PROOF Cardio is a Myth (Sorry
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@@aaronnordstrom788 you are a true beta male. Go and do your multiple sets.
Hey Jay, might be interesting if you react to some vids. For example(bodyweight training vs weight training): th-cam.com/video/-JXt2Luo4gs/w-d-xo.html
73 yrs-old. HIT 1xWk. No "cardio". On occasion, a bit of running , jumping, or rapid stair-climbing's required, to get where I'm going on time: Never a problem. No injuries, no arthritis, no heavy breathing,(except at the workout:^).
@H87 lifting is cardio
@H87 5secs here & there: catch a bus , beat a light, etc: Sprinting.
Yeah sure, but try 8 hours manual labour. Now your HIT may help, but my money is on the marathon runner, the distance cyclist, traiathlete or whatever. Your HIT has made you better at HIT. It has made you better at going all out for a minute or two.
@@stevepace-first8617 Hey I know I'm a year late, but you're totally wrong. I'm a blue collar guy. I work outdoors in the GA heat all day. I do HIT once a week. I outwork all my coworkers, easily, some of them by 3-4x. And I look good doin it.
@@3van3rown Ok, but maybe not quite the scenario I was depicting. Take two sedentary office workers say, one who did HIT, the other a triathlete, and put them in an unfamiliar manual labour environment.
Now, when I worked as a labourer on a building site, I did hit one day a week, Saturday, but I was familiar with the work, I had been going on and off since a teen helping my dad.
At the moment I am doing a full body three times per week routine, mon and fri I squat, wednesday i deadlift.
You should team up with Bark Kay. Guys have something in common both proved I’ve been wrong along about everything. He proved CICI is a MYTH and you proved CARDIO is a myth.
Note Greg that all he is saying is that the benefits of High intensity training will already give you your best cardio potential; that does not mean that cycling/ running /punching bag can’t be recreational activities that you can become better at, because of skill.
Your heart will be healthy with an intense lifting routine and diet, no need for more, unless you enjoy those other activities.
Cico is true but when you’re consuming a ton of PUFA which lowers your metabolism, the calories in lower the calories out. The whole “eat less move more” ideology is a way for the elite to put the blame on the individuals rather than the terrible food system, with pufa and HFCS in everything. The ray peat community has some great info on the topic. Bart kay probabsly misrepresented the anti cico argument, he’s a keto retard
Your video on lizzo perfectly encapsulates the “eat less and move more” ideology. You focus on the amount of food rather than the fact she’s eating LOADS of PUFA with every meal, which is the real issue
@ Greg Doucette
Exactly, why do cardio to loose weight when all you need to do is hack off a couple limbs and extend your life. This guy was a “recognized and published fitness model” and Bart Kay is an experienced professor who has never worked at any universities other than the ones he made up in his mind after a long day of binge drinking 🫠
@@caribbeanseas meat rider alert 🚨
Jay, your content is 💯 .. An individual cannot isolate aerobic/anaerobic metabolic pathways specifically, so it’s illogical to pick a cardio specific exercise, as the primary reasons for cardiovascular improvement are happening because of the metabolic systems within the muscles. Example: study - cycling one leg for a period of a month only should “cardio vascular improvements” when that leg was being used on the cycle, when the other leg was used (which hadn’t been trained) there were no improvements in cardio. If you jog a lot, you’ll get better at sustaining that, if you box a lot you will get better at sustaining that, but jogging doesn’t necessarily improve one’s stamina when boxing and vice versa.
As a boxer what you said about traditional cardio (what we call roadwork) I have to say is spot-on. Muscular efficiency built when throwing a punch while simultaneously timing our breathing & defense is done in the ring when doing those exact movements i.e. sparring.
Anytime I had a running protocol it never transferred over into my sparring because that requires a different efficiency of movement. Thank you, Mr. Vincent! 💎
I did boxing and the point is that the easy cardio makes it easier to do the hard cardio but you still have to do the hard cardio, be it from sparring or other activity. You may say, just do sparring, fine, OK, so how much? How much sparring to become a champ. Hours and hours or a few minutes twice a week?
@@stevepace-first8617 you are so stupid. Why would you do a non skill based training(Resistance exercise) and then do a skill based training twice a week??? LOL
Lift once/twice(I prefer once) a week for the muscles you use for boxing, AND do skill based training EVERY DAY. Skill in boxing is much more important.. therefore, the more you practice, the better and faster punching you get. You lose skill VERY fast. So I would argue to train skill more often.
@@stevepace-first8617 This is where we enter the realm of specificity rather than conditioning transfer. If we're getting ready for a fight we have to train specifically for a fight. Make the training as close to fight night as you can. How it's done is where a coach's genius really shines because we have to replicate a fight without incurring damage leading up to it. We've all heard of fighters being knocked out in sparring then comes fight night & their KO button has already been punched making it easy to punch again.
A sterile training environment can change the intensity of sparring while still training the lungs how to breathe & the body to move more efficiently. As the fight gets closer the sparring intensity is increased to ensure peak performance on fight night. That's another caveat. Sparring is to be done at the time the fighter will be entering the ring/cage.
As much as Mayweather ran & roped I believe his REAL cardiac output came from his sparring sessions where he would spar continuously with no round separation for upwards of 30 minutes or more. However, the intensity was not nearly as that of a fight. Mayweather is the best defensive boxer ever which explains how he came out without nearly as much head trauma as his counterparts.
He learned to relax & have fun in the ring which..transferred..to his fights making his victories look incredibly easy. Except for Maidana 1. If I had to say he lost one fight it'd be that one.
So what have you won there champ, so Mike Tysone was wrong about his training. Thanks Champ
@@Axelcat11 Thank you for proving logic always wins.
I live in the PNW and climb mountains as my 'sport'. Before I started climbing mountains I was a gym rat and in fact I am still a gym rat. I can tell you, over the years when I have led climbs, the "jacked" guys are always the slowest on the rope teams. You NEED cardio for this. No amount of weightlifting based cardio adaptations is going to prep you for a climb.
You just proved his point exactly. If you're going to climb, you need to climb to get efficient and proficient at it. He explained movement efficiency and skill transfer PLENTY of times in multiple videos.
his other videos and recommended research goes into this. Basically, for skill-based activities, such are rock climbing, with practice your body will become more efficient and thus your "cardio" improves because your neurological system creates small improvements to economize movement and energy. Also, you will gain subtle skills and abilities through experience that allow you to maximize your efficiency. Newbies don't have the experience and so waste a lot of effort doing things that experienced climbers have no issue with.
