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@@madsrosenfeldt8573you cannot plan anything with a cheap electric EV with these distances. Moreover, as Norwegian citizens are richer that most(thanks to the Nord see gas) well they can afford expensive EVS.
@@geirvinje2556 Norway has well over $1 trillion in money saved up from North Sea oil. You cannot use Norway as an example of how other countries should operate. Drive to Finland and see how your range anxiety is doing.
What 2 different systems? The ICE car has an engine, starter battery, engine starter, alternator, and transmission. The PHEV has an engine, then two e-motors that act as engine starter, alternator, AND these 2 motors ALSO function as the TRANSMISSION as well, in fact a very reliable transmission, far more reliable than the multi-gear-shift transmission, and of course the battery pack. So, the PHEV does NOT have any extra part that an ICE car. doen't have. In fact, the HEV and PHEV are simpler than a regular gas car and have fewer parts. They don't have failure-prone engine starter, alternator, and serpentine belts, and the brakes pads last for the life of the car due to regenerative braking.
BYD PHEVs are EVs with electric motors and a small ICE range extender that works as a generator. That is totally different to western and japanese PHEVs....
There are some Japanese PHEVs have a small ICE and a larger battery (but still smaller than BYD's), such as Honda's CR-V PHEV and Accord PHEV. However, these Japanese PHEVs are not from scratch, but are modifications of the ICEV. In the Accord PHEV, for example, the battery has been placed in the boot behind the rear seat, creating "a step (of a staircase)" in the boot.
My sister wanted to buy an EV but there were no chargers near her apartment (we tried looking w/ in a 5 block radius in NYC). She spoke w/ her condo association & they have NO PLANS to install chargers in her parking garage either. She finally decided on a Hybrid.
That's reasonable. I can't blame your sister. I'd go a similar route if I was unable to have home charging. I've commented that condos and apartments unwilling or unable to add chargers will be the limiting factor.
Even forty years ago, we said cars lose 20% of their value as they leave the forecourt. The secret is to buy secondhand and keep until they are dead. That will be a 100% loss but still the best economic outcome.
I agree, i just returned from china 2 of the leading makers i toured, are really making serious progress. Quality,speed to.market we here in n.a. are saddled with to much legacy and cultural redundancy we are going to get hurt if we dont understand the car is a commodity now. Anyone can build them We have our blinders on ,major shift coming
@timothykeith1367 nothing is a fits all , we run 2 evs at the house my daughter drives 30 mi ea way to college daily loves it Wife about 60 mi day running g around and both charge at home and like it alot We have f250 dsl and other cars but really they sit 90% time
I bought my hybrid 7 years ago. I love it. Uses half the gas of a conventional gas engine. Still works like a charm. Not sure if my next car with be an EV or hybrid.
If someone is using the logic/philosophy you present at about 4:50 in this video then they would never buy a new car (regardless of powertrain) because there's always something new coming along in the near future. You are espousing a comment made by a Nissan executive, but look where Nissan is as a company these days. China captures market through heavily subsidizing target industries, but what would happen if those subsidies disappeared and Chinese companies had to compete on the world market?
After establishing a dominate foothold, I think the end of Chinese government EV subsidies will have proven to serve their purpose. Just as the Chinees commercial airplanes business will. Certainly Airbus can attest to the success of subsidies.
So called mild hybrids or self charging are just a way of keeping ICE going for 5 years longer, here in the UK. OK they do give a few extra MPG, but manufacturers will build in the smallest battery possible to enable it to be called a hybrid and avoid the ban.
@@jay-em If that comment is correct and Toyota have the best Engineers in the WOLD then why in 2026 will all Toyota's Hybrids will be supplied and running BYD's Hybrid power trains , Toyota will definitely nail the Technology in 2026.
Hey Sam. You're misusing Moore's Law. His law says that computer power will double each 18 months or so because of the number of transistors that can fit on a chip keeps increasing. He also noted that the price will stay about the same. It had nothing to do with costs coming down because of the number of units being built.
A car's design R&D cost could be easily in the billions. A billion divided by 1 million cars sold is far less than a billion divided by 10,000 sold, No? Average cost per car goes down with each extra car sold.
He really should read some comments. Yesterday he was saying electric in the UK was basically free. It's the highest priced in the world. I think he relies too much on press releases and the odd story that supports his narrative. Hybrids are extremely dangerous!!!!!???? Why because they have a fuel tank? And a battery like 100% of ICE cars? I have been watching his videos for a while and after yesterday and now today there is no point. He has only one view ignores others and bypasses inconvenient truths.
Losing the EV competition know is akin to lose air supremacy in a war. Once it is lost, it can't be recovered unless the other party becomes extremely complacent and incompetent, as it takes a long time to build new planes or build up better EV tech.
Nissan's problems are due to wasting a lot of money on the Leaf BEV that didn't sell well, and a lot of money on belt CVTs that are very crappy. If Nissan has focused on Hybrids without making those two crappy things like BEV and CVT, then Nissan would still be doing very well today.
@@triv7252 The "loose" are my mistake, and I'm about to fix them in the post. I'm not sure why you said this so aggressively, but well. What about speaking about the actual subject, though? By the way, I'm French. May your French be less flawed than my English. Also, English spelling (and also French spelling) is at worst stupid, at best random. I try not to waste to much time on it.
@@trungson6604 I've no idea what a CVT is but the leaf was the best thing Nissan did. The waste only occurred because they did not sustained their investment. Then, they fought and against before betraying Carlos Ghosn, who was their best hope to survive the transition. If they had done that, they would have the best EV tech and cars among the legacy OEM today, able to compete fairly with the Chinese and possibly better than Kia/Hyundai. They would also likely be the only one to sell EVs profitably, alongside Renault and Mitsubishi, I suppose. Hybrids are a fad and a scam, as people will soon come to realize, maybe this year or the next.
I can't see the point in mild hybrids, they're just a tick in the box to say a car is "hybrid". Hybrids are OK, but the batteries are relatively small, so the benefit isn't great. Plugin hybrids with a reasonable 10kwh+ battery is definitely the way to go. The latest PHEVs have 20kwh batteries and cover 99% of your journeys with the safety net of petrol to cover longer distances.
@@TuonoV4F When the first iPhone launched, Nokia had 70% of the global cell phone market. But they just kept messing around, ignoring the imminent threat.
@@d33763 - investors like money. Toyota world made $300 billion in 2024, BYD made $82 billion mostly limited to China. I know where I want to invest my money.
Good hybrid cars have been around for a quarter century and yet consumers didn't want them, said all kinds of nasty things about them. It's only now that EVs are making progress those same people are now wanting 25 year old technology.
@@mikewallace8087 I'm old enough to remember the trash talk, it's going to cost more to maintain, complex, more to go wrong, more weight, not enough power, fire risk, there were a lot. Just having stop/start on my 2015 Malibu cost me $1200 to replace starter and second battery. There went all my gas savings.
From Canada.we need charging infrastructure and a cost effective product ,we drive long distances and our cold weather is not conducive to getting a reasonable battery range.My new 2024 Lexus ES300h hybrid provides a luxury ride with 5L/100km usage and price was reasonable.It uses half to a third the amount of gas my previous vehicles used.ex Lexus LS or Toyota Sequoia.No plug in is needed.The technology is based on Prius which has had a good history for longevity eh.Love your channel even for an 84 yr old Dutchman. Thanks for all you do
It's a stopgap solution until the EV charging becomes mainstream. If you have EV charging stations near your residence and workplace, it makes little sense to still be on PHEVs.
What happens when more EVs hit the road then there is no need for all the gas stations and they can't make a profit well most will close down like they have in Norway and then the gas stations start putting their prices up to make a profit because their sales have gone down well good LUCK with that GREAT OPTION. Well don't believe me, well make a note of this as TIME will TELL
@neilellison8984 Norway is totally different,even 30-40 years ago was different. Most countries burning something to make electricity ,Germans even coal, Ireland where wind is plenty half production is still natural gas. Was counted using electricity from fossil fuel equal to 40-50mpg ,evs are not that efficient , electricity transport isn't efficient and cars heavy. If petrol production stays same ,will be cheaper because low demand. Battery swap could fix this problem not no manufacturer want to go that way other than couple of Chinese. Even byd marking hybrids not developing easy eg. part battery swap
@@8peterp Electric vehicles (EVs) are more efficient than internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, converting more of the energy they use into motion: Energy conversion: EVs convert over 77% of the energy from the grid into power at the wheels, while ICEs only convert 12-30% of the energy from gasoline. Energy consumption: EVs consume less energy than ICEs, especially in stop-and-start traffic. Efficiency in different driving conditions: EVs are more efficient than ICEs in all driving conditions, except on motorways where ICEs improve their efficiency. Energy loss: ICEs lose around 60% of their energy to heat and friction. Electricity costs: EVs have lower electricity costs than ICEs have for fuel. EVs also have other advantages over ICEs, including: Design: EVs have a simpler, more compact design with fewer moving parts and a less complex transmission. Maintenance: EVs have lower maintenance costs due to their simple battery-electric motor systems. Reliability: EVs are more reliable than ICEs. Responsiveness: EVs are more responsive than ICEs. Digital integration: EVs are better suited for digital integration than ICEs.
