I absolutely loved this story. It feels so much deeper than the regular Batman-Joker relationship because it’s about two parents coping with the loss of their child in opposite ways. And it’s nice to see Batman so brutal, except he can never bring himself to kill his wife, because to do so would cut off the last connection he has to his dead son.
While watching this video I realized this particular story of Flashpoint Batman and Joker would make a super good "gotcha" film. If Thomas is never referred to as such, only ever Mr. Wayne or Batman, and they keep Joker's appearance hidden or just out of frame, having intermittent flashbacks to the night of the murder of Bruce but never showing who it was that died until the third act. It would make for a really good movie.
Referred to as even just Batman. Because unless they decided to keep Thomas' face hidden, or went clean shaven, either his age or the mustache would give it away, unless they deliberately showed batman killing with guns. Could act as a good "shock value" switcheroo, with normal moviegoers thinking its an unfaithful batman, and letting real fans immediately know its flashpoint batman On a different note. Hot take: cast Michael keaton as thomas in that thworetical movie. Already have him casted as batman in both 89 and the new flash movie, so unless it is just straight up flashpoint batman in the flash movie, you have a precedent set to lure normal viewers into believeing it to be bruce
For real like Martha would of course take a reality where they died and Bruce lived. But if Bruce lived on to be even half as dark and horrible as Thomas Wayne Batman is, to any mother, it’s an unthinkable alternative. Like he’s basically saying “it’s this horrible reality, or literally the worst fate imaginable for your son, and I’m asking you to choose.” If I were in her shoes, I’d run away screaming from that information, too. She’s not well, canonically she sort of never has been. Her family has a long history of madness. That’s what makes this storyline work so well. Also it’s a heterosexual romantic retelling of the conflict between Bat and Clown, where the Batman reciprocates Joker’s love on some level instead of it being unrequited on every level. It makes it so so sad. Spoilers for flashpoint beyond or whatever, but I almost feel bad she didn’t actually just die there in that cave because having to live with the knowledge that one of the universal constants is supposed to be that Bruce Wayne becomes Batman, as she eventually does, is like one of the worst fictional burdens to put on any one human person’s psyche in any alternate reality. Just like it’s one of the worst and cruelest fictional burdens to put on Bruce Wayne Batman’s psyche that in the Flashpoint timeline, his father becomes an unrecognizable, warped, killer Batman and HIS MOTHER BECOMES THE JOKER. 10/10 concept
The way Martha reacted to Thomas telling her that Bruce wouldn’t become a doctor, that was hard to watch. A mother learning that her son would fall down the same path as her husband, but not knowing her son would succeed both his parents, and be better as they hope. That is heartbreaking.
Bruce Batman doesn't kill the Joker because of a promise. Thomas doesn't kill the Joker because that's his wife. So similar yet so different, I love it.
"All it takes is one bad day" Literally, that's all it took for Thomas and Martha. And you're right, even when Batman kills, he and the Joker keep playing their sadistic game of theirs, without any of them killing the other, just for different reasons.
I just think it’s interesting how both Bat(men? man’s?) had totally opposite reactions to the same trauma. The first, surrounded himself with a new family, after his own was completely lost. The second isolated himself completely after his family was ripped apart.
I was hoping that Martha Wayne Joker would have been expanded upon. I believe that it was a bad idea to kill her. I would say somehow bring her to the main universe and commit murders in Gotham. I would love to see the reaction of both Batman and the Joker. I believe once the original Joker discovered her Identity he would go out of his way to help her kill more people to screw with Batman's head.
@@GabidenZhazylbekov don’t you think that would be a great story? Batman confronting his Mom who’s a female Joker? Also the Joker finding out Batman’s mom is a female version of him? They could write a 100 stories from that
That is awesome, not being able to kill the Joker because she’s his wife is a fantastic take Even more terrifying than the usual joker Also interesting to see the trick from The Dark Knight in a comic book, and darker (not sure which came first) awesome video! id love to know more
Fun fact: Real pearls are knotted individually to the strand to avoid them all going flying and scattering if the fragile string ever snaps. Which means that all of this happened for a fake necklace that costed maybe 50 bucks.