Furthermore, endurance and cardio are not transferable from one activity to another, or even body part to body part. "Body by Science" talks about this. In essence, your body makes very specific adaptations to very specific activities in order to preserve energy and economize movement. If you start a new activity, your previous adaptions are useless and you will will "start from zero"
Jay would make more money if he said what people WANT to hear. But, he’s telling your what’s real, based on physics and engineering.
😢 This is the WORST and most unnecessary take on fitness I’ve ever heard. First, an overweight person is not going to lose weight if they only do cardio and don’t go into an energy deficit. I don’t believe *anyone* would argue that. One could hypothetically maintain the same diet and burn 300 extra calories a day simply by doing 30 minutes of cardio. The stereotypical people he’s using who think owning a bike or not being consistent over a period of time (the majority?) are the ones you see at the classes not losing weight. Those same people wouldn’t stick to his program either.
That’s not the worst part of this video however. His misunderstanding of the difference between cardio (greek word kardia meaning HEART) and muscular endurance is blatantly obvious. I’m quite certain he has some sponsors coaching him through what to say as he’s not necessarily wrong, he’s simply misapplying his information as a one-size fits everybody solution.
There are MANY people, including competitive athletes who don’t seek to lift for pure hypertrophy and desire to only gain as much strength as possible…many train in combat sports and have weight classes.
Then there are women who don’t want to gain tons of muscle and only desire to stay fit and not overweight. Those women would do well with cardio and maintaining the same caloric input.
Also, sprinting places 6x your body weight in force on your joints and muscles so running is far more than simply a “neurological adaptation”. I could go into more examples but this is simply a ridiculous take. If he kept his message simple and stated those who only want to get as much hypertrophy as they physiologically can with the least amount of work through his program he’d have a point.
Its his insistence on stepping outside of his area of expertise that is causing him to not make as much money.
Addressing only your first paragraph, your case is waxing a little straw man argument. He’s bombastic so I understand why. But he’s saying that, in your example, if doing 30 min of cardio burned an extra 300, your body would eventually attempt to expend less during that “cardio” and would further reduce your resting rate to further compensate. Yes, to make claims as to how much or to what extend is be but the concept is true. Think of during prep, one gets cold even in summer because your caloric intake is in complete poverty so your body compensates by reducing the amount of expenditures such as make it heat. Feel free to attack his childish attitude but what he’s talking about is a solid concept, on that part
@@johnbelt7676 No, the strawman is on his behalf. There is a such thing as progressive cardio just as there is progressive resistance training. In that case you simply pick up the pace or walk/run/cycle/row a little further. His stance on fitness is terrible. EVERYONE isn’t trying to be a muscle bound meathead.
Even still he does NOT know the difference between muscular endurance and heart strengthening. He’s clueless.
We won’t even go into the myriad of studies proving cardio does wonders for depression and even curtailing addictive behaviors by controlling the hormone FGF21.
Hands down the worst advice on youtube. The irony is that he actually has a product of value and substance beneath his clickbait.
@@thev3432 your example departed from my point and your first paragraph…. Or you actually just provided evidence for my point unknowingly.
The way your describing cardio could have nothing to do with the metabolic process but the economy of movement and associated factors. That doesn’t need to include improvements in anaerobic metabolic function. It sounds like you’re attempting to explain an efficiency regarding molecular crowding or rate per enzyme. Those improvements do exist but by definition only occur in the anaerobic state as crowing limits the metabolic rate.
I really don’t think either side here fully understands the difference because they don’t even use the same terms. I suppose they are related because both involve physical movement but we’re taking about a cellular process not walking or running.
@@johnbelt7676 nicely put. This V guy knows too much of nothing. When you exercise, your muscles doesn’t know cardio from resistance exercise. All it knows is how hard the muscles are contracting; and with that, associates itself with three forms of energy metabolic processes which also “ coincidentally” associated with three main forms of muscle fibers. Be it Oxidative, Glycolytic, or PCr system. When at rest, Oxidative system is in primary use. When moving or lifting, Glycolytic is in use. In glycolysis, glycogen in muscles is cleaved out. Split into pyruvate, water, atp, and nadh. The pyruvate gets sucked into mitochondria where it is either turned into lactate or participates in the Krebs cycle. The rate at which you clear out lactate clearly depends on the amount of enzymes within the mitochondria, the number of mitochondria, and how much oxygen is present. How do you improve mitochondrial function and number? Simple, you overwhelmed the mitochondria of the need for more energy. In other words, you work harder than it can compensate for energy. When you work harder, the muscle produces lactate. That lactate accumulation is literally the stacked up by product of energy metabolism until such time you hit your threshold, stopping the exercise, OR enough oxygen is present for lactate to split back into hydrogen ions and pyruvate creating water(H20) and for pyruvate to participate in Krebs cycle if enough oxygen is present.
Put simply, the aerobic segment only supports anaerobic function. To improve cardiovascular system, just lift weights! Don’t like it? Go for a sprint. Cardio IS INEFFECTIVE for healthy normal functioning individuals!
The rest of what he said can be simply smacked out because it all involves skill. A neurological adaptation.
I think what Jay means is that cardio is not essential to building muscle or getting lean. however, cardio is fantastic for the heart, circulatory and even the brain. 1 to 2 sessions a week of simply walking is good enough.
Why?
Did you not watch this? Cardio does most of what hit does to the cardiovascular system but to a lesser degree and much less safely and inefficiently
Congratulations you watched a whole video without understanding anything about what has been said
You cannot isolate aerobic/anaerobic metabolic pathways specifically, so it’s illogical to pick a cardio specific exercise, as the primary reasons for cardiovascular improvement are happening because of the metabolic systems within the muscles. Example: study - cycling one leg for a period of a month only should “cardio vascular improvements” when that leg was being used on the cycle, when the other leg was used (which hadn’t been trained) there were no improvements in cardio. If you jog a lot, you’ll get better at sustaining that, if you box a lot you will get better at sustaining that, but jogging doesn’t necessarily improve one’s stamina when boxing and vice versa.
