Fucking hell, I actually had an erection... To own genuine Segmentata and a sick Meinz Gladius would be awesome! I would prefer a circular or oval shield which would probably better in a dual than a Scutum..
"If they deal with roman armour" Metatron is addicted to armour.... Now i know where he gets all this energy in his videos from.... Damn... Armour is a pretty hard drug! :O
I started off with some light chainmail for kicks. One day my friend gave me a sallet. Now I grab what I can get my hands on. Bascinet, segmentatas, Nanban dou gusoku, full European plate armor, whatever. Don't do armor, not even once.
Odd fellows, those Romans ;) Also poor auxiliaries, they really get very little credit both today and in their own time. Some auxiliaries were pretty badass, like the Batavian cavalry units which eventually composed the Emperor's bodyguard unit as Numerus Batavorum, a kind of earlier form of Varagian guard.
Damn. I was wondering about just this very thing. I did notice how many recreations of ye-ol' armor looked like a metal barrel on the chest. All I could think was about how immobile and uncomfortable it looked. You would think that, with the armor being layered like it is, the segments could flex with the body. Those cheap ones look ridged as fuck. I have to wonder just how flexible the Imperial armor was. It always did look badass.
I was never big on history, until i came across this channel. I've probably learned more useful and interesting information about history in 2 weeks watching these videos than i have in my entire life
You know, my dear friend, I was really never interested in the romans or their weapons and armors until I started watching your channel. Awesome stuff!
You are a genuinely courteous and good person, Raf. Your gratitude in this post shows your personality so clearly (as do years of Metatron videos). So glad I found your channel. Keep up the great work and it's nice to be a supporter.
How do you not run out of ideas? Are you just that well studied on these things already or are you constantly learning about new things that interest you?
@@neilgriffiths6427Do you still like the cheap armour? Like for the uses you have it for, still does the job and looks good to those who aren’t like well trained eyes for the differences
Late, from my reading of the topic, and I'm no expert, it's sort of assumed the later Roman Empire was weaker than the earlier one, rather than the fact that Rome's potential enemies had grown much stronger and were much closer technologically and tactically, rather than the earlier barbarians. From a pure evolutionary point, later tactics and equipment is likely to have been an improvement.
Lewis Carlin that's very good you're correct the early Empire was great my emperor Caesar was assassinated and betrayed by the Senate and the praetorian guards Rome will rise again they will be another Gaius Julius Caesar
Can you make a video about the column of Traian ? This war is forgotten and does not receive the proper attention (and is probably the roman army at is bests fighting the dacians). It should also bring some new fans in Romania. I am interested in your point of view.
I've heard it suggested that the Romans mass produced the plates in various sizes and it was left to the soldiers to select, purchase and assemble a cuirass that fitted them, no armorer required.
Well I would expect maille to also be referred to as the entire armor itself, in those periods I remember maille being not just chainmail but everything. I may be wrong
I believe the goal of this video was to illustrate the difference between good and poor quality segmentata. If this was its intention it fails miserably because no such points or cross comparisons were made other than a long distance shot of the armor guy in a filed with cheapola on. No comparisons of materials and construction techniques were mentioned just really a lotta blabber i found it uninformative and so now I still don't know. Many thanks I wish you well in all your future endeavors. Cheers
I bought my Lorica segmentata for only £93.83 and it came with a fully metal engraved centurion helmet. So it is a good deal and all. It’s not bad. It’s sturdy, flexible, light and good as I’m on a budget. Once I have the money I’m planning on getting a custom tailored set of Lorica segmentata from arm street craftsmanship, they do very nice pieces, pricy, but handcrafted to you’re tailoring. I got some greaves from them. Very nice pieces. I might get the chest plate in the future.
With regard to how Legions were equipped, a Legion might use (or not use) a particular type of armor may depend upon two things, first what the Quartermaster has in his warehouses, or could be gathered quickly, and secondly of all the preferences of the Commanding Officer of the Legion. This no doubt happened in the Roman Army and still happens today.
There were evidences that some Gallian Auxiliaries were equipped with Lorica Segmentata, especially since Gaul is Rome's primary recruitment hub for their Cavalry and Heavy Infantry Auxiliaries, both of which gets higher pay than Light Infantry or Skirmisher Auxiliaries.
Came to learn between quality and cheap armor, got stuck with a history lesson. The only distinguishing feature of good armor you mentioned was the fit/shape!
Metatron keep making great videos man and I want you to know that I appreciate your content and knowledge have a good evening or day depending on where you are 😄
learning by doing, this is what I like, and I look forward to seeing the experiments you will make in the future, this will be an interesting window into the past bringing it closer to the present.
I think you will find a significant difference in a well made tailored set. Might take some of the weight off the shoulders. I had noticed the cylindrical curass in your set. But I really didn't think about it actually being tailored. Can easily be done with pre fabricated segments. As new troops are fitted by the armorer.
