Posoh! This is the College of Menominee Nation's Sustainable Development Institute. We are very happy to see the enthusiastic response everyone is having to this video that our friends from PBS Twin Cities/Terra created. Waewaenen (Thank you!) to the Understory team for taking the time and care to showcase our cultural views in a respectful way via this fantastic video! Waewaenen as well to our tribal memebers that stepped up to share their knowledge and experiences from the forest; "Big John" Awonohopay, Ron Waukau, Paul Wilber Jr., Christopher Caldwell, and Jasmine Neosh. We know that as Menominee, sometimes it's a daunting task to take on the responsibility to speak on the behalf of our forest; but you all did an amazing job! We would like to also say waewaenen to viewers like you for taking the time to watch this. We hope that you learned something from our people and take this new knowledge back to your community. Waewaenwen to those who are still graciously sharing their thoughts in the comment section here. We've seen that a few people are looking for more information about how our tribe goes about our sustainable forestry practices. General themes we're seeing include "What other traditional philosophies are utilized in our management (like use of fire in the forest)?", "What specific cuts does MTE perform in the Forest?", "How do the Menominee view sustainability?", and probably the most asked question: "How do I work with Big John?” ( visit www.mtewood.com/Jobs ). If you are one such person looking to learn more, SDI would like to offer you this playlist of videos we've created from the past 10-15 years that explore these topics further: th-cam.com/play/PLPJ4NwzuyCGE0r-YbCB6LX-qKV4UgYIby.html This playlist features a tour of the Menominee Tribal Enterprises Departments (featuring Ron Waukau and Co.), an overview of the Menominee Theoretical Model of Sustainability (narrated by Jasmine Neosh), a series from the P.O.S.O.H. Project that introduces the concept of Traditional Ecological Knowledge in the forest (Featuring Dr. Robin Wall Kimmerer and Jeff Grignon), plus more! Of course, this playlist is not a comprehensive resource as there is so much more out there than just these videos. We hope to offer those that are interested in this field just one of many potential starting points to the world of Menominee Sustainability. From this, we hope that you begin to see the multiple connections throughout our world, explore further the work and expertise of the people interviewed, find out what their contemporaries and collaborators have to say on this realm, and as always; learn, learn, learn! Once again, Maec Waewaenen (Thank you very much) to everyone involved on this project for their work on this video and sharing the beauty that is the Menominee Forest. Eneq (That is all).
@@baratunde It's no problem! Our team at the College of Menominee Nation and our friends at Menominee Tribal Enterprises are always happy to share with those who are interested. Maec Waewaenen to you and your awesome team for being curious about our practices and respecting the cultural values that are intrinsically tied to it; we really appreciate it!
This made me cry. Its wonderful to see people so dedicated. Im a Native woman who was entirely disconnected from her heritage and it leaves a lot of pain in me. I love to see the Menominee nation having such a connected community
PBS has been killing it lately with the different series. I know there's usually a vote at the end of the year on which channels are most watched, but I wish there was a "Double the funding of every show" option!
As a Native, it's really inspiring to me to see examples from my culture being used as models of sustainability, in this industrialized age. Another thing: controlled burns to prevent widespread wildfires. This is still carried out by many tribes. I would really like to see this practice implemented more widely, especially with the way climate change is going. More droughts, more fire, more Co2... etc. Personally I think it is a cultural issue, where un-sustainability and un-sustainable practices, are not generally seen as a problem... until they are. On the other hand, Big John said it best: the very heart of our culture, is sustainability. Perhaps there are broader lessons for the 'modern world' to learn. Our culture is a culture balance-of nature with self. In this increasingly (dis)connected world, the wisdom of balance is more important than ever.
Here in New England controlled burns are incredibly difficult to do, not only for political & "white people" reasons-but also because many of these forests have not burned in over 250-450 years. It is so obvious once one learns what to look for, and definitely not a healthy forest. There is some progress towards fostering and facilitating the propagation of Traditional Indigenous Knowledge, but there's a long way to go.
@@DrewNorthup Controlled burns are very difficult to do here in California too. Thankfully there is a strong movement to encourage them here when appropriate to help prevent devastating wildfires. Native landholders and activists are helping.
