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Thank you so much for this review. I was already interested in these libraries for some time, and your video made me try the Contrabassoon. It's fantastic! It loads into Kontakt 7 without any problems, and it has legato in 4 dynamic layers. The sound is not entirely dry, as you can hear early reflections of a small room. And the most important thing is that it has vibrato AND nonvibrato samples. So, no wobbly low Bb.
Thank you for the video Cory. Very informative! I've been aware of these for a while but, like you, I was unable to find much information about them which is why I ultimately never purchased them. I may have to seriously reconsider that now. Part of me is holding on to my wallet for CSW... but on the other hand, these do sound very tempting. That community patch seems especially useful, seems very playable and would reduce my track count immensely.
How much do you use the Westgate Woodwinds after Cinematic Studio Woodwinds came out? I don't have either, and I'm thinking about picking up the Westgate solo flutes and oboe.
I like these libraries. They're also lightweight. Don't forget to convert them to .ncw first! They work great with added reverb. Add altiverb to them and it's a phenomenal sound.
@@aleksandarstojceski3139 It's not necessary, it just makes them take up less storage space and slightly improves performance. No need to if you don't want to!
Such as? Name one without having the need of the Breath Controller or your Berlin Woodwinds Teldex Stage in your way.. I could only think one, Chris Hein Winds and even so. The only thing missing in the library are key switches. But they even made a re vamp add-on to make it easy on users who have libraries like this one. Link below th-cam.com/video/rztQfeD_mk4/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for reviewing Infinite Woodwinds. Too many plusses to count and Aaron goes way beyond the call of duty! Simply the best I have found for 20 years and will use it for all orchestral instruments. Puts the A$$ who started SWAM to shame (company offshoot is better than him).
@@CoryPelizzari I did also find one of the bundles available for the Kontakt instruments, but sadly it seems to only be the flutes! Still, better than nothing (just getting a flute SECTION alone without all the solos from VSL runs even more than the whole flutes bundle here).
This is the first I've heard of this library. Similar to VSL's Yamaha CFX solo piano, this collection sounds like it can handle the demands of a classically-oriented concert piece. Other libraries I've heard fall short of that.
Thank you for this video, a great diamond in the rough from those early libraries indeed. I hope you can eventually get in contact with Westgate Studios, I'm wondering how they achieved such well-done legato scripting almost 15 years ago.
Would love to see what you think of their other offerings as well at some point - French horn, timpani, orch/Celtic harp, and their non-orch woodwinds.
I recently got XSample Contemporary Solo Strings. Very good, one of (if not THE) best solo strings libs I own. Their woodwinds offering is both affordable and good sounding (judging from the demos). I am seriously considering getting them. If so, I may do a demo.
I bought the flute today from this recommendation and it works great -- better than most of the competition -- from the community patch! I will be acquiring more soon.
Stunning, I would get the clarinet package, simply because i have never heard of a contrabass clarinet. A clarinet Quartet writing project awaits the brave.
It seems like the collections are now available in Kontakt 2 format, which is great to see! Also, you've created your own patches for these instruments, right? Could you potentially share them with us in the follow-up video? Thank you for all of your reviews!
Well I can see that the Flute series is available in one collection for Kontakt for $99.95, but I can't see where anything else is....could you point me to where you saw this ? As for the patches, Cory didn't create them, the community did and he links to them and the forum in the video description.
It's about time I found a nice-sounding, affordable woodwind library that doesn't hog all my PC's hard drive space. SoundIron's woodwinds sound tacky as Hell, in comparison.
I think the main reason why these are unknown is that they came out after VSL had put out their big WW library and they were deep sampled with legatos and they were really great. So it made little sense to buy those because people into orc. library already had VSL WW. Plus a lot of new, better and exiting strings, brass, etc were coming out so it made more sense to buy those. I thought the company was dead until i found them on big fish a few weeks ago. Glad their still up but disappointed that the bundle are GS only. But one could buy those and translate to kontakt? Should work OK. Not sure about the leg script thou. Am i crazy enough to attempt this? I hope not...
You may want to ask around on VI Control about that. I think it's nuts that Big Fish don't just bundle the Kontakt libraries same as the Gigastudio versions. It's very anti-customer.
@@CoryPelizzari I was around when they came out and i think my previous explanation hold. It's just a matter of bad timing imo. I'm thinking they probably got stuck with these old giga DVD versions and want to get rid of them 1st. Also, i think I'm gonna go for their rare ww for sure at that price.
@@MustacheVerra I was considering this too...I often build my own patches out of most library's because often, the devs include so much scripting, reverbs and EQ's etc that a simple patch takes more CPU than an advanced synth. I often build my own patches and use 3rd party scripting to create decent sounding legato that uses very little CPU. Anyway, I was wondering that if the supplied samples are in wav format which I imagine they are for that period, then if they carry the same name as the Kontakt equivalent, for example 'Clarinet_solo_c3_mf', then surely if you obtain the community patches and just point it to the samples....all would be well ? Of course I'm just pondering but, I'm tempted to find out.