Can you provide some evidence of that? Because I don't know of any maintenance issues with Toyota PHEV's around here. Totally reliable, as most Toyotas are.
@@ChickensAndGardening If you look at plug in hybrids they have by far the highest numbers of issues where you have to take the car in for repair. You can look at numbers globally or from specific areas doesn't really matter. And it's pretty obvious when you have 2 separate systems that they will combine issues with both and then add some. For example one rarer issue that comes from how people try to use plug in hybrids by not running the gas motor is the motor rusts and has to be replaced.
@@JDMSwervo2001 No. Plug in hybrids have by far the most issues out of all car types. So it's actually not less if you have any idea about the statistics involved. Now internal battery hybrids I don't know where those fall on the spectrum. But plug in hybrids have the most faults far beyond what normal gas cars have.
@ maybe where you live but here in the U.S. the only automakers who make plug in hybrids are Toyota Hyundai/kia and Mitsubishi and there’s no reported issues with them. Maybe those junky carmakers in your country are putting out bad products
I bought a Chevy Volt plug in hybrid 5 years ago. I chose it specifically because I wanted the cost savings of the electric, which calculates to 100 mpg comparing prices of electric to gas, and because I live in a very rural area, where there was no external charging station within an hour of my home. In that time, I have been very happy with it. It has been the best car I've ever owned, and the savings is quite good.
Hybrid is a fraud in steroids. You pay $10-15k more in price. This will “NEVER EVER BE RECOUPED “ in petrol/ gas savings for the entire life of the car. Then the same service cost, same spare parts etc as same as a normal combustion engine car. So what’s deal ? Just feel good. And really bad for your pocket
I was a bit nervous about range so I looked into buying the Volvo xc90 hybrid used. What I soon discovered the trade off was the earlier models fuel tank was 20 litres smaller, and the second hand price of the hybrid was £10k ($13.6k) more expensive for the gain of a 20mile range battery. So passed on that one.
I notice that GM, Ford, VW have all cut production and closed factories. How can they survive by selling less cars for more money? Who can afford $150k for a 2028 F-150 base model?
"Who can afford ..." The top 10% to 30% of car buyers obviously. It has been this way for years. Also for years car companies have been have been pushing "features" (gimmicks) that you just have to have because the car companies make more profit from then. Consider that 40% of US workers make under $20 an hour, and 33% make under $15 an hour! No new vehicle is realistically affordable for these people.
Surely hybrid’s are, or soon will be, more expensive to manufacture than BEVs. Therefore they can’t be price competitive. And so you can’t imagine them being popular in the future.
If you look at the parts count in the current Honda Civic hybrid in the UK and European market, it's massive. The car is no longer a cheap, reliable hatchback but an expensive, fiendishly complicated one moving between 4 different power modes. An all electric car will be much cheaper and simpler to make with falling battery costs.
My Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is 4,5 years old. Charging cheaply at night gives us about 40 km on electricity. And when that is out the drivetrain delivers about 15 km / liter gas. Not bad for a 2 tons car. I would like to go fully electric, but our present car simply works well, since we mostly have short trips around. When it is worn out in about 5 years, I guess, I would probably go with the XPeng g6 or such like. At that time there will be many good and cheap BEV's to choose from.
@ Yes, I think it is really good. And with the regeneration it actually runs on electricity about 60% of the time after the original 40 km on the nightly charge is used up. Which makes for a very quiet and comfortable automatic car. The engine does not say much, and you don't notice the shift from electricity to the engine, as the engine makes the electricity which drives the car.
@ Yes, but our present car has only driven 31.000 km in those 4+ years. And as most of our driving is local, it is on electricity. So apart from longer trips it works like a bev.
I love your content but I really think you have the wrong name for moores law. Moore's law is about the ability of semiconductor manufacturers to double transistor density. You're thinking of the Economy of Scale
@@pauld3327 it may not be at the same rate as microprocessors but battery technology is also improving ata a high rate. Maybe call it Vikings law, but it is analogous.
I don't think relay on any Chinese auto is a very clever. 400 auto makers with 2 making profits is a good recepy for bobbels, and after the real estate bobble blow, how good will they handle the banks. Economies are living complex systems with a lot of interdependence. Highly risky.
Hybrids and spreading EV myths are legacy autos attempt to keep their combustion engine assembly lines going. Glad this guy is brave enough to tell the truth.
@@kristofvoros6120Even if people didn't know that detail, I am sure that everyone else is interested to know what the market trends are from a director that drove a prosperous company like Nissan into bankruptcy in only 6 years. Mind you, when Ghosn was in charge of strategy, Renault and Nissan managed to reach second place in volume sales world wide and profit records just before his arrest.
@SurlyHick Would you really expect different from an former marketing guy with an education in art? Sam aka Electric Viking know how to sell stuff while sounding trustworthy. He have AFAIK no education or past, that have given him any tech or big business financial knowledge. He just know how to make it sound like that.
Totally agree. There are a few points to consider. It's not just western manufacturers dropping the ball. The Chinese government is funding renewable energy manufacturing and foreign port construction. Western governments aren't, not to the same extent anyway. And building an EV for the US isn't as easy as for other nations. We drive further and haul more. Our batteries need to be larger, making vehicles more expensive, driving down sales and profits.
You are completely right. In Denmark we are way past buying hybrid cars. Under 10% of sales were hybrids in 2024, and 55 % were EVs. The rest gasoline - about 2% diesel. 5 years ago, hybrid cars were interesting, but its obvious that the electric car is the future.
Do not drive your plugin hybrid like EV! Don't ask me how I know. The small hybrid drive battery gets unusable before 100.000 miles. It reaches 3.000 estimated cycles far too soon.
300 cycles in one year so it's good for 10 years, by then you've got your money's worth out of it. Change to a new pack from a third party like Green Bean Battery who supplies low-cost replacement battery packs. I got my hybrid traction battery in my Prius replaced by Green Bean battery after nearly 200,000 miles, for $1,100 USD, all cost included, and they came to my house to do the replacement. If this has been a Tesla's battery, it would have costed me $11,000 to $20,000. So, which is more cost effective?
Basically Toyota haven’t brought any innovation to automobiles in last 20 years. Sitting idle mostly and making incremental improvements to ICE. And they have no one else to blame. The idea that they want to give all the options to customers just shows that they are unable to compete in EV.
@ouethojlkjn Your comment makes zero sense, make another when the meds have worn off. In 2024 Toyota was the second highest revenue earning car manufacturer on the planet after VAG. No EV manufacturer even got into the top 10.
6:00 Moore's Law is a semiconductor specific observation & projection (the number of transistors on an IC will double every two years with minimal rise in cost) It has nothing to do with economies of scale or Wright’s Law which both describe efficiency gains in the cost of production.
Meanwhile in california anyway they rob you for fuel. if you're using the car locally a lot, it can pay for itself in a few years in the gas you don't use.
Not a bad strategy but some need to take the lead for this to happen. If you can do as BEVs are great to drive and range anxiety doesn’t exist if you get the current right car for your usage.
Probably not a horrible idea for western buyers, but here in China there are more charging stations than gas stations (at least from my vantage point driving through my city). And the prices are already astounding low for western sensibilities (they probably still seem high to the average Chinese citizen, but will certainly be much lower than western made vehicles).
Dude...why do you ask for peoples thoughts and experinces all the time? I write my experinces of people buying EV's in Norway...and its automatically deleted...your losing your integrity bro....the truth is european Ev's a doing well here...slow to adjust but well. Everytime that i write that """" EV's are not doing well here...comment deleted....hmmmm
@@John-p7i5g Well what i am doing is commenting onm other peoples comments telling them that the channel is not authentic....also tell them that European Ev's are doing great in Norway and we know our EV's :)
There are distinc market share for EV, hybrid and ICE. Not all market have the infrastructure for EV, The skateboard platform concept had been around for many years but not really making waves. The slowdown of sales of non-chinese cars are not because of the cheap chinese cars but more on economic slowdowdown in the rest of the world.
By the end of December there will be 3 1/2 million unsold new cars on American dealer lots. Just because a manufacturer books a sale doesn’t mean the vehicle has been bought. The next wave will be dealers going bankrupt.
You are right, the complexity of 3 systems; engine, motors,, and transmission, makes them too expensive. And battery progress is way ahead of expectation. Great video, all car production managers must see this.
It may seem complicated but in reality it’s actually not. As a Toyota tech their hybrid systems are actually more reliable than their regular vehicles. It’s complicated but if it’s made correctly it works well and doesn’t break
Another urban myth in many - but not all - countries. Here in the UK the deployment of public charge points is accelerating, see ZapMap. Battery-accelerated charging, where energy is stored in a local battery to enhance charge rates, is making fast-charge less dependent on big infrastructure gains and more about smart power management systems. But you're right - 'build it and they will come' is a key driver for EV adoption
While you don’t get an EV the problem is how much more money you are spending on petrol and diesel and maintenance to go the same distance. You really don’t think the petrochemical and legacy auto industry have your interest at heart do you?
urban myth...lol. just a head in the sand comment. i recently rented a ev and it was an absolute nightmare. almost wrecked my holiday looking for "working" charge spots and waiting to charge.