I love Jay's science based information , before I found his channel I was on the cusp of full blown diabetes from horrible food choices was 50 lbs overweight and during covid all gyms were shutdown ... which didn't help,my doc gave me a come to Jesus talk , so I went back to the gym that same day , my arthritic hip and low back didn't allow me to do cardio anymore so I decided to do 3 full body circuits no rest between sets lifting as heavy as I could , and I lowered my carbs doing keto ..within 3 months I lost all the weight my blood work normalized went down to a 34 waist and my resting pulse went from 98 ( scary) to 67 .. and my body looks good , i got my health & energy back , since finding Jay's channel I have made the change to full body hit 2 x a week and my strength has increased quite a bit and its also nice not being in the gym 5 days a week ~
About the time spending in gym, its so true. I am in and out in 20-30 mins max, feel like cheating. Don’t know what else to do for the time I have saved, we were so much conditioned to spend time in gym, thats the hard part to overcome.
@@karthikeyanvenu1the program is perfect for me, grew so bored of lifting I found it so hard to go to the gym just to do 1-1.5 hours of lifting 3 times a week, now all I need is to put 20-30 minutes and get the same if not better effect only twice a week. Can’t understand dudes who basically live in there, I got better things to do.
Thanks for adding home workout 3 mnths after purchase of golden era syst. This came as a surprise.
I need my walking and running for my mental health and overall fitness stamina. I also need the strength training routine for my strength and to look and feel good. 😊😊
I can only add 1 thing, the best thing you can do Is listen to your body for proof. I stopped doing cycling years and years ago. I started strength training and started doing HIT this year. I rode my bike a while back after years and my endurance was shockingly very good! Even when I didn't ride my bike for a very long time. So in my personal opinion this is solid proof strength training works your endurance as wel! Side note: slow reps speed, 1 set of squats is like running a marathon. Just try it, that 1 set is pure horror for the worked muscle and your endurance, heart rate wil rise also. Even with a slow rep speed. It's mind blowing.
I race bikes. I could so 185 watts for rides when I started biking and now I can do over 300. Im way more fit now.
My one set of squats with a 45 lbs plate is a slow cadence up and down maybe like and 8 8 with 2 second hold at the bottom no coming up and locking out the knees. Constant tension on the muscles to complete muscular failure. Its probably the most excruciating demanding physically taxing exercise Ive ever done. Ive done swimming, running sprint up hills ,you name it. Nothing compares.
No, this is completely incorrect. Because by your logic if you do enough strength training you can become an athlete, so you're saiyng for an athlete, they should do resistence training and only run the marathons as long as they don't get too big? No, that makes no sense at all. If you want to maximize your cadriovascular endurance you have to do a mix of steady state and HIIT, to get cardiovascular improvements you need to get your heart under as much stress as you can reasonably recover from over as much time as possible and proper strength training is arguably a lot like HIIT, well still lower cardiovascular demand than HIIT, but that stimulates the muscles mostly, while with steady state and HIIT you use or muscles a lot, but you don't put big demand on any specific muscle group, so really a bit of common sense pretty much debunks this. However if you just wanna get gains and don't care about your health, then sure you don't need to do cardio at all, but if you want both then you must combine resistence training with cardio. If this isn't enough, just try to look at a variety of studies without any biases, and if you think you're not biased, most likely deep inside of you, you still are. So just keep that in mind.
EDIT: Now that i watched more of your video, i noticed that you're contradicting yourself. So you're saiyng as you get bigger and stronger you desire to move more, to do recreational activities that involve movement wich is true (and you encourage doing it?), but then you're also saiyng steady state cardio does nothing, while in fact those activities are they themselves considered steady state cardio, so your message is really confusing, my best interpretation is that you're saiyng we should little cardio and focus mostly on resistance/strength training, and that's just wrong, just look at the studies wich compare cardio vs no cardio in people who do resistance training you'll see that the individuals who do cardio are always more fit, because it does provide cardiovascular benefits, idk wether it's through that AMPK pathway or something else but it's very clear that it does help.
You don’t really understand what you’re talking about. Nothing you said makes any sense.
@@JayVincentFitness Maybe i don't have the clearest of explanations, but at least i don't contradict myself, and i think that anyone that actually knows how to interpret outcome studies and dosen't cherry pick them will agree with that steady state cardio is a must for longevity, cardiovascular endurance, etc even if you're doing resistance training.
@@JayVincentFitness So just because my english skills may not be as good as yours (because english isn't my native language) it dosen't mean that i don't know what i'm saiyng. Like this is just a strawman argument... at least have some integrity when you're responding to constructive criticism.
@@loganwolv3393bro you are absolutely right. Ignore this clown
Hey Jay. I find your arguments to be reasonable and I believe you that cardio isn't really needed besides HIT training from a physiological point of view. Anyway, I have to say, that light hiking or jogging have showed so many psychological benefits for me that I'd really have a hard time to drop them completely. Cardio literally got me out of depression and probably saved my life. That said, I have seen some slowing of strength and gains doing cardio, that's why I have the question: How much steady pace weekly cardio do you find to be tolarable in order to not compromise any muscular development completely?
I think under an hour, heart rate zone 2 is tolerable.
You’re addicted to the endorphin rush, no different than a drug addict. Research ray peat on endorphins on why this is not a good thing
Well yeah, but i think you mean the upper portion of steady state cardio because HIIT is really really faitguing, and it mostly gives you short term endurance advantage, so really you're getting a lot but in very short period of time, so really the net gain in cardiovascular endurance is not as much as steady state, so for max benefit you gotta balance intensity and time.
@@nate8415 It dosen't sound like he's addicted to it to me. You can in theory can get addicted to pretty much anything, and to prevent potential addictions you gotta get your enjoyment from as many sources as possible. That way you're overall happy with your life and things like alcohol is less likely to get you addicted.
@@nate8415 You are beyond stupid. Take note, everyone. This is where hyper-logical midwit thinking without any sought of common sense leads you.
I'd like to see an interview with you and Bart Kay. You guys seem to have very similar opinions on exercise, both coming from very different backgrounds
I noticed him and Bart also , that thye have similar opninions. Both are quacks
Reverend Jay, continue to preach that word! Save the masses from their fitness trespasses.
Good work, my brother...
