hmm.. I find it strange now that you say that.. that is has NOT for me lol... Somethin not right in my upstairs maybe... Oh wait... people are scarier. See? Logic XD
Amber Harris was scuba diving one day, and came across a cave, and decided to investigate. (Never find yourself in a Mr. Ballen scuba diving story). :)
Or, if for some reason I did end up mysteriously going missing, in spite of my risk averse lifestyle, I hope Mr. Ballen tells my story so everyone knows I absolutely did NOT disappear of my own free will, and that at least I went down fighting. lol
Well both men decided they wanted to. I don’t think any of them were forced to do so. And while one was trying to force the other one to keep going he was correct because of they had them he wouldn’t be dead.
@@wesleyparker9368 He was physically unable to keep going. The leader was not empathetic to his fitness level. He even kept a distance from him for the night. If I was the strongest in a group I'd be looking after the others. If one of them was so exhausted they had to lay down in the snow without putting up a tent, to me that's an emergency situation which requires immediate action.
@@louiseallen5298 Thank you. Unfortunately plenty of people will pressure us who don't really care about our well-being. That's dangerous and irresponsible.
Good advice. I once was shooting off rockets with my nephew, and one of them landed on the roof of a building. We were on an elementary school field. I wanted to retrieve the rocket, so we climbed on top of a bench, next to the roof edge, and I hoisted my nephew up, he was only about 11 at the time, to the edge of the roof. I ask him, can you climb onto it? He said no, he didn't have enough leverage. So I didn't insist he keep trying and push him further onto the edge, otherwise, he could've slipped, fell on the ground, and gotten seriously hurt. I figured, my nephew's safety was more important than retrieving a model rocket.
My friend Bonnie Gittoe disappeared, In thin air , I can't understand it, or believe it, I pray where she is we will know one day , I pray, God please find her.
My dad got lost in the wilderness when I was a kid. He said he had just been following the trail and then it got a little unclear and he and his friend were immediately lost. They were lost for days. I remember talking to him when he finally got to a phone and he told me he has carved me something out of wood. When I saw him in person and asked about the wood carved thing, he had no idea what I was talking about. Idk what happens in that situation but I think the exposure and cold makes people lose their minds and hallucinate, which might explain some of the strange behaviors.
I call these episodes as "wild mania". Incredibly terrifying state of mind that people lost In the wilderness come down with. Just an incredible flashing of your conscious reality dipping into nonordinary states of reasoning so unreal that your eyes can be open, staring, and your feet walking, but all you are aware of is racing and contradicting thoughts dominating what you perceive. I've had it while lost on a hike once before. It can ONLY get worse, not better because it just circles and caves back in on itself getting deeper. You have a very loose grip on logic and should that hold break then *BAM* you're a part of someones creepy youtube story. I'm glad your father made it, stay safe!
@@PueMonTen wow, sounds like a panic attack, maybe a prolonged one. You can't grab onto any simple little chunk of reality that would ordinarily ground you. Horrible.
Usually when you’re unable to know which direction you’re going in a forest and become lost, you start to lose your mind a bit, it’s pretty terrifying. That’s why it’s so important to be able to tell which direction you are going whether at day or night, summer or winter. One of the best ways to know in a forest is to look where moss is growing the most along the base of trees. The majority of the moss on any tree, plant, or rock will be on the north side of that object. If you know which way is north, then you can know all the other directions as well. And even if you are lost, you will be able to know which direction you’re moving in, in most cases you would know which way civilization is and start walking that way.
True. Though there have been some cases on this channel where hikers have mobile phones and gps systems all with service but never use them. Strange how one could go mad before contacting someone for help. And it doesnt explain how some just disappear from a few feet behind another person
Never leave your buddy behind and never give up! A few years ago my friends and I went on a backpacking trip. We left so late the by the time we had gotten as far as we had, the sun had gone down and there was no moon, so it was just about pitch black. My buddy was unprepared and totally exhausted, his pack was in total disarray and he didn't have the right gear. I had to convince my friend to keep moving down the trail to the campsite that our friends were at, as they had hiked ahead of us. He was at the very edge of completely giving up, but I refused to leave him. We did not know how much further down the trail we had to go. We were deep in the wilderness and I knew if I had left him there he would have decided to make the much longer trek back to the car alone and exhausted. There were a lot of predators (mountain lions, bears, etc..) in this territory and I knew in my gut it was a bad idea. I told him to get off of his f-ing a$$ and f-ing MARCH. Harsh language can be quite damn effective. The campsite was only some 500m away around a large corner in the trail, we made it there. Always stick together, leave no man behind, no matter what!
Yup... It's better they get pissed off than pissed on... or dead. The reality is that whenever you're actually "testing your metal", it's risky... and it CAN really go south on you. Things turn into a crisis in short order, so keep your wits about you... Having a contingency for an unprepared buddy is a massive advantage, AND resist the urge to get into "the finger pointing game"... Shame and guilt are the MOTHER'S of all killers of humans in the wild places. It's the slightest crisis situation (something's gone wrong and shit's real)... and too easily people start asking all the worst questions, wasting time and energy they don't have. "Why'd this have to happen to us?" or "If you'd just known what the hell you were doing..." or "I thought you had the tool we needed!" and a favorite, "You had ONE job!" Stop it. That shit might be okay when you're a dumb-ass noob camping in your own backyard or a community park with a TOPS 15 minute walk in any direction to help... It don't cut it in the real wilds. Focus on the PROBLEM... The correct questions are things like "Okay... so with no damn can opener, how DO we open the friggin' beans? Because I ain't starving to death TODAY!!!" or "Welp... The noob' fell so who's losing some cloth so we can splint that leg? AND one of us has to get some kind of crutch together... or a litter." OR even "No matches or lighter... Good god damn thing I never go anywhere without the mag-bar!" AND yes... If you have to get crude and piss 'em off... anger can be a good source of energy. It kicks into a taste of "fight" syndrome, because you need them to get up and keep going... Use it in measured doses, because too much of it, and they get desensitized to it... It can become a joke. You don't need that either... ;o)
Sometimes you have make someone mad enough and determined enough that the rage empowers them to succeed and gives them the energy to break through. Like me and my best friend. When one of us won’t try something that we are 100% capable of and sure we can do, we tell each other that we can’t, we’ll tell each other “you can’t do it, you can’t do it, you won’t, your not capable” and stuff like that, until a eventually that builds up, creates determination and a little bit of stubborn anger, and then we succeed, so sometimes this strategy helps but only when it’s best to be used. We obviously don’t do this for stuff that’s serious, but stuff like doing a backflip, running nonstop for 5 minutes, working the courage to climb a a little ways up a 10 foot rock face, it’s only physical challenges we do this.
@@darthmaul2005 It's okay when you are somewhat restrictive, and remember to STAY trustworthy with your friend(s) about it... It loses potency when it's overdone... AND getting each other into trouble with the "egging on" can similarly break down the trust and cause problems... My friends and I would give each other HORRIBLE crap about "being weak" or "candy-assing" about things when we knew it was do-able... BUT we also quite often reminded each other "Maybe the only reason it hasn't been done before is because YOU haven't done it yet." as a sort of "pick up"... When you have friends like that, they can really raise your spirits and help you believe in yourself, too. ;o)
@@antoniomigueljimenezmartin4018 Google says three days, one day until the dog gets to a serious condition. Although the dogs could have been given water before the ladies left. We offer our dog water on every stop on longer drives, in summer I even leave him water when he waits for me outside a shop.
One of the most frustrating things about these cases where people got lost and end up someplace they shouldn't be is that there are people who have had this kind of thing happen to them that were still alive, but they don't remember what happened.
Mr Ballen is so legendary he doesn't need a clickbait title ... He is the only youtube who can use the same title over and over again and we will still listen to his video
It’s an algorithm thing, certain words and grouping of words that are searched often get bumped up. Mad respect to MB though for knowing how to play the game! The key words and algorithm bings us here, the quality of his vids makes us subscribe and stick around
I love how you make damn sure the 411 book gets the credit right from the start. Respect. I’m gonna go buy this book on my audible account because you held it up at the beginning of the video.
I watch & listen to these stories & every time I go over the story my mom would tell me. When I was an infant, 1989, & on our way home from a family visit from San Jose CA. Going down I5, my mom saw a car behind us acting erratic & flashing their high beams, as it was dark out now at this point. We had no cell phone as it was 1990. My mom looked at me & I was asleep. Feeling uncomfortable & not wanting to stop, as it's just her & me, her infant daughter. The vehicle appeared to have 2 male figures in it. The vehicle, after several miles of acting erratic, gave up & drove off an exit. Much time later, my mom was watching the news & they were covering a story about 2 men who were captured for acting erratic on I5, flashing their lights at specific motorists, getting the lone woman to stop, claim they needed assistance & would in turn take the woman & murder her. These killers were known as the I5 killers. Thank all for a protective mother's intuition, otherwise we may not be here today
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Ignoring... Whatever the commentator above using all caps is on, not even going to risk @ mentioning that disaster - your mom made an awesome choice. Never make a stop alone, especially if you're of a more vulnerable demographic. Other good general tips are to never stop in unpopulated areas, particularly at night, and to never stop to help someone unless you feel safe and comfortable doing so. You can always call the cops when you're out of harms way, but you can't raise yourself from the dead!
If you're sleeping on a trail in a snow storm with someone....why would you not be sleeping right up against each other? Or at least right next to them????
I thought the same thing, not even just for warmth but for safety as well, you are on an exposed trail in the wilderness, unarmed, with seemingly no one near. I don't think I would be able to sleep like that I have enough trouble sleeping in a locked house in a semi-safe neighborhood.
I mean whatever can drag a grown man 3 miles in those weather conditions would probably just have easily ended Ben too, in the end that's part of the dangers of sleeping in the open like that, respect the forest and always try to have shelter to atleast be well hidden from predators, won't catch me sleeping in nothing but a sleeping bag in the middle of the woods nature can be merciless
@@DJDELTIX The problem is, predators kill. They don't drag you a ways and then unlace your boots and place them next to you. Or drag you a ways and then let you take your own boots off lol. It's an odd event for sure. I do agree in general though, about the dangers of just busting out a sleeping bag in the middle of a path, climbing in and going to sleep. Especially when you're only within visual distance rather than being together. Being "camped" together, with their kit and a small fire might have been enough to save them both. It's a sad story and I'd imagine his survivors guilt is absolutely crushing.
I think that the woman in the first story was being chased by either someone or something. If it were me, I would run off of a cliff before I'd be killed by a psychopath or an animal.
@@eebdea that is often found in missing 411 cases. a really weird detail but it’s almost always they are naked with only shoes or they took their shoes off and placed them carefully together
I know this a really old video, but I thought I'd mention that, while dogs are allowed on the paved paths at Craters of the Moon, most of the park is covered in shale that can severely injure a dog's paws, so that may be why they left them in the truck.
I know the place, I've slept at Tri Corners. I came from the Tennessee side. If you went from the nearest parking area straight there it would be 12 miles. Never been crazy enough to do that. Never been crazy to hike up there in that kind of weather. The last time I hiked in the Smokies (and stayed at Tri) we cut our 6 day trip off on day 4 with bad weather visibly approaching. Hiked down to the Gap and thumbed a ride to Gatlinburg.
@@Couplescience That's what I was thinking. His friend might have still been asleep at the time as well, so his brain hears Mark screaming for help and creates the visual scene of him being dragged away in a dream. If the weather was still bad, a large predator could have accidently stumbled onto Mark, both Mark and the animal get scared and run away from each other.
That thing about the wind sounding like cars on a road is very real. I've backpacked in Yosemite several times and there are several trails and routes I've done where it sounded exactly like I was walking next to a busy road when in reality I was super far from anything. It can be very disconcerting. Always take a map and compass!
At girl scout camp we got lost in a national forest. We thought we heard the river and it flowed by the camp so we kept walking and walking toward the sound. It turned out to be the highway on the complete other side of the forest. We had to climb a fence to get to the highway and a farmer put us in the bed of his truck and took us to the front gate of the park. That was the in 60's. Sound can be tricky.
@@grammichal6759 Herons? I'm surrounded by herons in Florida but now that I have a house, they're just just interested in standing absolutely still near bushes to gobble up lizards.
I've worked and lived in and around the wilderness all my life and Jeanie's story %100 sounds like an animal attack. On the trail alone for more than 30 minutes with no other people around that didn't have alibis. I've looked into this specific situation and what really clinched it for me was the boot print going against the marked trail. As I say I've been in the woods the majority of my life and the only time I've ever left a trail against my will was when an animal or stranger was chasing/following me...
Probably she was chased by bear or mountain lion and ran across trails to try and avoid it. When it continued to chase her she started to panic and run and didn't see cliff or thought it was a better option than the creature and went off cliff at high speed. That's my theory
@@markcharles6744 I've read what the tracker theorized and he makes a lot of sense. She ignored the trail because she believed she was near a road and the trail would take her away from the road.
I always wonder how many of these people were murdered but we’ll never know. There’s so many killers undetected across the world.... that shit haunts me.
@@Josue-xd5ru we as a species legit carved out entire countries worth of land to build houses, shops, etc. just stay the hell out of the nature that is left, that's supernatural and killer natural territory. The animals and any possiple supernatural elements have their space we have ours.