@TuonoV4F sorry to hear about your holiday, but you (as so many people do) are extrapolating their own experience as being representative of the whole. I work with large numbers of the motoring public and I make a point of asking eV drivers about their experiences. The feedback is almost universally positive across vehicle ownership, cost and charging. These are owners or company vehicle drivers, which I'd suggest is more representative in terms of sample size and driving use. I think you sadly had an exceptional experience, but Lapland as one of Santa's little helpers was always going to be hard work. Who knew the reindeer and Rudolph's shiny nose were battery powered? 🤔
We love our 2017 Pacifica PHEV so far (170,000km on it). We can drive to each of two local towns and back on battery only (in warm weather that is 😜). In hybrid mode, once battery is discharged, it uses 7.7l/100km which is very good for such a big, heavy vehicle! It drives very smoothly and I’m hoping it will last another few years so that we can choose from a larger number of minivan type BEVs by then 🙏🤗 (preferably a Tesla, largely for FSD)
If the 700 kms is true....well that would be great. But what there reality of the range....especially in cold weather, or the AC working or car or hilly roads with four people and luggage. But let's hope 700 kms is true, then maybe in a few years it will be 1000kms and more.
@jimclarence5441 for example just google 'xiaomi su7 range', many others of its kind has similar range. It may be ideal condition range (cltc) but that is offset by not needing to idle an ice engine in traffic jams
I hope Aptera comes to Australia. Seems like a perfect fit for the Outback and other long road trips. Hopefully Rivian will eventually come to Australia as well.
2013 Prius, over 100K miles and still drives beautifully. It's had a couple of problems-brake sensor needed replacement was the most expensive-and 12V battery died-but other than that has been totally reliable. I don't enjoy driving it, too sluggish, but it's perfect for the wife. My next car will almost def. be EV, though. We love the Leaf we got our daughter.
The crisis has hit many automaker companies except Toyota, so I am expected that in the near future, almost all roads of fuel car buyers goes to Toyota.
I agree, always though the batteries were too crappy on range in hybrids. Just a front to qualify a vehicle as "greener". Now China is making proper hybrids with proper range. I admire how BYD for example, did the similar E-power tech with proper range and performance.
There is a place for EVs, but that place is not everywhere. I recently completed a 4,000 mile road trip in the western US. There were times when I found it difficult to find a gas station. Trying to find an electric charger would have been a stressful nightmare.
No legacy auto is make ng itself vertically integrated. They are scared to engage in battery making as tesla is. They could easily buy lfp knowhow and machines from catl as Tesla is doing. But they are scared to do it.
Unions make it impossible for US or EU legacy auto to vertically integrate. Jacked-up wages and absenteeism for parts would push car costs up through the roof :/
*Nissan* has always relied on using a pump to fuel their products. (They aren't alone.) To them it's all done by chemistry ... and they are _metal folders, _*_not_*_ chemists._ *R.I.P. Nissan*
I just bought a hybrid, a used 2021 with low miles, for cheap. I need it to last 5 years until electrics have gained more share, and more charging infrastructure is installed here in the USA, and my other half is convinced they are practical.
Plug-in hybrid is "LITERALLY 100X MORE LIKELY TO CATCH FIRE IN A CRASH". NOT 99X or 23X, but exactly 100X. Wow. I think we need to reference an industry source on that one!
'Kelly Blue Book reported on findings from a study that shows EV are actually less likely to cause or be involved in fires than gasoline-powered or hybrid vehicles.1 Data from the National Transportation Safety Board showed that EVs were involved in approximately 25 fires for every 100,000 sold. Comparatively, approximately 1,530 gasoline-powered vehicles and 3,475 hybrid vehicles were involved in fires for every 100,000 sold.' So actually more than 100x.
@@ChickensAndGardeningThe media make a big deal about every EV fire, but don't report on others. 'Kelly Blue Book reported on findings from a study that shows EV are actually less likely to cause or be involved in fires than gasoline-powered or hybrid vehicles.1 Data from the National Transportation Safety Board showed that EVs were involved in approximately 25 fires for every 100,000 sold. Comparatively, approximately 1,530 gasoline-powered vehicles and 3,475 hybrid vehicles were involved in fires for every 100,000 sold.'
Hybrid implies a merger, a combination. Hybrid cars are not that. They are cars which are basically ice with a tiny battery with next to no range. Pointless.
The appeal could be that one can charge their vehicle every night on a slow charger in their garage, and be able to drive on batteries alone back and forth to work the next day for 40 miles. And when they have that wild hair to drive longer, there is nothing stopping them. Thus only need to buy gas every two months rather than every 2 weeks. A win-win situation.
@williamlewandowski129 Well first of all the economics of spending up to £2000 for a wall charger to do less than 40 miles a day seems a bit ridiculous and there would be nothing to stop you driving further if you used that same charger to put around 300 miles in your car and never had to fill your tank at all.
@ Like Spock on Star Trek, pure logic just doesn’t have mass appeal, especially for Americans whose emotional side of the brain is over developed. So car manufacturers have to calculate that into their model mix.
Crazy having 2 systems in a car msintsince crazy expensive to service electrical/battery system and then service girl side system costs crazy to build as well compared to a singular system
In my point of view, there are troubles to be solved... But, I don't think that hybrid are roading to hell. I wouldn't buy an electric car for the moment. My problem isn't the electric car itself. My problem is the infrastructure to charge them. If you look to USA, you'll see a country that send their companies outside for a long time. Probably, this act help them to have disposable electric energy inside the cities where the users are. But, it's not the rule for the rest of the world. I'm afraid that in critical moments there will lack electric energy. The countries are not investing in generation as much as necessary. But, the main problem is related to distribution lines. Nobody talks about it, nobody invest on it. Hoh, how do they think those energy will reach the consumer? So I think there is problems to use hybrid cars and problems related to the use o electric cars. Only the time will solve them. First, we need to cross this road to see the troubled waters!
Americans like risk, a Hybrid is a combination of high voltage and gas, a great combination for an explosion. Thats why Hybrids catch fire twice as much as ICE cars
In the USA full EV adoption will continue to be slow due to a lack of charging infrastructure and rapid technological improvements on EV batteries to alleviate range anxiety. The incoming administration will do little to change that. That’s why the demand is high for HEV’s and PHEV’s. They also fit our driving lifestyle better.
...come on. Driving lifestyle is total nonsense. If you are truly an American driver you'd know we don't daily drive, on average, beyond 40 miles a day. We have long commutes at times, but the range is not longer....just lots of traffic is all. The infrastructure fud is from 2015...its 2025 in a few days. Tons of super chargers now and other chargers....infrastructure indeed. Again, with the range argument. When EVs had 200 miles...it was said more range is needed. Okay. When 250 was reached...still more range. Umm okay. We got to 300...nope still not good enough. What.? Now we have 363 to 400 miles...and low and behold....have comes the range fud. Please, that tired old talking point is so last decade...literally. If you don't have home charging or a close dc fast charger...then stay with GAS only. Don't waste your money on a PHEV or Hybrid....they are fire hazards and have reduced future used sale value. Your wasting your money buying or leasing phevs or hybrids. You buy one now you can expect by 2030 to have a useless brick nobody wants. A pure gas will still be necessary is very rural areas...for a short time. Those people have electricity at their caravan/trailer/modular home...and a simple retrofit will add a basic 220 to their electrical meter...bam...you now can home charging without upgrading your 100A box. Bye bye gas. Oh, their commutes are 40miles or less...even a basic bolt can crush that.
Yeah, try paying UK petrol (gas) prices - (much higher than the US) - you'll soon see why pure electric makes sense - especially if you put Solar on your roof....
Lack of *non-Tesla* charging infrastructure. Elon/Tesla started deploying superchargers over a decade ago and has managed to build one of the few reliable networks.
"US automakers race to build more hybrids as EV sales slow" - Reuters, March 2024. "EV Sales Are Growing But Hybrid Sales Are Exploding" - Autopian, May, 2024. "Hybrid Cars Enjoy a Renaissance as All-Electric Sales Slow." - NYT, January 2024. "Hybrid Cars Retake The Limelight As EV Sales Slow. " - Investor's Business Daily, April 2024.
The problem I see with hybrids is maintenance - rather than range. Two power systems means double the opportunity for faults and moving parts of the hybrid motor are more likely to fail than solid state electric components.
What 2 different systems? The ICE car has an engine, starter battery, engine starter, alternator, and transmission. The PHEV has an engine, then two e-motors that act as engine starter, alternator, AND these 2 motors ALSO function as the TRANSMISSION as well, in fact a very reliable transmission, far more reliable than the multi-gear-shift transmission, and of course the battery pack. So, the PHEV does NOT have any extra part that an ICE car. doen't have. In fact, the HEV and PHEV are simpler than a regular gas car and have fewer parts. They don't have failure-prone engine starter, alternator, and serpentine belts, and the brakes pads last for the life of the car due to regenerative braking.