Cardio works great for me and got me to the bodyfat I wanted while keeping the majority of my strength.
85% of the United States population falls into the categories of overweight or obese. Up from 65% in 2012. More gym memberships, more personal trainers, more workouts shared on social media, but the problem only gets worse because people don't understand basic physiology. Thanks Jay keep it up brother!
Ya it must be because people do so much cardio that obesity is so high now. Thanks for the tips. Perhaps covid saved lives by forcing many people to stay home and not do cardio?
Lol 😂 Not that cardio doesn’t have its place and I agree if people are more fit they have a better chance of fighting things like Covid. Almost every athlete has had it and kicked it.
I asked you point blank if you'd taken gear or had anything to do with it and you told me "NO".
98.625% agree.
Curious, what didn’t you agree with?
Subjectively, I feel better when I'm doing weights and endurance activities. I enjoy running long distances and it's almost meditative to put in my headphones and run or bike. I do more than is necessary just to maintain physical health but it's nice to have the HIT workout that leaves me time to do this.
Exactly. Properly exercising has afforded you the ability to perform those activities and have the time to practice those skill sets.
If you were to do, only "cardio", I doubt you'd have the same results.
Congrats on your success🙌
I run 3 miles a day for psychological reasons as well as respiratory. That said, I could use a good strength training programe
And that's the benefit of running I love it
Do both like I do perfect
@@sman53 me too man i love lifting more its way more fun too me, but there is somthing about running that really helps with my mental health
Jay, adding on top of this video. What is your take on fasting and incorporating it in our fitness journey.
That is so true. I used to box when I was younger and I was able to go 8 or 10 rounds no problem sparing with my boxing guys. I took a break and joined track and field at my college, had logged many miles and did hill springs for a summer. Came back to boxing and died in the ring lol
Any comments on getting caught with steroids Mr Jay ?
is he on the juice ? 👀
Gym rat + lab rat = genius. Keep up the great work bro & spreading truth!
if your goal is to have a high vo2 max and run far and fast or be a professional fighter then lifting weights slowly is a waste of time and cardio is a must
It is truth.
I accidentally tested it.
3 weeks into HIT training and yesterday I had to run to take the subway.
It felt like nothing after a great sprint.
0 cardio, only HIT.
No matter how intense i train, walking stairs keeps being difficult lmao. gonna do stairmaster just for that.
I think cardio should be, do as much work in short amount of time. i was bad at running, i did crossfit for 3 months and it significantly improved my running capacity.
i do 1 set of slow rep goblin squats with the 120lb dumbell and the set takes me 1:30 seconds and by the time I fail my heart is ready to jump out my chest. It takes me 5 minutes to recuperate. I can do cardio at a fast pace for 45 minutes and my heart doesn't pund like that. proof is in the pudding. Try it once if you dont beleive me. Cardio is a joke
@@Shawn-hs8qk holding a dumbell or kettlebell by your chest and squat
You don’t need your heart to pound to prove anything, just elevated for a period of time, take everything he says with a pinch of salt
try that next time to the song "bring sally up"
I like this guy and I like Greg Doucette. To be fair to Greg, he’s on record saying that you can get lean with diet alone.
For what it’s worth. I just feel better with some cardio like elliptical.
You are absolutely correct about cardio being a myth, and yes it's Dr Cooper who started it. I even mention him in my forthcoming book, "Cavemen Weren't Fat".
The reason I was able to figure it out was through evolutionary thought. As animals, us humans evolved to get fit the quickest when we exercise intensely, that's because we have what's called a 'fight or flight' mechanism. Our ancestors had to either fight intensely, or run away from danger as quickly as possible to survive. This is why intense exercises like weightlifting or sprinting are the most effective and rapid ways to get fit.
The mistake Dr. Cooper made was believing that how much fat you were burning during an exercise is what matters. The reality is that your body increases it's fitness level while you are resting or sleeping, not while you are exercising.
Cooper figured out that you burn the maximum amount of fat calories while exercising at between 65-80 percent of your maximum heart rate.
This does not really matter, because like you said, any fat you burn during exercise is just put back. It's the fitness gains you make while you are resting that are stimulated by intense exercise that ultimately get you fitter, and leaner, so if you want people to get fit really quick, in addition to weight lifting, you should advise your clients to do some sprinting. The more intense, the better.
So Kipchoge should just do HIT workouts now to improve his marathon running?
@@abender06 I'm no expert in how marathoners get fitter, but I do know that they add intensity to make themselves fitter and able to increase their times. I think they do interval training where they run faster for a certain amount of time to get faster. This is adding intensity, same idea I'm talking about.
@ClassicJukeboxBand yea no question training hard with good recovery is the key. But I think there is a difference between muscles and associated body systems that are built to be big and strong versus muscles and body systems that are built to do work over long periods of time. It's not about body type. The biology literally builds itself differently.
@@abender06 Ok, makes sense to me.
@@abender06 My thoughts are based on evolution, and I believe we get fit the quickest by mimicking fighting and running from danger...we evolved to get fit quick this way because it may mean the difference between life and death.
Greg Doucette talks about doing cardio for fun and heart health. I know Cringelord Jay Vincent will try to get fame off Gregs name but this is ridiculous.
Brilliant, as a distance athlete, I have been training for years via distance training... this is true, interval training is far superior
So studies like one recently published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine that look at over 400000 US adults are wrong? They found that aerobic activity combined with muscle strengthening activity provided the most benefit for decreasing all cause mortality. Far cry from cardio killing you at 57.
Compared to what? Your statement means nothing.
@@npplscorpion compared to no exercise. Cardio alone provided benefit, weight training alone provided benefit and doing both together provided the most benefit. You don't want to do cardio that's fine, your going to get a lot of benefit from weight training. There are so many ways it improves your life. But this guy says cardio is going to kill you faster and that just blatenly not true.
quick rebuttal!! yeah! tagging greg doucette is like slapping his face with facts lol!
As much as I want to believe this, it seems that most descriptions about the pathways activated in cardio vs weights are quite different. I’m not particularly well read in this field, but quick searches seem to confirm that it’s largely mTOR rather than AMPK pathways that follow weight training, and these pathways eventually compete against each other. I personally love weights and hate cardio so I would love it if this wasn’t the case, but according to most it seems like it is
Greg.. take notes.
