The young folks featured in this documentary are now in their 60s and 70s. It would be fascinating to see them today and discover what life has been like for them over the past 40 years. 1979 seems all so long ago now and the world really has changed dramatically. These folks were trailblazers. The 1979 Pride is like a Sunday School outing! Only 1 drag queen spotted, no hot pants anywhere and not a whistle to be heard! Amazing to think that this was during the high point of the Disco craze ans We Are Family was in the charts at the time. A real time capsule
I was there that year and remember singing and dancing to Kokomo playing the Sister Sledge song 'We Are Family.' Tom Robinson was, I think the first charted performer, and the only one for some time to perform onstage at the end of the march. It felt like it took ages for any other famous performers to appear, let alone 'out' ones. I think I started going to Pride Marches in about 1976. I know one year there were hailstones bouncing off the road as we marched. Not many of us that year. At the time I lived in Chester and our local CHE group organised a coach to travel to London for the day. It's interesting for me to see this film. I thought the march was huge but when you see the crowd from the stage there weren't that many of us. We used to have speakers before the music. Interesting how posh most of the interviewees sound. ITowards the end it was a relief to finally hear someone with a proper scouse accent! Thank you for sharing it. Lovely memories.
I appear clapping just a few seconds in - black leather jacket, black hair! Took my 9 year-old daughter who insisted on coming too and she is also seen dancing with a couple of my friends - it was a wonderful day!
"When did you decide to be gay?" I cringed. Despite that this documentry was quite progressive for its time. It was also good to see some scousers in there being I'm a scouser myself I've always wondered what it was like during the 70's/80's in Liverpool for gay people since most documentaries focus soley on London (for obvious reasons) so I'm glad to hear their opinions and thoughts.
7:18 "How long ago was it that you decided you were gay? How young were you?" or "How young were you when you decided to be attracted to the opposite sex and not your own sex?"
Anybody know where the cute young guy Shawn being interviewed on the coach is now and what he looks like now ??I'm in love ! lol. I was only born in 1979 !
As a gay person, be aware of a form of violational bullying that can occur in a predominantly heterosexual environment ; women may try to humiliate a (gay) male about 'inability of performance' with members of the opposite sex (play 'psychological rape' games) - or infer that a (gay) male is making 'unwanted advances' at them. Other ploys may include verbally quashing use of modern terminology like 'homophobia'.
Very interesting these World in Action doc's. Have to say tho Pride has got a little outta hand, don't take your kids. It's now v def an 18 and over affair. Guys in just thongs dancing in the street, women in less than thongs. It's got a bit mad tbh.
Mad Biker 3020 About 49 secs in dancing with black guy with cap on. It's such a short bit it's hardly worth mentioning. I'm really not proud of it. I seem to have a Hitler moustache and look sort of spaced out - I would have been very pissed though.
I think you will find that Peter Tatchell wanted a universal AOC of 14 for all sexual orientations, with a proviso af a limited age-difference between the two partners. That is quite different from what you are implying.
I am not quite sure what 'Gay Pride' implies here. On a personal basis I think ages of consent (for everything - AOC is not just about that Very Important subject S-E-X) should be dumped. The only thing AOC does is give smart lawyers in Courts something with which to bamboozle juries. It certianly does not protect the young, especially not the very young. Every case should be judged on its merits (or lack of same). And probably tried by tribunals. I've neverr understood why one judge is supposed to be an expert in business law one day and civil (divorce etc) law the next, and the criminal law the day after that.
And by the looks of it a good time was had by all ;) However,I feel that this is all very tame by today's standards as the Gay Pride parades are much larger now plus the participants costumes are usually far more,''revealing'',and I've even seen people who are nude apart from a few strategically placed daubs of paint or sequins etc. I think most people in Europe and north America accept the gay communities and it seems that less violence has been directed at them over recent years. The only real objections to the gay communities are usually from Christian religious groups with the Muslims being the most vociferous and violent towards gay communities. I recently watched a documentary on the Gay Pride parade in Amsterdam and many of the participants had experienced attacks from Moroccan and other Muslim immigrants in the Netherlands. Yes,the gay people are more accepted nowadays but in many areas it still has a long way to go for further acceptance.......
Indeed it was very different. There was a lot more anger at the severe oppression that was still going on. The clothing? Well it was about as outrageous as could be got away with, in those days, without getting arrested.
Agreed that the situation on the street is still very dangerous... I was meaning more that the nature of the Pride event has become very different. At least we have progressed to the stage where homophobic attacks can be reported to the police and they will take some action. In the 1970's many of those attacks were carried out by the police themselves.
Things have gone too far the other way now, you're made to feel you should be ashamed of yourself for being a Jehovah's Witness now because they teach that homosexual relations are wrong.