Thank you for such an awesome video and introducing me to a fun New tongue twister, "Lorica Segmentata". Seriously, your knowledge on armor helps me out a bunch in my artwork when I'm trying to draw believable battle gear.
Metatron, a bit of a technical question regarding the Lorica design. I did own a suit for 15 years and used it, I think it was from Windless. I know I did not take the best care of it, but the interior leather backing dried out in places, causing the rivets to slip from it. I repaired the armor myself, which was a pain in the butt, but, when I redid the rivets, on the inside I placed a wide flat washer, easy to find the correct size and it gave them the additional support needed. Other then for historical accuracy, even the pictures of the good quality suit lacked what I did. Why is this not done with new suits? I cannot be the only one that this has happened too. It was a hard job doing the repairs. Sadly, one reason I haven't gotten a suit again.
Hi Metatron, I love your videos. Could you make a video on Paveza, the shield used by crossbowman in late middle ages? How often was it used and did crossbowmen have the Paveza on their back in the battle or was it always on the ground while being used? Why was it not used more through history? Was it because it was too impractical, too expensive for their use or just nobody thought of it?
I wore segmentata tailored to myself for a full day. Sure it works fine and I was able to! BUT! And here is a big one. My trapz were KILLING me at the end of the day! So I had to make a padded shirt with wool pillows on my shoulders. That was the only way I could get through a full day without being sore for 3 days afterwards. Then there is the issue of wear and tear. Wearing it a lot really put stress on the leather straps thoughout the armour, and required constabt repair no matter how good quality leather i used. If going out "in the field" i would probably always take a good padded jacket with a hamata over it ANY DAY OF THE WEEK! It is easier to repair on the go, weight is better distributed. You get more mobility from it and honestly, with the big shield, you would be a lot more comfortable going into battle. My conclusion from both armour was this: If I fought defensively, protecting a city where I didn't have to travel much, and had the infrastructure to support repairing the segmentata I would wear it because it offers better protection and often the enemy would want to come for me, not the other way around. If going on an offensive/expansion campaign where I didn't have the same infrastructure and would have to carry/repair most/all my own gear on the roads and wear my equipment more or less all day every day - the hamata would be FAR superior to the segmentata!
I was always wondering why the hell lorica segmentata have such hole in the middle of the chest. now I understand that it was just your cheap replica :) BTW, good luck with new armor - looking forward for new videos
I would like someone with really nothing to do go through all your videos and make a compilation of everytime you say "lorica segmentata" throughout your videos, it's almost amazing how you manage to squeeze in those two words in EVERYTHING, example: Video about samurai, you say something like "the japanese armor you see here have layers, just like a lorica segmentata but...". Video about vikings and you talk about them having no layered armor and just ringarmor or no armor at all and YET you squeeze in something like "unlike the roman lorica segmentata the viking armor bla bla.." haha. Love your stuff, don't get me wrong but you DO have an addiction to that word! ;)
Awesome video. On the subject of the cav armour, I believe the segmentata found on the site would belong to the garrison, and not the billeted cav unit. Just my take on the subject.
Mine was made by a supplier for UK reinactment groups, it does overlap and come in at the waist but not as much as the one in the video. Perhaps a mid-range set! 😄
Raffaello, very good job! When you will talk about medieval reenactment, could you please even stress the attention on the clothing of a soldier or a nobleman, in order to give useful advises for those who wanted to do a correct reenactment? Finding infos about armour is quite simple, but it's very difficult to find advises on clothing 😅
I have a question regarding cheap armors, would a roman legionary who was from a poor backround have supply his own armor and thus end up with roman era equilevant of that cheap replicate or was the (basic) equipment provided by the state so that each legionary had armor of at least reasonble quality even if it wasn't amazing?
Yes the new one looks much more realistic. I think the old one had gaps in it even when you had it buckled up. When you get the new segmentata how about a special on the Ermine Street Guard?
Hey Metatron, what do you think about Giro d`Italia? Did this really great event or its very specific in inner circules of people? Do you like ride on bycicle?))
Hey metatron, The lorica is high maintaince during roman time. What is a alternative armour to this? Diffrent culture etc has somewhat same protection? Or maybe a diffrent time frame.
During the first century ad in the Roman occupation of Judea, what was the armor did the Soldiers wear, and were there Legionnairies, or just auxiliaries?
All three major armour types used by the common infantry were in use at that time.That is chainmail shirt,Scale shirt and segmental debated in this video.These all were used at the same time.Worst thing you could do would be to imagine it like if they wore uniformly just one type-they clearly never did.At the start of that century mainly chainmail was in use,at the end of that century segmental armour would be also well present though it is impossible to say how much commonly if compared with scale and chain armours.During 1st century no Legion was permanently stationed in Judea prior great Revolt,but smaller legionary detachments were occassionaly present.Roman forces in Judea up to that time traditionally consisted mainly from Auxiliary regiments.One legion was stationed in Judea(directly in Jerusalem)after revolt was defeated and later after 2nd great revalt 2nd legion was added to enlarge occupation forces even more.