@@Grinder-one They should be wav files. I'd be shock if not. As for the rest i don't know. Maybe Cory could answer that? But i know some times these have really weird names... Good luck
@@MustacheVerra Yea, ignore the wierd name bit, I made it sound confusing. My point was, once you create the final samples, say in wav format, the dev surely is then going to use those samples for whatever format they distribute....they're not going to create new samples for gigastudio, they would just load the same ones in so on that reckoning, they should all be the same wav's with the same name. Anyway, I've bought the flute bundle and the Oboe so it'll have to wait but what was interesting is, all the flutes came as solo instruments for download so I'm wondering that if I buy the Clarinet bundle...will the case be the same...I'm also thinking of contacting BigFish directly and asking !
It's just another flavour. Realistic is a very loose term considering how a lot of libraries these days are totally convincing with the right composer.
Totally disagree that 8Dio woodwinds are a good option. They have expression baked in so they are a one-trick pony. Further, there's hardly a note longer than 9 seconds in them. Nearly useless, in fact.
Thank you so much for this review. I was already interested in these libraries for some time, and your video made me try the Contrabassoon. It's fantastic! It loads into Kontakt 7 without any problems, and it has legato in 4 dynamic layers. The sound is not entirely dry, as you can hear early reflections of a small room. And the most important thing is that it has vibrato AND nonvibrato samples. So, no wobbly low Bb.
Thank you for the video Cory. Very informative! I've been aware of these for a while but, like you, I was unable to find much information about them which is why I ultimately never purchased them. I may have to seriously reconsider that now. Part of me is holding on to my wallet for CSW... but on the other hand, these do sound very tempting. That community patch seems especially useful, seems very playable and would reduce my track count immensely.
thank you for this review. I like your demo at the end.
I can't belive I have never heard of this library before, sounds great! And it's an old library! Absolutely a lost hidden gem!
Agree
How much do you use the Westgate Woodwinds after Cinematic Studio Woodwinds came out? I don't have either, and I'm thinking about picking up the Westgate solo flutes and oboe.
I like these libraries. They're also lightweight. Don't forget to convert them to .ncw first!
They work great with added reverb. Add altiverb to them and it's a phenomenal sound.
Hi why convert them to .ncw? Is this a must?
@@aleksandarstojceski3139 It's not necessary, it just makes them take up less storage space and slightly improves performance. No need to if you don't want to!
Thanks Cory for the amazing review
Are they capable for agile passage ( e.g. John Williams style flourishing runs etc )
Thank you !
Definitely.
Hi, just bought the oboe but the modwheel or expression does not work...the transitions are great but without dynamics it's useless...any help?
The modded patches are at the link in the description.
The woodwinds from Sonuscore The Orchestra is very very good, I use it a lot and can compare to this video, but 8Dio just excellent too
Bought these years ago... "dated" is the term I think of. Too many better options in 2020 now. Never use these any more (or VSL).
If you think older is worse, then yeah, Westgate Woodwinds is terrible. Especially its perfect legato transitions.
@@CoryPelizzari No I use lot's of older samples. These are just not holding up to what is available now IMHO. Great for 2005 though.
Could you recommend me any new libraries? Thank you.
Such as? Name one without having the need of the Breath Controller or your Berlin Woodwinds Teldex Stage in your way.. I could only think one, Chris Hein Winds and even so. The only thing missing in the library are key switches. But they even made a re vamp add-on to make it easy on users who have libraries like this one. Link below
th-cam.com/video/rztQfeD_mk4/w-d-xo.html
@@scottglasgowmusic with the new scripts, I'd say these hold up against any library
Thanks for reviewing Infinite Woodwinds. Too many plusses to count and Aaron goes way beyond the call of duty! Simply the best I have found for 20 years and will use it for all orchestral instruments. Puts the A$$ who started SWAM to shame (company offshoot is better than him).
IW is really nice, can't wait for the next update with the same IR/placement as IB.
Excuse me, the HELL? These are 2006?! How does a mid-aughts lib handle those runs so well?!
That's what impressed me so much. The non-phase consistent legatos are insane.
@@CoryPelizzari I did also find one of the bundles available for the Kontakt instruments, but sadly it seems to only be the flutes! Still, better than nothing (just getting a flute SECTION alone without all the solos from VSL runs even more than the whole flutes bundle here).
This is the first I've heard of this library. Similar to VSL's Yamaha CFX solo piano, this collection sounds like it can handle the demands of a classically-oriented concert piece. Other libraries I've heard fall short of that.
Thank you for this video, a great diamond in the rough from those early libraries indeed. I hope you can eventually get in contact with Westgate Studios, I'm wondering how they achieved such well-done legato scripting almost 15 years ago.
never heard of this before and I wonder why... they sound amazing
Would love to see what you think of their other offerings as well at some point - French horn, timpani, orch/Celtic harp, and their non-orch woodwinds.