@@DrewNorthupthats because the only source of fire in New England and New York is humans, our forrests are simply too wet to burn naturally. Even today if you map out where fire tolerant trees are in a forest, the only correlation is where Native Americans used to use fire to clear the land for farming. For the same reasons that grass lawns are stupid in California, controlled burns for forest management in New England are stupid because its going against the local ecology.
@@jasonreed7522 So you're saying that there haven't been humans in New England for more than 6000 years-actively taking part in the local ecology? I think you'd do well to go back to E. O. Wilson's original work and contemplate that a bit more. Besides, "natural fire" is a part of all but the wettest of forest ecologies. The Eastern USA is for the most part not wet enough to suppress fire. I've seen Seneca Rocks in WV burn in early spring from a lightning strike and that sure as hell is not a dry place. We have hundreds of small low-intensity fires across this region from natural causes every year and have for millennia. The First Nations peoples here observed this and used it to keep the underbrush to a reasonable level, fostering navigation, gathering, & hunting. They did not ever engage in "slash & burn" farming. This is all well documented, but alas is not a focus of the powerful "nature to the exclusion of man" cult nestled inside of the broader Environmental movement.
This isn't the best time to burn. It's better to remove dry tinder and plant ferns and things to help with water retention and ecosynthesis. There are too many volatiles in the atmosphere. I agree with you somewhat, but industrialization needs insane major regulation globally.
Hearing the way they talking about loving it even though its tough makes you wonder that humans have a propensity to enjoy manual labor. I work a white collar job now but a lot of times I miss working with my hands. I know not everyone is that way but I think there has been an ideological shift to look down on blue collar work or workers as being less important but I think they are more important for the functioning of society and economy.
white collar work also often involves serving corrupt corporate profiteers, who exploit everyone and everything for that last dollar. if the workers were in charge, i think it'd be easier to make adjustments that respect nature and prioritise sustainability. cutting out the capitalists would be like following old oshkosh's saying: they're the old, fallen, sick and dying dregs of humanity. and definitely prone to disease.
I'm a forester and a farmer and a conservationist. Sustainable forestry is the only path forward if we want our grandchildren to be able to enjoy forests and not deserts.
Before 1960, all forestry was done using selective cutting. Clear-cutting was introduced in the 1960s because of the adoption of heavy machinery that made forestry more "productive" in the economic sense, but it turned out to be far less productive in an environmental sense and in terms of husbanding a sustainable resource.
I wish we had been listening to indigenous peoples long ago... They knew what they were doing. We've just wrecked the planet, but had we be doing these sustainable practices from the beginning, we'd be in a much better place. However... we can't change the past. We just need to learn and change our ways NOW before it gets any worse.
I think artificially petrified wood should become a standard practice. The wood will be nearly waterproof, fireproof, rotproof, and pestproof and increase the service life of wood from decades to centuries, maybe even millennia or forever with little to no maintenance. It's also a good carbon sink. Silicone dioxide, the material used to petrify wood is also natural and environmentally friendly. It's essentially powdered/liquid glass.
This was a lovely watch, keep sharing cool stuff such as this. All lumber needs to take notes on how they do this sustainable way or logging. Incredible.
Don't forget the wildlife using holes and hollows in some of those "sick-looking" trees as habitats. A forest without wildlife is a plucking tree farm!
I’m 64 and disabled and one of my favorite lifetime memories was being ten years old and climbing up into the giant elm in our backyard to read. How I wish I could go back in time to that young and able me to live my life over and change almost every decision I made…..🥺💫🥺
“To the outside it’s profitability, then community, then the forest” Big John ain’t wrong. First things first-how do we convince corporations and governments to put communities before profits? If we can’t do that, the we certainly can’t get them to put our planet first.
It's called HEMP as a grass it grows much faster than trees and it produces 70 % more fibre than trees. Hemp has way more industrial and home products than wood. Flooring Paints Hemp Crete there are a thousand uses. Hemp needs the Sun and land to grow on fallow land is prefect. The left over plant products with hemp can be burned as fuel and heating
Hemp requires much water and it strips the soil of nutrient's requiring fertilization. A forest that is well cared for doesn't need irrigation and fertilization.
