Actually CompactFlash uses the Parallel ATA interface, that's why "adapters" are only direct wiring the conectors. As it's a direct interface it doesn't need any "translation" (as it would be for instance, with a SCSI2CF adapter) so I think CompactFlash is a good choice for IDE upgrades in old systems.
I have those in lots of machines. 486 and earlier. I tried on a Pentium machine. The writes are too fast for the card to keep up. Those make 8086's thru 486's act like they got an SSD.
Has anyone encountered such a strange problem on the 386th? There is an adapter and a 256 MB flash card, and when connected to a computer, the image on the monitor stops displaying. As soon as I take the adapter out of the computer, the image appears again
@@renerebe I reconnected the adapter only when the computer was turned off. When there is no image, all postcodes go through and there is not a single error. I don’t even know what to do, the old 40MB hard drive is already dying, and there are few floppy disks left
I ran into some roadblocks when i was trying to get it to boot but it works ok. using a 8gb one with Windows 95 on my gateway solo laptop. SD works too. i have heard that it's not as compatible compared to CF adapters and I have yet to see a machine not recognize the adapter. I have many Socket 5/7, Slot 1, etc. motherboards, and some old laptops, they all recognized the SD card adapters.
Hello! I haven't watched this video yet, but I can safely say: YES! It all depends on the adapter (it's just a pass-trough) and the CF it self. With SD2IDE adapters it's a bit more troublesome since there's a chip on the adapter translating the calls. Cheers! Edit: I was right ;-)
yes, this adapters are purely passive, just wiring the CF to IDE and power pins. I can imagine different brand, generation and capacity CF cards may give different results. I happen to have an "IBM" micro drive from old embedded project stock that I wanted to show in a future video, too ;-)
There is a better option than this. Many embedded systems use Disk-On-Module (DOM) and directly plug into the IDE connector. Swapfiles/Pagefiles should be avoided on non-SSD flash, because there's no intelligent wear-levelling or TRIM option.
no one cares about wear leveling or TRIM on a CF card when there cheep and your running them on vintage computers you power on maybe once a week for a few hours...
When trying to use IDE to CF in things that are not dedicated PC hardwear like multi track recorders these simply don't work i got a startec ide to cf and tried with a tascam 2488 and it does not recognize the adapter i have tested everything CF and adapter simply replacing a IDE HD does not work.
likely depends on implementation details of the CF card, it should be possible to find a compatible one unless they included dedicated code to lock to their approved / sold ones
I'm a little late to this, but I got an HP internet advisor that came with a dead drive. I put a new one in but after doing that it refused to post. After removing the drive It worked again. I'm curious as to what would cause such a thing (if you have any idea)? I'm thinking about getting a cf card and adapter for it but I don't know if it will stop it from working. Edit: oh wow. After I went a little further into your video I saw this board has the same bios!
@@renerebe The cable has the missing pin for orientation and the drive is fully functioning. Could it be something with power draw or a different pinout?
Hi I have logic analyser with a failed hard drive I am trying to replace with compact flash. The adapter card had 3v3 or 5v, how do I know what will be the voltage for the old flash card. I have looked up the number of the flash card but it’s probably very old and I cannot find any information for it. Many thanks. Regards Chris. This is the item I’m restoring th-cam.com/video/mc_vYsNttew/w-d-xo.html
If it is not the interface voltage, but just some flash IC voltage why do bother? Either it is interface voltage you can measure, or not. Do you have a link to the part you are looking at?
SSD-C01G-3550 Silicon Systems. Sorry I did not explain myself properly my apologies.. I was concerned that supplying 5 volts to a 3.3 volt memory device could damage the memory or the computer. I dont know what the voltage specification is for the memory device, I am guessing from the serial number that is 3v3-5V. Thanks for the advice. Do you have any time to help me figure out how i can load the software. This is a link to the forum thread, dont worry if not you must get a lot of requests for help. www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/tla-704-series-logic-analyzer-230110/ +
I did not find the spec for that flash, so no idea if it can operate on either voltage, driving it with too much may obviously damage it, ... Do you have the original software? Otherwise you could install software / OS on another IDE / CF flash equipped PC; or using an USB to CF/IDE adapter like I in maybe this video? I usually use Linux so I have dedicated control over how I use things, without Windows telling me it can't install on this external device or something, ..!
@@pyromiko If you're too thick to get anything out of informative videos like these, there's plenty of content over on tik tok that cater to people with your attention span.
Actually CompactFlash uses the Parallel ATA interface, that's why "adapters" are only direct wiring the conectors. As it's a direct interface it doesn't need any "translation" (as it would be for instance, with a SCSI2CF adapter) so I think CompactFlash is a good choice for IDE upgrades in old systems.
Yes, did I not clearly enough say that?
@@renerebe Sorry I just missed that
I have those in lots of machines. 486 and earlier. I tried on a Pentium machine. The writes are too fast for the card to keep up. Those make 8086's thru 486's act like they got an SSD.