Great review, putting Westgate in the spotlight. Their libraries sound amazing.
Hey Cory, great job here, thanks! In the same spirit, please consider reviewing the XSample stuff...
I recently got XSample Contemporary Solo Strings. Very good, one of (if not THE) best solo strings libs I own. Their woodwinds offering is both affordable and good sounding (judging from the demos). I am seriously considering getting them. If so, I may do a demo.
I bought the flute today from this recommendation and it works great -- better than most of the competition -- from the community patch! I will be acquiring more soon.
interesting thanks
As always love how musical your reviews are
Impressive, thanks for sharing!
Patrik! :D
@@ShamStalin You found me!
Great as usual!
Stunning, I would get the clarinet package, simply because i have never heard of a contrabass clarinet. A clarinet Quartet writing project awaits the brave.
Those custom patches are an X-factor... but Big Fish Audio is lame... Too bad the developers are nowhere to be seen.
hmm the oboe sounds wrong.. too nasal... and the vib version is sounding fake/synthethic.
The separate instruments could be a great add on for anyone who bought BBC Symphony core i.e the bass Clarinet.
Is there a part two?
It seems like the collections are now available in Kontakt 2 format, which is great to see! Also, you've created your own patches for these instruments, right? Could you potentially share them with us in the follow-up video? Thank you for all of your reviews!
Well I can see that the Flute series is available in one collection for Kontakt for $99.95, but I can't see where anything else is....could you point me to where you saw this ?
As for the patches, Cory didn't create them, the community did and he links to them and the forum in the video description.
SWAM do great woodwinds too. The oboe sounds a tad "trumpety" to me though
Yeah those aren't real sampled instruments so you get the odd anomalies.
It's about time I found a nice-sounding, affordable woodwind library that doesn't hog all my PC's hard drive space. SoundIron's woodwinds sound tacky as Hell, in comparison.
I won't disagree with you there.
@@CoryPelizzari Am I the only guy who still loves this library and is waiting for Part II of your review? :D
I think the main reason why these are unknown is that they came out after VSL had put out their big WW library and they were deep sampled with legatos and they were really great. So it made little sense to buy those because people into orc. library already had VSL WW. Plus a lot of new, better and exiting strings, brass, etc were coming out so it made more sense to buy those. I thought the company was dead until i found them on big fish a few weeks ago. Glad their still up but disappointed that the bundle are GS only. But one could buy those and translate to kontakt? Should work OK. Not sure about the leg script thou. Am i crazy enough to attempt this? I hope not...
You may want to ask around on VI Control about that. I think it's nuts that Big Fish don't just bundle the Kontakt libraries same as the Gigastudio versions. It's very anti-customer.
@@CoryPelizzari I was around when they came out and i think my previous explanation hold. It's just a matter of bad timing imo. I'm thinking they probably got stuck with these old giga DVD versions and want to get rid of them 1st. Also, i think I'm gonna go for their rare ww for sure at that price.
@@MustacheVerra I was considering this too...I often build my own patches out of most library's because often, the devs include so much scripting, reverbs and EQ's etc that a simple patch takes more CPU than an advanced synth. I often build my own patches and use 3rd party scripting to create decent sounding legato that uses very little CPU.
Anyway, I was wondering that if the supplied samples are in wav format which I imagine they are for that period, then if they carry the same name as the Kontakt equivalent, for example 'Clarinet_solo_c3_mf', then surely if you obtain the community patches and just point it to the samples....all would be well ?
Of course I'm just pondering but, I'm tempted to find out.
@@Grinder-one They should be wav files. I'd be shock if not. As for the rest i don't know. Maybe Cory could answer that? But i know some times these have really weird names... Good luck
@@MustacheVerra Yea, ignore the wierd name bit, I made it sound confusing. My point was, once you create the final samples, say in wav format, the dev surely is then going to use those samples for whatever format they distribute....they're not going to create new samples for gigastudio, they would just load the same ones in so on that reckoning, they should all be the same wav's with the same name.
Anyway, I've bought the flute bundle and the Oboe so it'll have to wait but what was interesting is, all the flutes came as solo instruments for download so I'm wondering that if I buy the Clarinet bundle...will the case be the same...I'm also thinking of contacting BigFish directly and asking !
8dio Woodwinds are still one of the best imho. Still not perfect but have the most realistic sound of all the available woodwind plugins right now.
It's just another flavour. Realistic is a very loose term considering how a lot of libraries these days are totally convincing with the right composer.
Totally disagree that 8Dio woodwinds are a good option. They have expression baked in so they are a one-trick pony. Further, there's hardly a note longer than 9 seconds in them. Nearly useless, in fact.
@@CoryPelizzari Exactly. Jeremy Soule created the beautiful music of Skyrim using mostly the factory library.
@@Grinder-one Wait, do you have a source for this? I'd like to read more