@@kloss213 Haven't looked into hemp so I'm not going to comment about it -but all sustainable agriculture requires fertilization (taking nutrients/minerals from one place and moving them to another) of some kind. Plants use up nutrients/minerals from the soil, when you harvest them -you remove those nutrients from that ecosystem, eventually you will deplete the soil. Natural replacement of those nutrients (via weathering) would 100s/1000s years; which was insufficient for even ancient non industrial agriculture/harvesting. In non harvested forests -most of the nutrients/minerals remain in the local system when trees die and is endlessly recycled through, what is lost; is slowly replaced by weathering.
@@LENZ5369 I have a large orchard and a good num of wooded acres I have never fertilized any of it. The soil I started out with was near gravel I've never amended it I now have 12 inch of blk top soil.
I also have a lot of land that I farm and I have to second that opinion, you do not need fertilizer or any addendums to soil. You can build soil you don’t have to keep “using” natural resources you can improve and restore them.
I'm hoping it's a communication problem... because I'm not even sure how to respond to the both of you -you guys are seemingly claiming that you can keeping taking (from an ecosystem) without end or consequence; 'something from nothing'. eg. If you grow a potato plant in a pot, the nutrients in the pot is used by the plant to grow and produce the potato. Even if you compost the plant, the nutrients that went into the potato is now lost from the pot You could add the 'manure' that the potato was turned into back into the pot, which would return some nutrients but the nutrients that you absorbed into your body -is still lost. It's a subtractive process; if you take more than the natural replenishment rate or don't compensate for what you took out -you will have a deficit. Just to be clear; you guys understand that non industrial farming (depending on intensity and soil comp) would take generations (many decades -hundreds of years) to deplete? eg. Someone settling good never before farmed land; wouldn't experience it -their grandkids or great grandkids would. It's why many early agricultural peoples (including many Native Americans): would keep moving their settlements around -once their harvests started degrading; they would move somewhere fertile, clear forest/land and rebuild. And it's (one of the main reasons) why certain areas like floodplains and river deltas were so valued and important to ancient civilizations -rather than having to move their settlement to the soil nutrients; the rivers and regular floods would bring the nutrients to them and replenish their farmlands -allowing large permanent agricultural settlements.
The other side of that coin, if you only leave the healthy trees and take dead and / or dieing trees, is that you have very little habitat for burrowing/ boring habitat making animals.
It drives my neighbors crazy that I leave dead and dying trees standing on my property. Many creatures depend on these trees including native bees that are so important for pollination.
Dead and dying trees hold a massive amount of ecological value for a forest. Removing them almost completely from a landscape would certainly have detrimental effects to the ecosystem as a whole. Vivid healthy trees are not the whole health of a forest, it’s a misdirected idea. Many, many species depend on those “old, dead, and dying trees”. Still better than total clear cutting, but not perfect, as nothing is.
More or less this is done in german forestry as well. You should not cut down an entire forest for lumber. Take some trees of the forest. It will increase the costs, but it is far more sustainable, hence the ecosystem wont be as damaged. We need wood as a climate „neutral“ material, time to manage the forests sustainable to get the product we absolutely need.
I hope they don't take down every old tree. Old trees keep forests healthy. Making the forest full of young trees only is fine for a plantation but not exactly a good forest.
As a Menominee person who gets to spend time out in our forests, believe me, there are plenty of old trees. I would post a photo for you, but it’s not something I can do in the comment section. Waewaenen (thank you) for your concern though! I can see you have a love for forests!
@@tjm.5934 thanks for the reply! That's good to hear. I noticed when they filmed that a lot of the scenes had thin trees of all the same size. Obviously there are filming restrictions and it can't show the entire thing, but it's good to know those scenes are representative of the whole
I don't trust any forestry practice with only one species all in neat rows. It takes more resources to do it sustainably this way, and you will have to use pesticides more often, that's just one problem.
Paper from wood? Let the wood grow tall and use *_HEMP_* for paper! Stronger, lasts longer, growth and processing is *_much easier_* on the environment! Wood paper is one of those eco-killing processes we need to abandon! Plus...more paper per acre using hemp!