A dead giveaway was the shape of the pearls itself but then again, to a person traumatized since he was 8. A 50$ necklace is priceless. Point is it doesn't fucking matter
"I read as a kid". Yeah, comics really haven't been for kids for a long time. When I was little, I had the original Age of Apocalypse line. I also had the 4 part ending to the clone saga, where MJ is poisoned into having a miscarriage.
Personally, I never really liked how flash going back in time to save his mom somehow killed Bruce Wayne but I’ve gotta admit this version of Batman is so cool.
I strongly agree. There are decades of excellent stories that haven't been used, including some unusual ones. Two I'd like to see on the big/small screen are: - "What Ever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow", the last story featuring the Earth-One Superman and one of the darkest Superman stories ever done. - "Gotham Nights", a four-issue miniseries which is contains four stories featuring people living in Gotham City. Although Batman makes an appearance he is not the main character of the story.
Holy hell, that was such a good video 🤩 I love when Batman explores possibilities like this, and your cover was very well done :D I'd love to hear more about this Batman!
This would be one of the few cases where genderswapping a character would make sense as long as it stays true to the character. A movie or even movie series like this (the whole Flashpoint arc with this being part of it) would be interesting even if it's way too dark for me. However it would most likely earn lots of money
I'm just really curious about what happened to the actual Joker in this universe. He doesn't fall in the vat of chemicals and just remains a normal dude?
Flashpoint Harley Quinn, a DJ Girl who had it all, until something happened, her songs were pirated, or stolen.... and after getting sued over many times, She became insane... beyond saving, shes now a maniac wielding dual pistols. and she raids banks & music stores flawlessly, until the batman shows up...
@@anthonyfrias5533 Wasn’t there a Harley character in the Flashpoint movie? Thomas Wayne was interrogating her for intel on the Joker, he threw her off the building, but then Cyborg rescued her?
I loved this different take on Batman origin! Now if only they make a what if story if Batman was Penguin as in what if Oswald became Batman cos when he was a baby, he was swap place with Bruce for some reason?!
technically it still exist as an alternate universe (in Bruce's snowball), Martha created a machine so she can leave that universe and visit Bruce, she offered Thomas to go with her as well, he convinced her to stay and Kal El revealed that he was send to Earth to see if Earth should be dominate by Krytonian, so Thomas go out to deal with them
Ugh I love this comic, such a gut punch at so many different beats of the story. Saddest of all perhaps is that Martha Joker would of course take a reality where they both died and Bruce lived. But if Bruce lived on to be even half as dark and horrible as Thomas Wayne Batman is, to any mother, it’s an unthinkable alternative. Like Thomas basically saying “it’s this horrible reality, or literally the worst fate imaginable for your son, and I’m asking you to choose.” If I were in her shoes, I’d run away screaming from that information, too. She’s not well, canonically she sort of never has been. Her family has a long history of madness. That’s what makes this storyline work so well. Also it’s a heterosexual romantic retelling of the conflict between Bat and Clown, where the Batman reciprocates Joker’s love on some level instead of it being unrequited on every level. It makes it so so sad. Spoilers for flashpoint beyond or whatever, but I almost feel bad she didn’t actually just die there in that cave because having to live with the knowledge that one of the universal constants is supposed to be that Bruce Wayne becomes Batman, as she eventually does, is like one of the worst fictional burdens to put on any one human person’s psyche in any alternate reality. Just like it’s one of the worst and cruelest fictional burdens to put on Bruce Wayne Batman’s psyche that in the Flashpoint timeline, his father becomes an unrecognizable, warped, killer Batman and HIS MOTHER BECOMES THE JOKER. 10/10 concept. Also love the art of this original comic.
That is possible, or maybe the man who would have been The Joker is just a moderately successful comedian. In the Flashpoint Universe Barry Allen was just a police scientist, not The Flash and it is likely that other characters' lives also took a different directions (see Wonder Woman and Aquaman).
This is the story Warner Bros. should adapt in the DC Cinematic Universe. Now that Flash Film will essentially cover Flashpoint, it is a golden opportunity.