Was the inside padded at all to keep it from pinching when you bent over? I think the Visby had a light gambeson, but did the Romans use anything besides a thin red shirt?
if you wanted to keep that armor clean and in pristine condition in long term storage, could you just put it in a barrel of oil? I don't know if there would be a difference between a vegetable oil or petroleum oil, but I am curious to know if that would work or not, and why
Hey there, I would be interested, what's the name of the fort in spain, you tell us, so many lorica segmentata were found at. :)I only know Newstead and Corbrigde and some places in Germany and France, where those fragments were found, so I'm really interested in this new information ;)Greetings, Chris
like you said the segmentata is noisy when running but can you imagine a legion jugging at the same pace toward ennemies it must has been realy intimidating!
I've seen something like a 16th c segmentata. I dunno the real name, but it was worn by cavalery too. The breastplate was like the roman version, the rest looked more like gothic armour.
Hey so this is really the only place I know to ask this, but I'm looking into getting lorica segmentata, for Halloween and just to have around for fun, but I have a very short torso in comparison to the length of my legs, like, very short, is that going to hinder me a lot when buying it? If it rests on the hips, unless it's tailor made, I'm basically screwed, right?
Wow, my country is mentioned here. Well, at least the Trophaeum Traiani at Adamclisi. Yes, the ideea of diferent armors on this and Trajan's Column is puzzling, considering they were both dedicated to the same event. Maybe it is because it depicts roman soldiers on different battlefields? The Roman legions that fought near Adamclisi had to cross quite some different types of terrains, from mounainous/hill areas to swamps in like 30km so I think chain armour would better fitted for tihs, also considering a much warmer climate. Meanwhile, legions advancing towards the main cities-strongholds(Capalna, Blidaru) and the capital of the Dacians, Sarmiszegetusza would have to fight in predominantly mountain areas, in narrow corridors, under constant threat of ambushes. So, can we assume that those going for the big prize(Capital) were the best legions with the best equipment? Also, could you search for some info if not do a video about roman relations with this region after the Aurelian Retreat? Stuff like Tabul Peutigeriana, maps, writings etc?
I decided to watch this in my Lorica Segementata - yes, it's a cheap version, but I suspect that an ordinary legionnaire would have been happy enough with it. Oh, and it's pretty comfy sitting in it (ok, a chair, not a horse).
Dragon1813 muscle cuirass mostly in the kingdom era, and used by commanders in later Roman eras. Segmentata was only really used during the very late Republican times and throughout the imperial era. Hamata(mail) and squamata used during the late kingdom days and Republican days. Squamata used occasionally throughout almost all the era's pretty much, usually by commanders similar to the muscle cuirass. Now, I'm not 100% accurate here but that should give you the basic idea.
A thought occurs metatron. the budget minded individual will go to the cheaper set simply because they can't have the other, more expensive set. but wouldn't it be possible to take an existing cheap set, disassemble it, cut off the excess material and tailor it to the individual, then resemble it to get at least a closer fit for the time being?
Thank you so much for your great informative videos, you have saved me a lot of wasted money , I have now subscribed and will watch many more of your videos:) thank you
Maybe the Segmentata in that fort was used for guard duty and other occasions where the horseman are going on foot? will the segmentata really rest on your hips? by its construction with that hoops it is collapsible into its self.
Me, back again. Sorry. Would it be possible for you to do a video (or two or more) on the use by the Japanese of music in battle? Also on the Roman's, and perhaps other cultures?
Metatron, have you received your new Segmentata from Fabrica Cacti yet? I was looking forward to seeing your comparison between it and cheeper versions of Segmentata, as well as hearing your thoughts on what difference it makes. When are going to do this video?
In terms of protections and maneuverability, how well does the Segmentata stack up compared to other types of armor such as the hatamata, musclata, medieval era chain mail and full plate?
could heavy armor block bullets from small handguns? i kinda wonder. there are 380 autos and 9mm. considering pocket pistols. i wonder if it could block it.
Bullets are why steel armor became redundant. Wrought iron armor heavy enough to stop a bullet is too heavy to move in. Modern composites changed the calculation.
Subarnalis, of two different kinds depending if they were wearing segmentata (in which case only padding under the shoulders) or hamata (fully padded). I have a video on it. Keep in mind the actual historical name is probably thoracomachus, but we all say subarmalis now.
Interesting. My guess is that even if the hypothesis that Trajan's Column using artistic license regarding who's in what armor was true, that still be reflective of the reality. That would imply, at a bare minimum, the artist has reason to associate the lorica segmentata with legionaries.
hey metatron ever thought when they say light troops they mean LIGHT in number not in armor style? this would make more sense as the roman were always heavy in infantry legions. and light in every other type of solider as they were the supports.