Prior to making modern paper with hemp, bamboo, & rice carne making it with wood. Prior to that came making it mostly out of fabric waste-virtually everything else was written on vellum, papyrus, clay, & stone. We got here for a reason. Besides, one need not mow down a billion trees in ugly clearcut fashion to make paper-they just do it that way to draw larger rents.
Hemp isn’t more sustainable. And it isn’t more productive. Every land has a natural biome it reverts to. No land has a natural monoculture of hemp. But across the American south short lived and fast growing pines are a common natural monoculture. It’s very sustainable because it requires no intervention.
We actually have a lot more land on the reservation with natural growth forests, very much untouched by logging. If it has been, it’s nearly unnoticeable.
Paper plantations are already very sustainable. They use forest which natural grow these fast growing pines. You cut it and come back in a decade and it looks the same as before you cut it and unlike fields of hemp growing in tilled soil this is a natural ecosystem. Plus the conifer biome is made to be reset it just used to be reset with fires and not logging.
I don't know anything about that area/forest but it kinda looks unnatural -most of trees looks like the same species and it looks like there is almost no medium sized tree species or shrubs/bushes. IDK what's up with that place; if it's naturally that 'barren' of a forest or not but in my book a pedigree show dog bred to resemble a wolf; is still a dog -and not a wolf.
I saw several species of trees there. Also, having a thoroughly cleared-out understory is what forests all over North America looked like 600 years ago. That's the imprint of active management implementing Indigenous Knowledge.
@@LENZ5369 It's called fire. I suggest you learn about the actual ecological history and diversity of the continent before you make assumptions. What has been the case for European forests for millennia doesn't have to be the case for non-boreal North American forests. It is a MYTH that non-boreal forests in North America were all completely "pristine" and "untouched by man" prior to the domination of the continent by immigrants from Europe. Sure, the coastal rainforests of the West never looked anything like what was shown in the video, but almost all of the territory South of the Canadian Shield and East of the Mississippi is well documented to have looked like that when the French, English, & Dutch started building colonies.
@@DrewNorthup What is wrong with you? you are just spouting random, irrelevant nonsense -and with an attitude and tone that suggests a profound lack of self awareness.
Posoh! This is the College of Menominee Nation's Sustainable Development Institute. We are very happy to see the enthusiastic response everyone is having to this video that our friends from PBS Twin Cities/Terra created. Waewaenen (Thank you!) to the Understory team for taking the time and care to showcase our cultural views in a respectful way via this fantastic video! Waewaenen as well to our tribal memebers that stepped up to share their knowledge and experiences from the forest; "Big John" Awonohopay, Ron Waukau, Paul Wilber Jr., Christopher Caldwell, and Jasmine Neosh. We know that as Menominee, sometimes it's a daunting task to take on the responsibility to speak on the behalf of our forest; but you all did an amazing job! We would like to also say waewaenen to viewers like you for taking the time to watch this. We hope that you learned something from our people and take this new knowledge back to your community.
Waewaenwen to those who are still graciously sharing their thoughts in the comment section here. We've seen that a few people are looking for more information about how our tribe goes about our sustainable forestry practices. General themes we're seeing include "What other traditional philosophies are utilized in our management (like use of fire in the forest)?", "What specific cuts does MTE perform in the Forest?", "How do the Menominee view sustainability?", and probably the most asked question: "How do I work with Big John?” ( visit www.mtewood.com/Jobs ). If you are one such person looking to learn more, SDI would like to offer you this playlist of videos we've created from the past 10-15 years that explore these topics further: th-cam.com/play/PLPJ4NwzuyCGE0r-YbCB6LX-qKV4UgYIby.html
This playlist features a tour of the Menominee Tribal Enterprises Departments (featuring Ron Waukau and Co.), an overview of the Menominee Theoretical Model of Sustainability (narrated by Jasmine Neosh), a series from the P.O.S.O.H. Project that introduces the concept of Traditional Ecological Knowledge in the forest (Featuring Dr. Robin Wall Kimmerer and Jeff Grignon), plus more!