Man, thank you so much for bringing this info out and your systems. I've been doing the home
HIT only for about 3 months and my arms are bigger than they were when I was in my 20's working out 5 times a week for years while WORKING AT THE GYM. Big truth bombs being spoke, props.
I think there is a problem with definitions with some of this stuff. The definition of what in shape means is a problem. Like some people think being able to run a marathon means you are in shape. Some people think having sub 10% body fat means you are in shape. Or they might think being able to do x number of pullups/pushups etc. I don't think doing HIT training is going to give one the ability to run a marathon or a triathlon. Doing HIT training is not going to turn you into a competitive powerlifter. Yes HIT training is hard but from a real world standpoint what will you be better at? For example I suspect if you took a marathon runner and had them take a hike in the mountains they will be less out of breath than someone doing HIT training instead. I mean that is a real world singular example. Another real world example. It would be cool to be able to handle that kind of stress and do that sort of thing recreationally. Am I wrong on this? Not trying to be argumentative or snarky just trying to understand it.
You seem pretty spot on to me tbh, we need a consistent definition of what in shape is. Because depending on the definition, even exercising or HIT would be considered doing too much or going overboard.
I mean I think one way to sell this idea of HIT is that if you are an average person and you want to build some general strength and increase a bit of muscle mass with very little risk of injury, then okay yeah I think Hit does that. If you are training for explosive type sports or you have some specific goals e.g. be able to run a long distance and you are will to accept some risk of injury then I don't think HIT is going to get you to your goals.
Cooper was not wrong. He was actually spot on!
You have totally misinterpreted what he said!
He does not anywhere promote doing long slow low intensity training!
Unless you consider running 3 miles in 21minutes long and slow!!!
I don't understand the injury point. Strength training causes injuries as well. I do steady both state jogging and strength training regularly . I've had far more injuries from lifting than jogging.
Yessir ! Greg is just brainwashed to an extent . Still has good info
I really appreciate everything presented here. Based on what I know and have read, it’s scientifically valid. However, Jay’s rebuttal to the, “you have to move every day” argument is not given it’s due in this video.
There are specific reasons (beyond a very narrow definition of health) that the CDC and AHA recommend a minimum of 150 minutes of moderate intensity cardio per week (or 75 minutes of vigorous cardio). One major reason is that the medical community has a broad definition of health that also includes disease prevention and cognitive health (I don’t think these are included in Jay’s definition of health).
A primary reason that major health authorities recommend more cardiovascular activity (that elevates and sustains heart rate) is the evidence that, increased, frequent and sustained blood flow to the brain, and in general, have positive and significant long-term effects on disease prevention and cognitive health. Are there other ways to achieve these benefits besides jogging etc.? Perhaps, but we can’t yet say that HIT or interval training are the holy grail.
Maybe 20 minutes of weekly strength training will stave off disease to the same degree as meeting current minimum health guidelines, but a maybe isn’t certainty.
Again, the theory Jay is presenting is promising and has significant supporting evidence, but he is defining health more narrowly than does the medical community, hence their disagreement. Maybe one day we will have enough evidence to validate HIT as the holy grail of overall long-term health (I hope it is), but we are lacking evidence to say so conclusively at this point.
He points out that the major health bodies are conservative and slow to change, but also notes that they DO make changes once they have complete evidence. I think the tides are turning in favor of what Jay is promoting, but there is still scientific work to be done on this question.
I still haven’t heard anything back in regards to a a refund which is supposed to be guaranteed. I think Jay Vincent scammed me.
Yeah Jay, I disgree. While I agree that it's not necessary, that doesn't mean it's not beneficial. Brushing your teath isn't "necessary," but think we can all agree that it's beneficial. You've cherry picked your studies, and are simply parroting Doug Mcguff, while ignoring vast swaths of evidence to the contrary. You've focused on the negatives of cardio, while ignoring the benefits. You're also selling your training services, which does not include cardio, creating a conflict of intertest. If someone doesn't want to do cardio, that's fine, but to say it has no benefit is absurd.
Sets out a good case but I am still hesitant. I have seen for myself that lots of low heartrate training, and it does not matter how you get it, just keep the heart rate at a max of 180-age and up to ten beats below (the MAFFETONE formula) has tremendous results. I agree, no specific movement is cardio but I think there is a time factor involved. Why the hell are athletes spending hours and hours running, cycling etc (and I mean dedicated athletes who compete in those events) if they made no difference? Nor am I conviced that there is no transfer. Sure a marathon runner will not hop on a bike and produce an equal performance, but it will be a good one, and far better than the couch potato. If as you say there is no cardio benefit to doing anything bar your 2x HIT sessions, why is it important to do anything whatsoever beyond that if yu do not have to? I will happily sit at my computer at home and at work and go to bed as much as I can if there is no tangible benefit to movement beyond HIt. Why advocate it at all? But I doubt it is so simple.
I agree. I was going to pose a similar question myself. I feel that the true benefit of traditional cardio does come from prolonged periods of time with an elevated heart rate. Now, I agree with Jay on all the points that proper weightlifting can improve cardiovascular health because I have experienced it myself. However, after going extensive periods of time without doing traditional cardio or even playing sports, I have noticed a decline in my own long-term endurance. The short term cardio is there from weightlifting, but I feel as if another type of long-form cardio endurance does not get trained through strength training. I believe that a program with 2-3 days of high intensity strength training like Jay's program supplemented with a single day of long-form cardio may be optimal. The single day of long-form cardio will not be enough to contribute to excessive amounts of joint wear, at least in my opinion, but then you still get practice improving the long-form cardiovascular health and the cardiovascular improvements made at the muscular level as Jay mentioned. Additionally, I have noticed that many people's calves respond much better to high-volume approaches, which is what you would get from long-form cardio. So if that's a muscular area that is lacking for you, supplementing with 1 day of long-form cardio may suffice.
I'd been following your advice for months before getting married in Hong Kong. My wife kept taking pictures of us and I realised I'd become a ****ing beast.
Aren't there are bunch of studies showing Higher Vo2max = reduced all cause mortality? I just don't think lifting will raise Vo2Max anywhere near some forms of Cardio. LISS cardio is like lifting but getting your BPM of heart up and holding it near max or intervals creates adaptations I certainly can't replicate throwing iron around
You cite just one research article to back you up on this claim?????? Sounds alot like an infomercial.