What is that awesome music in background around 6:25 to 7:50? Does anyone know? i know Metatron used in in his video about centurion and shinobi from For Honor...but I still can't figure it out
Metatron could u make a video about the shield symbol design? Is it possible that the thunder and wings clasical design was only used by the praetorian guard and 4 specific legions, one of them is the legio XXX ulpia victrix, i dont remember the name of the other 3 ones and I'm not in home right now
9:30 the Arch of Constantine was produced with the practice of eclecticism in which pieces of older monuments where repurposed to build the new one. I can't find any segmentata in the relief sculptures that were actually produced in Constantine's time (these can be identified by the short and stocky looking people in very high relief). The only segmentatae I've been able to find are in the pieces taken from a monument from Marcus Aurelius' time.
All segmental armours depicted there are from 2nd century reliefs but thanks to archeology we now know that this type of armour was limitedly in use until very end of the 3rd century and likely even during early 4th.Much later made re-drawings of Theodosian victory monument shows few even in context of late 4th but it is uknown if later artist only applied what he knew from collumn of Trajan on dammaged Theodosian work or if it was actually already a Roman artist who did so(Roman art is often archaic in showing equipment as artists were often inspired by older artworks)...or if it was actually correct.But if so it is not securelly attested beyond early 4th century minus segmental protection of limbs which was in use at least until 5th century and is well attested.
Also, back during the First World War (and both after and before), the Officers often rode horses while their men walked. So who says that Roman Officers didn't ride horses, but still wear Lorica Segmentata? They rode from Point A to Point B, but when it came to battle, they fought on foot, and wearing Lorica Segmentata might give them advantages other armors might not have.
Even the expensive suit seems cheap and easy to fabricate- except for the hinges and rivets- that could possibly be nice handmade work. I hope it's not spring steel or anything like that since I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be historically accurate. You could probably adapt the cheap suit to have a better shape without too much trouble and expense: unattach the whole thing, cut each ring down, reshape them a bit, reattach, and re-fit the fastenings.
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Watching at 4am.... It's pasta my bed time.
5:22 ;_;
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@@franksinatra2624 sneaky little Nazis are having fun. Stealing Nobel prizes from every one! They will steal your Nobel prize from you!
@@mrmoth26 yes now
3 years after you posted this I spit out coffee laughing reading your post, well done sir
Hey Metatron, what do you call a sleepwalking nun?
A Roamin' Catholic
Mike Watson lol
whats the next crusade themed call of duty?Pope Urban Warfare
Mike Watson
Mike Watson Must've served under the Archbishop of Banterbury
pun. how nice.
Take a shot every time he said “lorica segmentata”.
Man, this absoluhstle dstoriende mekf ahjmla.
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I’m slurring my words and speaking Latin! What is going on?! 😩😭
He said "lorica segmentata" 10 times in the first minute of the video... Oh BOI
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"I know right? Armour Porn!" ~Metatron 2017
Fucking hell, I actually had an erection... To own genuine Segmentata and a sick Meinz Gladius would be awesome! I would prefer a circular or oval shield which would probably better in a dual than a Scutum..
aaronwallerj it’s still a scutum it’s just oval rather than than a square the romans used the scutum for almost all of its recorded history
My proudest fap!
Omg, did he play greensleaves?
"If they deal with roman armour" Metatron is addicted to armour.... Now i know where he gets all this energy in his videos from.... Damn... Armour is a pretty hard drug! :O
I started off with some light chainmail for kicks. One day my friend gave me a sallet. Now I grab what I can get my hands on. Bascinet, segmentatas, Nanban dou gusoku, full European plate armor, whatever. Don't do armor, not even once.
@@americathebeautiful3577 I can relate, but I deal more in modern body armor and helmets lol
@@americathebeautiful3577 Gonna buy myself my first piece of armor soon. A replica of nasal helmet found in Lednica lake. Addiction here I come!
So happy to see an expert Historian on Roman Empire Legion equipment and ancient history keep up the Great work!
Odd fellows, those Romans ;)
Also poor auxiliaries, they really get very little credit both today and in their own time. Some auxiliaries were pretty badass, like the Batavian cavalry units which eventually composed the Emperor's bodyguard unit as Numerus Batavorum, a kind of earlier form of Varagian guard.
Damn. I was wondering about just this very thing.
I did notice how many recreations of ye-ol' armor looked like a metal barrel on the chest. All I could think was about how immobile and uncomfortable it looked. You would think that, with the armor being layered like it is, the segments could flex with the body. Those cheap ones look ridged as fuck.
I have to wonder just how flexible the Imperial armor was. It always did look badass.
I was never big on history, until i came across this channel. I've probably learned more useful and interesting information about history in 2 weeks watching these videos than i have in my entire life
You know, my dear friend, I was really never interested in the romans or their weapons and armors until I started watching your channel. Awesome stuff!
My heart physically sped up when you showed the good Segmentata.