@Cait B. Same here. There's enough history to know that there are depraved humans who like to hunt human prey in wooded national, state, even local parks.
@@CoffeeZombi-ATL1 Our world is older than the human mind can comprehend who knows what has walked this planet......the nature that is left is Ancient land and should be respected as such.
Bruh my absolute favorite genre of movie is horror, the gorier the better, but I will walk out of a theatre before I watch even a FAKE doggy death they don't deserve it
I got lost in the woods of Mount Lassen as when I was like 7 and I remember at one point crossing over a trail. I had been so panicked it didn't even register right away, I was just running randomly. I stopped at one point and sat down and I remember knowing I saw the path but at that point I didnt know what direction it was in. So I started walking again calmer and eventually came to another path, I heard voices and was found by a couple of guys who walked me back to camp. I cant imagine an adult doing that unless they were outright histerical.
Lava flow hiking. Now that's something I know a thing or two about. Walking off that trail isn't a big deal. Your biggest concern is tripping and maybe break a leg or arm. Someone attacked those women. People have been hiking/walking over lava flows in Hawaii for centuries without trails. The same at Craters of The Moon. In Hawaii when someone goes missing and is never found it's presumed they got too close to an unstable part of the sea cliff by an active lava flow ocean entry and fell in.
I'm thinking maybe they decided to experiment with something that caused hallucinations.... Not too unusual for people to go out to remote places for that kind of thing....
You should look up the story of lava tubes in Malta where children & their teachers disappeared in & even though they could be heard crying nobody could get them out. But, more than that one tourist went into one of these tubes & saw something that terrified her. Terrified me too...
Is it possible they had the dogs with them and the dogs returned to the vehicle after? I'm not even half convinced that would be true as I wrote that. We have many legends of loyal dogs waiting with their deceased owners for help and of loyal dogs waiting for their owners where they are told to for vast amounts of time. (One of our most famous is The Dog on the Tucker Box). I wonder if the women could be overcome or disoriented by some sort of gas? Sulphur maybe? We have volcanic plugs in some National Parks here 🇦🇺 but I've never heard of my country having lava tubes or lava fields. I'm curious about the conditions in those areas that have them. The circumstances with the find of the vehicle, could be they picked up a hitch-hiker (or two) who forced them to leave purses, phones and dogs in the vehicle and walked them away. Maybe chased them to the more inaccessible areas? Could they have died from exposure in that area at that time? Urgh - this story has my mind racing for possibilities more than any other!
@@pappazmurf that sound is actually scientifical and made to creep you out, google "fear frequency". it's being used in a lot of horror movies to create that "hair rising" feeling when something is about to happen
Jeanie may have been running from something in the dark when she fell off the cliff into the water below. In that scenario she may have had enough momentum to clear the rocks and trees landing directly in the water.
@@blurryperson2685 That's my guess, a bear. But then where were rest of her clothes? If they were shredded they would have found them. She wasn't eaten. Maybe a mama bear protecting cubs?
With Ben and Chris, why didn't they huddle together given the extreme cold and snow? Why on earth is there any reason to sleep far away from each other when there's a risk of hypothermia setting in. Two women would cuddle together with each other, or with dogs if they were available; anything for warmth. This one decision to sleep apart cost a life.
I know!! Whenever I catch an upload when it’s released I try look for the secret and listen but find myself so intent on the content and his storytelling, I totally forget about it. 😆
@@Catherine-wt3st Usually there’s a small picture or the like button (thumbs up icon) hidden in the background. The first person to comment what it is and the time stamp gets their comment pinned. Go back in other videos and click on the time stamp of the pinned comment and look around.
@@Catherine-wt3st every video there is some sort of secret picture hidden somewhere within the video and the first person to find it and comment correctly gets their comment pinned at the top by Mr Ballen
In the 3rd story, I think Mark just got lost! What Ben heard was Mark calling for help a couple hundred feet off the trail. Mark must've gotten up to pee, find a warmer place to lie down or spot for his tent. But he immediately got lost, screamed for help and possibly banged rocks or sticks to make more noise, then stumbled around looking for the trail, exhausted, confused, frustrated. I believe he was delirious and hypothermic or something, and took his own boots off. The being "dragged off" is just a complete figment of Bens dream he was waking up from. Pretty normal for that to happen tbh 😅 I gotta say, I think Ben should have forced Mark to get in his sleeping bag and get a flashlight out for multiple reasons. Also its not a great idea to sleep on the trail. As someone who has trapped game multiple times, the dangerous kinds of large mammals will occasionally walk trails to get around more quickly and quietly at night, not to mention early hikers coming by
@@mommawolf9653 🤦, I appreciate you humouring me as I was in no way omitting myself from this worst case scenario situation. Along the lines of endlessly tramping up & down without bearings & round & round in circles hopelessly lost with absolutely no idea.....where the two of you had parked the car in one of those gigantic shopping malls. So easy to simply sit down & give up hope of ever being found. 😞
In regards to Jeanie’s missing case, it’s interesting to note that serial killer Cary Stayner started working as a handyman in Yosemite in 1997. Wonder if he was in the area earlier & had anything to do with Jeanie’s case.
Oh my God I just posted the same exact thing. Then I wondered if any Californians would recall that so I decided to scroll and just found your comment. Before he was employed at the park, Stayner used to go up there to swim nude and get high. It's a very good chance she was running away from that creep.
I was just thinking the same thing that she was chased. It's why she would've crossed the path instead of follow it to try and lose who was chasing her. Perhaps she was naked because when the killer caught her they did horrible things and dumped her body in a remote lake to get rid of the evidence. Since she was so badly decomposed they couldn't say what killed her. It's truly tragic what happened to her. May her soul find peace.
The two women being found dead in the lava field has to be the most intriguing unsolved mystery I've seen on this channel. I wonder if maybe a really poorly timed gas release from the area could have played a role?
@@kevinmalone3210 If I was with them I wouldn’t leave my dead or ill friends and continue my trip to die elsewhere miles from them! As they left their purses and cellphones back in the car assuming leaving the dogs was for safety for the ground there was not fit for them to walk on, I’m thinking something stopped them while they were driving, forced them to get out then probably picked them up as they both passed out of being frightened or experienced cardiac arrest from fright then place one here abd the other one miles away for humans (us) to solve. They had fun doing it. I can swear they are spirits. They hate humankind and manipulate with them all the time.
This is an interesting theory. When MrB said about how remote it is and how easy it could be to attack someone and get away, all I could think was "but then surely it'd be easy to dispose of their bodies, too, so why leave them out for people to find with potential evidence etc?"
@@hana.the.writer5074 if I find myself in a survival situation and my friend has died, I'm not hanging around to die there, too. No sense in staying with a corpse, you need to try and save yourself.
Mark’s story sounds a lot like severe hypothermia to me. It can make you delirious and act in ways that make little sense- he could have just thought “I gotta get off the mountain, now.” He’d already told Ben he wanted to leave his pack behind due to its weight, so that tracks. Jacket open, boots off, gloves off, points to paradoxical undressing- when hypothermia gets to the point that it is lethal, your body stops feeling cold, then feels nothing, then starts feeling really, really hot. One of the things people often do is start to shed layers at this point even though it hastens their demise.
YES! I just came through the comments to say exactly this! Hypothermia often leads to people undressing believing they are hot. It's their nervous system throwing in the like button....I mean towel
What i figured, since he mentions everything mark needed to survive the cold was still in his bag, leading me to believe his friend got into his sleeping bag and fell asleep while mark just sat there developing severe hypothermia before falling into a delirious state and wandering off
Yep, Ben didn't even make sure his friend - who he knew was in a much worse state than him - got sheltered & warm, before he decided to crash out. He didn't even pitch up near him. Ben, it must be said, was a bit of a shit mate, that night.
I’m willing to bet that mountain lions or other animals are responsible for chasing some of these people to places far and unknown spots and then they are lost.
Strange and mysterious disappearances have few things in common. A) people get dragged away but not killed by whatever dragged them away B) the distance covered by the kidnapping creature carry them or lead them obnoxiously far off places C) people tend to take off their shoes D) bad weather most definitely follows if the person is found dead later on. Creepy, very creepy.
I'm certain there's cults out in these woods next to trails that people like to visit a lot. And they always kill the weaker looking ones, or the ones that aren't in big groups.
@@peggyderr9208 true. That's why frostbites feel like you put your hand in a fryer. If you're exhausted and deluded enough you absolutely could take your clothes off in a fucked state of mind.
awe c'mon man u know mark was dragged back to bigfoots cave who didnt like the smell of him stinking up his cave, so he carried him far down wind and into a different scent trail altogether, its either that or bigfoot didn't like marks snoring or his constant bellyaching whinning when its survival of the fittest out there sasquatch made a judgement call n maybe culled one from the human population species to further mankinds future suvival, RiP Mark you tried your best
I’ve sampled half dozen of your vids … and the reason I’m liking these is that you cover these as a journalist, not a sensationalist. You don’t make fun of the subjects. You don’t do any pearl clutching or excessive conspiracy shit. You just cover the peculiar and weird without calling up magic or x-files enthusiasm. You’re just reporting some of the stories of the weird and apparently real and not throw a megaphone on them. Keep doing this - it’s pretty interesting!
Missing people in the wilderness is hardly ever a real mystery. I lived in Yosemite in 1995. The things visitors did makes you realize many people shouldn’t leave the city ever. They get lost, lose their minds and travel for miles.
Just like european tourists in tena ecuador.....my uncle or otherswould tell them not to go into the jungle without a guide.....well.....no they were not found.....nothin
You are so right. You only have to read about, and watch on TH-cam, the things people get up to at the Grand Canyon. I was going to say it beggars belief but it doesn't. We can all make mistakes, in all different kinds of situations in life. But common sense in locations that can easily kill you is in very short supply with some people. Must have been great to live in Yosemite, even just for a year. I live in the UK, only seen Yosemite in films and photos but it looks awesome.
well.....what really drives you nuts is the mosquitos and the bug sounds sleepin at night...and they are a very small type that get you good.....if you look up tena ecuador and all that region to the east north south is where I went many times with local indians....uncle worked for chevron back in the day and theres a lot of oil of the eastern slopes of the Andes all the way to end of Peru.....could tell you a lot more....
The edge of sleep is a crazy ass place. Sounds and light are distorted so much that I often have to wait a bit to wake up fully to see what is going on.
In al of these Missing 411 cases, the person always vanishes when nobody is looking at them. Whatever is hunting people in the National Parks, it's intelligent enough to stalk it's intended victim, and it strikes only when the person is out of sight of other people in the vicinity. The lesson seems to be don't go wandering off alone, and keep your eyes on each other the whole time, because there is something in the woods, and it's watching you.
Well you know, when it comes to some predators, like big cats, they never go for you when you're looking at them. You NEVER turn your back on a predator. So that makes sense with what you're saying. If someone isn't watching your back, and you watching theirs- anything can happen.
The park recommends that people don’t bring their dogs into lava fields. They have been known to leave the safety of the paths and people have died trying to save their dogs!
@@Couplescience I've never had a problem before, my dogs wear harnesses so it's very unlikely for them to slip out that way and I am strong and cautious. But I could see how depending on the ableness of the person and the size and strength of the dog why some people would choose to not take theirs.
Am I the only one who doesn’t care to find what’s hidden in the video, because I just like to enjoy and listen? Edit: wow I wasn’t expecting this many comments and likes 😂 thanks guys glad I’m not the only one
Ur not alone. I looked for one when i first started watching and saw how tiny it was so i never looked again. Lol and wanted to other times but i always get swept up in his story telling and forget to look. Lol. He's sooo good 😊
I know I'm super late to this game, but out of all of the bizarre things in the last story, one thing that really stuck out to me is that Mark was presumably in his sleeping bag when he was abducted. Yet, his sleeping bag was back in his pack when they found it.
@@Bro-trust-me that definitely makes sense for the boots off and coat open, but I'm not sure that paradoxical undressing would cause a person to neatly fold their sleeping bag and put it into their pack. As we know, it's just one of many very bizarre cases to which we will likely never get any real answers.
@@Bro-trust-me that might be a good point, but it said they made camp for the night, right? Plus, it was cold if I'm remembering correctly. I think it was just assumed that he did.
It’s definitely helpful. It doesn’t matter if you’re an experienced hiker, a couch potato, or a professional athlete. If you don’t have the correct equipment you’re still at the mercy of the environment around you. Your average gym bro who doesn’t know what cardio is definitely should avoid hiking miles in bad weather lol
I still can't believe Ben didn't pitch his tent right next to Marcus, & zip his poor, half-dead friendo into said guy's sleep-system + shelter with his own 2 hands. Ppl suffering exhaustion are known to be at higher risk of perishing by climate extremes - even if Marcus had just died right there in his sleep, Ben would wear some of the blame. I don't care how shitty you are with each other, or even if you're pretty sure your friendship is now done with once this trip is over; there's a duty of care for other human beings.
I live near Mt. Rainier and I hike all the time. It never ceases to amaze me, how many people I come across that are not properly prepared. National Parks are no joke.