The research reviewed dozens of studies looking into the physiological adaptations associated with cardio.
People tend to confuse skill building with exercise.
Proper exercise comes first, then the sport (or skill building) practiced after.
Baseball players don't necessarily make great football players.
Marathon runners realize they don't have the "cardio" (or more accurately, the skill set) be an Olympic swimmer and vice versa.
The debate of skill transference is sorely lacking.
What an amazing scientific way of dunking this cardio myth. This was so much more professional than sorry ass screaming butt hurt Greg doucette speech. He never even spoke with any science literature on why cardio is necessary. Clearly you won this debate With facts Jay. Good job.
Exactly Greg doucette says how cardio workouts saved his dad when he had a heart attack lol if that was the case then his dad would not get a heart attack if cardio workouts saved him ..
@@nickelbothello6210 Lmaooo forreal! I just think greg is big believer in it because he feels healthy doing it which is fine cuz clearly he has a good physique and hes happy doing it but he still never gave a science based research answer on why cardio is beneficial only if you do running biking etc. You can still get that cardiovascular benefit that everyone wants by doing HIT training with weights and not pussying out before true failure. Most people dont kknow how to do a proper failure set.
Just eating my 🍿 watching TH-cam fitness influencers beef. I thought I’ve seen it all. 🤦♂️
Jump rope in boxing does help your bounce while fighting.
Very good video, but the American Heart Association still maintains that saturated fats should not exceed 5-6% of total caloric intake.
Dude you take test so a lot of stuff isn’t as necessary for you as it is for naturals. You should make that very clear in all your videos. I take TRT as (150 a week which is a low dose) and my strength and be overly went thru the roof. It was also much easier to maintain a lean physique on the TRT vs not. I can eat off my diet 2-3 times a week now without a single issue to my physique. Being on steroids makes a huge difference brother.
TRT has nothing to do with his recommendations. What he’s saying should help anyone. Of course better results will come through TRT though. In the least what he said will turn a person in the right direction of results. Building muscle instead of pumper workouts.
@@jsagers2008 what I’m pointing out is he is on TRT but he used to claim he was natural. And now that he has been outed as being on TRT, he tried to claim being on TRT is not actually being on steroids which is total BS. My other point is when you’re on TRT “pumper workouts” are a amazing way to get incredible results without having to stress your joints. I guess I’m just looking for a TH-cam fitness personality to actually be truthful. Wishful thinking on my part though. But I do get and agree with what you stated.
@@therealdomesticatedsavage724 Didn’t know that. I take TRT because I’m 40. Just an attempt to keep me at my optimum natural levels. Some dudes could take a high dose and look like Vitor Belfort. Me I’m just hanging on to what’s left. 😂
Prove it
Gregg's interpreting the information as if you don't need cardio at all, and not as an addition to the weight training. That could be the issue here.
The actual correct answer is, DO BOTH
You can make all the excuses you want but there is a clear difference in endurance and cardio ability of some one who does both compared to some one who just lifts.
Greg will not respond to this, he just like to scream instead of adressing actual facts
A lot of Greg’s videos are response videos. He might do one for this.
@@MailmanMuscle he didn’t respond to the Greg is wrong about HIT video. He won’t respond when you show your evidence
@@PapeySapote I’m not saying Greg will definitely respond, just that I wouldn’t rule it out. I won’t be surprised either way.
@@aaronnordstrom788 by screaming even more, jay already made a video about the one set to failure debate and disprove everything he said, still havent respond
@@aaronnordstrom788 Jay's a hater because he's making a statement?
You on the gear Jay
During fat loss season cardio must be performed to lose body fat quicker?
Brilliant video mate respect YNWA brother
Finally less cardio 😩😴
A myth for what exactly? Maybe if you are just training for physique and health but a lot of people want to be able to do more with their bodies. Why does 'fitness' seem to mean bodybuilding by default these days? The example of the runner and cycler isn't even true, there is absolutely a lot of transfer unless you are doing a completely different type of workout such as making a long distance runner do a sprint cycling workout.
My anecdotal example is I joined the Army at 27, after lifting weights since my teens, so I was by far the strongest person at basic training. Yet I was pretty much at the bottom of the pack on most of the fitness stuff. Now I weight train and do cardio and it makes jumping into any new sport or activity much easier. Putting all the theory aside, just get lifters who do no cardio to do a 5k and see how well they do. Or put them in a military pt session and watch them vomit after 10 minutes. I love lifting but the internet seems to be full of people who want to think lifting weights magically makes them some kind of all around athletic badass. If they actually ever bothered to do anything else apart from lift they would quickly find themselves exposed.
😂😂😂😂 this is like saying gender is a myth. You go girl!!!
Quite literally everyone on the higher level says the same thing about cardio, even those on complete opposite spectrum, the anti-HIT crew, like Mike Israetel, Mike Rippetoe, etc.
No matter if it's strength training or bodybuilding, cardio is irrelevant, and it's logical even if we don't look at biochemistry, we just need to look at history, when the fuck did we jog ever? I mean our ancestors. We are predators, not a single predator in the wild fucking jogs, it's walking up to the pray, following it, sometimes for many many kilometers, sometimes for days, and then short sprinting whenever close enough. We are the greatest persistence predators to ever exist(keep walking to the prey, it runs away, you keep walking, it runs away, you keep walking. Our prey was mainly ruminants, which have to spend most of their day eating to stay alive, if they have to constantly run away, they cannot eat, meanwhile we can stay without food for days and just keep on walking until they are too tired to escape), for we can walk very very long distances without side effects thanks to our upright posture, there is no shearing force on our spines because we stand upright.
Step in the ring without doing cardio try it! It will be fun
Do you jog “in the ring”?
@@JayVincentFitness we dance in the ring
the first guy in fitness industry i feel i can trust blindly
Hahahahaha. What?
This explanation of cardiovascular adaptation is flawed. It is true that sort term adaptions in cardiovascular/aerobic improvements (basically VO2 max) are at the cellular, muscular level (increases in mitochondria, lactic acid dehydrogenase enzymes and increased perfusion of the muscle) these adaptations are rapid, and plateau very quickly, on the scale of 6-12 weeks. Untrained subjects can rapidly improve VO2max by those local mechanisms, but will hit their ceiling quickly. At that point the body can only make further adaptations systemically, by increasing stroke volume, and at the "base" of the pyramid, by increasing capillary density of the capillaries that pull oxygen out of the lungs. Elite aerobic athletes have utterly maxed their peripheral adaptations and can only make additional improvements in rate of work output by systemic changes, primarily how much oxygen they pull out of the lungs.