The masterwork version reduces the mobility penalty by 1, of course.
You won't get an armor bonus unless it's enchanted, however.
You are a genuinely courteous and good person, Raf. Your gratitude in this post shows your personality so clearly (as do years of Metatron videos). So glad I found your channel. Keep up the great work and it's nice to be a supporter.
How do you not run out of ideas? Are you just that well studied on these things already or are you constantly learning about new things that interest you?
At least Chuck Norris isn't dead!
....too soon?
He is an immortal creature living among humanity since the beginning, he experienced everything he talks about first hand...
DJBranden I know what your up to? ;)
Prophet hahaha
GermanCurl this is some high quality high level trolling - :)
9 people own a cheap lorica segmentata and disliked the video... XD
I own a cheap version - still liked!
@@neilgriffiths6427 are cheaps ok? atleast ok?
this vid made it seem like they are trash on the floor VS target.
@@neilgriffiths6427Do you still like the cheap armour? Like for the uses you have it for, still does the job and looks good to those who aren’t like well trained eyes for the differences
Metatron I'm wanting to know of which Roman soldier was better, the early Roman soldier that everyone knows about, or the late Roman soldier.
Holy Knight obviously the early Romans that we know about
Late, from my reading of the topic, and I'm no expert, it's sort of assumed the later Roman Empire was weaker than the earlier one, rather than the fact that Rome's potential enemies had grown much stronger and were much closer technologically and tactically, rather than the earlier barbarians.
From a pure evolutionary point, later tactics and equipment is likely to have been an improvement.
Lewis Carlin that's very good you're correct the early Empire was great my emperor Caesar was assassinated and betrayed by the Senate and the praetorian guards Rome will rise again they will be another Gaius Julius Caesar
Holy Knight hello my friend
Metatron you inspired me to get my own set of Roman armour, your channel is awesome.
Can you make a video about the column of Traian ? This war is forgotten and does not receive the proper attention (and is probably the roman army at is bests fighting the dacians). It should also bring some new fans in Romania. I am interested in your point of view.
And Ste As a fan from Romania I second this.
@@MaxRavenclaw cool it gypsyboy
I've heard it suggested that the Romans mass produced the plates in various sizes and it was left to the soldiers to select, purchase and assemble a cuirass that fitted them, no armorer required.
yes indeed.
When he said "armor porn" I actually felt relieved because I was thinking the same thing.
Metatron, could you make a video on Japanese chain mail (Materials, differences between European, ext.)?
Shark Wrestler mail* just mail.
Well I would expect maille to also be referred to as the entire armor itself, in those periods I remember maille being not just chainmail but everything. I may be wrong
Iirc one of them (metatron, easton, etc) explained that it was just called mail. And that chainmail is a modern fantasy term.
well either way Metatron will understand.
I believe the goal of this video was to illustrate the difference between good and poor quality segmentata. If this was its intention it fails miserably because no such points or cross comparisons were made other than a long distance shot of the armor guy in a filed with cheapola on. No comparisons of materials and construction techniques were mentioned just really a lotta blabber i found it uninformative and so now I still don't know. Many thanks I wish you well in all your future endeavors. Cheers
I bought my Lorica segmentata for only £93.83 and it came with a fully metal engraved centurion helmet. So it is a good deal and all. It’s not bad. It’s sturdy, flexible, light and good as I’m on a budget. Once I have the money I’m planning on getting a custom tailored set of Lorica segmentata from arm street craftsmanship, they do very nice pieces, pricy, but handcrafted to you’re tailoring. I got some greaves from them. Very nice pieces. I might get the chest plate in the future.
How many times did he say lorica segmentata xD
It makes him happy let him say it!
With regard to how Legions were equipped, a Legion might use (or not use) a particular type of armor may depend upon two things, first what the Quartermaster has in his warehouses, or could be gathered quickly, and secondly of all the preferences of the Commanding Officer of the Legion. This no doubt happened in the Roman Army and still happens today.
There were evidences that some Gallian Auxiliaries were equipped with Lorica Segmentata, especially since Gaul is Rome's primary recruitment hub for their Cavalry and Heavy Infantry Auxiliaries, both of which gets higher pay than Light Infantry or Skirmisher Auxiliaries.
i like it. going to make my own cause i dont live in Europe and shipping is bad in my country. hope to see more of your channel. all ways a big fan.
You should have put 5$ segmentata vs 500000$ segmentata for dem viewz
you would get a cardboard lorica segmentata for 5$ lol
@@Corus3 I would pay $5 for cardboard segmentata.
Ah, thank you for this. I've been looking for a good suit of Segmentata.
On Trajan's column some of the segmentata seems to have rolled edges. I thought the expensive armor would have that too.
Came to learn between quality and cheap armor, got stuck with a history lesson. The only distinguishing feature of good armor you mentioned was the fit/shape!