I wish I'd had a history teacher like you when I was in high school or college, John. I have binged on your videos since I discovered your channel a week or two ago, and I don't get tired of listening to you. That is extremely rare for me. You really would make an awesome teacher! 👍🌹
@Pepe in space but it's important for children to be told to listen to the science and then have them all questioning what's between their legs and what to do with it. It's also important for them to learn that they live in an evil place and it's all their fault to varying degrees based on skin color. They also need to learn that there's too many people and the planet is dying and they world just be better off dead because their future is a worldwide wasteland hellscape of ruined shells of cities, raping, pillaging, murder and despair. There's no time for anything else!
I think John is the only TH-camr to treat David Paulides' work (Canam Missing 411) with the respect due him, and the victims families. John doesn't "sensationalize", merely personalizes the cases, putting you right into the FACTS, provided by Paulides, makes it all relatable, brings needed attention on a phenomenal level to a disturbing phenomena.
Mr. Ballen gives the facts of what happened, while, as he says, doing it in story telling form - he doesn't put any sort of his own bias or opinions on what might've happened, just stating what makes the case weird, which makes your imagination go. And there's nothing quite as unsettling as the human imagination. 🥴
@@IDontLikeHandIes Foul play is when a third party is involved, for instance if you kidnap a person that is foul play. If that same person just got lost on their own there isnt any foul play.
Having lived in Appalachia most of my life, I have watched people walk off a trail to relieve themselves and end up completely lost. Not saying that's what happened, but if you're not familiar with the area, stay on the trail or MrBallen could be reading your story next.
Agreed. I do not think that any animal was involved at all, but that Mark woke up in the middle of the night after resting for several hours and had to relieve himself. He went into the dark woods while it was still snowing and lost all sense of direction. So he stumbled helplessly through the forrest trying to find the way back to the trail until he succumbed to exhaustion and hypothermia leaning against that tree 3 miles away. It's very similar to what happened to Geraldine Largay except that it even was during the day and with no snow coming down. So this really tells you how easy it can be for inexperienced hikers to get lost and not find the trail again between the big underbrush.
@@lexititus2323 Agree. How far do you have to go for privacy anyway? Hundreds of feet? Go behind the first few trees or bushes, ask your companions to turn the heck around if necessary. And for the love of god, tell everyone to stop the minute they realize they may be lost and start making noise. One of the first things we were taught as little kids.
So basically, stay at home, don’t go in bodies of water, don’t try caves, when I can’t see the sunlight, go back to the surface and mind my business, don’t go in the forest, see some grass and run away, stay at home, buy a satellite phone and always wear 3 AirTags so someone can find me. Got it. Love your videos btw
Something obviously happened to Mark, sometimes when you're asleep or drifting into sleep maybe even a deep sleep, you can hear your surroundings and your brain makes a whole dream about it (or nightmare) My sister is a heavy sleeper and it has happened to her multiple times
This also happens to me. I’m in a type of sleep wake state. I can hear people around me, my eye might open and I can see them. Someone might ask me a question and I’d answer but I wake up thinking it was nothing but a dream
its admirable how articulate this guy is. he is talking about the stories with such flow like he was there for them. it’s very easy to follow the story with him
Passing a polygraph doesn't vindicate you, failing a polygraph doesn't condemn you either. Polygraphs are horribly inaccurate and barely better than guessing. It's practically modern phrenology
Hell, the *creator* of the polygraph test explicitly said they're inaccurate and *should* *not* be used for criminal investigation. Being slightly nervous or anxious is enough for someone to fail, even if they're telling the truth.
This is the second time I've watched this episode and heard more specifics than I heard the first time. I love John's story telling. He is very talented. Thank you John.
@@rusty1370 not really , we hear about the ones that die because well... someone has died . Out of 1 death , there could be 1000 people who had no problem.
It's common because this is a frequent occurrence with late-stage hypothermia which - surprise surprise - people exposed to the elements tend to eventually get. It's not really a mystery.
It’s called paradoxical undressing and is a very common action people perform before they die of hypothermia. Rescuers and rangers have to be trained to resist the urge to undress if they ever find themselves in a life or death situation in the cold. Your brain thinks you’re burning up as you begin to die of hypothermia. Many people also look for a small place to hide (burrowing) before dying of hypothermia. This is why many people are never found. The person subconsciously finds an extremely secluded or tight space to wedge themself in to die.
Im an avid outdoorsman. I have an Idea of what is causing this missing 411 dilema. I've talked to other folks who have almost been a missing person as well under these same circumstances. There is something in the woods or state parks that takes over your mind and causes people to hallucinate and do things they would not normally do or see. Same person was in a dream like state and was seeing a plave that was not normally there and he somehow snapped out of it and realized he was standing in a random place in the woods that he wasnt aupposed to be in. Last thing he remembered was sleeping in his tent with the group of folks he was on a trip with. He knew better to stay put and SAR eventually found him. However if he did not anap out of this uncontrolled hallucination he could have wound up sitting against a tree and dying from exposure. Crazy sh*t
I was a corpsman in the Navy, '88-'96; i listen to the stories, which i love, still i can't help but think about how contrary we've been trained, in any of the four branches. 'Buddy system' is SO ingrained; you just never separate. " you're as fast as the slowest man on the team", the human body is far more capable, if you just stay out of your head. So many of these tragedies and near misses, could've been avoided if the people just pushed on or stayed together... THANQ!!!! For the channel and the great content; moreso, THANK YOU for your service. Keep up the great work! Blessings brother!!!
When me and my ex went hicking on a mountain he would not listen to this. He had no experience but was over convident and kept running ahead in bad weather and full camouflage clothes. So we ended up running after him trying to keep track of him. We got very very lost. The plan was a 2 hour hike max. It turned out to be a day, and down a path you actually needed climbing gear for. Luckaly we found our way to an asfalt road and a few small houses. Turned out we went down the wrong side of the mountain and these very nice people drove us back to our car which took 45 min!!! I will never do that again and always pack a compass, map and more food and water than you think you will need. Because we didnt have sht with us. And go slow and steady.
I not military, but my family, which includes extended family, grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins etc have always drilled into us you don’t separate ever in the wilderness. If we are hiking in a group everyone has a buddy and we stay together, we all carry maps, and compass and first aid supplies along with enough water for us and any dogs we have. (Of course we carry snacks and food, and if backpacking much more) I don’t think I could *mentally* go hiking/camping/packing alone it’s so ingrained in me.
In regard to that first story: When I was young I became lost in the woods. It was right outside of a family member's house and my cousins figured out where I was really quickly, but I couldn't see them so I started to panic and thought every noise I heard was some wild animal coming to get me and I desperately wanted to start running because I was so paranoid. Maybe with her being lost in the dark in a place she wasn't familiar with she, with her mind in a panic, started imagining things she was hearing were wild animals that were dangerous, or that she thought she was being pursued or hunted? She may have started running without thinking and unfortunately ran straight through the trail without even seeing it in the dark, then stumbled upon the cliff while in a dead sprint. There's a ton of speculation, I know, but I think it's a fair thought. Sometimes when I take the trash out at night I feel really uncomfortable and will sometimes hasten my step just to get back inside faster, I bet in her situation I'd lose my cool at night as well.
Another TH-camr has covered this story with some additional details. The channel is Brian's Mysteries & Adventures on Trail. The video is about 18 minutes. Brian's style is very different, but the additional details are interesting. th-cam.com/video/ana5TPxqtUc/w-d-xo.html
Loving these stories and your manner of story telling. I'm new to your content but I've been following Dave Paulides for years. He's a fierce researcher, retired law enforcement. Like him, you're not known to provide theories, you simply tell the stories. It's part of why people are drawn to these tales. Glad to see your worlds collide!
The Appalachian trail goes right through our main street in our little WNC town. I love seeing all the hikers. A lot of our restaurants gives free meals to hikers and a lot of people will open their homes to them for showers and a night's sleep.
@hucklebuckchuck7218 i have watched documentary on Appalachian trail and this is not bullshit ....not sure what its like now but the towns have trail fairys who do all sorts of nice things for the hikers
I think the hiker story is pretty easy to figure out; the bad dream was a stress dream b/c he was worried about his friend. His friend, suffering from hypothermia from sleeping in the open (not using tent or sleeping bag), reserves low, became disoriented and wandered off. The fact the friend was found partially unclothed also indicates he was suffering from advanced hypothermia, as sufferers can perversely begin to feel overheated.
@MrBallen I've been listening to your stories all afternoon and evening and suddenly, it's 9 PM! I am so hungry, my dogs haven't been fed, the dinner's not been made, the apartment is dusty, the laundry isn't yet folded, on and on! But I've accomplished scaring the bejeezuz out of myself for the past six or so hours! Well done, kind sir! :-)
Mr Ballen: Five days later their dogs were found still in the car Us: OMG I hope they were ok Mr Ballen: Don't worry the dogs survived Us: Good, please continue to terrify us please.
No it's not chalked up to 'people are stupid'. Many people go off trail. And many people get abducted by something while still on the trail... or even in their backyard. There is something else at play.
@@cocoamcjaegermeister5534 nope people are stupid. That, and the mind plays tricks on us. We see and hear things that are not there, and because we are stupid we go looking.
I've never found the, "secrets," in any videos.. MrBallen is so expressive and captivating. Feels like being in a class where the teacher deserves solid eye contact lol
Yeah me too. Yet in my experience, people who get in trouble in the woods weren’t following any safety rules and deserve what they got. Every hiker knows how easy it is to get lost off trail. I’ve seen it so many times. Safety first.
One other quick point: Craters of the Moon and other National Parks usually have restrictions on the marked trails within the park the disallow dogs. So there’s a pretty good explanation why the two ladies didn’t bring their dogs with them- they would get fined for having their dogs on the trail. But this reinforces the notion that they only planned on a short walk, as most dog owners wouldn’t want to leave their animals in a vehicle for very long.
You make a good point. I could see a scenario where they decide to have a quick powerwalk, 5-10 minutes as they are there now anyway & if they are talking intently not fully paying attention to the surroundings but just the path in front of their feet you only need 1 or 2 forks in the path to put you wrong. Go a bit further than you meant to & turn around thinking the other one surely was noticing but find neither was then decide whoever gets back first start honking the horn but they are both getting more panicked and they have split up. If your a bit panicked & it's easy not to be completely aware of taking a right or left again & you really are fully lost & a 10 minute powerwalk could take you in a fair distance. I guess it depends how many branches there is off the main trail. But people can get disoriented in unfamiliar surroundings easily.
I once went on a trip with 2 buddies from college to some college event over the weekend. We decided to get off our train 2 stops earlier bc there was a mountain hike trail connecting the two villages where the train would have stopped anyways. One of my friends was considered very advanced when it came to outdoor adventures and hikes. He had chosen the trail based on an internet site which he used on the daily and which had never failed him before in terms of accuracy. Thesite said that the hiking trail between the two train stops would be fairly easy, 2-3 hours max. Definately no need for special gear or anything. Also It was early fall, so we thought the weather would be just perfect too. Come the day of the hike, we got off the train at 8am and didnt arrive at out destination until 9pm. The trail got us higher and higher up the mountain until we could no longer follow the marks properly bc everything was covered in snow. I would make a step and slump hip deep into the snow or fall through small tree-tops, which grew further down the trail and which were covered by the snow. The terrain was very inhospitable, not at all an easy walk. The further we went the more dangerous it became with very narrow space to walk and unprotected cliff edges. Eventually we reached a spot where the trail just stopped. There was a huge cliff wall infront of us going down probably 50-80 m at a very steep angle. The wall was covered in snow and the top layer had already frozen over. There was no other way around this section other than to somehow make it to the other side of the cliff, which was about 20m to cross. Me, a18 yo female weighing about 100-110 lb at that time, I managed to somehow lean my back to the cliff, punch my feet into the ice and get a grip that way. Lucky me, the ice didnt break and carried my weight. I was by far managing this section the safest of us all. My buddies had to be much more careful. There were some ledges along the cliff on which they were able to stand. However, those were very far apart (which my short legs would have never managed go cross in the first place) and were composed of frozen soil and grass. One badly placed step and they would have broken through the ledge and fallen 50m down a cliff onto sharp rock formations, which also almost happened to one of the two guys. Luckily, our "guide" had brought hiking sticks with him, which my unlucky friend grabbed last second to sturdy himself. When we finally made it to the other side, we saw the sunmit cross telling us that our trail had lead us 2 km farther up than was previously destribed on the internet site. Up there we thought the worst thing was over, until I took out my bag of trail mix and almost killed one of my buddies who was detrimenatlly allergic to nuts. I just breathed into his direction, that was enough. Miraculously, he didnt die up there and we were not forced to call the equivalent of our country's 911. The hike back down the mountain was much worse than up. At some point all our phone batteries died. Luckily, our "guide" had come prepared with a second phone so we didnt get lost in the forest in pitch black darkness. At the end we managed to find our way to a strange road in the middle of the forest which led us back to civilisation where we had to wait 1 hour for the bus to take us to our shelter. In that 1 hour we almost froze to death in our sweat and snow drenched clothes. After that it was 45 minute bus ride and another 20 min walk until we reached our destination. Whenever I look back to this story, I just laugh, retrospectively thinking that after all everything turned out fine and it was a fun trip. But now listening to all these stories really made me realize how bad this could have turned out. Stay safe people. Tell your friends and family where yall are going when attending a strange activity and never go alone!!