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I absolutely loved this story. It feels so much deeper than the regular Batman-Joker relationship because it’s about two parents coping with the loss of their child in opposite ways. And it’s nice to see Batman so brutal, except he can never bring himself to kill his wife, because to do so would cut off the last connection he has to his dead son.
It's about two parents*
Martha Wayne Joker does the "One bad day" so well. I was also so surprised by their continuation and how they're healing in a bubble timeline.
@vinnie3731 what do you mean? Isn't that what they said? Sorry, I'm autistic.
@@MikeRotch2020 The original comment is edited so it could've been corrected
it also shows the bs rule of "batman doesnt kill"
this batman klls a lot of criminals and is still a hero, well... kinda
While watching this video I realized this particular story of Flashpoint Batman and Joker would make a super good "gotcha" film. If Thomas is never referred to as such, only ever Mr. Wayne or Batman, and they keep Joker's appearance hidden or just out of frame, having intermittent flashbacks to the night of the murder of Bruce but never showing who it was that died until the third act. It would make for a really good movie.
why are u not making that movie now >:c I WILL GIVE MONEY
Awesome idea. I wish that you could send it to someone and have it done.
This perfect.
Referred to as even just Batman. Because unless they decided to keep Thomas' face hidden, or went clean shaven, either his age or the mustache would give it away, unless they deliberately showed batman killing with guns. Could act as a good "shock value" switcheroo, with normal moviegoers thinking its an unfaithful batman, and letting real fans immediately know its flashpoint batman
On a different note. Hot take: cast Michael keaton as thomas in that thworetical movie. Already have him casted as batman in both 89 and the new flash movie, so unless it is just straight up flashpoint batman in the flash movie, you have a precedent set to lure normal viewers into believeing it to be bruce
@@savagerage52If I will ever have that opportunity, I will make that movie. I promise.
The part when Martha asks what Bruce has become after their death. Wow, that hit deep the way he said not a doctor to Martha.
Asian parent be like:
@@internetuser320 nah 😭
@@cantsay939 sorry that came out poorly
@@internetuser320it didn’t
For real like Martha would of course take a reality where they died and Bruce lived. But if Bruce lived on to be even half as dark and horrible as Thomas Wayne Batman is, to any mother, it’s an unthinkable alternative. Like he’s basically saying “it’s this horrible reality, or literally the worst fate imaginable for your son, and I’m asking you to choose.” If I were in her shoes, I’d run away screaming from that information, too. She’s not well, canonically she sort of never has been. Her family has a long history of madness. That’s what makes this storyline work so well. Also it’s a heterosexual romantic retelling of the conflict between Bat and Clown, where the Batman reciprocates Joker’s love on some level instead of it being unrequited on every level. It makes it so so sad. Spoilers for flashpoint beyond or whatever, but I almost feel bad she didn’t actually just die there in that cave because having to live with the knowledge that one of the universal constants is supposed to be that Bruce Wayne becomes Batman, as she eventually does, is like one of the worst fictional burdens to put on any one human person’s psyche in any alternate reality. Just like it’s one of the worst and cruelest fictional burdens to put on Bruce Wayne Batman’s psyche that in the Flashpoint timeline, his father becomes an unrecognizable, warped, killer Batman and HIS MOTHER BECOMES THE JOKER. 10/10 concept
I love this version of batman. Such a brutal reimagining but it's beautiful at the same time
You mean batdad.
The way Martha reacted to Thomas telling her that Bruce wouldn’t become a doctor, that was hard to watch. A mother learning that her son would fall down the same path as her husband, but not knowing her son would succeed both his parents, and be better as they hope. That is heartbreaking.
I feel like Martha would be proud to know her son in another life is trying to do the right thing.
@@ethanpease5936 It would definitely help her to know that Bruce, unlike Thomas, never kills.
Martha Wayne Joker is easily one of the best versions of the Joker hands down
She's the only gender-bend that I find interesting.
@@Nae_ex she aint a genderswap tho, she is a AU C:
@@Nae_ex no, there was another one her name was bianca but it was the joker
@@BKsunstarare we forgetting Duella Dent
@@shrekisheck2856and Julie became joker.
