Kierkegaard's Either/Or - Do we only have two choices in life?

แชร์
ฝัง
  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ย. 2024

ความคิดเห็น • 36

  • @moritzkrohn6908
    @moritzkrohn6908 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Love your content, but I hugely disagree on Kierkegaard having avoided marriage to keep his romantic options open. Far from it! He loved this woman beyond belief, took on a vow of celibacy for her and actually considered himself spiritually married to Regine, leaving her all his belongings (including his mansion, which she refused to take) after he died. Apart from meeting people on his walks, he was a loner and a melancholic and devoted himself entirely to his thinking and writing, for which he needed solitude and not a wife to deal with.

    • @moritzkrohn6908
      @moritzkrohn6908 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Illustrating my point, please consider this quote of his: "I cannot quite place her impact on me in a purely erotic sense. It is true that the fact that she yielded almost adoringly to me, pleaded with me to love her, had so touched me that I would have risked everything for her. But the fact that I always wanted to hide from myself the degree to which she touched me is also evidence of the extent to which I loved her… Had I not been a penitent, had my vita ante acta not been melancholic, marriage to her would have made me happy beyond my dreams. But even I, being the person I unfortunately am, had to say that without her I could be happier in my unhappiness than with her - she had touched me deeply, and I would so much, ever so much, have done everything."

    • @moritzkrohn6908
      @moritzkrohn6908 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      One could also say he had an "avoidant" attachment style and couldn't tolerate the intimacy of a "real" relationship. In his book "Repetition" he explains his love to her and how it ultimately - if consummated - would have made both of them unhappy, but not for a lack of love but due to his dreamy and melancholic disposition and her - of course - wanting and deserving a "real" relationship which he couldn't provide.

    • @someromantic754
      @someromantic754 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah agreed

    • @recuerdos2457
      @recuerdos2457 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Does it mean either way, he didn’t love her enough to marry her?! So, whatever reason it was does not really matter, doesn’t it??

    • @FavianShields
      @FavianShields ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah I was pretty surprised to hear that. Kierkegaard was very much in love but felt called to celibacy.

  • @Nick-qf7vt
    @Nick-qf7vt ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Coming from a Christian perspective here:
    I come from a more traditional school of theological thought based about reasoning and the importance of it. But I also love Kirkegaard for just coming out guns blazing and giving both middle fingers to the enlightenment world saying "I choose faith over your precious reason".
    Brilliant man. He understood the hellish blackness of life just as well as Schopenhauer and Nietzsche but doesn't get as much credit.

  • @Sachie465
    @Sachie465 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I can relate to the idea that both aesthetic life and ethical life leads to despair, and despair means being in a wrong relation to oneself.

  • @seyproductions
    @seyproductions ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My problem with the moral life (and why I chose the aesthetic life) is that I see no reward in it. There is nothing to gain from it.
    In my opinion, the best way to take care of others, is to teach them to take care of themselves. For that, I need to learn to take care of myself first. If everyone could take care of themselves by themselves, the world will be a better place.

    • @perthsaha7464
      @perthsaha7464 ปีที่แล้ว

      A huge insight i might say.

  • @Neymarisco123
    @Neymarisco123 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Where did you get the idea that Kierkegaard was conflicted about monogamy? He famously wrote that the reason why he broke off his engagement was because there existed ”something spectral about me, something no one can endure who has to see me every day and have a real relationship with me"
    That sounds more like insecurity than anything else.
    On his fiancée’s wikipedia page, it’s also stated that Kierkegaard believed god was calling him to celibacy.
    None of these things make it sound like he was some player who didn’t want to get tied down.

    • @isaacisaac1130
      @isaacisaac1130 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I am reading this book right now, and for such huge and complicated work this was very shallow video tbh, almost as if he didn't bother to read it.

    • @moritzkrohn6908
      @moritzkrohn6908 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly! However, from reading his biography ("Philosopher of the Heart") and "Repetition", I wouldn't say it was insecurity, either. More like he wanted to be alone with his "melancholia" and his thoughts and writing and not have to bother with the needs and emotions of another person.

  • @sudarshanbadoni6643
    @sudarshanbadoni6643 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Any relationship that gives us a feeling of unharming as exemplary confidence is great thing even being UNCONDITIONAL is a true one. Also either this way or that way is a good approach and not both swinging in life. Thanks.

  • @pedroviaud1119
    @pedroviaud1119 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wether we want it or not, no matter how much we avoid it, life is a definition that we personally make, we define ourselves if we find pleasure in discovering truth, love , commitment, justice or in just pleasure with no responsibilities, that’s why there is only heaven and hell as eternal choice

  • @jasonrose6288
    @jasonrose6288 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent summary. Magnificent artworks, too.

  • @CBbehereNOW
    @CBbehereNOW ปีที่แล้ว

    Really appreciate your channel. You are wonderful! Started with Hesse and 3 later, I'm here. Many thanks 🙏

  • @chrissearer1896
    @chrissearer1896 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Happy Holidays!🎉🎉🎉

  • @90s_child
    @90s_child ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Please make a video on Virginia Woolf

  • @googleg5877
    @googleg5877 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Instant pleasure are short lived ... relations should be slow and steady !!!

  • @skatharaki
    @skatharaki ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Saying Byron came to Greece for the weather is... certainly a choice

  • @Whatever_Happy_People
    @Whatever_Happy_People ปีที่แล้ว

    Hullo I just finished reading a hero of our time that you mention d in a previous video I enjoy d it thankyou.

  • @user-qh4uv5dz7i
    @user-qh4uv5dz7i 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How can it be considered choosing the moral path if it means he bypassed marriage all together?

  • @benjiang9789
    @benjiang9789 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you set up WeChat Pay and Alipay for donations? Thanks.

    • @Fiction_Beast
      @Fiction_Beast  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for suggesting but I don’t have a Chinese bank account. I think Kofi page (PayPal) is the best way to donate.

    • @recuerdos2457
      @recuerdos2457 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Be careful the CCP..

  • @atthis6340
    @atthis6340 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Before talking about Nordic People’s pragmatism and rationalism look up world drinking statistics, we drink alot (speaking as a dane)

    • @Fiction_Beast
      @Fiction_Beast  ปีที่แล้ว

      Two or more generations before you did all the hard work to create societies the world is envious of, at least from a distance. Now you can afford to top the drinking chart because the infrastructure is already built by that Protestant work ethics.

  • @ryan.1990
    @ryan.1990 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whet a square

  • @Eudaimonia88
    @Eudaimonia88 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It would be so nice to click on a TH-cam video and hear someone speak who doesn’t struggle with the English language. It's so tiring to listen to someone who can't pronounce words in English and mumbles his way through 14 minutes of narration. Furthermore, there are factual errors in this video. I don’t recommend this upload as a learning tool. 👎

  • @cmc1517
    @cmc1517 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have never seen anyone interpret Kierkegaard so wrong before

  • @bonggojbihonggo991
    @bonggojbihonggo991 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    👌👌 🇧🇩

  • @MyBeautifulDarkTwistedFantasy6
    @MyBeautifulDarkTwistedFantasy6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Shoutout to Elliott Smith for introducing me to this guy fr fr