No=one is saying you should feel ashamed for being a JW. However what should inspire a sense of shame is teaching young children, and others, complete untruths about gay people.
And just what is an abomination in biblical terms? It is something that transgresses the laws and customs of the ancient Jewish tribes. Are you a mamber of one of those tribes? If so you should not be cutting your hair, shaving, wearing clothes made of mixed fibres etc. etc. so why do you not obey ALL the rules in the bible- not just the ones that support your own personal prejudices. Also I have seen women preaching on behalf of the JWs... this is clearly prohibited they should stay at home and ask their husband for guidance.
Yes, you're right, homosexuality was prohibited under Jewish law, as were many other practices, such as eating pork, shellfish, etc. But the old Jewish laws were cancelled out by Jesus' death. It was the apostle Paul who, under divine inspiration, made it quite to clear to Christians that homosexuality was forbidden, in the Christian Greek scriptures.
Jesus, in his own words quoted in Matthew 5:17 said that he came to fulfil the laws of the prophets but went on to say that he was to ADD to them. in Matthew 5:18 . Luke 16:17 states that ALL the old laws should be obeyed. John 7:19 castigates those who break the old laws.These laws of course also say you should have slaves gathered from amongst the gentiles. These are laws that you should keep according to the words of Jesus, along with all the other stuff we have mentioned. So again I state that you are just cherry-picking the bits you want. As you are following the words of Paul so closely maybe you should call yourselves Paulians. ;-) I'm away for the weekend now but anything else you would like to say we can discuss upon my return.
The young folks featured in this documentary are now in their 60s and 70s. It would be fascinating to see them today and discover what life has been like for them over the past 40 years. 1979 seems all so long ago now and the world really has changed dramatically. These folks were trailblazers. The 1979 Pride is like a Sunday School outing! Only 1 drag queen spotted, no hot pants anywhere and not a whistle to be heard! Amazing to think that this was during the high point of the Disco craze ans We Are Family was in the charts at the time. A real time capsule
Thanks for putting this up. It's a brilliant piece of social history.
I was there that year and remember singing and dancing to Kokomo playing the Sister Sledge song 'We Are Family.' Tom Robinson was, I think the first charted performer, and the only one for some time to perform onstage at the end of the march. It felt like it took ages for any other famous performers to appear, let alone 'out' ones. I think I started going to Pride Marches in about 1976. I know one year there were hailstones bouncing off the road as we marched. Not many of us that year. At the time I lived in Chester and our local CHE group organised a coach to travel to London for the day. It's interesting for me to see this film. I thought the march was huge but when you see the crowd from the stage there weren't that many of us. We used to have speakers before the music. Interesting how posh most of the interviewees sound. ITowards the end it was a relief to finally hear someone with a proper scouse accent! Thank you for sharing it. Lovely memories.
Very brave young men and women - they should be given a medal !
I was there,not brave just pissed off
I appear clapping just a few seconds in - black leather jacket, black hair! Took my 9 year-old daughter who insisted on coming too and she is also seen dancing with a couple of my friends - it was a wonderful day!
I'm glad it brought back happy memories.
@@MadBiker-vj5qj Hope you're ok - I am on Facebook... :)
'Queers don't shop in Sainsburys' Sounds like a 1970's Sainsburys ad campaign xD
"When did you decide to be gay?" I cringed.
Despite that this documentry was quite progressive for its time.
It was also good to see some scousers in there being I'm a scouser myself I've always wondered what it was like during the 70's/80's in Liverpool for gay people since most documentaries focus soley on London (for obvious reasons) so I'm glad to hear their opinions and thoughts.
Probably knew their sexuality in their teenage years like everyone else
As already said a great piece of social history and viewpoints of those taking parts is food for thought even in todays world
I visited London and Brighton in 1988. I feel LGBTQ rights are more visible worldwide.
Awsome generation,
Funky soulful performance at 14:29! What's the band, or the name of the songstress?
cado belle
7:18 "How long ago was it that you decided you were gay? How young were you?" or "How young were you when you decided to be attracted to the opposite sex and not your own sex?"
Thanks for sharing.
Anybody know where the cute young guy Shawn being interviewed on the coach is now and what he looks like now ??I'm in love ! lol. I was only born in 1979 !
Jonathan
As a gay person, be aware of a form of violational bullying that can occur in a predominantly heterosexual environment ; women may try to humiliate a (gay) male about 'inability of performance' with members of the opposite sex (play 'psychological rape' games) - or infer that a (gay) male is making 'unwanted advances' at them. Other ploys may include verbally quashing use of modern terminology like 'homophobia'.