I have a theory on the girl from the park... what if, she had gotten lost because of the trails, when it started to get dark, she was kind of rushing around trying to find her way back, and encountered a bear? Dogs that are trained to track, will sometimes lose a trail for a person if it gets covered by something stronger (a bear has a VERY strong musky smell). That would also explain how she got to the water from the cliff. If the wind fooled her into thinking cars were on a road that way, and she was being chased by a bear, she might have been going full speed when she hit the cliff and had enough speed that she did make it to the water. Dog teams wouldn't be able to catch the trail because of her head long run being chased by something that covered her scent, and with it being such a remote spot, no one would have found her, without a helicopter, til climbers went that way.
How do you get lost on a trail hike that's supposed to be 15 minutes? I am guessing she was suicidal, or while she was on the trail she saw a bear and she just ran like hell.
@@teabaggins3517 At the very beginning it was mentioned that the trail she was initially on spidered out into multiple trails; I'm imagining that's how she got lost in the first place.
I swear no one is a better story teller than MrBallen. 2020 definitely took a scary yet amazing turn of events bc of him 😂 thanks MrBallen for being awesome 😎
Ben and Mark: Although the signs of hypothermia “burning sensations” were present resulting in undressing; when he was found up against the tree, were there any signs of predation to explain the screaming for help and being dragged off trail in Ben’s “dream”?
It could be that Mark was calling for help because he was lost, and Ben could hear it in his dreams and his mind made up a scenario to make it make sense
@@raelynnabraham6643 Yeah this seems more likely if there was no signs of him being forced away from his pack. It was never specified that he pulled his own sleeping bag out before Ben left. And when Ben came back he said he only got him within eye shot and was tired himself. Perhaps Mark passed out just sitting there and woke up with hypothermia starting to set in and wandered off in the delerious stage. Like you said likely calling out/yelling from the woods while lost and starting to lose his mind. Especially if he woke up and Ben wasn't directly close, he may not have noticed him in his sleeping bag up the trail a bit before wandering off thinking his friend was gone.
I'm now following David Paulidis' TH-cam channel because of these stories. My belief is these remote places harbor some of the worst in humanity and human activity. Innocent people happen to stumble upon them, unaware of the danger they're in.
First, he was extremely tired and he thought it was a dream. Second, they weren’t right next to each other. Third, he quickly checked on his friend and saw his stuff still there so he thought it was fine
@@Jaaae00 Are you ok? You're out here acting like Watson and all and apparently you where him because you know what he was thinking. Fucking people cant even try to comment something funny with out that one person "uhhhh accutally"
@@momoniji6439 lmao i was just reciting what the MrBallen said. Also your initial comment didn’t come off as funny, it came off as more over a judgmental remark
@@momoniji6439 I said that it came off as you being judgmental... I never said that your comment flat out said it was the friend’s fault. It’s not a big deal lol
I got hit by a car from behind while walking down a sidewalk(right next to a cemetery, of all places). But I've been watching Mr Ballen for the past 2 months while stuck in bed, and tho I've had a few nightmares, I can't stop. Thank you, Mr Ballen, for your wonderful storytelling ability!
@@VeracityLH thank you very much! i can actually walk now, though i still hobble a bit. physical therapy has been going well and should be finished before november. and though i might not make back to 100% pre, i think i can over compensate with the rest of my bady enough that it won't matter. but again, thank you for your support, and i don't know if i'd have discovered mr ballen otherwise.
I'm glad you're making good progress! I've been in chronic pain 20 years myself, but this spring my husband was discovered to have stage IV cancer and it caused both arms to break. So our lives have turned upside down! Anyway, he has improved a good deal and therapy has helped him recover most of his use of the right arm. Today we got news that his left arm is now healing as well and we'll start therapy on it next week. His therapist is terrific and we wouldn't know what to do without her. Hopefully both of you will get back to near normal strength between physical therapy and !r Ballen therapy! 👍💚🕯
Well I’m embarrassed 🤦♂️ the secret was behind the vignette and so was not visible. So sorry!!!!!! Not intended to mislead!!!!!! Great guesses 😂
It's ok your the best tho
Yay Mr B you found it! 😘😘😘
No worries. These things happen. ☺
Oof, that’s why I couldn’t find it. I rewatched the video like 4 times 🥲
Aweee okay, next time I’ll get it😂
This channel has killed any dreams I had of living in a tiny house in the woods. Thank you sir!!!
hmm.. I find it strange now that you say that.. that is has NOT for me lol... Somethin not right in my upstairs maybe... Oh wait... people are scarier. See? Logic XD
David Paulides did that to me few years ago :D. Throught him, I found Mr. Ballen, so that's good.
Yep. No kidding.
@@weeral1 there’s people in the woods you don’t wanna meet trust me
Same😆
I love how whenever there's dogs involved, he always clarifies if they're ok or not because he knows we're all wondering.
I noticed that too
its essential information
He’s mostly trying to avoid having 45,000 dms about missing dogs 😜
@@sethjanisse4889 I would be guilty of sending one of those DMs. Lmfao
I agree, totally!
May none of us end up having our story told by Mister Ballen.
Amber Harris was scuba diving one day, and came across a cave, and decided to investigate. (Never find yourself in a Mr. Ballen scuba diving story). :)
Amen
Or, if for some reason I did end up mysteriously going missing, in spite of my risk averse lifestyle, I hope Mr. Ballen tells my story so everyone knows I absolutely did NOT disappear of my own free will, and that at least I went down fighting. lol
@@NODnuke45 that’s a great point. Lol! But I hope that never happens to us. Haha!
@@mynameisamberharris5580 Yes, hopefully it's never necessary for either of us. lol
Don't pressure people to exceed their limits. Don't allow others to pressure you. That first guy was smart to go back when the weather was bad.
Exactly. People, all people should know and understand that. Great advice fm624colo.
Well both men decided they wanted to. I don’t think any of them were forced to do so. And while one was trying to force the other one to keep going he was correct because of they had them he wouldn’t be dead.
@@wesleyparker9368 He was physically unable to keep going. The leader was not empathetic to his fitness level. He even kept a distance from him for the night. If I was the strongest in a group I'd be looking after the others. If one of them was so exhausted they had to lay down in the snow without putting up a tent, to me that's an emergency situation which requires immediate action.
@@louiseallen5298 Thank you. Unfortunately plenty of people will pressure us who don't really care about our well-being. That's dangerous and irresponsible.
Good advice. I once was shooting off rockets with my nephew, and one of them landed on the roof of a building. We were on an elementary school field. I wanted to retrieve the rocket, so we climbed on top of a bench, next to the roof edge, and I hoisted my nephew up, he was only about 11 at the time, to the edge of the roof. I ask him, can you climb onto it? He said no, he didn't have enough leverage. So I didn't insist he keep trying and push him further onto the edge, otherwise, he could've slipped, fell on the ground, and gotten seriously hurt. I figured, my nephew's safety was more important than retrieving a model rocket.
Its terrifying how quickly someone can dissapear. Within just a few minutes things can go from normal to horrible. Really freaks me out.
Yes. So scary !
My friend Bonnie Gittoe disappeared, In thin air , I can't understand it, or believe it, I pray where she is we will know one day , I pray, God please find her.
You described our governments actions! When dealing with the next stimulus package!
Mine shaft has entered the chat.
Cut it out Elladrawn an episode of "Happy Days" freaks you out.
My dad got lost in the wilderness when I was a kid. He said he had just been following the trail and then it got a little unclear and he and his friend were immediately lost. They were lost for days. I remember talking to him when he finally got to a phone and he told me he has carved me something out of wood. When I saw him in person and asked about the wood carved thing, he had no idea what I was talking about. Idk what happens in that situation but I think the exposure and cold makes people lose their minds and hallucinate, which might explain some of the strange behaviors.
I call these episodes as "wild mania". Incredibly terrifying state of mind that people lost In the wilderness come down with. Just an incredible flashing of your conscious reality dipping into nonordinary states of reasoning so unreal that your eyes can be open, staring, and your feet walking, but all you are aware of is racing and contradicting thoughts dominating what you perceive. I've had it while lost on a hike once before. It can ONLY get worse, not better because it just circles and caves back in on itself getting deeper. You have a very loose grip on logic and should that hold break then *BAM* you're a part of someones creepy youtube story. I'm glad your father made it, stay safe!
@@PueMonTen wow, sounds like a panic attack, maybe a prolonged one. You can't grab onto any simple little chunk of reality that would ordinarily ground you. Horrible.
Usually when you’re unable to know which direction you’re going in a forest and become lost, you start to lose your mind a bit, it’s pretty terrifying. That’s why it’s so important to be able to tell which direction you are going whether at day or night, summer or winter. One of the best ways to know in a forest is to look where moss is growing the most along the base of trees. The majority of the moss on any tree, plant, or rock will be on the north side of that object. If you know which way is north, then you can know all the other directions as well. And even if you are lost, you will be able to know which direction you’re moving in, in most cases you would know which way civilization is and start walking that way.
True. Though there have been some cases on this channel where hikers have mobile phones and gps systems all with service but never use them. Strange how one could go mad before contacting someone for help. And it doesnt explain how some just disappear from a few feet behind another person
What a cool story to find in the comments! So glad your dad survived to tell the tale.
MrBallen puts the LEAST amount of ads and has the MOST immersive stories. So glad I found the channel
Least amount? There are no ads :3
@@ayisharola2086 he means the 1 at the beginning
@@224L in the beginning there were no ads- ;-;
Not until Manscape or worse Raid Shadow Legends finds him.
@@karlotty lmao
You know, I respect John. Not because he did something tough, but because he was smart enough not to do something stupid.
Agreed. I just thought “Good Man” when he realized it was too dangerous and turned back.
Yeah I immediatly thought "Smart boy!"
imagine this dudes search history
"hikers in rain"
"river next to cliff but not too close"
fbi do be sussin
@@thrival2339 indeed
@@Danilio. yep
Lol ye
I laughed too hard and I feel horrible. 😂🤦♂️
Never leave your buddy behind and never give up! A few years ago my friends and I went on a backpacking trip. We left so late the by the time we had gotten as far as we had, the sun had gone down and there was no moon, so it was just about pitch black. My buddy was unprepared and totally exhausted, his pack was in total disarray and he didn't have the right gear. I had to convince my friend to keep moving down the trail to the campsite that our friends were at, as they had hiked ahead of us. He was at the very edge of completely giving up, but I refused to leave him. We did not know how much further down the trail we had to go. We were deep in the wilderness and I knew if I had left him there he would have decided to make the much longer trek back to the car alone and exhausted. There were a lot of predators (mountain lions, bears, etc..) in this territory and I knew in my gut it was a bad idea. I told him to get off of his f-ing a$$ and f-ing MARCH. Harsh language can be quite damn effective. The campsite was only some 500m away around a large corner in the trail, we made it there. Always stick together, leave no man behind, no matter what!
I smell cap
Yup... It's better they get pissed off than pissed on... or dead.
The reality is that whenever you're actually "testing your metal", it's risky... and it CAN really go south on you. Things turn into a crisis in short order, so keep your wits about you... Having a contingency for an unprepared buddy is a massive advantage, AND resist the urge to get into "the finger pointing game"...
Shame and guilt are the MOTHER'S of all killers of humans in the wild places. It's the slightest crisis situation (something's gone wrong and shit's real)... and too easily people start asking all the worst questions, wasting time and energy they don't have. "Why'd this have to happen to us?" or "If you'd just known what the hell you were doing..." or "I thought you had the tool we needed!" and a favorite, "You had ONE job!"
Stop it. That shit might be okay when you're a dumb-ass noob camping in your own backyard or a community park with a TOPS 15 minute walk in any direction to help... It don't cut it in the real wilds. Focus on the PROBLEM... The correct questions are things like "Okay... so with no damn can opener, how DO we open the friggin' beans? Because I ain't starving to death TODAY!!!" or "Welp... The noob' fell so who's losing some cloth so we can splint that leg? AND one of us has to get some kind of crutch together... or a litter." OR even "No matches or lighter... Good god damn thing I never go anywhere without the mag-bar!"
AND yes... If you have to get crude and piss 'em off... anger can be a good source of energy. It kicks into a taste of "fight" syndrome, because you need them to get up and keep going... Use it in measured doses, because too much of it, and they get desensitized to it... It can become a joke. You don't need that either... ;o)
Well done!
Sometimes you have make someone mad enough and determined enough that the rage empowers them to succeed and gives them the energy to break through. Like me and my best friend. When one of us won’t try something that we are 100% capable of and sure we can do, we tell each other that we can’t, we’ll tell each other “you can’t do it, you can’t do it, you won’t, your not capable” and stuff like that, until a eventually that builds up, creates determination and a little bit of stubborn anger, and then we succeed, so sometimes this strategy helps but only when it’s best to be used. We obviously don’t do this for stuff that’s serious, but stuff like doing a backflip, running nonstop for 5 minutes, working the courage to climb a a little ways up a 10 foot rock face, it’s only physical challenges we do this.
@@darthmaul2005 It's okay when you are somewhat restrictive, and remember to STAY trustworthy with your friend(s) about it...
It loses potency when it's overdone... AND getting each other into trouble with the "egging on" can similarly break down the trust and cause problems...