Bruce Batman doesn't kill the Joker because of a promise.
Thomas doesn't kill the Joker because that's his wife.
So similar yet so different, I love it.
"All it takes is one bad day"
Literally, that's all it took for Thomas and Martha. And you're right, even when Batman kills, he and the Joker keep playing their sadistic game of theirs, without any of them killing the other, just for different reasons.
I love Flashpoint's batman adaptation. His entire story is very interesting. I would really like to see a video from you on Flashpoint: Beyond
Agreed.
I just think it’s interesting how both Bat(men? man’s?) had totally opposite reactions to the same trauma.
The first, surrounded himself with a new family, after his own was completely lost.
The second isolated himself completely after his family was ripped apart.
I was hoping that Martha Wayne Joker would have been expanded upon. I believe that it was a bad idea to kill her. I would say somehow bring her to the main universe and commit murders in Gotham. I would love to see the reaction of both Batman and the Joker. I believe once the original Joker discovered her Identity he would go out of his way to help her kill more people to screw with Batman's head.
@@eugeneflorence4355 why she would do that? She loves her son. Didn't you notice she became sane for a moment after realizing he is alive.
@@GabidenZhazylbekov don’t you think that would be a great story? Batman confronting his Mom who’s a female Joker? Also the Joker finding out Batman’s mom is a female version of him? They could write a 100 stories from that
The art in this comic is really unnerving, every expression is just so uncanny. Gordon’s face while dying is horrifying
"You wanna know how I got these
scars, honey???"
''if you have no parents your an orphan if you have no spouse you a widow if you lost your child theres no name for that''
Childless.
@@BKsunstarLMAO
@@BKsunstar That's not🥲😮💨
@@BKsunstar
Bratless
DINK
That is awesome, not being able to kill the Joker because she’s his wife is a fantastic take
Even more terrifying than the usual joker
Also interesting to see the trick from The Dark Knight in a comic book, and darker (not sure which came first)
awesome video! id love to know more
9:40 Martha hitting the "I put the new Forgis on the Jeep"
I guess I can ship Batman and Joker without feeling guilty now.
🤦♂️
Fun fact: Real pearls are knotted individually to the strand to avoid them all going flying and scattering if the fragile string ever snaps.
Which means that all of this happened for a fake necklace that costed maybe 50 bucks.
Fun fact comics aren't reality. Irl yeah you are very right but I don't think a comic book artist is gonna have that in consideration, just saying
@@MysticOwlzit’s funny to think about though
A dead giveaway was the shape of the pearls itself but then again, to a person traumatized since he was 8. A 50$ necklace is priceless.
Point is it doesn't fucking matter
laughed so hard when he said "what have you done this time" 6:32
Same
I wonder what the original Joker would think about this Joker?
He'd laugh his off if he knew it was batmans mom.
@@ezekielhernandez1473 Definitely. It'd be so comical to him.
Batman will never live down those "Your mama" jokes
@@samuraijackoff5354
Oh god what if Bruce saw this Joker?
“YO MAMA IS SO JOKER SHED PUT A HOSTAGE IN A JOKER COSTUME TO TRICK GORDON INTO SHOOTING HER AHAHAHA”
"I read as a kid".
Yeah, comics really haven't been for kids for a long time. When I was little, I had the original Age of Apocalypse line. I also had the 4 part ending to the clone saga, where MJ is poisoned into having a miscarriage.
"You want to know where I got these stretch marks?"
Lol.
Personally, I never really liked how flash going back in time to save his mom somehow killed Bruce Wayne but I’ve gotta admit this version of Batman is so cool.
Still can't believe that DC and WB keep passing on great stories from the comics.
I strongly agree. There are decades of excellent stories that haven't been used, including some unusual ones. Two I'd like to see on the big/small screen are:
- "What Ever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow", the last story featuring the Earth-One Superman and one of the darkest Superman stories ever done.
- "Gotham Nights", a four-issue miniseries which is contains four stories featuring people living in Gotham City. Although Batman makes an appearance he is not the main character of the story.