Very interesting these World in Action doc's. Have to say tho Pride has got a little outta hand, don't take your kids. It's now v def an 18 and over affair. Guys in just thongs dancing in the street, women in less than thongs. It's got a bit mad tbh.
Bit embarrassing seeing oneself dancing 37 years later.
+Robert Robinson
What is the timecode where we can see you? ;-)
Mad Biker 3020
About 49 secs in dancing with black guy with cap on. It's such a short bit it's hardly worth mentioning. I'm really not proud of it. I seem to have a Hitler moustache and look sort of spaced out - I would have been very pissed though.
*****
I knew him as Snowy and he was just a friend. Not seen him since around the same time. I hope he's well and thriving.
+Robert Robinson i c u!
Anybody know what the lovely Shawn, 19 on the coach looks like now ? Anybody know/ knew him ? I love the way he puts his experience into words......
No Stock Aitken and Waterman in them days.
There were some benefits to living in the 70's then. ;-)
1:48 and Peter Tatchell wanted it lowered to fourteen. How did Gay Pride feel about that?
I think you will find that Peter Tatchell wanted a universal AOC of 14 for all sexual orientations, with a proviso af a limited age-difference between the two partners.
That is quite different from what you are implying.
I am not quite sure what 'Gay Pride' implies here. On a personal basis I think ages of consent (for everything - AOC is not just about that Very Important subject S-E-X) should be dumped. The only thing AOC does is give smart lawyers in Courts something with which to bamboozle juries. It certianly does not protect the young, especially not the very young. Every case should be judged on its merits (or lack of same). And probably tried by tribunals. I've neverr understood why one judge is supposed to be an expert in business law one day and civil (divorce etc) law the next, and the criminal law the day after that.
Just love the way the presenter says, ‘homosexual’. Homma sex yuell. 🌈😃❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
tx: 2 July 1979
Minute 17:00 ...Robin Gibbs?????
The australian guy destroying the nuclear family...do it....
It sounds like he's saying "haamaasexsuales'.
KOKOMO!!!
And by the looks of it a good time was had by all ;) However,I feel that this is all very tame by today's standards as the Gay Pride parades are much larger now plus the participants costumes are usually far more,''revealing'',and I've even seen people who are nude apart from a few strategically placed daubs of paint or sequins etc. I think most people in Europe and north America accept the gay communities and it seems that less violence has been directed at them over recent years. The only real objections to the gay communities are usually from Christian religious groups with the Muslims being the most vociferous and violent towards gay communities. I recently watched a documentary on the Gay Pride parade in Amsterdam and many of the participants had experienced attacks from Moroccan and other Muslim immigrants in the Netherlands. Yes,the gay people are more accepted nowadays but in many areas it still has a long way to go for further acceptance.......
Indeed it was very different. There was a lot more anger at the severe oppression that was still going on. The clothing? Well it was about as outrageous as could be got away with, in those days, without getting arrested.
Agreed that the situation on the street is still very dangerous... I was meaning more that the nature of the Pride event has become very different.
At least we have progressed to the stage where homophobic attacks can be reported to the police and they will take some action. In the 1970's many of those attacks were carried out by the police themselves.
Things have gone too far the other way now, you're made to feel you should be ashamed of yourself for being a Jehovah's Witness now because they teach that homosexual relations are wrong.
No=one is saying you should feel ashamed for being a JW. However what should inspire a sense of shame is teaching young children, and others, complete untruths about gay people.
And just what is an abomination in biblical terms? It is something that transgresses the laws and customs of the ancient Jewish tribes. Are you a mamber of one of those tribes? If so you should not be cutting your hair, shaving, wearing clothes made of mixed fibres etc. etc. so why do you not obey ALL the rules in the bible- not just the ones that support your own personal prejudices. Also I have seen women preaching on behalf of the JWs... this is clearly prohibited they should stay at home and ask their husband for guidance.
Yes, you're right, homosexuality was prohibited under Jewish law, as were many other practices, such as eating pork, shellfish, etc. But the old Jewish laws were cancelled out by Jesus' death. It was the apostle Paul who, under divine inspiration, made it quite to clear to Christians that homosexuality was forbidden, in the Christian Greek scriptures.
Jesus, in his own words quoted in Matthew 5:17 said that he came to fulfil the laws of the prophets but went on to say that he was to ADD to them. in Matthew 5:18 .
Luke 16:17 states that ALL the old laws should be obeyed. John 7:19 castigates those who break the old laws.These laws of course also say you should have slaves gathered from amongst the gentiles. These are laws that you should keep according to the words of Jesus, along with all the other stuff we have mentioned. So again I state that you are just cherry-picking the bits you want.
As you are following the words of Paul so closely maybe you should call yourselves Paulians. ;-)
I'm away for the weekend now but anything else you would like to say we can discuss upon my return.
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Lol