My friends and I would give each other HORRIBLE crap about "being weak" or "candy-assing" about things when we knew it was do-able... BUT we also quite often reminded each other "Maybe the only reason it hasn't been done before is because YOU haven't done it yet." as a sort of "pick up"... When you have friends like that, they can really raise your spirits and help you believe in yourself, too. ;o)
“The dogs were alive, and they were okay”
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So maybe... they werent alone inside the car 5 days... unless dogs can survive 5 days with no water. (Maybe they can?)
Yes
@@antoniomigueljimenezmartin4018 Google says three days, one day until the dog gets to a serious condition. Although the dogs could have been given water before the ladies left. We offer our dog water on every stop on longer drives, in summer I even leave him water when he waits for me outside a shop.
DOG.
One of the most frustrating things about these cases where people got lost and end up someplace they shouldn't be is that there are people who have had this kind of thing happen to them that were still alive, but they don't remember what happened.
Stages a body manic and halucinagenic states especially usually dehydration and starvation are contributing facts in circumstances
you do not need to coment this we alrede know
Mr Ballen is so legendary he doesn't need a clickbait title ... He is the only youtube who can use the same title over and over again and we will still listen to his video
And the only you tuber who doesn't click bait Ever
It’s an algorithm thing, certain words and grouping of words that are searched often get bumped up. Mad respect to MB though for knowing how to play the game! The key words and algorithm bings us here, the quality of his vids makes us subscribe and stick around
I love how you make damn sure the 411 book gets the credit right from the start. Respect. I’m gonna go buy this book on my audible account because you held it up at the beginning of the video.
And that was not as easy as I thought it was going to be...
@@monicamonkey3163 😂😂😂😂
@@monicamonkey3163 I found it for like 200 dollars 😅
He should be the one reading the audio book
Writer is a hack and the stories are embelished and data cherry picked dont waste your money
We as fans should definitely push for the “fan of the strange, dark and mysterious delivered in story format” tee shirt. 👍🏼👍🏼
10/10
Would buy
it should be a check list
□Strange
□Dark
□mysterious
□Fan
but with all boxes checked
100% agreed
Yes yes yes! I am so down for this
I'm for this.
I watch & listen to these stories & every time I go over the story my mom would tell me. When I was an infant, 1989, & on our way home from a family visit from San Jose CA. Going down I5, my mom saw a car behind us acting erratic & flashing their high beams, as it was dark out now at this point. We had no cell phone as it was 1990. My mom looked at me & I was asleep. Feeling uncomfortable & not wanting to stop, as it's just her & me, her infant daughter. The vehicle appeared to have 2 male figures in it. The vehicle, after several miles of acting erratic, gave up & drove off an exit. Much time later, my mom was watching the news & they were covering a story about 2 men who were captured for acting erratic on I5, flashing their lights at specific motorists, getting the lone woman to stop, claim they needed assistance & would in turn take the woman & murder her. These killers were known as the I5 killers. Thank all for a protective mother's intuition, otherwise we may not be here today
thats terrifying im so glad u both are safe
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@@michaeldoran4367you’re fucking weird dude
Ignoring... Whatever the commentator above using all caps is on, not even going to risk @ mentioning that disaster - your mom made an awesome choice.
Never make a stop alone, especially if you're of a more vulnerable demographic. Other good general tips are to never stop in unpopulated areas, particularly at night, and to never stop to help someone unless you feel safe and comfortable doing so. You can always call the cops when you're out of harms way, but you can't raise yourself from the dead!
If you're sleeping on a trail in a snow storm with someone....why would you not be sleeping right up against each other? Or at least right next to them????
I thought the same thing, not even just for warmth but for safety as well, you are on an exposed trail in the wilderness, unarmed, with seemingly no one near. I don't think I would be able to sleep like that I have enough trouble sleeping in a locked house in a semi-safe neighborhood.
Sometimes guys are weird like that.
They'd think it's gay to sleep next to another and rather die?
@@teabaggins3517 Two bros in a snowstorm, risking each other's lives 'cause they're not gay
@@teabaggins3517 Well if they took their clothes off, and were spooning, that would be gay.
Imagine how guilty Ben must feel after realizing that his dream was most likely true and he couldn’t save his friend :(
the worst part too is that even if he had woken up he probably couldn't have saved him, they both would've died
The guilt he must have felt would haunt him.
Peace be with him.
I mean whatever can drag a grown man 3 miles in those weather conditions would probably just have easily ended Ben too, in the end that's part of the dangers of sleeping in the open like that, respect the forest and always try to have shelter to atleast be well hidden from predators, won't catch me sleeping in nothing but a sleeping bag in the middle of the woods nature can be merciless
@@DJDELTIX The problem is, predators kill. They don't drag you a ways and then unlace your boots and place them next to you. Or drag you a ways and then let you take your own boots off lol. It's an odd event for sure.
I do agree in general though, about the dangers of just busting out a sleeping bag in the middle of a path, climbing in and going to sleep. Especially when you're only within visual distance rather than being together. Being "camped" together, with their kit and a small fire might have been enough to save them both. It's a sad story and I'd imagine his survivors guilt is absolutely crushing.
Or he heard and was saving his assy
I think that the woman in the first story was being chased by either someone or something. If it were me, I would run off of a cliff before I'd be killed by a psychopath or an animal.
Twas the like button
That could also explain why she did not follow the trail. (Because it's obvious and no way to hide).
But why was she only wearing her socks and one boot. Why is she virtually naked, it's a real weird one.
But why was she naked 0__o
@@eebdea that is often found in missing 411 cases. a really weird detail but it’s almost always they are naked with only shoes or they took their shoes off and placed them carefully together
I know this a really old video, but I thought I'd mention that, while dogs are allowed on the paved paths at Craters of the Moon, most of the park is covered in shale that can severely injure a dog's paws, so that may be why they left them in the truck.
What about cell phones??
Shale is actually extremely dangerous for cell phones as well.
I thought that too
@@soul0_0shorts phones can't walk
@@carlson8069 magnetic fields genius
Who else just randomly found a man who likes to torture his like button and now can't stop watching?
I found him via TikTok
definitely addicted now
Loll that's fr fr
Me
Not in my case, a friend recommended this channel to me. I had no former knowledge otherwise.
Ben: "Yo, Mark. I had this weird dream where you were being dragged away and screaming for help. Weird, huh? ...Mark?"
Just like in Act 3 of The Ghost and the Darkness
@@CLove511 Such a great movie!!
I know the place, I've slept at Tri Corners. I came from the Tennessee side. If you went from the nearest parking area straight there it would be 12 miles. Never been crazy enough to do that. Never been crazy to hike up there in that kind of weather. The last time I hiked in the Smokies (and stayed at Tri) we cut our 6 day trip off on day 4 with bad weather visibly approaching. Hiked down to the Gap and thumbed a ride to Gatlinburg.
😂😂😂
@@Couplescience That's what I was thinking. His friend might have still been asleep at the time as well, so his brain hears Mark screaming for help and creates the visual scene of him being dragged away in a dream. If the weather was still bad, a large predator could have accidently stumbled onto Mark, both Mark and the animal get scared and run away from each other.
That thing about the wind sounding like cars on a road is very real. I've backpacked in Yosemite several times and there are several trails and routes I've done where it sounded exactly like I was walking next to a busy road when in reality I was super far from anything. It can be very disconcerting. Always take a map and compass!
At girl scout camp we got lost in a national forest. We thought we heard the river and it flowed by the camp so we kept walking and walking toward the sound. It turned out to be the highway on the complete other side of the forest. We had to climb a fence to get to the highway and a farmer put us in the bed of his truck and took us to the front gate of the park. That was the in 60's. Sound can be tricky.
There are frogs that sound like a woman screaming on Lake Lanier in Georgia (the largest man-made lake in the world). Very unnerving.
It's amazing how a simple map and compass can help you out. It can mean the difference between a good ol' hike and disaster!
@@jennycallaghan1914 Same with herons! Awful!!
@@grammichal6759 Herons? I'm surrounded by herons in Florida but now that I have a house, they're just just interested in standing absolutely still near bushes to gobble up lizards.
I've worked and lived in and around the wilderness all my life and Jeanie's story %100 sounds like an animal attack. On the trail alone for more than 30 minutes with no other people around that didn't have alibis. I've looked into this specific situation and what really clinched it for me was the boot print going against the marked trail. As I say I've been in the woods the majority of my life and the only time I've ever left a trail against my will was when an animal or stranger was chasing/following me...
Probably she was chased by bear or mountain lion and ran across trails to try and avoid it. When it continued to chase her she started to panic and run and didn't see cliff or thought it was a better option than the creature and went off cliff at high speed. That's my theory
But what about her clothes?
@@corneliusdinkmeyer2190 Paradoxical undressing?
@@markcharles6744 I've read what the tracker theorized and he makes a lot of sense. She ignored the trail because she believed she was near a road and the trail would take her away from the road.
@@NotMyklwhat’s that
I always wonder how many of these people were murdered but we’ll never know. There’s so many killers undetected across the world.... that shit haunts me.
Don't forget about the possibility of paranormal intelligent creatures that reside within the dense forest
@@Josue-xd5ru we as a species legit carved out entire countries worth of land to build houses, shops, etc. just stay the hell out of the nature that is left, that's supernatural and killer natural territory. The animals and any possiple supernatural elements have their space we have ours.
@Cait B. Same here. There's enough history to know that there are depraved humans who like to hunt human prey in wooded national, state, even local parks.
@WVWoman u sound like a city girl haha
@@CoffeeZombi-ATL1 Our world is older than the human mind can comprehend who knows what has walked this planet......the nature that is left is Ancient land and should be respected as such.
Moral of the story: Never go hiking, heck, never go outside.
Basically just become a gamer
True
Facts
What I got was don't be a pussy like Mark, either commit 100% or don't go
but if you never go outside, you cant get away from the stalker that was in your closet!!! 😆
"...inside were their two dogs --"
*GASP*
"they were okay"
*whew*
*PANIK*
kalm
Ur weird
Bruh my absolute favorite genre of movie is horror, the gorier the better, but I will walk out of a theatre before I watch even a FAKE doggy death they don't deserve it
Same!!!!
Actually 😂 like if I watch a movie where the ppl die it's sad but not rlly but if the dogs die thats a whole nother story
I got lost in the woods of Mount Lassen as when I was like 7 and I remember at one point crossing over a trail. I had been so panicked it didn't even register right away, I was just running randomly. I stopped at one point and sat down and I remember knowing I saw the path but at that point I didnt know what direction it was in. So I started walking again calmer and eventually came to another path, I heard voices and was found by a couple of guys who walked me back to camp. I cant imagine an adult doing that unless they were outright histerical.
Maybe you were smarter than these adults
There are two kinds of people in 2020: people who are bored in quarantine and people who watch MrBallen
The people that watch MrBallen are the ones that know what they are doing
@@alinadelacruz3120 that is absolutely right!
Literally the best thing 2020 has to offer.
For a second there I thought you were gona say something like "Those who stay in quarantine and those who get lost outside"
Lava flow hiking. Now that's something I know a thing or two about. Walking off that trail isn't a big deal. Your biggest concern is tripping and maybe break a leg or arm. Someone attacked those women. People have been hiking/walking over lava flows in Hawaii for centuries without trails. The same at Craters of The Moon. In Hawaii when someone goes missing and is never found it's presumed they got too close to an unstable part of the sea cliff by an active lava flow ocean entry and fell in.
Yea something about that story didn’t sit well with me.
The Oahu lava tube that opens up overlooking the ocean. Was in there a few times. Amazing
I'm thinking maybe they decided to experiment with something that caused hallucinations.... Not too unusual for people to go out to remote places for that kind of thing....
You should look up the story of lava tubes in Malta where children & their teachers disappeared in & even though they could be heard crying nobody could get them out. But, more than that one tourist went into one of these tubes & saw something that terrified her. Terrified me too...
Is it possible they had the dogs with them and the dogs returned to the vehicle after? I'm not even half convinced that would be true as I wrote that. We have many legends of loyal dogs waiting with their deceased owners for help and of loyal dogs waiting for their owners where they are told to for vast amounts of time. (One of our most famous is The Dog on the Tucker Box).
I wonder if the women could be overcome or disoriented by some sort of gas? Sulphur maybe? We have volcanic plugs in some National Parks here 🇦🇺 but I've never heard of my country having lava tubes or lava fields. I'm curious about the conditions in those areas that have them.
The circumstances with the find of the vehicle, could be they picked up a hitch-hiker (or two) who forced them to leave purses, phones and dogs in the vehicle and walked them away. Maybe chased them to the more inaccessible areas? Could they have died from exposure in that area at that time? Urgh - this story has my mind racing for possibilities more than any other!
I like how you tell those stories without making a "sPoOkY vOiCe" or "sCaRy mUsic" in the background.
No music but if you listen he does have occasional dark and ominous tones
Turn up your volume
I love that there's no music.
@@pappazmurf that sound is actually scientifical and made to creep you out, google "fear frequency". it's being used in a lot of horror movies to create that "hair rising" feeling when something is about to happen
He does play music, albeit it's tuned down quite a lot, I recognize it because often it's the same music bedtime stories use for their videos aswell.