What an absolute masterpiece of a story. Loved every second
your icon made me think my screen was fucked up
This is super messed up but awesome at the same time! I really like the way you cover these stories from the comics!!!
This is such a good story line
Holy hell, that was such a good video 🤩 I love when Batman explores possibilities like this, and your cover was very well done :D I'd love to hear more about this Batman!
This also explains the relationship between Batman and the Joker in the main continuity.
That they need to kiss passionately and maybe die together?
@@nickojackson4820 💀
@@nickojackson4820 Honestly i'd like to see that
Would love to hear more about Flashpoint Batman
So Martha was actually an Asian parent and ran to her death right after knowing her son will never be a doctor!
This was a good story. Why don't DC Comics make stories like this more often.
Make a Video about Flashpoint Superman, he's the most Mysterious character in The Flashpoint Timeline.
Hell yeah cover flash point beyond
A loss of a child can harden the heart of a father.
Yeah do more flashpoint Batman
Brian Azaralo dose some dark stuff
3:08 this is the moment i fell in love with this channel
8:57 that "NooOOoooO" cracks me up
😭😭
This would be one of the few cases where genderswapping a character would make sense as long as it stays true to the character.
A movie or even movie series like this (the whole Flashpoint arc with this being part of it) would be interesting even if it's way too dark for me. However it would most likely earn lots of money
yeah. i like what geoff jones did with all this stories. 3 joker and doomsday clock
10:45 the best scene in this video fr
9:02 “The man and woman fall dead. But, their son lives.” The Batman was born on that day.
I'm just really curious about what happened to the actual Joker in this universe. He doesn't fall in the vat of chemicals and just remains a normal dude?
Your Batman impression scares me
I’m dead😂
Imagine if harley was in the flashpoint universe
Flashpoint Harley Quinn, a DJ Girl who had it all, until something happened, her songs were pirated, or stolen.... and after getting sued over many times, She became insane... beyond saving, shes now a maniac wielding dual pistols. and she raids banks & music stores flawlessly, until the batman shows up...
@@chaoscommentz4582 did you make that up yourself.
@@anthonyfrias5533 Wasn’t there a Harley character in the Flashpoint movie? Thomas Wayne was interrogating her for intel on the Joker, he threw her off the building, but then Cyborg rescued her?
@@alexanderchristopher6237 yeah her name was yo-yo.
Damn u can see they still loved each other they should make n one where she is still joker n Thomas Batman n they get back together
9:00 that moment gave me goosebumps ngl
If you want to go more in depth in this series, Variant Comics did a run on this and was pretty good.
This? th-cam.com/video/BzwczPTOYhY/w-d-xo.html
This is honestly all Thomas' fault. Guys, if you get mugged or robbed, just comply.
Maybe in real life but they might be dead anyways they should have not gone down that alley in the first place.
@@wesleytheanonymous3751 Sure it isn't, tough guy, lol. I've known people in the Army who've killed people who said they would just comply.
Fuck that. Kick the robbers ass.
I loved this different take on Batman origin!
Now if only they make a what if story if Batman was Penguin as in what if Oswald became Batman cos when he was a baby, he was swap place with Bruce for some reason?!
I can’t picture Martha as the joker 🃏 . I personally think the white knight or killing joke joker are the best.
I honestly dig the joker with long hair
me here just wondering where the hell is my man alfred during all this
your batman voice made me smile 10/10
I Liked this Storyline where Bruce's Father becomes batman and his mother turns into the Joker 💚💜💚💜💚
i always love hearing more about flashpoint batman
It's cool as shit to have the same name as Flashpoint Batman. Batman is fantastic by himself, but Batman with my own name is even better lol
Thomas Wayne Batman is so cool! I love this interpretation of this alternate reality. Definitely cover the other continuation!
6:31 caught me off guard with that deep voice
you read this nightmare fuel as a kid?!?!?!?!?!?!