The body prefers to make specific adaptations first, such as increasing the oxidative capacity of the muscles that have been stressed. If lung capillaries increase, but the muscles don't have the extra mitochondria to process it, it is wasted. Also if someone is only using a few muscles for endurance based activities, then it is a waste to cause adaptations in muscles that aren't being used. If you only use your upper body, or one arm to do a lot of work, it is a waste of resources to raise systematic capacity. Also, the body is unlikely to be able to stress the ability to extract oxygen from the lungs if only half the body is use for the activity. Who cares if the heart can deliver more blood, or if the blood is more oxygenated, if the muscles can extract the oxygen or have the machinery to use it to burn fuel?
The point is that most people can extract plenty of oxygen from the lungs and deliver it to working muscles relative to their muscles' ability to process it, and so the best way to fine tune aerobic capacity is to increase utilization at the local muscular level, but after 6-12 weeks or so, this mechanism is using all of the oxygen your system can supply and the only way to increase further is to supply more, an ultimately, the capillarization of the lungs is the limiting factor.
I would love to see you doing a reaction video on Iron Wolf's channel. Tons and tons of Burpees and other body weight movements done with ridiculous amount of volume and frequency.
Running or hiking prepares you for survival situations. You might have to run from a shooter, kidnapper or run after a bad guy. Or get out of the woods. And the only want to prepare for that is cardio. I've been to many army schools and the guys who didn't run before hand, didn't make it. Period. When I was in Ranger school, the best runners had it easier - even though we hardly ran during the course. We rucked. (We were tested on the run before we got into the course.)
Greg has left the chat...
but wait this isnt new,,, we have always known that your training should be sport specific,, in this case the word 'sport' can be substituted with 'goals' and 'aims'. For example no MMA coach will tell his students he has to jog 10 miles a day.
Would take years for the general public to get this.
I'm not exactly sure what you're arguing here. But if you took prime Arnold Schwarzenegger and pit him in a marathon race with Kipchoge we know what would happen. That's because Kipchoges lungs and heart function at a way higher rate with the muscles to allow them to work at an intense rate for very long periods of time.
This guy has bold claims considering he doesn’t look like a world class bodybuilder
Is he natty
Great video Jay... you're getting good at this. Keep hammering. I'll pick up your program soon.
Getting good selling to morons
I don't care what anyone says cardio is needed for every human being in everyday life. I get what's being said but they idea of being functional and healthy goes way beyond peoples goals of looking like a 'fitness model' what good is being jacked and ripped if you can't even climb a flight of stairs without blowing air out your arse all the way to China? No one is saying you gotta run marathons but moderate cardio isn't going to kill you quicker and will in fact increase your feeling of wellbeing Aid in recovery (active recovery) which dorian yates was a big fan on but also train your body to do something other than just lift weights. I incorporate both into my workout whether it's a run or maybe something that is low impact such as watt bike or a row. am I as big as you? No. But I'm happy with the gains I'm getting happy with my overall well being and at the end of the day I can say with confidence I'm natural dunno if that can be said about others... also if you are on PD's and your doing fuck all cardio chances are your shortening your life not prolonging it and will die with some form if respiratory/liver illness or damage which we are seeing time and time again. I ain't a doctor I ain't a fitness model but what I do have is a brain a little common sense and self guidance so yeah I wouldn't take fitness advice from this guy or even feed his ego watching his videos I'd place more trust in that mike Chang guy from 6 pack short cuts YIKES
There was a trainer in the 60's named Vince Gironda who owned a gym in Hollywood and trained many movie stars as well as many well-known bodybuilders for some years...
His take on cardio was unique for the time, in that he did not advocate any such "aerobic" work whatsoever for bodybuilders trying to get as lean as possible... he believed that losing the most body fat the best way possible was to follow his specific diets (which resembled Paleo or even carnivore at the time) for several weeks, and by doing weight training *only* but "upping the tempo" of your workouts (btw, the people who followed his exact "ripped" diet and training would end up extremely lean and muscular with zero cardio work).
Gironda had no cardio machines at all in his gym, and anyone who came in and asked about doing cardio for fat loss or who asked which cardio exercises were the best, Gironda would immediately throw right out on the street.
The fine details in Gironda's argument against doing regular cardio work at the gym was misunderstood by casual observers in fact... Gironda himself *did* do cardio work (he would often ride his bike and take on the California hills terrain), but the difference was he viewed such activity as "recreation" - an enjoyable hobby to have fun with, rather than forcing it to become a strict "must do" regime of doing cardio and going nowhere like on a hamster wheel for hours every week.
And keeping in mind he was a bodybuilding trainer first and foremost, his training routines were designed to deliver a customer's results as quickly, as effectively and as efficiently as possible... this is where he felt regimented cardio work had no place.
I used to follow Greg doucet but disagreed with him , along with my brother who is married to him , cico is true to an extent , there are some very complex issues that happen in our bodies that we as humans can’t and will never be able to understand, 1 example , where do our thoughts come from ?, why do some of us like the taste of something and others don’t ?, this is stuff that we simply can’t explain or understand, neurologists have tried to understand and still fall way short , only GOD knows so far , so I’ve seen people eat the same as me move the same as me and are way leaner , my brother , and yes even if he moved more than I did it still didn’t justify the huge difference in our body composition!, fuk no no way !, if anything I was the one that was way more active !!, yet he was way leaner and still is !, so what the fuk happened to all those calories he ate ?, there is definitely something else going on , I mean we lived together since birth , before school !, so I knew exactly what he did and ate !, I was even more athletic, faster , stronger , in every way , and more out going !, I was the one cutting the freaking lawn at the age of 10 , if anything I should’ve been the leaner one , I was more muscular but not leaner , ever since we hopped out moms womb he was leaner !, so that cico shyt is definitely bs.. and i am not a fuking scholar or scientist, I however am knowledge on exercise weightlifting etc , and have common sense , I also have eyes and ears , lol .. and I don’t need science to explain what I can see !, science is simply theories that have been proven by some scientists, until another scientist proves them wrong lol 😂, and don’t tell me different , cause history has proven that shyt .. some times Common sense is truer than science Greg .and I’ll challenge unto a civilized discussion, Manlet to manlet !!. Lol , jk .. I’m 5,10 .. oh and by the way I’m two inches taller than my brother , so how the fuk do I have a higher fat percentage, I would’ve had to eat my portions and his to gain more fat than him lol, and I wasn’t . In theory and by all Greg scientific means I should’ve been leaner ..