Hybrids work in the US, where there are few charging stations. They work esp well in cities like NYc where apt dwellers don’t have access to outlets for overnight charging. Hybrids like the Toyota Prius are efficient and great looking too. Different strategies for different countries. But yeah, the rest of the world is moving ahead lol. Americans just want to go backwards. I love my ice cars and will keel them until they the Us decides to build enough chargers.
I've said this before, but it's not moore's law your referring to, but Wright's Law when it comes to the doubling of production and costs coming down ~25%
Having two power trains, ICE and electric is ultimately never going to be price competitive. Hybrid competitiveness relies on 2020 as being peak for EV technology.
Sam, did you miss this part in the article about Nissan executive? “This dominance is fueled by nearly $320 billion in government subsidies doled out by the Chinese government since 2009. The funds have helped China to invest heavily in EV tech and software,” Given the amount of money China has invested in EV tech it seems logical that they would also be funding the world wide push for green energy and EVs.
Ok, lets put this in perspective How much does the US government subsidise the oil industry? According to the International Energy Agency, fossil fuel handouts hit a global high of $1 trillion in 2022 - the same year Big Oil pulled in a record $4 trillion of income. In the United States, by some estimates taxpayers pay about $20 billion dollars every year to the fossil fuel industry.May 3, 2023 SEN. WHITEHOUSE ON FOSSIL FUEL SUBSIDIES Chairman Press | Chairman's Newsroom | Chairman | U.S. ... - U.S. Senate www.budget.senate.gov
Surprisingly enough, the average Chinese citizens are also a little reluctant to jump both feet into fully electric vehicles. And thus have a large contingent of wonderful plug in hybrids to choose from. But I agree, plug in hybrids are a stop gap. However, not totally unwise for a transition that is expected to take 10+ years for full EVs to dominate the markets.
One of the key differences between full ev and hybrid is the need with hybrids to still pay for regular maintenance of the combustion engine. As well of course the emissions. For those reasons I also can’t see why buyers would refer a hybrid.
The same goes for Chinese vehicles where they are fans of putting a thermal engine to charge directly the battery. Those type of vehicles are dominant in their electrified car market.
My 2 cents: If the Chinese battery companies are the major sources of batteries, then non-Chinese car makers may not get preferential treatment when compared to Chinese car makers when sourcing batteries. Hence, they can only focus on options that don't use large batteries.
I'm all for full EV but the market is demanding hybrids. This is a tough place for automakers to be in. EVs are slowly growing in countries like the US but are struggling to find mainstream traction. Toyota in many cases can't build enough of their hybrids to meet demand while the Bz4x (a poor effort into EVs mind you) rots on their lots.
Practically every car made now is a hybrid of some kind. This is partly due to ever-growing emissions mandates but mostly because for whatever reason legacy auto still insists on not making electric vehicles.
I agree with Nissan about hybrids. However part of the problem is that Nissan doesn't have one on the shelf that it could sell to the muppet masses.... or they would do it.
we are still in the age of the hybrid, while we wait for evs. it is not a myth that we get a dozen battery gamechangers each year, and ev manufacturers are going bust. still in the time of the hybrid for a few more years, and I love mine. get your tech sorted first.
@@ptuomo I asked chatgpt "produce a table, one line for each model showing, which electric vehicles were available in 2014, the range, the cost, charging times, types of battery, and the kwh at the pack level" and I certainly was not impressed with the results.
Well, as far as I can tell the most indebted company in the world is Toyota closely followed by VW. Honda carries huge debt as does BMW as does Stella Lantis and Ford.. oh Nissan has gone bust but the Japanese government won’t allow it.
BYD is selling PHEV to create a gateway to their Brand to evs. Excellent business strategy. No wonder they are penetrating to every market or even competitors' manufacturing (Toyota).
Drove a rental Toyota hybrid recently. Goes 1000km in a tank of 40l. Lane assist, adaptive cruise control, etc makes driving so comfortable. I don’t think Hybrid is "road to hell". Not every one is able to charge EV easily.
"Self-charging hybrids" are basically ICE cars with electric transmission (to allow the ICE to operate at better efficiency than would normally be the case). And they all use (relatively small) lithium batteries.
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In Norway you can experience range anxiety in a fossil car.
I never going back to the pump. I love the real freedom my EV gives me.
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@jojosthlm what a bizzare world that we live in
So true, I have 1000-1200km in a full tank and I needed to plan with fuel stations on a roadtrip i northen norway this summer.
@@madsrosenfeldt8573you cannot plan anything with a cheap electric EV with these distances. Moreover, as Norwegian citizens are richer that most(thanks to the Nord see gas) well they can afford expensive EVS.
@@geirvinje2556 Norway has well over $1 trillion in money saved up from North Sea oil. You cannot use Norway as an example of how other countries should operate. Drive to Finland and see how your range anxiety is doing.
Not only do Chinese manufacturers profit from economies of scale, but also from the complete value chain, located domestically
Toyota Hybrids - Big Engines / Small Batteries !
BYD Hybrids - Small Engines / Big Batteries !
thats why byd are selfburning in china street everywhere during winter,and this man dosent know because he didnt living in there.
I think Toyota hybrids (and maybe all Japanese hybrids) are small in both
I'll take the Toyota, always.
@@lorimcquinn3966 That is why Toyota will get there hybride from BYD as they are superior.
@@rozonoemi9374 Toyota has been doing hybrids for over 2 decades they know what they are doing
common sense would say two systems in one vehicle would be nearly twice as complex. require ICE mechanic and electrical mechanic skills.
Also, too many parts to go bad and need replacing.
What 2 different systems? The ICE car has an engine, starter battery, engine starter, alternator, and transmission. The PHEV has an engine, then two e-motors that act as engine starter, alternator, AND these 2 motors ALSO function as the TRANSMISSION as well, in fact a very reliable transmission, far more reliable than the multi-gear-shift transmission, and of course the battery pack. So, the PHEV does NOT have any extra part that an ICE car. doen't have. In fact, the HEV and PHEV are simpler than a regular gas car and have fewer parts. They don't have failure-prone engine starter, alternator, and serpentine belts, and the brakes pads last for the life of the car due to regenerative braking.
And the parts count just keeps going up... not good.
Yep, that's I what I am thinking as well, you're much better off of either ICE or EV. 50/50 is always a compromise and rarely best of both worlds.
@@trungson6604 You are wrong!
BYD PHEVs are EVs with electric motors and a small ICE range extender that works as a generator. That is totally different to western and japanese PHEVs....
Similar to Chevy Volt and Nissan X-Trail (sold only in Japan).
There are some Japanese PHEVs have a small ICE and a larger battery (but still smaller than BYD's), such as Honda's CR-V PHEV and Accord PHEV. However, these Japanese PHEVs are not from scratch, but are modifications of the ICEV. In the Accord PHEV, for example, the battery has been placed in the boot behind the rear seat, creating "a step (of a staircase)" in the boot.
BMW i3 REX is like that
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My sister wanted to buy an EV but there were no chargers near her apartment (we tried looking w/ in a 5 block radius in NYC). She spoke w/ her condo association & they have NO PLANS to install chargers in her parking garage either. She finally decided on a Hybrid.
That's reasonable. I can't blame your sister. I'd go a similar route if I was unable to have home charging. I've commented that condos and apartments unwilling or unable to add chargers will be the limiting factor.
hybrids are absolutely the right choice for lot of people
Smart choice… And imagine, her new car will not actually lose half its value like that EV will.
@@williamgrunzweig571 This has to be fixed by legislation. In Germany you have right to install a wall charger on your rented parking spot.
Even forty years ago, we said cars lose 20% of their value as they leave the forecourt. The secret is to buy secondhand and keep until they are dead. That will be a 100% loss but still the best economic outcome.
I agree, i just returned from china 2 of the leading makers i toured, are really making serious progress.
Quality,speed to.market we here in n.a. are saddled with to much legacy and cultural redundancy we are going to get hurt if we dont understand the car is a commodity now. Anyone can build them
We have our blinders on ,major shift coming
I think by legacy you mean Union
@timothykeith1367 nothing is a fits all , we run 2 evs at the house my daughter drives 30 mi ea way to college daily loves it
Wife about 60 mi day running g around and both charge at home and like it alot
We have f250 dsl and other cars but really they sit 90% time
I bought my hybrid 7 years ago. I love it. Uses half the gas of a conventional gas engine. Still works like a charm. Not sure if my next car with be an EV or hybrid.
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If someone is using the logic/philosophy you present at about 4:50 in this video then they would never buy a new car (regardless of powertrain) because there's always something new coming along in the near future. You are espousing a comment made by a Nissan executive, but look where Nissan is as a company these days. China captures market through heavily subsidizing target industries, but what would happen if those subsidies disappeared and Chinese companies had to compete on the world market?
nissan totally lost the ev gamble and overlooked the hybrid techs. Now they will be absorbed into honda.