Has anyone encountered such a strange problem on the 386th? There is an adapter and a 256 MB flash card, and when connected to a computer, the image on the monitor stops displaying. As soon as I take the adapter out of the computer, the image appears again
no, IIRC only resetting the machine plugging an IDE drive cable 180° reversed on old, not coded 40-pin connectors, ... :-/
@@renerebe I reconnected the adapter only when the computer was turned off. When there is no image, all postcodes go through and there is not a single error. I don’t even know what to do, the old 40MB hard drive is already dying, and there are few floppy disks left
I ran into some roadblocks when i was trying to get it to boot but it works ok. using a 8gb one with Windows 95 on my gateway solo laptop. SD works too. i have heard that it's not as compatible compared to CF adapters and I have yet to see a machine not recognize the adapter. I have many Socket 5/7, Slot 1, etc. motherboards, and some old laptops, they all recognized the SD card adapters.
The adapters are passive - just wiring the signal pins thru. The difference are some cf cards not supporting classic "true ide" anymore
Hello! I haven't watched this video yet, but I can safely say: YES!
It all depends on the adapter (it's just a pass-trough) and the CF it self. With SD2IDE adapters it's a bit more troublesome since there's a chip on the adapter translating the calls.
Cheers!
Edit: I was right ;-)
yes, this adapters are purely passive, just wiring the CF to IDE and power pins. I can imagine different brand, generation and capacity CF cards may give different results. I happen to have an "IBM" micro drive from old embedded project stock that I wanted to show in a future video, too ;-)
Alex Viralata I guess I just need to give it a try then.
I have heard that CF was more reliable than SD, and more compatible too.
There is a better option than this. Many embedded systems use Disk-On-Module (DOM) and directly plug into the IDE connector.
Swapfiles/Pagefiles should be avoided on non-SSD flash, because there's no intelligent wear-levelling or TRIM option.
All DoM I ever had were pretty slow and such. Cf are quite neat, cheap and easily swapable too.
no one cares about wear leveling or TRIM on a CF card when there cheep and your running them on vintage computers you power on maybe once a week for a few hours...
When trying to use IDE to CF in things that are not dedicated PC hardwear like multi track recorders these simply don't work
i got a startec ide to cf and tried with a tascam 2488 and it does not recognize the adapter i have tested everything CF and adapter simply replacing a IDE HD does not work.
likely depends on implementation details of the CF card, it should be possible to find a compatible one unless they included dedicated code to lock to their approved / sold ones
I'm a little late to this, but I got an HP internet advisor that came with a dead drive. I put a new one in but after doing that it refused to post. After removing the drive It worked again. I'm curious as to what would cause such a thing (if you have any idea)? I'm thinking about getting a cf card and adapter for it but I don't know if it will stop it from working.
Edit: oh wow. After I went a little further into your video I saw this board has the same bios!
Maybe inserted 180 degree reversed shorting some reset pin or so. Or an otherwise dead drive
@@renerebe The cable has the missing pin for orientation and the drive is fully functioning. Could it be something with power draw or a different pinout?
intersting, but... next time check the focus on the camera!
Yes sir!
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Hi I have logic analyser with a failed hard drive I am trying to replace with compact flash. The adapter card had 3v3 or 5v, how do I know what will be the voltage for the old flash card. I have looked up the number of the flash card but it’s probably very old and I cannot find any information for it. Many thanks. Regards Chris. This is the item I’m restoring th-cam.com/video/mc_vYsNttew/w-d-xo.html
If you find no info you could measure it ...
Bits & more by René Rebe how can I measure it ? This is the flash core operating voltage not the power coming from the computer?
If it is not the interface voltage, but just some flash IC voltage why do bother? Either it is interface voltage you can measure, or not. Do you have a link to the part you are looking at?
SSD-C01G-3550 Silicon Systems. Sorry I did not explain myself properly my apologies.. I was concerned that supplying 5 volts to a 3.3 volt memory device could damage the memory or the computer. I dont know what the voltage specification is for the memory device, I am guessing from the serial number that is 3v3-5V. Thanks for the advice. Do you have any time to help me figure out how i can load the software. This is a link to the forum thread, dont worry if not you must get a lot of requests for help. www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/tla-704-series-logic-analyzer-230110/
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I did not find the spec for that flash, so no idea if it can operate on either voltage, driving it with too much may obviously damage it, ... Do you have the original software? Otherwise you could install software / OS on another IDE / CF flash equipped PC; or using an USB to CF/IDE adapter like I in maybe this video? I usually use Linux so I have dedicated control over how I use things, without Windows telling me it can't install on this external device or something, ..!
boooring
At least you got it for free
@@renerebe time is no free
@@pyromiko 🎣
@@renerebe 👌
@@pyromiko If you're too thick to get anything out of informative videos like these, there's plenty of content over on tik tok that cater to people with your attention span.