Jeanie may have been running from something in the dark when she fell off the cliff into the water below. In that scenario she may have had enough momentum to clear the rocks and trees landing directly in the water.
fear of abduction???? so she was going off of adrenaline then jump off the cliff into the water???
@@markbalentine1962 I don't get how we go straight to abductor when there could be a bear or any number of animals
Ok so why was she practically naked except for socks and a boot...?
I could imagine that. Especially since it was in the dark, so she might not have seen the cliff in front of her until too late...
@@blurryperson2685 That's my guess, a bear. But then where were rest of her clothes? If they were shredded they would have found them. She wasn't eaten. Maybe a mama bear protecting cubs?
I've never heard you stammer in telling a story. No "you know" or "er ah" . Very talented story teller!
Almost like his videos have jumpcuts every several seconds.
@@Xpwnxage well yes, but actually no- if you look closely, there are many segments that have no jumpcuts
Did u ever notice the amount of cuts and edits after every sentence?
Still great story teller bc you still have to word it and embellish and get ppl hooked
Yes! I'm obsessed ThatChapter, but he does trip on his words -- A LOT. This guy is pretty fluid!
Never ceases to amaze me how often people separate in these stories. Sad
Right? Especially in the husband and wife case. "Go where you want for 15 minutes." Just take 30 and go to both, jeebus!
i guess horror movies aren't that unrealistic after all, lol..
Yeah… so horror movies where people separate and you think they are being stupid, they aren’t so far off.
Why shouldn't they have separated? It sounded like a perfectly safe space to be on your own for 15 minutes during the day.
With Ben and Chris, why didn't they huddle together given the extreme cold and snow? Why on earth is there any reason to sleep far away from each other when there's a risk of hypothermia setting in. Two women would cuddle together with each other, or with dogs if they were available; anything for warmth. This one decision to sleep apart cost a life.
I get so caught up in Mr Ballen’s stories that I don’t even look for the secret. I’m just fixated on Mr Ballen cause he tells such bad ass stories 🤘🏻
I know!! Whenever I catch an upload when it’s released I try look for the secret and listen but find myself so intent on the content and his storytelling, I totally forget about it. 😆
@@Catherine-wt3st Usually there’s a small picture or the like button (thumbs up icon) hidden in the background. The first person to comment what it is and the time stamp gets their comment pinned. Go back in other videos and click on the time stamp of the pinned comment and look around.
@@Catherine-wt3st every video there is some sort of secret picture hidden somewhere within the video and the first person to find it and comment correctly gets their comment pinned at the top by Mr Ballen
I don't know what the secret is
Same here!
In the 3rd story, I think Mark just got lost! What Ben heard was Mark calling for help a couple hundred feet off the trail. Mark must've gotten up to pee, find a warmer place to lie down or spot for his tent. But he immediately got lost, screamed for help and possibly banged rocks or sticks to make more noise, then stumbled around looking for the trail, exhausted, confused, frustrated. I believe he was delirious and hypothermic or something, and took his own boots off. The being "dragged off" is just a complete figment of Bens dream he was waking up from. Pretty normal for that to happen tbh 😅
I gotta say, I think Ben should have forced Mark to get in his sleeping bag and get a flashlight out for multiple reasons. Also its not a great idea to sleep on the trail. As someone who has trapped game multiple times, the dangerous kinds of large mammals will occasionally walk trails to get around more quickly and quietly at night, not to mention early hikers coming by
Never split up and go seperate ways during a hike anywhere. No matter how safe you feel, or experienced you are.
whts the point of split up anyways? what is wrong with people omg
@@qasehcahya stupidity. Buddy system exists for a reason
Exactly, worst case scenario you can eat the other person.👍That's what you meant by that right?🤔🤨
@@evryhndlestakn one of the reasons
@@mommawolf9653 🤦, I appreciate you humouring me as I was in no way omitting myself from this worst case scenario situation. Along the lines of endlessly tramping up & down without bearings & round & round in circles hopelessly lost with absolutely no idea.....where the two of you had parked the car in one of those gigantic shopping malls. So easy to simply sit down & give up hope of ever being found. 😞
In regards to Jeanie’s missing case, it’s interesting to note that serial killer Cary Stayner started working as a handyman in Yosemite in 1997. Wonder if he was in the area earlier & had anything to do with Jeanie’s case.
Oh my God I just posted the same exact thing. Then I wondered if any Californians would recall that so I decided to scroll and just found your comment. Before he was employed at the park, Stayner used to go up there to swim nude and get high. It's a very good chance she was running away from that creep.
I was just thinking the same thing that she was chased. It's why she would've crossed the path instead of follow it to try and lose who was chasing her. Perhaps she was naked because when the killer caught her they did horrible things and dumped her body in a remote lake to get rid of the evidence. Since she was so badly decomposed they couldn't say what killed her. It's truly tragic what happened to her.
May her soul find peace.
Makes sense!
Jeanie disappeared in '95, and there was no evidence as far as I know, that he was there 2 yrs earlier.
@@thechloechronicles9688 He also said he fantasized about murdering women since he was seven years old
The two women being found dead in the lava field has to be the most intriguing unsolved mystery I've seen on this channel. I wonder if maybe a really poorly timed gas release from the area could have played a role?
But still how did they get all the way up there... They old asf they were literally on hot lava rocks
@@bigfaxaj5922 They had to walk there, and something happened where they died from exposure.
@@kevinmalone3210 If I was with them I wouldn’t leave my dead or ill friends and continue my trip to die elsewhere miles from them! As they left their purses and cellphones back in the car assuming leaving the dogs was for safety for the ground there was not fit for them to walk on, I’m thinking something stopped them while they were driving, forced them to get out then probably picked them up as they both passed out of being frightened or experienced cardiac arrest from fright then place one here abd the other one miles away for humans (us) to solve. They had fun doing it. I can swear they are spirits. They hate humankind and manipulate with them all the time.
This is an interesting theory. When MrB said about how remote it is and how easy it could be to attack someone and get away, all I could think was "but then surely it'd be easy to dispose of their bodies, too, so why leave them out for people to find with potential evidence etc?"
@@hana.the.writer5074 if I find myself in a survival situation and my friend has died, I'm not hanging around to die there, too. No sense in staying with a corpse, you need to try and save yourself.
Mark’s story sounds a lot like severe hypothermia to me. It can make you delirious and act in ways that make little sense- he could have just thought “I gotta get off the mountain, now.” He’d already told Ben he wanted to leave his pack behind due to its weight, so that tracks. Jacket open, boots off, gloves off, points to paradoxical undressing- when hypothermia gets to the point that it is lethal, your body stops feeling cold, then feels nothing, then starts feeling really, really hot. One of the things people often do is start to shed layers at this point even though it hastens their demise.
Agreed and I’m not sure I heard the cause of death mentioned. If he had been mauled or dragged, it would have been obvious by marks left on his body.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing. Perfect environment and scenario for that to be at least part of the cause of death.
YES! I just came through the comments to say exactly this! Hypothermia often leads to people undressing believing they are hot. It's their nervous system throwing in the like button....I mean towel
What i figured, since he mentions everything mark needed to survive the cold was still in his bag, leading me to believe his friend got into his sleeping bag and fell asleep while mark just sat there developing severe hypothermia before falling into a delirious state and wandering off
Yep, Ben didn't even make sure his friend - who he knew was in a much worse state than him - got sheltered & warm, before he decided to crash out.
He didn't even pitch up near him.
Ben, it must be said, was a bit of a shit mate, that night.
I have never in my 75yrs. Have I stood in line for an excellent, intelligent, smooth story teller. Yet here I am.
😂 thank you Donna!!
wow what an age variation on his channel! I’m 13,
@@masorr6020 I agree tbh I didnt think a 75 year old woman would watch him either but even still that's pretty cool
I'm 3
Right with you.
No 1. Rule of wilderness never go separate ways alone, No 2. Never play hide and seek. 3. TRUST NO MAN
I’m willing to bet that mountain lions or other animals are responsible for chasing some of these people to places far and unknown spots and then they are lost.
No. 4: Bring GPS equipment.
Does that mean I can trust women then?
Oh.. I guess I should just kill my dad 🤔 lol
Ikr. If you separate in wilderness someone's gonna end up getting killed.
I love how everytime MrBallen says how many times they upload, he moves his head sideways and looks down. Such an iconic move after all these videos
I love that too, I thought I was just weird XD
Strange and mysterious disappearances have few things in common. A) people get dragged away but not killed by whatever dragged them away
B) the distance covered by the kidnapping creature carry them or lead them obnoxiously far off places
C) people tend to take off their shoes
D) bad weather most definitely follows if the person is found dead later on.
Creepy, very creepy.
100% spot on . So dang creepy, I wonder what it is . Manipulation of mind and environment?
It’s an alien that can fly and has a foot fetish.
I'm certain there's cults out in these woods next to trails that people like to visit a lot. And they always kill the weaker looking ones, or the ones that aren't in big groups.
@@peggyderr9208 true. That's why frostbites feel like you put your hand in a fryer.
If you're exhausted and deluded enough you absolutely could take your clothes off in a fucked state of mind.
awe c'mon man u know mark was dragged back to bigfoots cave who didnt like the smell of him stinking up his cave, so he carried him far down wind and into a different scent trail altogether, its either that or bigfoot didn't like marks snoring or his constant bellyaching whinning when its survival of the fittest out there sasquatch made a judgement call n maybe culled one from the human population species to further mankinds future suvival, RiP Mark you tried your best
I’ve sampled half dozen of your vids … and the reason I’m liking these is that you cover these as a journalist, not a sensationalist. You don’t make fun of the subjects. You don’t do any pearl clutching or excessive conspiracy shit. You just cover the peculiar and weird without calling up magic or x-files enthusiasm. You’re just reporting some of the stories of the weird and apparently real and not throw a megaphone on them.
Keep doing this - it’s pretty interesting!
Yes!
Agreed
Agreed!
I dont even care for scary stories, but I love the way Mr. Baller explain things without sensationalism. Just the strange facts.
I agree!
Missing people in the wilderness is hardly ever a real mystery. I lived in Yosemite in 1995. The things visitors did makes you realize many people shouldn’t leave the city ever. They get lost, lose their minds and travel for miles.
Just like european tourists in tena ecuador.....my uncle or otherswould tell them not to go into the jungle without a guide.....well.....no they were not found.....nothin
@@iversonjcameron ALWAYS heed the advice of the local people.
You are so right. You only have to read about, and watch on TH-cam, the things people get up to at the Grand Canyon. I was going to say it beggars belief but it doesn't. We can all make mistakes, in all different kinds of situations in life. But common sense in locations that can easily kill you is in very short supply with some people. Must have been great to live in Yosemite, even just for a year. I live in the UK, only seen Yosemite in films and photos but it looks awesome.
@@iversonjcameron What's the biggest danger in the jungle, Jaguars?
well.....what really drives you nuts is the mosquitos and the bug sounds sleepin at night...and they are a very small type that get you good.....if you look up tena ecuador and all that region to the east north south is where I went many times with local indians....uncle worked for chevron back in the day and theres a lot of oil of the eastern slopes of the Andes all the way to end of Peru.....could tell you a lot more....
The edge of sleep is a crazy ass place. Sounds and light are distorted so much that I often have to wait a bit to wake up fully to see what is going on.
In al of these Missing 411 cases, the person always vanishes when nobody is looking at them. Whatever is hunting people in the National Parks, it's intelligent enough to stalk it's intended victim, and it strikes only when the person is out of sight of other people in the vicinity. The lesson seems to be don't go wandering off alone, and keep your eyes on each other the whole time, because there is something in the woods, and it's watching you.
Well you know, when it comes to some predators, like big cats, they never go for you when you're looking at them. You NEVER turn your back on a predator. So that makes sense with what you're saying. If someone isn't watching your back, and you watching theirs- anything can happen.
@@MS-fb4vs Whatever it is, it's not a big cat.
It doesn't leave a scent for bloodhounds to track either.
I'm not saying its Aliens but its aliens.
@@DayvanCowboy195 there are tunnel systems under all these national parks too 🤔
@@truthseeker2321 You don't know what it is. It could be any type of predator.
The park recommends that people don’t bring their dogs into lava fields. They have been known to leave the safety of the paths and people have died trying to save their dogs!
Leashes. They exist. But otherwise, the park recommendation makes sense. People love to let their dogs roam free.
Freshly cooled lava's surface is basically glass shards; dog's paws would end up bloodied quickly.
Years of Minecraft training not wasted!
@@Couplescience I've never had a problem before, my dogs wear harnesses so it's very unlikely for them to slip out that way and I am strong and cautious. But I could see how depending on the ableness of the person and the size and strength of the dog why some people would choose to not take theirs.
@Pierre Dufresne, it's not freshly cooled, it's been solid rock for a long, long time.
Still dangerous, but for different reasons.
Am I the only one who doesn’t care to find what’s hidden in the video, because I just like to enjoy and listen?
Edit: wow I wasn’t expecting this many comments and likes 😂 thanks guys glad I’m not the only one
No Emily, you have plenty of company.
Nope, I don't care either. I just love listening to him tell the story
I've never looked for a thing.