Of course, this playlist is not a comprehensive resource as there is so much more out there than just these videos. We hope to offer those that are interested in this field just one of many potential starting points to the world of Menominee Sustainability. From this, we hope that you begin to see the multiple connections throughout our world, explore further the work and expertise of the people interviewed, find out what their contemporaries and collaborators have to say on this realm, and as always; learn, learn, learn!
Once again, Maec Waewaenen (Thank you very much) to everyone involved on this project for their work on this video and sharing the beauty that is the Menominee Forest.
Eneq (That is all).
thank YOU for such an incredible practice and for sharing more!
@@baratunde It's no problem! Our team at the College of Menominee Nation and our friends at Menominee Tribal Enterprises are always happy to share with those who are interested. Maec Waewaenen to you and your awesome team for being curious about our practices and respecting the cultural values that are intrinsically tied to it; we really appreciate it!
This made me cry. Its wonderful to see people so dedicated. Im a Native woman who was entirely disconnected from her heritage and it leaves a lot of pain in me. I love to see the Menominee nation having such a connected community
PBS has been killing it lately with the different series. I know there's usually a vote at the end of the year on which channels are most watched, but I wish there was a "Double the funding of every show" option!
um. yes please ;)
Incredible work PBS. I’m a farmer, and I want to work for Big John.
As a Native, it's really inspiring to me to see examples from my culture being used as models of sustainability, in this industrialized age.
Another thing: controlled burns to prevent widespread wildfires. This is still carried out by many tribes. I would really like to see this practice implemented more widely, especially with the way climate change is going. More droughts, more fire, more Co2... etc.
Personally I think it is a cultural issue, where un-sustainability and un-sustainable practices, are not generally seen as a problem... until they are. On the other hand, Big John said it best: the very heart of our culture, is sustainability.
Perhaps there are broader lessons for the 'modern world' to learn. Our culture is a culture balance-of nature with self. In this increasingly (dis)connected world, the wisdom of balance is more important than ever.
Here in New England controlled burns are incredibly difficult to do, not only for political & "white people" reasons-but also because many of these forests have not burned in over 250-450 years. It is so obvious once one learns what to look for, and definitely not a healthy forest. There is some progress towards fostering and facilitating the propagation of Traditional Indigenous Knowledge, but there's a long way to go.
@@DrewNorthup Controlled burns are very difficult to do here in California too. Thankfully there is a strong movement to encourage them here when appropriate to help prevent devastating wildfires. Native landholders and activists are helping.
@@DrewNorthupthats because the only source of fire in New England and New York is humans, our forrests are simply too wet to burn naturally.
Even today if you map out where fire tolerant trees are in a forest, the only correlation is where Native Americans used to use fire to clear the land for farming.
For the same reasons that grass lawns are stupid in California, controlled burns for forest management in New England are stupid because its going against the local ecology.
@@jasonreed7522 So you're saying that there haven't been humans in New England for more than 6000 years-actively taking part in the local ecology? I think you'd do well to go back to E. O. Wilson's original work and contemplate that a bit more.
Besides, "natural fire" is a part of all but the wettest of forest ecologies. The Eastern USA is for the most part not wet enough to suppress fire. I've seen Seneca Rocks in WV burn in early spring from a lightning strike and that sure as hell is not a dry place. We have hundreds of small low-intensity fires across this region from natural causes every year and have for millennia. The First Nations peoples here observed this and used it to keep the underbrush to a reasonable level, fostering navigation, gathering, & hunting. They did not ever engage in "slash & burn" farming. This is all well documented, but alas is not a focus of the powerful "nature to the exclusion of man" cult nestled inside of the broader Environmental movement.
This isn't the best time to burn. It's better to remove dry tinder and plant ferns and things to help with water retention and ecosynthesis. There are too many volatiles in the atmosphere. I agree with you somewhat, but industrialization needs insane major regulation globally.
This is wonderful and inspiring. Huge thanks to PBS Terra, Baratunde, and most importantly, the Menominee Nation!
Hearing the way they talking about loving it even though its tough makes you wonder that humans have a propensity to enjoy manual labor. I work a white collar job now but a lot of times I miss working with my hands. I know not everyone is that way but I think there has been an ideological shift to look down on blue collar work or workers as being less important but I think they are more important for the functioning of society and economy.