After establishing a dominate foothold, I think the end of Chinese government EV subsidies will have proven to serve their purpose. Just as the Chinees commercial airplanes business will. Certainly Airbus can attest to the success of subsidies.
So called mild hybrids or self charging are just a way of keeping ICE going for 5 years longer, here in the UK. OK they do give a few extra MPG, but manufacturers will build in the smallest battery possible to enable it to be called a hybrid and avoid the ban.
»You make more, it costs less« - is Wright’s Law … ;)
I have a 2015 Toyota Prius, and it has a GREAT CAR. I HAVE HAD NO TROUBLE WITH THIS HYBRID!
Used to own one, Horse and cart Sorry
Toyota has nailed the technology, it's all the other automaker hybrids that are rubbish.
No wonder it is used by taxis everywhere.
@@jay-em If that comment is correct and Toyota have the best Engineers in the WOLD then why in 2026 will all Toyota's Hybrids will be supplied and running BYD's Hybrid power trains , Toyota will definitely nail the Technology in 2026.
@@elenabob4953 Because they have NO alternative yet and in saying that we do have a few Full Electric Uber Eat vehicles on the road now
Hey Sam. You're misusing Moore's Law. His law says that computer power will double each 18 months or so because of the number of transistors that can fit on a chip keeps increasing. He also noted that the price will stay about the same. It had nothing to do with costs coming down because of the number of units being built.
He’s been told this many times, good thing he doesn’t read the comments, a?
A car's design R&D cost could be easily in the billions. A billion divided by 1 million cars sold is far less than a billion divided by 10,000 sold, No? Average cost per car goes down with each extra car sold.
@@manatee123 Yes, I agree. The point is that, while what you said is true, it has nothing to do with Moore's Law!
He really should read some comments. Yesterday he was saying electric in the UK was basically free. It's the highest priced in the world. I think he relies too much on press releases and the odd story that supports his narrative. Hybrids are extremely dangerous!!!!!???? Why because they have a fuel tank? And a battery like 100% of ICE cars? I have been watching his videos for a while and after yesterday and now today there is no point. He has only one view ignores others and bypasses inconvenient truths.
yeah, its Wright's law - manufacturing more, reduces unit cost....
Sure, but the Chinese are also leading in BEVs. So they are grabbing share from both markets.
Losing the EV competition know is akin to lose air supremacy in a war. Once it is lost, it can't be recovered unless the other party becomes extremely complacent and incompetent, as it takes a long time to build new planes or build up better EV tech.
Well said.
I'd learn how to spell lose or losing in the correct context before imparting your eternal wisdom
Nissan's problems are due to wasting a lot of money on the Leaf BEV that didn't sell well, and a lot of money on belt CVTs that are very crappy. If Nissan has focused on Hybrids without making those two crappy things like BEV and CVT, then Nissan would still be doing very well today.
@@triv7252 The "loose" are my mistake, and I'm about to fix them in the post.
I'm not sure why you said this so aggressively, but well.
What about speaking about the actual subject, though?
By the way, I'm French. May your French be less flawed than my English. Also, English spelling (and also French spelling) is at worst stupid, at best random. I try not to waste to much time on it.
@@trungson6604 I've no idea what a CVT is but the leaf was the best thing Nissan did. The waste only occurred because they did not sustained their investment. Then, they fought and against before betraying Carlos Ghosn, who was their best hope to survive the transition.
If they had done that, they would have the best EV tech and cars among the legacy OEM today, able to compete fairly with the Chinese and possibly better than Kia/Hyundai. They would also likely be the only one to sell EVs profitably, alongside Renault and Mitsubishi, I suppose.
Hybrids are a fad and a scam, as people will soon come to realize, maybe this year or the next.
I can't see the point in mild hybrids, they're just a tick in the box to say a car is "hybrid".
Hybrids are OK, but the batteries are relatively small, so the benefit isn't great.
Plugin hybrids with a reasonable 10kwh+ battery is definitely the way to go.
The latest PHEVs have 20kwh batteries and cover 99% of your journeys with the safety net of petrol to cover longer distances.
The fact that companies like Nissan and Toyota still have shareholders is a miracle itself.
Absolutely correct
yet it has the most sales in australia.
@@TuonoV4F When the first iPhone launched, Nokia had 70% of the global cell phone market. But they just kept messing around, ignoring the imminent threat.
@@d33763 - investors like money. Toyota world made $300 billion in 2024, BYD made $82 billion mostly limited to China. I know where I want to invest my money.
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Hybrids are the choice for the majority over BEV .
Good hybrid cars have been around for a quarter century and yet consumers didn't want them, said all kinds of nasty things about them. It's only now that EVs are making progress those same people are now wanting 25 year old technology.
@@frankcoffeyyes, also a lot of people are just making poor decisions on what would be the better solution for their needs.
@@frankcoffey What are all the nasty things said about hybrids. My sister bought two.
@@mikewallace8087 I'm old enough to remember the trash talk, it's going to cost more to maintain, complex, more to go wrong, more weight, not enough power, fire risk, there were a lot. Just having stop/start on my 2015 Malibu cost me $1200 to replace starter and second battery. There went all my gas savings.
GM didn't bother with a third generation Volt and went EV instead because their data showed that hardly anyone used the ICE in the Volt.
When a country has a good charging infrastructure. Range anxiety will not be an issue…
Yes it will. It takes much longer than using a fuel pump. People don't have time to waste. Also let's not act like ev manufacturing doesn't pollute.
@@711colonel As, in général, it isn't in Europe.
From Canada.we need charging infrastructure and a cost effective product ,we drive long distances and our cold weather is not conducive to getting a reasonable battery range.My new 2024 Lexus ES300h hybrid provides a luxury ride with 5L/100km usage and price was reasonable.It uses half to a third the amount of gas my previous vehicles used.ex Lexus LS or Toyota Sequoia.No plug in is needed.The technology is based on Prius which has had a good history for longevity eh.Love your channel even for an 84 yr old Dutchman. Thanks for all you do
A PHEV is still better than mild hybrids.
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for people live in apartment ,large city ,hybrids will be always a great option.
Until they’re banned due to their emissions.
It's a stopgap solution until the EV charging becomes mainstream. If you have EV charging stations near your residence and workplace, it makes little sense to still be on PHEVs.
What happens when more EVs hit the road then there is no need for all the gas stations and they can't make a profit well most will close down like they have in Norway and then the gas stations start putting their prices up to make a profit because their sales have gone down well good LUCK with that GREAT OPTION. Well don't believe me, well make a note of this as TIME will TELL
@neilellison8984 Norway is totally different,even 30-40 years ago was different. Most countries burning something to make electricity ,Germans even coal, Ireland where wind is plenty half production is still natural gas. Was counted using electricity from fossil fuel equal to 40-50mpg ,evs are not that efficient , electricity transport isn't efficient and cars heavy. If petrol production stays same ,will be cheaper because low demand. Battery swap could fix this problem not no manufacturer want to go that way other than couple of Chinese. Even byd marking hybrids not developing easy eg. part battery swap
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Electric vehicles (EVs) are more efficient than internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, converting more of the energy they use into motion:
Energy conversion: EVs convert over 77% of the energy from the grid into power at the wheels, while ICEs only convert 12-30% of the energy from gasoline.
Energy consumption: EVs consume less energy than ICEs, especially in stop-and-start traffic.
Efficiency in different driving conditions: EVs are more efficient than ICEs in all driving conditions, except on motorways where ICEs improve their efficiency.
Energy loss: ICEs lose around 60% of their energy to heat and friction.
Electricity costs: EVs have lower electricity costs than ICEs have for fuel.
EVs also have other advantages over ICEs, including:
Design: EVs have a simpler, more compact design with fewer moving parts and a less complex transmission.
Maintenance: EVs have lower maintenance costs due to their simple battery-electric motor systems.
Reliability: EVs are more reliable than ICEs.
Responsiveness: EVs are more responsive than ICEs.
Digital integration: EVs are better suited for digital integration than ICEs.
I don't care what has to say a director with ZERO VISION that was on the steering wheel while their company was driven into bankruptcy
Plug in hybrids also have the most maintenance issues.
Can you provide some evidence of that? Because I don't know of any maintenance issues with Toyota PHEV's around here. Totally reliable, as most Toyotas are.
@@ChickensAndGardening If you look at plug in hybrids they have by far the highest numbers of issues where you have to take the car in for repair. You can look at numbers globally or from specific areas doesn't really matter.
And it's pretty obvious when you have 2 separate systems that they will combine issues with both and then add some. For example one rarer issue that comes from how people try to use plug in hybrids by not running the gas motor is the motor rusts and has to be replaced.
@@Raumanceit’s actually less. You’re just changing the oil and spark plus that’s about it
@@JDMSwervo2001 No. Plug in hybrids have by far the most issues out of all car types. So it's actually not less if you have any idea about the statistics involved. Now internal battery hybrids I don't know where those fall on the spectrum. But plug in hybrids have the most faults far beyond what normal gas cars have.