Metatron keep making great videos man and I want you to know that I appreciate your content and knowledge have a good evening or day depending on where you are 😄
learning by doing, this is what I like, and I look forward to seeing the experiments you will make in the future, this will be an interesting window into the past bringing it closer to the present.
Precisely how I feel about it too :)
My eyes starte glowing when i saw that perfect armor
I think you will find a significant difference in a well made tailored set. Might take some of the weight off the shoulders. I had noticed the cylindrical curass in your set. But I really didn't think about it actually being tailored. Can easily be done with pre fabricated segments. As new troops are fitted by the armorer.
Thank you for such an awesome video and introducing me to a fun New tongue twister, "Lorica Segmentata". Seriously, your knowledge on armor helps me out a bunch in my artwork when I'm trying to draw believable battle gear.
I have a cheap one, though I’m trying to make it better. I’m not even an armorer, I’m just trying to fix it so it actually fits me
The italian Speed he has at saying lorica segmentata allways impresses me. :D
"eyyyy noble ones what a pleasure to see you here" -metatron
Looking forward for seeing that testing on the field
I can't wait to see your new pieces! I'd like to request more videos on the great vowel shift that was really interesting
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Metatron, a bit of a technical question regarding the Lorica design. I did own a suit for 15 years and used it, I think it was from Windless. I know I did not take the best care of it, but the interior leather backing dried out in places, causing the rivets to slip from it. I repaired the armor myself, which was a pain in the butt, but, when I redid the rivets, on the inside I placed a wide flat washer, easy to find the correct size and it gave them the additional support needed. Other then for historical accuracy, even the pictures of the good quality suit lacked what I did. Why is this not done with new suits? I cannot be the only one that this has happened too. It was a hard job doing the repairs. Sadly, one reason I haven't gotten a suit again.
Hi Metatron, I love your videos. Could you make a video on Paveza, the shield used by crossbowman in late middle ages? How often was it used and did crossbowmen have the Paveza on their back in the battle or was it always on the ground while being used? Why was it not used more through history? Was it because it was too impractical, too expensive for their use or just nobody thought of it?
This Armor is such a beauty.
I wore segmentata tailored to myself for a full day. Sure it works fine and I was able to! BUT! And here is a big one. My trapz were KILLING me at the end of the day! So I had to make a padded shirt with wool pillows on my shoulders. That was the only way I could get through a full day without being sore for 3 days afterwards. Then there is the issue of wear and tear. Wearing it a lot really put stress on the leather straps thoughout the armour, and required constabt repair no matter how good quality leather i used.
If going out "in the field" i would probably always take a good padded jacket with a hamata over it ANY DAY OF THE WEEK! It is easier to repair on the go, weight is better distributed. You get more mobility from it and honestly, with the big shield, you would be a lot more comfortable going into battle.
My conclusion from both armour was this: If I fought defensively, protecting a city where I didn't have to travel much, and had the infrastructure to support repairing the segmentata I would wear it because it offers better protection and often the enemy would want to come for me, not the other way around.
If going on an offensive/expansion campaign where I didn't have the same infrastructure and would have to carry/repair most/all my own gear on the roads and wear my equipment more or less all day every day - the hamata would be FAR superior to the segmentata!
Definitely one of the best chanles on youtube!!!
I was always wondering why the hell lorica segmentata have such hole in the middle of the chest.
now I understand that it was just your cheap replica :)
BTW, good luck with new armor - looking forward for new videos
I would like someone with really nothing to do go through all your videos and make a compilation of everytime you say "lorica segmentata" throughout your videos, it's almost amazing how you manage to squeeze in those two words in EVERYTHING, example:
Video about samurai, you say something like "the japanese armor you see here have layers, just like a lorica segmentata but...".
Video about vikings and you talk about them having no layered armor and just ringarmor or no armor at all and YET you squeeze in something like "unlike the roman lorica segmentata the viking armor bla bla.." haha.
Love your stuff, don't get me wrong but you DO have an addiction to that word! ;)
Awesome video. On the subject of the cav armour, I believe the segmentata found on the site would belong to the garrison, and not the billeted cav unit. Just my take on the subject.
Mine was made by a supplier for UK reinactment groups, it does overlap and come in at the waist but not as much as the one in the video. Perhaps a mid-range set! 😄
Raffaello, very good job! When you will talk about medieval reenactment, could you please even stress the attention on the clothing of a soldier or a nobleman, in order to give useful advises for those who wanted to do a correct reenactment? Finding infos about armour is quite simple, but it's very difficult to find advises on clothing 😅
I have a question regarding cheap armors, would a roman legionary who was from a poor backround have supply his own armor and thus end up with roman era equilevant of that cheap replicate or was the (basic) equipment provided by the state so that each legionary had armor of at least reasonble quality even if it wasn't amazing?
Which armour did the Cornicen/Tubicen/Buccinaetors wear? I wonder if different types of armour would have had an effect on playing?
