i like to "destress" the edge especially when first sharpening a factory edge. It's been so long since I used a stone like this. like you mentioned in your sharpal video....diamond stones don't gunk up and they stay flat. Nowadays i use sandpaper and diamond stones.....
Sorry Drew, I've got a backlog and have to skip through videos quickly (plus ADHD... yay). I have tried but cannot do the back and forth motion - I end up twisting the edge and getting multiple angles.
I barely have time to make a video a week! 9-to-5 and other things keep me from watching tons of knife videos! I do have a video coming on technique though! 1st tip, don’t try back and forth, try sliding along the blade length and mimicking the edge curve. A cheap grocery store knife is perfect to practice on!
thats a rebranded suncraft kawashima. I do like em but like all knives it has it's compromises. the geometry is solid, about as good as you're going to get on a mass market knife. it's got a subtle convex grind but the bevel is blended into the migaki finish with the sandblasting for a fake kasumi look near the fake looking cladding line. considering the difference in abrasion resistance between the core and cladding, you'd expect to see some "topography" where they meet which is not present which is a red flag for monosteel. The handles are quite unique and light. I like the feel but they run smaller than average. The knife is actually well balanced for a pinch grip but it's not super light. a shun classic is noticably lighter for another factory knife with pakkawood handles. I do really like the look. That cladding is fairly soft and will scratch quite easily but that's normal, its just that scratches on a knife like this stand out. Anyway. I'm here for the stone. 400 and 600 chosera are excellent. in another class from something like a king 300.
Interesting. I’ve had as good, if not better, results from the King 300. It cuts faster, stays flat longer and is around 1/5 the price. While the deluxe line isn’t on the same level, and despite my feelings for the S-1 6000 grit, it’s not as good either. The 300 is easily one of my favorite stones ever. As for the knife, there is topography on this one that I can catch my fingernail on. I can’t speak to the rebrand that you mentioned, but the balance is nice, partly because of the half-tang that is similar to a Morakniv in the extent. The handle may look like pakkawood, but it’s an injection-molded polymer., or at least resembles it significantly under about 50x magnification. (CORRECTION: Messermeister advertises it as pakkawood and it would seem that Suncraft rebrands Messermeister after some research). Also, along the back of the spine, and the Spanish clip-point, it’s possible to see the slightly greater oxidation and darker shade of the core steel. All of those are not a true substitute for a metallurgical test, but it does suggest and support the idea that Messermeister honestly branded this knife. Thanks for watching and sharing your insights! 👍🏼🙏🏼🖖🏻 UPDATE: Suncraft makes the Kawashima line for themselves and Messermeister. Shiochi Kawashima is a descendant of Kohei Kawashima and this line of knives carry the family name for both Suncraft and Messermeister. Its place of manufacture is Seki City, Japan. Though Suncraft calls the entire line “Elegancia” instead of Kawashima. The SG2 and San-Mai construction are still seemingly true. The commenter is correct that Messermeister essentially “rebranded” this knife line. But the blades are made specifically for Messermeister and have different markings on the blade that is specific to Messermeister instead of Suncraft. I stand corrected on the rebranding issue. 👍🏼🙏🏼🖖🏻
Cutting speed: king 300, feel is RS 500, but it’s close for all 3. The thirst of the chosera 600 is its downfall for me. If it’s just 1 stone for repair and final edge, Rockstar 500. 2-stone setup, king 300 and RS1000 😎👍🏼🙏🏼🖖🏻
Thanks! I think Naniwa Pro/Chosera 600 grit can be used as stepping stone to a 2k/3k stone. The blue-dark color is really a minus, making it difficult to see burr formation visually. But Naniwa Gouken Arata 600 (JDM version of the thinner Naniwa Pro), has a brighter blue color and comes with a box like Shapton Pro/Kuromaku, really tempting!
@@olan5668 I really like the speed and feel on the Chosera, it’s why I took 3 years to replace it, but the water it takes is crazy. You can jump right to the 3000 from it just fine 😎👍🏼🙏🏼🖖🏻
@@adoseofdrew Have you tried SG 500? SG 500 has been praised as one of the best medium coarse stone on kitchen knife forums. I'm curious about comparing SG 500 and SR 500.
It’s nearly 6 years old and has sharpened at least 3-4 dozen knives. It never has lost its thirst. Having checked recent prices, the 600 is about half the price I paid for it around 5 or so years ago and is only about twice the price of a King 300.
@@adoseofdrew you can get the 15 mm version of chosera stones for between $40 to $60 directly from Amazon Japan. The 600 is usually around $40. As long as you have a prime membership, shipping, customs, tax, all that stuff is handled by Amazon for no charge. It's an especially good deal on the higher grits vs over priced American retailers, for instance sharpening supplies charges $250+ for a 30 mm version of the 10k, whereas the 15 mm version is $60 from Amazon Japan.
Awesome video. Alot of fun watching you sharpen.
Thanks! I know a lot of people like to just listen to the sharpening. I try to at least throw some information out while I’m doing it 😂👍🏼🙏🏼🖖🏻
i like to "destress" the edge especially when first sharpening a factory edge. It's been so long since I used a stone like this. like you mentioned in your sharpal video....diamond stones don't gunk up and they stay flat.