Labour is the figurative and literal base of the societal 'self-actualization pyramid'. This is a valuable insight.
white collar work also often involves serving corrupt corporate profiteers, who exploit everyone and everything for that last dollar. if the workers were in charge, i think it'd be easier to make adjustments that respect nature and prioritise sustainability. cutting out the capitalists would be like following old oshkosh's saying: they're the old, fallen, sick and dying dregs of humanity. and definitely prone to disease.
I can relate
Inspiring to see First Nations leading the way in the sustainable use of resources.
I'm a forester and a farmer and a conservationist. Sustainable forestry is the only path forward if we want our grandchildren to be able to enjoy forests and not deserts.
I don't know much about it but the White Mountain Apaches in Arizona get recognition for how they manage their forests as well.
Oh I love this. It’s great to see this wisdom returning to the mainstream
Hey PBS, exceptional work on this video.
There's no one better than you, Big John.
Before 1960, all forestry was done using selective cutting. Clear-cutting was introduced in the 1960s because of the adoption of heavy machinery that made forestry more "productive" in the economic sense, but it turned out to be far less productive in an environmental sense and in terms of husbanding a sustainable resource.
So much to learn I don't know where to begin
Native Americans have always been in touch with nature I think they are the key to a sustainable future 😍🥰🥰
Love this episode!
Thank you for sharing your insight and beautiful spirit !
Great video.
I am from Wisconsin and proud to know of this forest
Thank you. That was really well done and inspiring.
Ancient for the ancient god! Wisdom for the wisdom throne!
I wish we had been listening to indigenous peoples long ago... They knew what they were doing. We've just wrecked the planet, but had we be doing these sustainable practices from the beginning, we'd be in a much better place.
However... we can't change the past. We just need to learn and change our ways NOW before it gets any worse.
I think artificially petrified wood should become a standard practice. The wood will be nearly waterproof, fireproof, rotproof, and pestproof and increase the service life of wood from decades to centuries, maybe even millennia or forever with little to no maintenance. It's also a good carbon sink. Silicone dioxide, the material used to petrify wood is also natural and environmentally friendly. It's essentially powdered/liquid glass.
Of course putting profit above all hurts everyone but the rich. Would that everyone began to see the land & trees as sacred again.
This was a lovely watch, keep sharing cool stuff such as this. All lumber needs to take notes on how they do this sustainable way or logging. Incredible.
Such a beautiful video!
First time I've ever heard something about someone cutting down a tree. And it didn't bother the dickens out and me❤
Don't forget the wildlife using holes and hollows in some of those "sick-looking" trees as habitats. A forest without wildlife is a plucking tree farm!
for anybody wondering, yes.
ancient wisdom can do that
up in the tree - it's a bird, it's a squirrel, it's Baratunde!
I wish you the best of luck, on climbing your maple tree. I used to love to climb and sit in the bough of one of the last American elm in my town.
I’m 64 and disabled and one of my favorite lifetime memories was being ten years old and climbing up into the giant elm in our backyard to read. How I wish I could go back in time to that young and able me to live my life over and change almost every decision I made…..🥺💫🥺
Awesome!!
“To the outside it’s profitability, then community, then the forest” Big John ain’t wrong. First things first-how do we convince corporations and governments to put communities before profits? If we can’t do that, the we certainly can’t get them to put our planet first.
just remember = if u knock down one tree, u have to plant three trees plz
Why not leaving some special torsed trees and dead wood? That’s important for fungi, specific kinds of insects, birds...
Amazing, thank you and share! 💕
What a story! I live in California and never imagined I would see something this special in Wisconsin.
we practice the same method here in Switzerland.
it's great, but on the other side, most forest here lose money.
And as the video stated, profit should not be the end-all be all.
It's called HEMP as a grass it grows much faster than trees and it produces 70 % more fibre than trees. Hemp has way more industrial and home products than wood. Flooring Paints Hemp Crete there are a thousand uses. Hemp needs the Sun and land to grow on fallow land is prefect. The left over plant products with hemp can be burned as fuel and heating
Hemp requires much water and it strips the soil of nutrient's requiring fertilization. A forest that is well cared for doesn't need irrigation and fertilization.