Jay I've been watching your channel for quite awhile now and....I gotta say for the majority of people not listening it's probably extremely frustrating when you try to give them clear positive direct information and facts mind you, and they're completely rebellious it's like when the devil got kicked out of heaven it's like wtf are people not paying attention?? Or is it just ignorance idk man but you're making perfect sense and I've been taking alot of your advice and information into my workouts and the process it's slowly but definitely beginning to improve just like u said but don't stop man keep making these vids and start waking people up to facts💪🦾✊
That makes no sense. If you do an hour of cardio, you will have burned more calories than if you hadn’t, therefor putting yourself in a deeper calorie deficit therefore making your fat loss plan easier than just eating even lower calories.
Great video thank you
im hearing a lot of audio peaking
Where are the lecture: " Why cardio is killing you?"
I was hoping Jay would do a response after how absolutely triggered Greg got in his video.
Great info, it’s easy for people to just don’t believe and say x or Y is wrong, but it was until i tried it that i can acknowledge cardio only made me more anxious and tired, once i fixed diet and trained intensely with slow reps that i felt this “inner peace” yoga claims to give.
But you sell over priced gummies and other useless products.
He's a grifter
this includes sprints? I do sprints twice a week!"....I love them
No need for long intro
Real men do both. Why be muscley if you can't chase a robber?
Pretty sure American Heart Association still recommends a low saturated fat diet, and trans fats are limited by law in EU, so...🙂 Nuance.
Google James V. Primarolo
AMPK inhibits the mTOR pathway
Let's be honest . Most of people force ourselves to do steady state cardio to improve cardiovascular system , to lose fat and improve the heart hoping we dun die young of heart attack. Now Jay already explain the most effective way to increase improve cardiovascular system , lose the fat and improve the heart . 👍. Have you guys notice after try out to do the way like how Jay taught to lift weights , suddenly able to walk upstairs or do some minor hiking without need to catch a breath while not doing any steady state cardio so call excercise before .
This guy is saying excactly what I want to hear so he must be right!
Great Video ....👍🏼😉👌🏼
In my opinion jay would have been better off leaving the science completely out of it . And simply used real world examples that are understandable and relatable to the average individual.
Because I can almost guarantee the vast majority of individuals who see this video have not a clue to what Jay is talking about
This video wasn't for the vast majority it was aimed at guys like Greg Doucette. If he used real world examples then they would just be anecdotal.
@@FrankieBlueEyes i especially wouldn’t have gone into the science with a guy like Greg.
A guy such as greg will just talk and bs his way around the science. While creating his own narrative with what ever science he brings to the table .
And let’s face it’s not Greg who he really needs to convince it’s the audience of individuals who watch Greg’s content
The real world example I agree is anecdotal . How ever it at least forces the opposition to engage in the discussion in the direction that jay wants the conversation to go.
Especially if jay is making a simple statement .
what about your steroid use?
What’s that got to do with cardio ?
What about your smack use?
Hate to break the news to you but the vast majority of fitness TH-camrs who claim natty status are likely at the very least on HRT. You think Jim Stoppani (54) and Jeff Caveliere (47) stay that shredded all year long naturally?
@@FrankieBlueEyes in that case he should be straight forward and say he used steroids. but that would ruin his business model.
@@sman53 that Jay (or his real name James V Primarolo - look him up) is a fraud and his info provided should be looked at with a grain of salt
" Squats and deadlifts of heavy weights have less wear and tear on your joints than cycling" (is what you just said)
Man you are clueless
Greg charges 5k for his coaching what a gimp
Wait what. How long does that get you?
@@googlesucks925 12 weeks i think might be wrong though
Greg says cardio workouts saved his dad lol while it was the very cardio workouts itself caused his dad a heart attack
Went through the video, and i didn't see an instance where he proves cardio is a myth. He just thinks it is ineffective. If you're just doing cardio without following it up with a healthy eating regimen, I agree. But weight training alone can be ineffective too without eating healthy.
I did consistent weight training with no cardio and a horrible diet for a year. I just wanted to get stronger and thought that was good enough to be healthy. I did get stronger but I ended up high cholesterol, high blood pressure, achy joints in my knees and ended up breathing loudly just sitting in the couch watching TV.
I am not a trained professional, or have any formal education on the subject matter. Just my personal opinion from experience and research that i have done. The main difference between him and me is that i am not trying to sell you a product and he is. Keep that in mind when watching his videos.
The point he made here is that diet is the real key factor in long-term fat loss...
Notice I said "long-term"... of course if you're out of shape and overweight right now, you could start doing tons of cardio work and end up dropping weight very quickly (even if your diet isn't the best), but that initial "fat burning" effect isn't going to last because the body is designed to adapt to energy expenditure and become more *efficient* at holding onto your calorie reserves.
The cardio "myth" is this belief that just doing more and more cardio work leads to greater and greater fat loss at will... that's not how the body works.
There was a famous bodybuilding trainer in the 60's named Vice Gironda who trained several bodybuilding champions as well as movie stars in his Hollywood gym, and he was among the very first to emphasize diet to get "ripped" for bodybuilding contests, rather than just adding extra activities to "burn off" what you are consuming.
To this end, he had no cardio machines in his gym, and he'd even throw you out on the street if you asked him which "aerobic" training was good for fat loss... Gironda simply had his trainees strictly follow his diet and calorie intake, and perhaps do their normal weight training a little faster (not much rest between sets) and they all achieved substantial fat loss from that.
Now, Gironda *did* do cardio work himself - but only as "recreation" (such as biking with his family on weekends, hiking the hills, etc.) so it wasn't that he believed cardio work was bad for you... only that *relying* on cardio work for bodybuilding fat loss purposes wasn't time (or energy) well spent.