There's only one way I nap, fall asleep, unwind after work, unwind on the drive home, shower etc and it's listening to mrballen
Ur not alone. I looked for one when i first started watching and saw how tiny it was so i never looked again. Lol and wanted to other times but i always get swept up in his story telling and forget to look. Lol. He's sooo good 😊
I know I'm super late to this game, but out of all of the bizarre things in the last story, one thing that really stuck out to me is that Mark was presumably in his sleeping bag when he was abducted. Yet, his sleeping bag was back in his pack when they found it.
My thought is hypothermia. Especially with the boots off and coat open.
@@Bro-trust-me that definitely makes sense for the boots off and coat open, but I'm not sure that paradoxical undressing would cause a person to neatly fold their sleeping bag and put it into their pack.
As we know, it's just one of many very bizarre cases to which we will likely never get any real answers.
@@amandajmays Maybe I missed it, but did Mark ever actually get in his sleeping bag?
@@amandajmaysUnless we meet the creature that took him
@@Bro-trust-me that might be a good point, but it said they made camp for the night, right? Plus, it was cold if I'm remembering correctly. I think it was just assumed that he did.
Being prepared for a physical challenge, and hiking miles in terrible weather, are two completely different concepts.
Exactly being fit wont protect you from sub-zero tempetures
It’s definitely helpful. It doesn’t matter if you’re an experienced hiker, a couch potato, or a professional athlete. If you don’t have the correct equipment you’re still at the mercy of the environment around you. Your average gym bro who doesn’t know what cardio is definitely should avoid hiking miles in bad weather lol
I still can't believe Ben didn't pitch his tent right next to Marcus, & zip his poor, half-dead friendo into said guy's sleep-system + shelter with his own 2 hands.
Ppl suffering exhaustion are known to be at higher risk of perishing by climate extremes - even if Marcus had just died right there in his sleep, Ben would wear some of the blame.
I don't care how shitty you are with each other, or even if you're pretty sure your friendship is now done with once this trip is over; there's a duty of care for other human beings.
I live near Mt. Rainier and I hike all the time. It never ceases to amaze me, how many people I come across that are not properly prepared. National Parks are no joke.
Ego is one hell of a thing
My house is like a movie premier when MrBallen posts. My 13 year old, 8 year old and myself all pile up and watch each episode!
Dude, I can imagine that. It would be SO cool
Awww lucky. I wish I had more people to hangout with!
When mine were 7 they were crying at the scooby doo Halloween special 😂! You have some brave little ones!
@Alexa Tri awww that stinks!
I wish I'd had a history teacher like you when I was in high school or college, John. I have binged on your videos since I discovered your channel a week or two ago, and I don't get tired of listening to you. That is extremely rare for me. You really would make an awesome teacher! 👍🌹
@Pepe in space but it's important for children to be told to listen to the science and then have them all questioning what's between their legs and what to do with it. It's also important for them to learn that they live in an evil place and it's all their fault to varying degrees based on skin color. They also need to learn that there's too many people and the planet is dying and they world just be better off dead because their future is a worldwide wasteland hellscape of ruined shells of cities, raping, pillaging, murder and despair.
There's no time for anything else!
Agreed
The last was probably lethal hypothermia and often "Paradoxical Undressing" can occur
That's what I think too. It was the fatal factor in the death of an acquaintance.
I think John is the only TH-camr to treat David Paulides' work (Canam Missing 411) with the respect due him, and the victims families. John doesn't "sensationalize", merely personalizes the cases, putting you right into the FACTS, provided by Paulides, makes it all relatable, brings needed attention on a phenomenal level to a disturbing phenomena.
Bedtime Stories?
Actually, the missing enigma does it more justice. Mr Ballen is more entertaining though.
Mr. Ballen gives the facts of what happened, while, as he says, doing it in story telling form - he doesn't put any sort of his own bias or opinions on what might've happened, just stating what makes the case weird, which makes your imagination go. And there's nothing quite as unsettling as the human imagination. 🥴
@@hillbillyhullabaloo luv your moniker.
@@hillbillyhullabaloo I've never heard them before, so worth doing a search to watch some stories
The lava flow story HAD to be foul play. Leaving both their purses and their dogs in the car? They intended to be gone for five minutes, tops.
@@Couplescience yes definitely
Agreed. No woman leaves their dogs, let alone their purse in the car if they won't be back in 10-15 mins tops.
What's a foul play can someone explain? I only know "foul play" in sports
@@IDontLikeHandIes Foul play is when a third party is involved, for instance if you kidnap a person that is foul play. If that same person just got lost on their own there isnt any foul play.
@@olivercannings76 thanks 😊👌
Having lived in Appalachia most of my life, I have watched people walk off a trail to relieve themselves and end up completely lost. Not saying that's what happened, but if you're not familiar with the area, stay on the trail or MrBallen could be reading your story next.
This.
Exhaustion and losing bearing is very real
Never leave the trail. If you must step back to p-- or something, literally hold onto a tree marked with a blaze. The App's are nothing to fool with.
I would much rather someone see me peeing on a trail than walk off the trail for privacy and get lost lol
Agreed. I do not think that any animal was involved at all, but that Mark woke up in the middle of the night after resting for several hours and had to relieve himself. He went into the dark woods while it was still snowing and lost all sense of direction. So he stumbled helplessly through the forrest trying to find the way back to the trail until he succumbed to exhaustion and hypothermia leaning against that tree 3 miles away.
It's very similar to what happened to Geraldine Largay except that it even was during the day and with no snow coming down. So this really tells you how easy it can be for inexperienced hikers to get lost and not find the trail again between the big underbrush.
@@lexititus2323 Agree. How far do you have to go for privacy anyway? Hundreds of feet? Go behind the first few trees or bushes, ask your companions to turn the heck around if necessary. And for the love of god, tell everyone to stop the minute they realize they may be lost and start making noise.
One of the first things we were taught as little kids.
So basically, stay at home, don’t go in bodies of water, don’t try caves, when I can’t see the sunlight, go back to the surface and mind my business, don’t go in the forest, see some grass and run away, stay at home, buy a satellite phone and always wear 3 AirTags so someone can find me. Got it. Love your videos btw
Something obviously happened to Mark, sometimes when you're asleep or drifting into sleep maybe even a deep sleep, you can hear your surroundings and your brain makes a whole dream about it (or nightmare)
My sister is a heavy sleeper and it has happened to her multiple times
I've fallen asleep while listening to music and then had dreams about singing karaoke...
...and damn, I sound good!
This also happens to me. I’m in a type of sleep wake state. I can hear people around me, my eye might open and I can see them. Someone might ask me a question and I’d answer but I wake up thinking it was nothing but a dream
This is something I never thought about before, it happens to me with TV shows I doze off to 😅
His mind was blurred by Arabic magic
@@tishannar.7399 this happens to me all the time now and u described it perfectly!
its admirable how articulate this guy is. he is talking about the stories with such flow like he was there for them. it’s very easy to follow the story with him
Passing a polygraph doesn't vindicate you, failing a polygraph doesn't condemn you either. Polygraphs are horribly inaccurate and barely better than guessing. It's practically modern phrenology
Hell, the *creator* of the polygraph test explicitly said they're inaccurate and *should* *not* be used for criminal investigation. Being slightly nervous or anxious is enough for someone to fail, even if they're telling the truth.
You know what I hate about polygraphs is if you fail a polygraph they use it to bury you but if you pass it they act like it never happened.
They 100% know this and just use it as a tool to corner people into confessions.
I told a steve Wilkos fan this and she verbally attacked me, because she could not comprehend that her hero could be wrong.
Sometimes it's better to do something than nothing
This is the second time I've watched this episode and heard more specifics than I heard the first time. I love John's story telling. He is very talented. Thank you John.
Be the guy that always change its mind in the last second and back out, it'll really save your life.
It might save your life but if u are that guy u never lived
@@tonymontana2514 weak counter point sorry.
@@tonymontana2514 "u never lived" dude..did u not listen...people who go out die alot in those stories😅😅
@@rusty1370 not really , we hear about the ones that die because well... someone has died . Out of 1 death , there could be 1000 people who had no problem.
@@MoBahar687 Except we hear a few stories from the endless 411 stories that have been collected. There's far more than the 3 per video we watch
The thing I think is crazy is so many of these stories involve people losing their clothing or at least their shoes
It's common because this is a frequent occurrence with late-stage hypothermia which - surprise surprise - people exposed to the elements tend to eventually get. It's not really a mystery.
It’s called paradoxical undressing and is a very common action people perform before they die of hypothermia. Rescuers and rangers have to be trained to resist the urge to undress if they ever find themselves in a life or death situation in the cold. Your brain thinks you’re burning up as you begin to die of hypothermia. Many people also look for a small place to hide (burrowing) before dying of hypothermia. This is why many people are never found. The person subconsciously finds an extremely secluded or tight space to wedge themself in to die.
@@void5239 Thank you the explanation. Much more helpful than Novus's reply.
@@GrimJackal what if it isn't that??
moral of the story kids?
being introverted and being the indoors kind of person is a pretty good survival strategy
No I live in the woods and it is actually really fun
No one ever wrote a good song with the lyrics 'live still, die ancient and leave a pale corpse behind".
Being an agoraphobic loner is not being an introvert, it's being an agoraphobic loner.
Im an avid outdoorsman. I have an Idea of what is causing this missing 411 dilema. I've talked to other folks who have almost been a missing person as well under these same circumstances. There is something in the woods or state parks that takes over your mind and causes people to hallucinate and do things they would not normally do or see. Same person was in a dream like state and was seeing a plave that was not normally there and he somehow snapped out of it and realized he was standing in a random place in the woods that he wasnt aupposed to be in. Last thing he remembered was sleeping in his tent with the group of folks he was on a trip with. He knew better to stay put and SAR eventually found him. However if he did not anap out of this uncontrolled hallucination he could have wound up sitting against a tree and dying from exposure. Crazy sh*t
Fairy folk
It’s demons bro
I was a corpsman in the Navy, '88-'96; i listen to the stories, which i love, still i can't help but think about how contrary we've been trained, in any of the four branches. 'Buddy system' is SO ingrained; you just never separate.
" you're as fast as the slowest man on the team", the human body is far more capable, if you just stay out of your head. So many of these tragedies and near misses, could've been avoided if the people just pushed on or stayed together... THANQ!!!! For the channel and the great content; moreso, THANK YOU for your service. Keep up the great work! Blessings brother!!!
When me and my ex went hicking on a mountain he would not listen to this. He had no experience but was over convident and kept running ahead in bad weather and full camouflage clothes. So we ended up running after him trying to keep track of him. We got very very lost. The plan was a 2 hour hike max. It turned out to be a day, and down a path you actually needed climbing gear for. Luckaly we found our way to an asfalt road and a few small houses. Turned out we went down the wrong side of the mountain and these very nice people drove us back to our car which took 45 min!!! I will never do that again and always pack a compass, map and more food and water than you think you will need. Because we didnt have sht with us. And go slow and steady.
I hope that adventuring/hiking culture absorbs those lessons to stick together and push through until you're safe. Really well said.
Thank you for your service!!🇺🇲
I not military, but my family, which includes extended family, grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins etc have always drilled into us you don’t separate ever in the wilderness. If we are hiking in a group everyone has a buddy and we stay together, we all carry maps, and compass and first aid supplies along with enough water for us and any dogs we have. (Of course we carry snacks and food, and if backpacking much more) I don’t think I could *mentally* go hiking/camping/packing alone it’s so ingrained in me.
I love that as soon as he mentioned their 2 dogs he said they were fine. He already knew he would have about 1000 comments asking about them lol.
In regard to that first story: When I was young I became lost in the woods. It was right outside of a family member's house and my cousins figured out where I was really quickly, but I couldn't see them so I started to panic and thought every noise I heard was some wild animal coming to get me and I desperately wanted to start running because I was so paranoid. Maybe with her being lost in the dark in a place she wasn't familiar with she, with her mind in a panic, started imagining things she was hearing were wild animals that were dangerous, or that she thought she was being pursued or hunted? She may have started running without thinking and unfortunately ran straight through the trail without even seeing it in the dark, then stumbled upon the cliff while in a dead sprint. There's a ton of speculation, I know, but I think it's a fair thought. Sometimes when I take the trash out at night I feel really uncomfortable and will sometimes hasten my step just to get back inside faster, I bet in her situation I'd lose my cool at night as well.
Didn't her disappearance take place during the day though?
@@86fernandes86 Yes, but she was still lost during the night. That could have happened
That's a very plausible idea! I always hate when I don't know what happened but your theory is very good and I'd go with that
Another TH-camr has covered this story with some additional details. The channel is Brian's Mysteries & Adventures on Trail. The video is about 18 minutes.
Brian's style is very different, but the additional details are interesting.
th-cam.com/video/ana5TPxqtUc/w-d-xo.html
Loving these stories and your manner of story telling. I'm new to your content but I've been following Dave Paulides for years. He's a fierce researcher, retired law enforcement. Like him, you're not known to provide theories, you simply tell the stories. It's part of why people are drawn to these tales. Glad to see your worlds collide!
MrBallen has single handedly kept me from becoming one of his missing 411 stories this year....Thank you sir for that!
I love this I said same thing
Story time!
If MrBallen comes up missing, I bet it's because of the like button, he has us put it through alot
yup lol
Maybe maybe not who knows, mwahahahahaha. 😂😂
It finally happened I woke up and the like button was standing over me with rope and duck tape.