@@kloss213 Haven't looked into hemp so I'm not going to comment about it -but all sustainable agriculture requires fertilization (taking nutrients/minerals from one place and moving them to another) of some kind.
Plants use up nutrients/minerals from the soil, when you harvest them -you remove those nutrients from that ecosystem, eventually you will deplete the soil.
Natural replacement of those nutrients (via weathering) would 100s/1000s years; which was insufficient for even ancient non industrial agriculture/harvesting.
In non harvested forests -most of the nutrients/minerals remain in the local system when trees die and is endlessly recycled through, what is lost; is slowly replaced by weathering.
@@LENZ5369 I have a large orchard and a good num of wooded acres I have never fertilized any of it. The soil I started out with was near gravel I've never amended it I now have 12 inch of blk top soil.
I also have a lot of land that I farm and I have to second that opinion, you do not need fertilizer or any addendums to soil. You can build soil you don’t have to keep “using” natural resources you can improve and restore them.
I'm hoping it's a communication problem... because I'm not even sure how to respond to the both of you -you guys are seemingly claiming that you can keeping taking (from an ecosystem) without end or consequence; 'something from nothing'.
eg. If you grow a potato plant in a pot, the nutrients in the pot is used by the plant to grow and produce the potato.
Even if you compost the plant, the nutrients that went into the potato is now lost from the pot
You could add the 'manure' that the potato was turned into back into the pot, which would return some nutrients but the nutrients that you absorbed into your body -is still lost.
It's a subtractive process; if you take more than the natural replenishment rate or don't compensate for what you took out -you will have a deficit.
Just to be clear; you guys understand that non industrial farming (depending on intensity and soil comp) would take generations (many decades -hundreds of years) to deplete?
eg. Someone settling good never before farmed land; wouldn't experience it -their grandkids or great grandkids would.
It's why many early agricultural peoples (including many Native Americans): would keep moving their settlements around -once their harvests started degrading; they would move somewhere fertile, clear forest/land and rebuild.
And it's (one of the main reasons) why certain areas like floodplains and river deltas were so valued and important to ancient civilizations -rather than having to move their settlement to the soil nutrients; the rivers and regular floods would bring the nutrients to them and replenish their farmlands -allowing large permanent agricultural settlements.
How do we make this go viral? ❤
Check out DW's 'Planting Trees in Cities: How do we (preserve & regrow / vitalize, forests [paraphrase title.])
Fishing should be managed with the same but generally, the best breeding fish are taken.
The other side of that coin, if you only leave the healthy trees and take dead and / or dieing trees, is that you have very little habitat for burrowing/ boring habitat making animals.
It drives my neighbors crazy that I leave dead and dying trees standing on my property. Many creatures depend on these trees including native bees that are so important for pollination.
@yvonnejackson1696 my rule of thumb is1 dead per acre. The woodpeckers will thank you.
The Menominee actually leave alone all trees where creatures have burrowed or heavily use, including downed ones
@jofilmmama8705 That's a good strategy, good land stewardship encompasses the animals that live within as well.
Dead and dying trees hold a massive amount of ecological value for a forest. Removing them almost completely from a landscape would certainly have detrimental effects to the ecosystem as a whole. Vivid healthy trees are not the whole health of a forest, it’s a misdirected idea. Many, many species depend on those “old, dead, and dying trees”.
Still better than total clear cutting, but not perfect, as nothing is.
fallen trees is a part of forest ecology, it's bugs, birds and more
More or less this is done in german forestry as well. You should not cut down an entire forest for lumber. Take some trees of the forest. It will increase the costs, but it is far more sustainable, hence the ecosystem wont be as damaged. We need wood as a climate „neutral“ material, time to manage the forests sustainable to get the product we absolutely need.
I hope they don't take down every old tree. Old trees keep forests healthy. Making the forest full of young trees only is fine for a plantation but not exactly a good forest.
As a Menominee person who gets to spend time out in our forests, believe me, there are plenty of old trees. I would post a photo for you, but it’s not something I can do in the comment section. Waewaenen (thank you) for your concern though! I can see you have a love for forests!