Yes the new one looks much more realistic. I think the old one had gaps in it even when you had it buckled up. When you get the new segmentata how about a special on the Ermine Street Guard?
Hey Metatron, what do you think about Giro d`Italia? Did this really great event or its very specific in inner circules of people? Do you like ride on bycicle?))
Did you buy the lorica and the scutum or you made them? And if it`s possible could you make a video about the making of the scutum and the lorica?
Did you every get the new armour? I can't find the videos.
Hey metatron,
The lorica is high maintaince during roman time. What is a alternative armour to this? Diffrent culture etc has somewhat same protection? Or maybe a diffrent time frame.
During the first century ad in the Roman occupation of Judea, what was the armor did the Soldiers wear, and were there Legionnairies, or just auxiliaries?
All three major armour types used by the common infantry were in use at that time.That is chainmail shirt,Scale shirt and segmental debated in this video.These all were used at the same time.Worst thing you could do would be to imagine it like if they wore uniformly just one type-they clearly never did.At the start of that century mainly chainmail was in use,at the end of that century segmental armour would be also well present though it is impossible to say how much commonly if compared with scale and chain armours.During 1st century no Legion was permanently stationed in Judea prior great Revolt,but smaller legionary detachments were occassionaly present.Roman forces in Judea up to that time traditionally consisted mainly from Auxiliary regiments.One legion was stationed in Judea(directly in Jerusalem)after revolt was defeated and later after 2nd great revalt 2nd legion was added to enlarge occupation forces even more.
what a remarkable prononciation of lorica segmentata :) i like italian accent
What's the difference between the casual "Vale" and what I think I heard Metatron say: "Valete"? (Is it just that, the formality?)
Was the inside padded at all to keep it from pinching when you bent over? I think the Visby had a light gambeson, but did the Romans use anything besides a thin red shirt?
Look at Metatrons video, he has one video that awnser that.
Will you be conducting the same experiment with the properly made lorica? I'd be interested to see if the outcome is different.
if you wanted to keep that armor clean and in pristine condition in long term storage, could you just put it in a barrel of oil? I don't know if there would be a difference between a vegetable oil or petroleum oil, but I am curious to know if that would work or not, and why
Hey there, I would be interested, what's the name of the fort in spain, you tell us, so many lorica segmentata were found at. :)I only know Newstead and Corbrigde and some places in Germany and France, where those fragments were found, so I'm really interested in this new information ;)Greetings, Chris
i don't know whay but i love how lorica segmentata sounds :)
Too bad its not Roman name for it .-)
Talking about lorica segmentata, would it makes sense to put padding between the shoulder plates to reduce running noise ?
like you said the segmentata is noisy when running but can you imagine a legion jugging at the same pace toward ennemies it must has been realy intimidating!
I've seen something like a 16th c segmentata. I dunno the real name, but it was worn by cavalery too. The breastplate was like the roman version, the rest looked more like gothic armour.
@Megatatron how are people falling left and right by swords with all this armor? I've been wondering that for a year now.
Hey so this is really the only place I know to ask this, but I'm looking into getting lorica segmentata, for Halloween and just to have around for fun, but I have a very short torso in comparison to the length of my legs, like, very short, is that going to hinder me a lot when buying it? If it rests on the hips, unless it's tailor made, I'm basically screwed, right?
Wow, my country is mentioned here. Well, at least the Trophaeum Traiani at Adamclisi. Yes, the ideea of diferent armors on this and Trajan's Column is puzzling, considering they were both dedicated to the same event. Maybe it is because it depicts roman soldiers on different battlefields? The Roman legions that fought near Adamclisi had to cross quite some different types of terrains, from mounainous/hill areas to swamps in like 30km so I think chain armour would better fitted for tihs, also considering a much warmer climate.
Meanwhile, legions advancing towards the main cities-strongholds(Capalna, Blidaru) and the capital of the Dacians, Sarmiszegetusza would have to fight in predominantly mountain areas, in narrow corridors, under constant threat of ambushes. So, can we assume that those going for the big prize(Capital) were the best legions with the best equipment?
Also, could you search for some info if not do a video about roman relations with this region after the Aurelian Retreat? Stuff like Tabul Peutigeriana, maps, writings etc?
I decided to watch this in my Lorica Segementata - yes, it's a cheap version, but I suspect that an ordinary legionnaire would have been happy enough with it. Oh, and it's pretty comfy sitting in it (ok, a chair, not a horse).
Just to clarify, when did Rome use Segmentata, Chain Mail and Plate Muscle breastplates?
Dragon1813 muscle cuirass mostly in the kingdom era, and used by commanders in later Roman eras.
Segmentata was only really used during the very late Republican times and throughout the imperial era.
Hamata(mail) and squamata used during the late kingdom days and Republican days. Squamata used occasionally throughout almost all the era's pretty much, usually by commanders similar to the muscle cuirass.
Now, I'm not 100% accurate here but that should give you the basic idea.