@ maybe where you live but here in the U.S. the only automakers who make plug in hybrids are Toyota Hyundai/kia and Mitsubishi and there’s no reported issues with them. Maybe those junky carmakers in your country are putting out bad products
I bought a Chevy Volt plug in hybrid 5 years ago. I chose it specifically because I wanted the cost savings of the electric, which calculates to 100 mpg comparing prices of electric to gas, and because I live in a very rural area, where there was no external charging station within an hour of my home. In that time, I have been very happy with it. It has been the best car I've ever owned, and the savings is quite good.
Hybrid is a fraud in steroids. You pay $10-15k more in price. This will “NEVER EVER BE RECOUPED “ in petrol/ gas savings for the entire life of the car. Then the same service cost, same spare parts etc as same as a normal combustion engine car. So what’s deal ? Just feel good. And really bad for your pocket
I was a bit nervous about range so I looked into buying the Volvo xc90 hybrid used. What I soon discovered the trade off was the earlier models fuel tank was 20 litres smaller, and the second hand price of the hybrid was £10k ($13.6k) more expensive for the gain of a 20mile range battery. So passed on that one.
Think the legacy auto are shaking in their boots.
Agreed. The advances in battery energy density and charging speeds will also make the entire battery swap model a failure.
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lol loved the throw back to younger years
I notice that GM, Ford, VW have all cut production and closed factories. How can they survive by selling less cars for more money? Who can afford $150k for a 2028 F-150 base model?
"Who can afford ..."
The top 10% to 30% of car buyers obviously. It has been this way for years. Also for years car companies have been have been pushing "features" (gimmicks) that you just have to have because the car companies make more profit from then.
Consider that 40% of US workers make under $20 an hour, and 33% make under $15 an hour! No new vehicle is realistically affordable for these people.
I lived through the '74 oil embargo. Detroit had gad guzzling V8's. This left the door wide open for the Japanese brands. Ugh.....when will they learn
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The will never learn. China will eventually dominate the USA car market and GM and Ford will never be able to compete.
Surely hybrid’s are, or soon will be, more expensive to manufacture than BEVs. Therefore they can’t be price competitive. And so you can’t imagine them being popular in the future.
In Brazil the infrastructure is terrible, and people jus stop for hours in posts and go do anything they need. In Brazil it will not work.
PHEVs are the way to go. Not mild hybrids.
If you look at the parts count in the current Honda Civic hybrid in the UK and European market, it's massive. The car is no longer a cheap, reliable hatchback but an expensive, fiendishly complicated one moving between 4 different power modes. An all electric car will be much cheaper and simpler to make with falling battery costs.
I would love to purchase a good Chinese EV without the ridiculous taxes that are levied in the UK!
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My Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is 4,5 years old. Charging cheaply at night gives us about 40 km on electricity. And when that is out the drivetrain delivers about 15 km / liter gas. Not bad for a 2 tons car. I would like to go fully electric, but our present car simply works well, since we mostly have short trips around. When it is worn out in about 5 years, I guess, I would probably go with the XPeng g6 or such like. At that time there will be many good and cheap BEV's to choose from.
15km/l is excellent.
@ Yes, I think it is really good. And with the regeneration it actually runs on electricity about 60% of the time after the original 40 km on the nightly charge is used up. Which makes for a very quiet and comfortable automatic car. The engine does not say much, and you don't notice the shift from electricity to the engine, as the engine makes the electricity which drives the car.
Well you could get an EV, charge cheaply at home and get between 250 and 600 miles of range.
@ Yes, but our present car has only driven 31.000 km in those 4+ years. And as most of our driving is local, it is on electricity. So apart from longer trips it works like a bev.
@@olepetersen3554 Well if it works like a bev.....
EV cars with High H.P. motors is the Biggest Mistake . Total H.P. should be less than 200 to increase the range.
I love your content but I really think you have the wrong name for moores law. Moore's law is about the ability of semiconductor manufacturers to double transistor density. You're thinking of the Economy of Scale
He is referring to ,battery capacity which is more analogous to,processor capacity.
@@klardfarkus3891No. He is wrong about Moore's law
@@pauld3327 it may not be at the same rate as microprocessors but battery technology is also improving ata a high rate. Maybe call it Vikings law, but it is analogous.
@@klardfarkus3891 He is confusing Moore's law law with Wright's law.
I don't think relay on any Chinese auto is a very clever. 400 auto makers with 2 making profits is a good recepy for bobbels, and after the real estate bobble blow, how good will they handle the banks. Economies are living complex systems with a lot of interdependence. Highly risky.
Half of what makes up a car in the west is from China anyway
Hybrids and spreading EV myths are legacy autos attempt to keep their combustion engine assembly lines going. Glad this guy is brave enough to tell the truth.
Such clickbait bs. Viking, you know Andy Palmer hasn’t been with Nissan for over 10 years. Viking, you should write headline copy for Drudge.
@@SurlyHick - haha…with you bro… some say that Sam is a CCP avatar, AI driven, of course.
@@NoiserTooI think he is just sensational. It brings more views...pumps the videos without any fact checking etc.
@@kristofvoros6120Even if people didn't know that detail, I am sure that everyone else is interested to know what the market trends are from a director that drove a prosperous company like Nissan into bankruptcy in only 6 years.
Mind you, when Ghosn was in charge of strategy, Renault and Nissan managed to reach second place in volume sales world wide and profit records just before his arrest.
@SurlyHick Would you really expect different from an former marketing guy with an education in art? Sam aka Electric Viking know how to sell stuff while sounding trustworthy. He have AFAIK no education or past, that have given him any tech or big business financial knowledge. He just know how to make it sound like that.
I love my Nissan E-Power tho, its comfortable, 20km/L consumption. only been using it for 2 months now tho.
Totally agree.
There are a few points to consider. It's not just western manufacturers dropping the ball. The Chinese government is funding renewable energy manufacturing and foreign port construction. Western governments aren't, not to the same extent anyway.
And building an EV for the US isn't as easy as for other nations. We drive further and haul more. Our batteries need to be larger, making vehicles more expensive, driving down sales and profits.
You are completely right. In Denmark we are way past buying hybrid cars. Under 10% of sales were hybrids in 2024, and 55 % were EVs. The rest gasoline - about 2% diesel. 5 years ago, hybrid cars were interesting, but its obvious that the electric car is the future.
I strongly considered buying a hybrid. The extra complexity made me go all electric.
Do not drive your plugin hybrid like EV! Don't ask me how I know. The small hybrid drive battery gets unusable before 100.000 miles. It reaches 3.000 estimated cycles far too soon.
300 cycles in one year so it's good for 10 years, by then you've got your money's worth out of it. Change to a new pack from a third party like Green Bean Battery who supplies low-cost replacement battery packs. I got my hybrid traction battery in my Prius replaced by Green Bean battery after nearly 200,000 miles, for $1,100 USD, all cost included, and they came to my house to do the replacement. If this has been a Tesla's battery, it would have costed me $11,000 to $20,000. So, which is more cost effective?
Basically Toyota haven’t brought any innovation to automobiles in last 20 years. Sitting idle mostly and making incremental improvements to ICE. And they have no one else to blame. The idea that they want to give all the options to customers just shows that they are unable to compete in EV.
And yet Toyota were awarded 2,667 automotive design patents in 2023 alone?
Yep, sure sounds like Toyota are stagnant to me.🤦♂️
@@robertgreen9614 you can put out all the patents you like for a steam engine. It doesn’t mean you’re going to make any money at it.
@ouethojlkjn Your comment makes zero sense, make another when the meds have worn off. In 2024 Toyota was the second highest revenue earning car manufacturer on the planet after VAG. No EV manufacturer even got into the top 10.
battery cars have no complexity. sticking a battery in chassis with motors is not next level thinking. toyota built the world economy.
Toyotas doing fine. They didn’t get to where they are by “innovating”
6:00 Moore's Law is a semiconductor specific observation & projection (the number of transistors on an IC will double every two years with minimal rise in cost)
It has nothing to do with economies of scale or Wright’s Law which both describe efficiency gains in the cost of production.
Sam is a CCP Avatar… An AI driven Shanghai Rose that never reads comments 😆😮
And, not a “law”
Many reasons not to go for ev, in couple of years they woll be better and cheaper and infrastructure will be more developed. No reason to rush
Almost 400 miles now from the better EV's and it uses the same infrastructures
Meanwhile in california anyway they rob you for fuel. if you're using the car locally a lot, it can pay for itself in a few years in the gas you don't use.
Not a bad strategy but some need to take the lead for this to happen. If you can do as BEVs are great to drive and range anxiety doesn’t exist if you get the current right car for your usage.
Probably not a horrible idea for western buyers, but here in China there are more charging stations than gas stations (at least from my vantage point driving through my city). And the prices are already astounding low for western sensibilities (they probably still seem high to the average Chinese citizen, but will certainly be much lower than western made vehicles).