@Nico Stinziano Lmfao: 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣💀💀⚰⚰⚰💯💯💯 !!! @MrBallen you should PIN this 😂🤣😂
Lol
I'm like a kid on Christmas...Mr Ballen's the best gift U tube has ever given me. 😁
don't worry, I'm a simp for the Mister too, and I'm a straight man.
@@sirtaylor2569 lol
Whats a U Tube
Thank you!!
Same
The Appalachian trail goes right through our main street in our little WNC town. I love seeing all the hikers. A lot of our restaurants gives free meals to hikers and a lot of people will open their homes to them for showers and a night's sleep.
I think you’re bullshittin 😂
@hucklebuckchuck7218 i have watched documentary on Appalachian trail and this is not bullshit ....not sure what its like now but the towns have trail fairys who do all sorts of nice things for the hikers
I will never understand creating ways to "challenge" yourself. Just living is all the challenge I need.
Frfr
Living life is now boring...with covid ...going outside is now a great way for adventure
@@rusty1370 everytime i go for groceries, i feel like a real adventurer. 🙃
Agreed lol
It's a wealth thing usually.
I think the hiker story is pretty easy to figure out; the bad dream was a stress dream b/c he was worried about his friend. His friend, suffering from hypothermia from sleeping in the open (not using tent or sleeping bag), reserves low, became disoriented and wandered off. The fact the friend was found partially unclothed also indicates he was suffering from advanced hypothermia, as sufferers can perversely begin to feel overheated.
I’ve literally purchased a personal gps distress beacon after watching this series😅
I haven't been in the woods since watching this series 😂
David Paulides say never to go into the woods without one. Also a firearm. Which beacon did you purchase? I'm looking at them.
@@Seanomatic57 ACR RESQLINK.
Honestly good idea
Don't let anyone tell you to do otherwise, good idea! Hope you won't ever need it
@MrBallen
I've been listening to your stories all afternoon and evening and suddenly, it's 9 PM! I am so hungry, my dogs haven't been fed, the dinner's not been made, the apartment is dusty, the laundry isn't yet folded, on and on! But I've accomplished scaring the bejeezuz out of myself for the past six or so hours! Well done, kind sir! :-)
Feed your dogs
Mr Ballen: Five days later their dogs were found still in the car
Us: OMG I hope they were ok
Mr Ballen: Don't worry the dogs survived
Us: Good, please continue to terrify us please.
Exactly!
Lmao
When people care about dogs more than human beings 🥸
If there’s a sign telling you to “stay on the trail,” STAY ON THE TRAIL, don’t wander off of it!
Exactly. BUT people are stupid
No it's not chalked up to 'people are stupid'. Many people go off trail. And many people get abducted by something while still on the trail... or even in their backyard. There is something else at play.
@@cocoamcjaegermeister5534 nope people are stupid. That, and the mind plays tricks on us. We see and hear things that are not there, and because we are stupid we go looking.
@@ShiningDarknes bruh people get abducted.
"Its fine i know what im doing"
My nephew is one of two certified caves experts for search and rescue in Idaho. He is an EMT too. He helped search the caves for these women. Tragic.
I’m not a fan of scary stories, I don’t do well with fear at all🤣. But the way he tells stories is so captivating
i wish he would put out more videos of just really good stories that don't involve gruesome deaths.
I've never found the, "secrets," in any videos.. MrBallen is so expressive and captivating. Feels like being in a class where the teacher deserves solid eye contact lol
I love how reassuring he was about the puppies being okay during the lava field story.
It’s crazy how well Mrballen can get such good photos to describe what is going on in these stories, even with the real photos.
Thank you for always being so respectful to the people and the families whose story you tell.
I've been hiking, camping, and exploring my entire life. Stories like this and other 411 cases make me want to never go outside again.
As long as you are careful and we'll equipped and know the terrain and how to face weather changes , you will be fine.
Yeah me too. Yet in my experience, people who get in trouble in the woods weren’t following any safety rules and deserve what they got. Every hiker knows how easy it is to get lost off trail. I’ve seen it so many times. Safety first.
In America anyway
@@amazingsupergirl7125 they deserve to die? What's wrong with you? How arrogant can you be?
One other quick point: Craters of the Moon and other National Parks usually have restrictions on the marked trails within the park the disallow dogs. So there’s a pretty good explanation why the two ladies didn’t bring their dogs with them- they would get fined for having their dogs on the trail. But this reinforces the notion that they only planned on a short walk, as most dog owners wouldn’t want to leave their animals in a vehicle for very long.
You make a good point. I could see a scenario where they decide to have a quick powerwalk, 5-10 minutes as they are there now anyway & if they are talking intently not fully paying attention to the surroundings but just the path in front of their feet you only need 1 or 2 forks in the path to put you wrong. Go a bit further than you meant to & turn around thinking the other one surely was noticing but find neither was then decide whoever gets back first start honking the horn but they are both getting more panicked and they have split up. If your a bit panicked & it's easy not to be completely aware of taking a right or left again & you really are fully lost & a 10 minute powerwalk could take you in a fair distance. I guess it depends how many branches there is off the main trail. But people can get disoriented in unfamiliar surroundings easily.
Exactly correct.
Why is it always “ Three miles away”. 🤔
We don’t know ask the “three mile away caves”
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It's the magic number... 😁
This place is a geographical oddity, 3 miles away from everywhere
I was thinking that lol
I once went on a trip with 2 buddies from college to some college event over the weekend. We decided to get off our train 2 stops earlier bc there was a mountain hike trail connecting the two villages where the train would have stopped anyways. One of my friends was considered very advanced when it came to outdoor adventures and hikes. He had chosen the trail based on an internet site which he used on the daily and which had never failed him before in terms of accuracy. Thesite said that the hiking trail between the two train stops would be fairly easy, 2-3 hours max. Definately no need for special gear or anything. Also It was early fall, so we thought the weather would be just perfect too.
Come the day of the hike, we got off the train at 8am and didnt arrive at out destination until 9pm. The trail got us higher and higher up the mountain until we could no longer follow the marks properly bc everything was covered in snow. I would make a step and slump hip deep into the snow or fall through small tree-tops, which grew further down the trail and which were covered by the snow. The terrain was very inhospitable, not at all an easy walk. The further we went the more dangerous it became with very narrow space to walk and unprotected cliff edges. Eventually we reached a spot where the trail just stopped. There was a huge cliff wall infront of us going down probably 50-80 m at a very steep angle. The wall was covered in snow and the top layer had already frozen over. There was no other way around this section other than to somehow make it to the other side of the cliff, which was about 20m to cross. Me, a18 yo female weighing about 100-110 lb at that time, I managed to somehow lean my back to the cliff, punch my feet into the ice and get a grip that way. Lucky me, the ice didnt break and carried my weight. I was by far managing this section the safest of us all. My buddies had to be much more careful. There were some ledges along the cliff on which they were able to stand. However, those were very far apart (which my short legs would have never managed go cross in the first place) and were composed of frozen soil and grass. One badly placed step and they would have broken through the ledge and fallen 50m down a cliff onto sharp rock formations, which also almost happened to one of the two guys. Luckily, our "guide" had brought hiking sticks with him, which my unlucky friend grabbed last second to sturdy himself.
When we finally made it to the other side, we saw the sunmit cross telling us that our trail had lead us 2 km farther up than was previously destribed on the internet site. Up there we thought the worst thing was over, until I took out my bag of trail mix and almost killed one of my buddies who was detrimenatlly allergic to nuts. I just breathed into his direction, that was enough. Miraculously, he didnt die up there and we were not forced to call the equivalent of our country's 911.
The hike back down the mountain was much worse than up. At some point all our phone batteries died. Luckily, our "guide" had come prepared with a second phone so we didnt get lost in the forest in pitch black darkness. At the end we managed to find our way to a strange road in the middle of the forest which led us back to civilisation where we had to wait 1 hour for the bus to take us to our shelter. In that 1 hour we almost froze to death in our sweat and snow drenched clothes. After that it was 45 minute bus ride and another 20 min walk until we reached our destination. Whenever I look back to this story, I just laugh, retrospectively thinking that after all everything turned out fine and it was a fun trip. But now listening to all these stories really made me realize how bad this could have turned out.
Stay safe people. Tell your friends and family where yall are going when attending a strange activity and never go alone!!
Thank you for sharing. So glad you were safe in the end.
You guys were lucky af for real… 🙏
I have a theory on the girl from the park... what if, she had gotten lost because of the trails, when it started to get dark, she was kind of rushing around trying to find her way back, and encountered a bear? Dogs that are trained to track, will sometimes lose a trail for a person if it gets covered by something stronger (a bear has a VERY strong musky smell). That would also explain how she got to the water from the cliff. If the wind fooled her into thinking cars were on a road that way, and she was being chased by a bear, she might have been going full speed when she hit the cliff and had enough speed that she did make it to the water. Dog teams wouldn't be able to catch the trail because of her head long run being chased by something that covered her scent, and with it being such a remote spot, no one would have found her, without a helicopter, til climbers went that way.
Inconcievable!
How do you get lost on a trail hike that's supposed to be 15 minutes? I am guessing she was suicidal, or while she was on the trail she saw a bear and she just ran like hell.
I doubt she could outrun a bear for that long.
And i doubt a bear would give chase for that long if he’s unable to catch her too
@@teabaggins3517 At the very beginning it was mentioned that the trail she was initially on spidered out into multiple trails; I'm imagining that's how she got lost in the first place.
Why was she nakie?
I swear no one is a better story teller than MrBallen. 2020 definitely took a scary yet amazing turn of events bc of him 😂 thanks MrBallen for being awesome 😎
Mr Ballen for president 2024 lol
Appreciate that!!
@@MrBallen if you do run for President I would vote for you :) it will be the first year I can vote
Ben and Mark: Although the signs of hypothermia “burning sensations” were present resulting in undressing; when he was found up against the tree, were there any signs of predation to explain the screaming for help and being dragged off trail in Ben’s “dream”?
It could be that Mark was calling for help because he was lost, and Ben could hear it in his dreams and his mind made up a scenario to make it make sense
@@raelynnabraham6643 Yeah this seems more likely if there was no signs of him being forced away from his pack. It was never specified that he pulled his own sleeping bag out before Ben left. And when Ben came back he said he only got him within eye shot and was tired himself. Perhaps Mark passed out just sitting there and woke up with hypothermia starting to set in and wandered off in the delerious stage. Like you said likely calling out/yelling from the woods while lost and starting to lose his mind. Especially if he woke up and Ben wasn't directly close, he may not have noticed him in his sleeping bag up the trail a bit before wandering off thinking his friend was gone.
Maybe he went to pee, caught hypothermia, wandered off.
Maybe he was sleep walking ‼️
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I'm now following David Paulidis' TH-cam channel because of these stories.
My belief is these remote places harbor some of the worst in humanity and human activity. Innocent people happen to stumble upon them, unaware of the danger they're in.
Nah. It's just that we're back in the food chain at national parks. Without lights and noise, predator animals have no fear of us
Thousands of like buttons go missing every year with none baffling circumstances inside MrBallen's channel
i wonder where mine went
Also mines its gone
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Finally a situation where the word "literally" really deserves to be used as MrBallen is LITERALLY the best youtuber.
Imagine waking up to your friend getting dragged into the woods then just falling right back asleep right next to him.
First, he was extremely tired and he thought it was a dream. Second, they weren’t right next to each other. Third, he quickly checked on his friend and saw his stuff still there so he thought it was fine
@@Jaaae00 Are you ok? You're out here acting like Watson and all and apparently you where him because you know what he was thinking. Fucking people cant even try to comment something funny with out that one person "uhhhh accutally"
@@momoniji6439 lmao i was just reciting what the MrBallen said. Also your initial comment didn’t come off as funny, it came off as more over a judgmental remark
@@Jaaae00 Yes because in my original comment I clearly blamed him and said what he did was wrong
@@momoniji6439 I said that it came off as you being judgmental... I never said that your comment flat out said it was the friend’s fault. It’s not a big deal lol
I got hit by a car from behind while walking down a sidewalk(right next to a cemetery, of all places). But I've been watching Mr Ballen for the past 2 months while stuck in bed, and tho I've had a few nightmares, I can't stop. Thank you, Mr Ballen, for your wonderful storytelling ability!
I hope you've recovered fully by now. But if not, here's hoping you recover soon. 💚
@@VeracityLH thank you very much! i can actually walk now, though i still hobble a bit. physical therapy has been going well and should be finished before november. and though i might not make back to 100% pre, i think i can over compensate with the rest of my bady enough that it won't matter. but again, thank you for your support, and i don't know if i'd have discovered mr ballen otherwise.
I'm glad you're making good progress! I've been in chronic pain 20 years myself, but this spring my husband was discovered to have stage IV cancer and it caused both arms to break. So our lives have turned upside down! Anyway, he has improved a good deal and therapy has helped him recover most of his use of the right arm. Today we got news that his left arm is now healing as well and we'll start therapy on it next week. His therapist is terrific and we wouldn't know what to do without her.
Hopefully both of you will get back to near normal strength between physical therapy and !r Ballen therapy! 👍💚🕯
V, hope things are staying on an even keel for your husband. 🥰