A thought occurs metatron. the budget minded individual will go to the cheaper set simply because they can't have the other, more expensive set. but wouldn't it be possible to take an existing cheap set, disassemble it, cut off the excess material and tailor it to the individual, then resemble it to get at least a closer fit for the time being?
When will you make this video where you compare the Segmentatas?
Thank you so much for your great informative videos, you have saved me a lot of wasted money , I have now subscribed and will watch many more of your videos:) thank you
Maybe the Segmentata in that fort was used for guard duty and other occasions where the horseman are going on foot?
will the segmentata really rest on your hips? by its construction with that hoops it is collapsible into its self.
Excellent video as always! I hope to see some cool new armour soon. :)
Me, back again. Sorry. Would it be possible for you to do a video (or two or more) on the use by the Japanese of music in battle? Also on the Roman's, and perhaps other cultures?
I wonder why they abandoned the lorca segmetata? It seems the precursor to the suite of armour.
Metatron, have you received your new Segmentata from Fabrica Cacti yet? I was looking forward to seeing your comparison between it and cheeper versions of Segmentata, as well as hearing your thoughts on what difference it makes. When are going to do this video?
In terms of protections and maneuverability, how well does the Segmentata stack up compared to other types of armor such as the hatamata, musclata, medieval era chain mail and full plate?
could heavy armor block bullets from small handguns? i kinda wonder. there are 380 autos and 9mm. considering pocket pistols. i wonder if it could block it.
From modern pistols with jacked bullets historical armour won't stop it.
Bullets are why steel armor became redundant. Wrought iron armor heavy enough to stop a bullet is too heavy to move in.
Modern composites changed the calculation.
what kind of padding did romans wear under their metal armour?
Subarnalis, of two different kinds depending if they were wearing segmentata (in which case only padding under the shoulders) or hamata (fully padded).
I have a video on it.
Keep in mind the actual historical name is probably thoracomachus, but we all say subarmalis now.
Interesting. My guess is that even if the hypothesis that Trajan's Column using artistic license regarding who's in what armor was true, that still be reflective of the reality. That would imply, at a bare minimum, the artist has reason to associate the lorica segmentata with legionaries.
Wouldn't it be super easy to stab UP through the segments?
Metatron do you know if there is historical information on Miyamoto Musashi's fighting techniques
Can you make a video on the crusades and why they happened?
hey metatron ever thought when they say light troops they mean LIGHT in number not in armor style? this would make more sense as the roman were always heavy in infantry legions. and light in every other type of solider as they were the supports.
What is that awesome music in background around 6:25 to 7:50? Does anyone know? i know Metatron used in in his video about centurion and shinobi from For Honor...but I still can't figure it out
Metatron could u make a video about the shield symbol design? Is it possible that the thunder and wings clasical design was only used by the praetorian guard and 4 specific legions, one of them is the legio XXX ulpia victrix, i dont remember the name of the other 3 ones and I'm not in home right now
you are my English comprension test. best italian regards
im too broke to get one tailored or made from fabrica cacti, can i just get one from battle merchant? will it atleast be OK?
didn't the Auxilia very often consist of mercenaries?
are you going to buy 13th century armour of Norther Europe or Italy ? Or ells ?
9:30 the Arch of Constantine was produced with the practice of eclecticism in which pieces of older monuments where repurposed to build the new one. I can't find any segmentata in the relief sculptures that were actually produced in Constantine's time (these can be identified by the short and stocky looking people in very high relief). The only segmentatae I've been able to find are in the pieces taken from a monument from Marcus Aurelius' time.
All segmental armours depicted there are from 2nd century reliefs but thanks to archeology we now know that this type of armour was limitedly in use until very end of the 3rd century and likely even during early 4th.Much later made re-drawings of Theodosian victory monument shows few even in context of late 4th but it is uknown if later artist only applied what he knew from collumn of Trajan on dammaged Theodosian work or if it was actually already a Roman artist who did so(Roman art is often archaic in showing equipment as artists were often inspired by older artworks)...or if it was actually correct.But if so it is not securelly attested beyond early 4th century minus segmental protection of limbs which was in use at least until 5th century and is well attested.
Also, back during the First World War (and both after and before), the Officers often rode horses while their men walked. So who says that Roman Officers didn't ride horses, but still wear Lorica Segmentata? They rode from Point A to Point B, but when it came to battle, they fought on foot, and wearing Lorica Segmentata might give them advantages other armors might not have.
How could I get a set of segmentata and or the whole Roman armor
Even the expensive suit seems cheap and easy to fabricate- except for the hinges and rivets- that could possibly be nice handmade work. I hope it's not spring steel or anything like that since I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be historically accurate.
You could probably adapt the cheap suit to have a better shape without too much trouble and expense: unattach the whole thing, cut each ring down, reshape them a bit, reattach, and re-fit the fastenings.
Mild steel is absolutely fine, spring would be futuristic for them.
My thoughts too.