Dude...why do you ask for peoples thoughts and experinces all the time? I write my experinces of people buying EV's in Norway...and its automatically deleted...your losing your integrity bro....the truth is european Ev's a doing well here...slow to adjust but well. Everytime that i write that """" EV's are not doing well here...comment deleted....hmmmm
This dude have no way of reading through all the comments least of all, deleting.
I guess it must be the yt autocensor thingy.
@@FrankiePo89 I feel its a alocated team...my comments are well within the guidlines and never aggressive/rude...it makes no sense.
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@@yourosco9 I have very polite comments deleted on other channels. It's annoying but what can you do.
@@John-p7i5g Well what i am doing is commenting onm other peoples comments telling them that the channel is not authentic....also tell them that European Ev's are doing great in Norway and we know our EV's :)
There are distinc market share for EV, hybrid and ICE. Not all market have the infrastructure for EV, The skateboard platform concept had been around for many years but not really making waves. The slowdown of sales of non-chinese cars are not because of the cheap chinese cars but more on economic slowdowdown in the rest of the world.
By the end of December there will be 3 1/2 million unsold new cars on American dealer lots. Just because a manufacturer books a sale doesn’t mean the vehicle has been bought. The next wave will be dealers going bankrupt.
You are right, the complexity of 3 systems; engine, motors,, and transmission, makes them too expensive.
And battery progress is way ahead of expectation.
Great video, all car production managers must see this.
too bad charging infrastructure Nd charging times are pathetic
It may seem complicated but in reality it’s actually not. As a Toyota tech their hybrid systems are actually more reliable than their regular vehicles. It’s complicated but if it’s made correctly it works well and doesn’t break
the problem is how fast and where can I charge my car, when will it be solved?
Another urban myth in many - but not all - countries. Here in the UK the deployment of public charge points is accelerating, see ZapMap. Battery-accelerated charging, where energy is stored in a local battery to enhance charge rates, is making fast-charge less dependent on big infrastructure gains and more about smart power management systems. But you're right - 'build it and they will come' is a key driver for EV adoption
While you don’t get an EV the problem is how much more money you are spending on petrol and diesel and maintenance to go the same distance. You really don’t think the petrochemical and legacy auto industry have your interest at heart do you?
urban myth...lol. just a head in the sand comment. i recently rented a ev and it was an absolute nightmare. almost wrecked my holiday looking for "working" charge spots and waiting to charge.
Not a problem in California. We have excess chargers cuz 90% charge in their garage overnight.
@TuonoV4F sorry to hear about your holiday, but you (as so many people do) are extrapolating their own experience as being representative of the whole.
I work with large numbers of the motoring public and I make a point of asking eV drivers about their experiences. The feedback is almost universally positive across vehicle ownership, cost and charging. These are owners or company vehicle drivers, which I'd suggest is more representative in terms of sample size and driving use.
I think you sadly had an exceptional experience, but Lapland as one of Santa's little helpers was always going to be hard work. Who knew the reindeer and Rudolph's shiny nose were battery powered? 🤔
We love our 2017 Pacifica PHEV so far (170,000km on it). We can drive to each of two local towns and back on battery only (in warm weather that is 😜). In hybrid mode, once battery is discharged, it uses 7.7l/100km which is very good for such a big, heavy vehicle! It drives very smoothly and I’m hoping it will last another few years so that we can choose from a larger number of minivan type BEVs by then 🙏🤗
(preferably a Tesla, largely for FSD)
One of each for me thanks. Pure ICE for the road tripping and more serious stuff and a small BEV for the city/burbs.
Putting those two desirable features into 1 vehicle and you would have a PHEV.
Chinese EVs are at 700 kms range, at that range no more need for hybdrids whose sole selling point is more range than old evs.
If the 700 kms is true....well that would be great. But what there reality of the range....especially in cold weather, or the AC working or car or hilly roads with four people and luggage. But let's hope 700 kms is true, then maybe in a few years it will be 1000kms and more.
@jimclarence5441 for example just google 'xiaomi su7 range', many others of its kind has similar range. It may be ideal condition range (cltc) but that is offset by not needing to idle an ice engine in traffic jams
I hope Aptera comes to Australia. Seems like a perfect fit for the Outback and other long road trips. Hopefully Rivian will eventually come to Australia as well.
Totally agree! Now considering that Li auto has a market cap of more than Xpeng and Nio combined, you can see that there is an imballance..
What do Nissan execs know? Their company is failing
I have a Ford Fusion Hybrid (5 years old). Love it. Zero problems with it. Get an average of 40 mpg.
Hybrid is the way to go… Until the next true breakthrough arrives
2013 Prius, over 100K miles and still drives beautifully. It's had a couple of problems-brake sensor needed replacement was the most expensive-and 12V battery died-but other than that has been totally reliable. I don't enjoy driving it, too sluggish, but it's perfect for the wife. My next car will almost def. be EV, though. We love the Leaf we got our daughter.
Ford licensed the hybrid technology from Toyota
@ …and?
yeah it's not working out for Toyota at all is it? 😂
The crisis has hit many automaker companies except Toyota, so I am expected that in the near future, almost all roads of fuel car buyers goes to Toyota.
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I agree, always though the batteries were too crappy on range in hybrids. Just a front to qualify a vehicle as "greener". Now China is making proper hybrids with proper range. I admire how BYD for example, did the similar E-power tech with proper range and performance.
There is a place for EVs, but that place is not everywhere. I recently completed a 4,000 mile road trip in the western US. There were times when I found it difficult to find a gas station. Trying to find an electric charger would have been a stressful nightmare.
economies of scale not Moores law
No legacy auto is make ng itself vertically integrated. They are scared to engage in battery making as tesla is. They could easily buy lfp knowhow and machines from catl as Tesla is doing. But they are scared to do it.
Unions make it impossible for US or EU legacy auto to vertically integrate. Jacked-up wages and absenteeism for parts would push car costs up through the roof :/
Let’s say NO to eternal combustion engines.
*Nissan* has always relied on using a pump to fuel their products. (They aren't alone.)
To them it's all done by chemistry ... and they are _metal folders, _*_not_*_ chemists._
*R.I.P. Nissan*
I just bought a hybrid, a used 2021 with low miles, for cheap. I need it to last 5 years until electrics have gained more share, and more charging infrastructure is installed here in the USA, and my other half is convinced they are practical.
Plug-in hybrid is "LITERALLY 100X MORE LIKELY TO CATCH FIRE IN A CRASH".
NOT 99X or 23X, but exactly 100X. Wow. I think we need to reference an industry source on that one!
If this were true, wouldn't it be plastered across the headlines? It's a bit sus.
“Exactly”, not “literally” is the word you’re thinking of.
'Kelly Blue Book reported on findings from a study that shows EV are actually less likely to cause or be involved in fires than gasoline-powered or hybrid vehicles.1 Data from the National Transportation Safety Board showed that EVs were involved in approximately 25 fires for every 100,000 sold. Comparatively, approximately 1,530 gasoline-powered vehicles and 3,475 hybrid vehicles were involved in fires for every 100,000 sold.'
So actually more than 100x.
@@ChickensAndGardeningThe media make a big deal about every EV fire, but don't report on others.
'Kelly Blue Book reported on findings from a study that shows EV are actually less likely to cause or be involved in fires than gasoline-powered or hybrid vehicles.1 Data from the National Transportation Safety Board showed that EVs were involved in approximately 25 fires for every 100,000 sold. Comparatively, approximately 1,530 gasoline-powered vehicles and 3,475 hybrid vehicles were involved in fires for every 100,000 sold.'
Hybrid implies a merger, a combination. Hybrid cars are not that. They are cars which are basically ice with a tiny battery with next to no range. Pointless.
The appeal could be that one can charge their vehicle every night on a slow charger in their garage, and be able to drive on batteries alone back and forth to work the next day for 40 miles. And when they have that wild hair to drive longer, there is nothing stopping them. Thus only need to buy gas every two months rather than every 2 weeks. A win-win situation.
@williamlewandowski129 Well first of all the economics of spending up to £2000 for a wall charger to do less than 40 miles a day seems a bit ridiculous and there would be nothing to stop you driving further if you used that same charger to put around 300 miles in your car and never had to fill your tank at all.
@ Like Spock on Star Trek, pure logic just doesn’t have mass appeal, especially for Americans whose emotional side of the brain is over developed. So car manufacturers have to calculate that into their model mix.
Crazy having 2 systems in a car msintsince crazy expensive to service electrical/battery system and then service girl side system costs crazy to build as well compared to a singular system
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Yep people must still love having to do oil changes etc. Lol
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what is your opinion on how Magna (Canada) is doing in EV tech?
In my point of view, there are troubles to be solved...
But, I don't think that hybrid are roading to hell.
I wouldn't buy an electric car for the moment. My problem isn't the electric car itself. My problem is the infrastructure to charge them.
If you look to USA, you'll see a country that send their companies outside for a long time. Probably, this act help them to have disposable electric energy inside the cities where the users are.