Nowadays i use sandpaper and diamond stones.....
Sorry Drew, I've got a backlog and have to skip through videos quickly (plus ADHD... yay). I have tried but cannot do the back and forth motion - I end up twisting the edge and getting multiple angles.
I barely have time to make a video a week! 9-to-5 and other things keep me from watching tons of knife videos!
I do have a video coming on technique though! 1st tip, don’t try back and forth, try sliding along the blade length and mimicking the edge curve. A cheap grocery store knife is perfect to practice on!
thats a rebranded suncraft kawashima. I do like em but like all knives it has it's compromises. the geometry is solid, about as good as you're going to get on a mass market knife. it's got a subtle convex grind but the bevel is blended into the migaki finish with the sandblasting for a fake kasumi look near the fake looking cladding line. considering the difference in abrasion resistance between the core and cladding, you'd expect to see some "topography" where they meet which is not present which is a red flag for monosteel. The handles are quite unique and light. I like the feel but they run smaller than average. The knife is actually well balanced for a pinch grip but it's not super light. a shun classic is noticably lighter for another factory knife with pakkawood handles. I do really like the look. That cladding is fairly soft and will scratch quite easily but that's normal, its just that scratches on a knife like this stand out. Anyway. I'm here for the stone. 400 and 600 chosera are excellent. in another class from something like a king 300.
Interesting. I’ve had as good, if not better, results from the King 300. It cuts faster, stays flat longer and is around 1/5 the price. While the deluxe line isn’t on the same level, and despite my feelings for the S-1 6000 grit, it’s not as good either. The 300 is easily one of my favorite stones ever.
As for the knife, there is topography on this one that I can catch my fingernail on. I can’t speak to the rebrand that you mentioned, but the balance is nice, partly because of the half-tang that is similar to a Morakniv in the extent. The handle may look like pakkawood, but it’s an injection-molded polymer., or at least resembles it significantly under about 50x magnification. (CORRECTION: Messermeister advertises it as pakkawood and it would seem that Suncraft rebrands Messermeister after some research).
Also, along the back of the spine, and the Spanish clip-point, it’s possible to see the slightly greater oxidation and darker shade of the core steel. All of those are not a true substitute for a metallurgical test, but it does suggest and support the idea that Messermeister honestly branded this knife.
Thanks for watching and sharing your insights! 👍🏼🙏🏼🖖🏻
UPDATE: Suncraft makes the Kawashima line for themselves and Messermeister. Shiochi Kawashima is a descendant of Kohei Kawashima and this line of knives carry the family name for both Suncraft and Messermeister. Its place of manufacture is Seki City, Japan. Though Suncraft calls the entire line “Elegancia” instead of Kawashima.
The SG2 and San-Mai construction are still seemingly true. The commenter is correct that Messermeister essentially “rebranded” this knife line. But the blades are made specifically for Messermeister and have different markings on the blade that is specific to Messermeister instead of Suncraft.
I stand corrected on the rebranding issue.
👍🏼🙏🏼🖖🏻
Which medium-coarse stone do you prefer (priority on cutting speed and feel)? Cho 600, RS 500, or King 300 (this one is a bargain!)
Cutting speed: king 300, feel is RS 500, but it’s close for all 3. The thirst of the chosera 600 is its downfall for me. If it’s just 1 stone for repair and final edge, Rockstar 500. 2-stone setup, king 300 and RS1000 😎👍🏼🙏🏼🖖🏻
Thanks! I think Naniwa Pro/Chosera 600 grit can be used as stepping stone to a 2k/3k stone. The blue-dark color is really a minus, making it difficult to see burr formation visually. But Naniwa Gouken Arata 600 (JDM version of the thinner Naniwa Pro), has a brighter blue color and comes with a box like Shapton Pro/Kuromaku, really tempting!
@@olan5668 I really like the speed and feel on the Chosera, it’s why I took 3 years to replace it, but the water it takes is crazy. You can jump right to the 3000 from it just fine 😎👍🏼🙏🏼🖖🏻
After using the Rockstar 500 more, I’m getting more and more impressed with its feedback and cutting speed. One of the best stones I’ve tried! 👍🏼🙏🏼🖖🏻
@@adoseofdrew Have you tried SG 500? SG 500 has been praised as one of the best medium coarse stone on kitchen knife forums. I'm curious about comparing SG 500 and SR 500.
that stone is only thirsty when it's new. that stone you're using looks brand new. try it again.
It’s nearly 6 years old and has sharpened at least 3-4 dozen knives. It never has lost its thirst.
Having checked recent prices, the 600 is about half the price I paid for it around 5 or so years ago and is only about twice the price of a King 300.
@@adoseofdrew you can get the 15 mm version of chosera stones for between $40 to $60 directly from Amazon Japan. The 600 is usually around $40. As long as you have a prime membership, shipping, customs, tax, all that stuff is handled by Amazon for no charge. It's an especially good deal on the higher grits vs over priced American retailers, for instance sharpening supplies charges $250+ for a 30 mm version of the 10k, whereas the 15 mm version is $60 from Amazon Japan.