Kinda reminds me of Mrs Stotch from South Park
I like the idea of more of this
I’d like to stay in that elseworld for a bit longer to see everything it’s got to offer
technically it still exist as an alternate universe (in Bruce's snowball), Martha created a machine so she can leave that universe and visit Bruce, she offered Thomas to go with her as well, he convinced her to stay and Kal El revealed that he was send to Earth to see if Earth should be dominate by Krytonian, so Thomas go out to deal with them
You should do flashpoint beyond
do cover the other comic. this one slaps.
The movie justice league flashpoint paradox was heavily based off these comics
Now that’s a knife
new catchphrase
I think losing your child is way way worse than losing your parents. That's a true way to make a darker Batman.
Would be super interested to see you make some long form comic content!!
Ugh I love this comic, such a gut punch at so many different beats of the story. Saddest of all perhaps is that Martha Joker would of course take a reality where they both died and Bruce lived. But if Bruce lived on to be even half as dark and horrible as Thomas Wayne Batman is, to any mother, it’s an unthinkable alternative. Like Thomas basically saying “it’s this horrible reality, or literally the worst fate imaginable for your son, and I’m asking you to choose.” If I were in her shoes, I’d run away screaming from that information, too. She’s not well, canonically she sort of never has been. Her family has a long history of madness. That’s what makes this storyline work so well. Also it’s a heterosexual romantic retelling of the conflict between Bat and Clown, where the Batman reciprocates Joker’s love on some level instead of it being unrequited on every level. It makes it so so sad. Spoilers for flashpoint beyond or whatever, but I almost feel bad she didn’t actually just die there in that cave because having to live with the knowledge that one of the universal constants is supposed to be that Bruce Wayne becomes Batman, as she eventually does, is like one of the worst fictional burdens to put on any one human person’s psyche in any alternate reality. Just like it’s one of the worst and cruelest fictional burdens to put on Bruce Wayne Batman’s psyche that in the Flashpoint timeline, his father becomes an unrecognizable, warped, killer Batman and HIS MOTHER BECOMES THE JOKER. 10/10 concept. Also love the art of this original comic.
Yes man we want more flashpoint stories
Really enjoying the longer clips. Keep up the good work MMC!
What a stupid idea, but it was actually good lol
This story was great. I also liked the one where joker becomes good.
poor joe chilly willy, he didnt want to hurt those lovely people
yes more flash point batman please
moral of the story: the flash is an idiot
Bro I just realized Thomas could have easily saved the kids without anyone getting hurt if that moron Gordon just told him the location
I wonder if normal joker in flashpoint is just a guy chilling on his couch half the time.
That is possible, or maybe the man who would have been The Joker is just a moderately successful comedian. In the Flashpoint Universe Barry Allen was just a police scientist, not The Flash and it is likely that other characters' lives also took a different directions (see Wonder Woman and Aquaman).
Do another flashpoint video
Always love watching these videos
I can swear this thumbnail has changed 3 times now 😭
Would love to listen to flashpoint beyond you gotta do that!
Cool video!
5:32 😮
Bruce being Batman he said it himself without that he would not know the man he would be without it.
Nice vid
In a way, Thomas Wayne is what Bruce would've become if he never hung up the cowl in Batman Beyond, and continued on while using a gun.
Wow would be such a event to see this in the cinema. Cheers
This is the story Warner Bros. should adapt in the DC Cinematic Universe. Now that Flash Film will essentially cover Flashpoint, it is a golden opportunity.
You think you do the vader down story. One of vaders most epic fights.
If they want to make this in live action, who would be best cast as this version of Joker? Personally, I think Florence Pugh can handle it.
8:57 This is kinda…dark.
Would love to hear about Flashpoint Beyond
Thomas Wayne’s Batman = DC Punisher
Thanksgiving's gonna be Hella awkward if they encounter prime universe Bruce.
i whould Love to hear more about Thomas wayne as batman.
As a side note, i love how you wanted the video to be 11 minutes, but for me its 10.59 XD
i was NOT expecting it to be such a dark story LOL
Martha Wayne Joker is so interesting
Yes!! More flashpoint!
Flashpoint Jokeŕ should have been the villain of Tom King's Batman run.
11 MINUTES LET'S FREAKING GOOO
Plz do flashpoint beyond :)