But, it's not the rule for the rest of the world. I'm afraid that in critical moments there will lack electric energy. The countries are not investing in generation as much as necessary. But, the main problem is related to distribution lines. Nobody talks about it, nobody invest on it.
Hoh, how do they think those energy will reach the consumer?
So I think there is problems to use hybrid cars and problems related to the use o electric cars. Only the time will solve them.
First, we need to cross this road to see the troubled waters!
Generation of electricity will never be the problem. The only thing that matters is infrastructure.
@@Simon-dm8zv- which is extremely expensive and even impossible to install in many parts of the US.
@@NoiserToo Not really actually.
Americans like risk, a Hybrid is a combination of high voltage and gas, a great combination for an explosion. Thats why Hybrids catch fire twice as much as ICE cars
In the USA full EV adoption will continue to be slow due to a lack of charging infrastructure and rapid technological improvements on EV batteries to alleviate range anxiety. The incoming administration will do little to change that. That’s why the demand is high for HEV’s and PHEV’s. They also fit our driving lifestyle better.
...come on. Driving lifestyle is total nonsense. If you are truly an American driver you'd know we don't daily drive, on average, beyond 40 miles a day. We have long commutes at times, but the range is not longer....just lots of traffic is all.
The infrastructure fud is from 2015...its 2025 in a few days. Tons of super chargers now and other chargers....infrastructure indeed. Again, with the range argument. When EVs had 200 miles...it was said more range is needed. Okay. When 250 was reached...still more range. Umm okay. We got to 300...nope still not good enough. What.? Now we have 363 to 400 miles...and low and behold....have comes the range fud. Please, that tired old talking point is so last decade...literally.
If you don't have home charging or a close dc fast charger...then stay with GAS only. Don't waste your money on a PHEV or Hybrid....they are fire hazards and have reduced future used sale value. Your wasting your money buying or leasing phevs or hybrids.
You buy one now you can expect by 2030 to have a useless brick nobody wants. A pure gas will still be necessary is very rural areas...for a short time.
Those people have electricity at their caravan/trailer/modular home...and a simple retrofit will add a basic 220 to their electrical meter...bam...you now can home charging without upgrading your 100A box. Bye bye gas. Oh, their commutes are 40miles or less...even a basic bolt can crush that.
Yeah, try paying UK petrol (gas) prices - (much higher than the US) - you'll soon see why pure electric makes sense - especially if you put Solar on your roof....
@@chrisheath2637except the electricity prices started skyrocketing. Do you think the prices will go down when more and more people will have EVs?
Lack of *non-Tesla* charging infrastructure. Elon/Tesla started deploying superchargers over a decade ago and has managed to build one of the few reliable networks.
"US automakers race to build more hybrids as EV sales slow" - Reuters, March 2024. "EV Sales Are Growing But Hybrid Sales Are Exploding" - Autopian, May, 2024. "Hybrid Cars Enjoy a Renaissance as All-Electric Sales Slow." - NYT, January 2024. "Hybrid Cars Retake The Limelight As EV Sales Slow. " - Investor's Business Daily, April 2024.
Hybrids are the most flammable vehicles on this planet
The problem I see with hybrids is maintenance - rather than range. Two power systems means double the opportunity for faults and moving parts of the hybrid motor are more likely to fail than solid state electric components.
What 2 different systems? The ICE car has an engine, starter battery, engine starter, alternator, and transmission. The PHEV has an engine, then two e-motors that act as engine starter, alternator, AND these 2 motors ALSO function as the TRANSMISSION as well, in fact a very reliable transmission, far more reliable than the multi-gear-shift transmission, and of course the battery pack. So, the PHEV does NOT have any extra part that an ICE car. doen't have. In fact, the HEV and PHEV are simpler than a regular gas car and have fewer parts. They don't have failure-prone engine starter, alternator, and serpentine belts, and the brakes pads last for the life of the car due to regenerative braking.
lol, thanks for selling me full EV.
Ice and Hybrid overly complex as you just showed You must love doing oil changes and filling up with petrol
Exactly right. Good on the Chinese.
Yes it gells. Great video, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hybrids work in the US, where there are few charging stations. They work esp well in cities like NYc where apt dwellers don’t have access to outlets for overnight charging.
Hybrids like the Toyota Prius are efficient and great looking too. Different strategies for different countries. But yeah, the rest of the world is moving ahead lol. Americans just want to go backwards. I love my ice cars and will keel them until they the Us decides to build enough chargers.
I've said this before, but it's not moore's law your referring to, but Wright's Law when it comes to the doubling of production and costs coming down ~25%
Having two power trains, ICE and electric is ultimately never going to be price competitive.
Hybrid competitiveness relies on 2020 as being peak for EV technology.
Sam, did you miss this part in the article about Nissan executive? “This dominance is fueled by nearly $320 billion in government subsidies doled out by the Chinese government since 2009. The funds have helped China to invest heavily in EV tech and software,” Given the amount of money China has invested in EV tech it seems logical that they would also be funding the world wide push for green energy and EVs.
It only make sense to go to Ev , people's do not need to breath combustion air . No just ev , electric scooter are more than car
Ok, lets put this in perspective
How much does the US government subsidise the oil industry?
According to the International Energy Agency, fossil fuel handouts hit a global high of $1 trillion in 2022 - the same year Big Oil pulled in a record $4 trillion of income. In the United States, by some estimates taxpayers pay about $20 billion dollars every year to the fossil fuel industry.May 3, 2023
SEN. WHITEHOUSE ON FOSSIL FUEL SUBSIDIES
Chairman Press | Chairman's Newsroom | Chairman | U.S. ... - U.S. Senate
www.budget.senate.gov
Unlike the something like 10 billion dollars in subsidies the fossil fuel industry gets from the US!
Where is the "let the market decide" crowd now?
Well, genius, why don't you publish the cost of battery replacement of the top 25 electric cars.
Do we really want to take the advice from the people who mismanaged Nissan causing it to fail?
Surprisingly enough, the average Chinese citizens are also a little reluctant to jump both feet into fully electric vehicles. And thus have a large contingent of wonderful plug in hybrids to choose from. But I agree, plug in hybrids are a stop gap. However, not totally unwise for a transition that is expected to take 10+ years for full EVs to dominate the markets.
Hybrids just add complexity and associated cost with very little gain.
We found out the hard way that dealers aren't prepared to fix troubled hybrids. Never again. BEV s only.
One of the key differences between full ev and hybrid is the need with hybrids to still pay for regular maintenance of the combustion engine. As well of course the emissions. For those reasons I also can’t see why buyers would refer a hybrid.
The same goes for Chinese vehicles where they are fans of putting a thermal engine to charge directly the battery. Those type of vehicles are dominant in their electrified car market.
People must still love filling up with petrol and doing oil changes, lol
@@elenabob4953 It's maybe 60% EREV / 40% BEV. Not really "dominant", but "somewhat preferred"
Hey, muppet! When will finally stop confusing Moore’s Law with Wright’s Law?
My 2 cents: If the Chinese battery companies are the major sources of batteries, then non-Chinese car makers may not get preferential treatment when compared to Chinese car makers when sourcing batteries. Hence, they can only focus on options that don't use large batteries.
I'm all for full EV but the market is demanding hybrids. This is a tough place for automakers to be in. EVs are slowly growing in countries like the US but are struggling to find mainstream traction. Toyota in many cases can't build enough of their hybrids to meet demand while the Bz4x (a poor effort into EVs mind you) rots on their lots.
Practically every car made now is a hybrid of some kind. This is partly due to ever-growing emissions mandates but mostly because for whatever reason legacy auto still insists on not making electric vehicles.
I agree with Nissan about hybrids. However part of the problem is that Nissan doesn't have one on the shelf that it could sell to the muppet masses.... or they would do it.
we are still in the age of the hybrid, while we wait for evs. it is not a myth that we get a dozen battery gamechangers each year, and ev manufacturers are going bust. still in the time of the hybrid for a few more years, and I love mine. get your tech sorted first.
Tech has been ready for 10 yrs already
@@ptuomo I asked chatgpt "produce a table, one line for each model showing, which electric vehicles were available in 2014, the range, the cost, charging times, types of battery, and the kwh at the pack level" and I certainly was not impressed with the results.
Well, as far as I can tell the most indebted company in the world is Toyota closely followed by VW. Honda carries huge debt as does BMW as does Stella Lantis and Ford.. oh Nissan has gone bust but the Japanese government won’t allow it.
BYD is selling PHEV to create a gateway to their Brand to evs. Excellent business strategy. No wonder they are penetrating to every market or even competitors' manufacturing (Toyota).
Drove a rental Toyota hybrid recently. Goes 1000km in a tank of 40l. Lane assist, adaptive cruise control, etc makes driving so comfortable. I don’t think Hybrid is "road to hell". Not every one is able to charge EV easily.
"Self-charging hybrids" are basically ICE cars with electric transmission (to allow the ICE to operate at better efficiency than would normally be the case). And they all use (relatively small) lithium batteries.