@@tjm.5934 thanks for the reply! That's good to hear. I noticed when they filmed that a lot of the scenes had thin trees of all the same size. Obviously there are filming restrictions and it can't show the entire thing, but it's good to know those scenes are representative of the whole
I don't trust any forestry practice with only one species all in neat rows.
It takes more resources to do it sustainably this way, and you will have to use pesticides more often, that's just one problem.
I miss your sense of humor on your newest videos. Yu iz funnie
People not touching shit will save the Forrest
Well that's a smart idea
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Paper from wood? Let the wood grow tall and use *_HEMP_* for paper! Stronger, lasts longer, growth and processing is *_much easier_* on the environment! Wood paper is one of those eco-killing processes we need to abandon!
Plus...more paper per acre using hemp!
Prior to making modern paper with hemp, bamboo, & rice carne making it with wood. Prior to that came making it mostly out of fabric waste-virtually everything else was written on vellum, papyrus, clay, & stone. We got here for a reason. Besides, one need not mow down a billion trees in ugly clearcut fashion to make paper-they just do it that way to draw larger rents.
Hemp isn’t more sustainable. And it isn’t more productive.
Every land has a natural biome it reverts to. No land has a natural monoculture of hemp. But across the American south short lived and fast growing pines are a common natural monoculture. It’s very sustainable because it requires no intervention.
6:44 Menominee mill #8 to you too Bud ;)
and ofc greed ruins everything again ... this should seem obvious if people have the idea of actually preserving forests
We actually have a lot more land on the reservation with natural growth forests, very much untouched by logging. If it has been, it’s nearly unnoticeable.
Not all native cultures have preserved forests.
community.
forest.
profit.
in that order.
not in the Wall St. order.
want to save the forests? make paper from HEMP! the paper towel biz alone, is multi-billion dollar business!
Paper plantations are already very sustainable. They use forest which natural grow these fast growing pines. You cut it and come back in a decade and it looks the same as before you cut it and unlike fields of hemp growing in tilled soil this is a natural ecosystem. Plus the conifer biome is made to be reset it just used to be reset with fires and not logging.
You shud not celebrate & propagate the "Lesser Evil". Instead make documentaries on - " How to Remove EVIL "
"Indian"? These people are from India? OH, you mean "First Nations People". Or "Indigenous People".
'Menominee Indian Tribe' is their official name
you are a joke, I hope you learn something today
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Great work BUT....we all know you ain't climbing that maple.
I don't know anything about that area/forest but it kinda looks unnatural -most of trees looks like the same species and it looks like there is almost no medium sized tree species or shrubs/bushes.
IDK what's up with that place; if it's naturally that 'barren' of a forest or not but in my book a pedigree show dog bred to resemble a wolf; is still a dog -and not a wolf.
I saw several species of trees there. Also, having a thoroughly cleared-out understory is what forests all over North America looked like 600 years ago. That's the imprint of active management implementing Indigenous Knowledge.
@@DrewNorthup Are you saying that they are removing the understory?
You know that is extremely destructive and harmful to a forest ecosystem, right?
@@LENZ5369 It's called fire. I suggest you learn about the actual ecological history and diversity of the continent before you make assumptions. What has been the case for European forests for millennia doesn't have to be the case for non-boreal North American forests. It is a MYTH that non-boreal forests in North America were all completely "pristine" and "untouched by man" prior to the domination of the continent by immigrants from Europe. Sure, the coastal rainforests of the West never looked anything like what was shown in the video, but almost all of the territory South of the Canadian Shield and East of the Mississippi is well documented to have looked like that when the French, English, & Dutch started building colonies.
@@DrewNorthup What is wrong with you?
you are just spouting random, irrelevant nonsense -and with an attitude and tone that suggests a profound lack of self awareness.
That’s actually what a forest is supposed to look like. We’re just not used to seeing them like this.
this is not a new thing . We do that in Turkiye for centuries
Find a host who is not from ghetto
Was your life made better by saying something dumb like this?
He may or may not be from a ghetto but either way he is a good host. That is what matters.
@@johnnyearp52 Why you think he was hired in the first place?
You think they randomly hired a black guy?
@@madd5 I don't know. But even if they were looking specifically for a Black man there are plenty of talented Black men out there.