I'd like to thank the buster and quick mains for this accomplishment of telling fgo developers themselves and anyone that listens that arts needs more units to keep up and for fgo to respond accordingly. We couldn't have gotten this far without you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. From an arts main
Needs more of what we already had plenty? Get real. Though honestly, what do is even left that the arts meta already doesn't have. They have AOE and ST loopers. They have AOE and ST crit bombers. They have utility/survival/debuff scuming units. They have the cooldown reduction/np gen/heal support unit. They have damage+crit damage support unit, they have the best loop support unit in game. There are plenty of cheaper variants of all that as well. We already have almost every niche covered. they are just polishing the best part so people are the least disappointed.
I'm honestly surprised we don't have more moon cancer or beast class units. I can see wb mizugi or extra rin be a great bronze moon cancer and fou be a low star beast unit. I love avengers im fine with more but i would also want more units to balance out the game.
Why would there be more moon cancers? The class container for moon cancers is supposed to be small since very few fit into that space. Beast class is new and the rarest of all since normally we aren't supposed to be able to even summon beast class servants period, Draco was just the one exception. It's not like we got Tiamat summonable as a beast years back and there's a lore reason for that.
@@iamthestormthatisapproaching69 there are many potential servants that does fit, problem is they dont release them with typhon being the biggest example
Don’t we all I remember when lobo and salieri were my favorite avengers didn’t roll for any other avengers until ushi and nobu decided they wanted to be avengers to
I was about to joke and say, "Just pick the hotter servant but I mean, even that is pretty tough lol. I already have NP3 Space Ishtar, so besides my bias pull for Nitocris Alter I think I'm set with AOE arts Avengers afterwards.
The numbers showed in the video in case someone is interested or want to see the numbers more easily: No refound in the third wave because there will be not as often that you will encounter an 3+ waves node NP3 Marie alter: W1: 982.598 dmg|83% refound W2: 1.213.581 dmg|83 refound W3: 916.425 dmg NP4 Spishtar (Arts buff lands) W1: 1.023.353 dmg|82% refound W2: 1.300.884 dmg|82% refound W3: 1.046.273 NP4 Nitocris alter W1: 952.073 dmg|41% refound W2: 1.051.851 dmg|62% refound W3: 1.000.402 dmg NP5 Summer kama W1: 1.552.059 dmg|86% refound W2: 1.194.854 dmg|81% refound W3: 1.026.267 dmg NP3 Marie alter (irregular node) W1: 175.897 dmg|39% refound W2: 978.595 dmg|62% refound W3: 471.335 dmg NP4 Spishtar (irregular node + arts not landing) W1: 165.101 dmg|26% refound W2: 1.024.314 dmg|51% refound W3: 593.791 dmg Plushie pls fix this comment (or not) to avoid confusions about the numbers If this commentary get's fixed, then you guys must know that those refounds did not all the times had an early overkill to give more refound and also nitocris alter have a chance to give insta-death while farming
Arts really has 4 aoe arts avengers (6 if you include ranmaru and salieri), 3 aoe arts berserkers and 4 aoe arts rulers, meanwhile buster has only 1 aoe buster avenger (and its maou nobu lmao) 0 aoe arts rulers, and quick has the 1 aoe quick ruler, 1 aoe quick avenger, a 1 aoe quick berserker
Aww man, yeah. I always assume I'm forgetting at least one or two Servants of a specific class/card type when I try to list them. And yes, Iyo being automatically NP5 and also anti-Divine does a lot to help her.
2 aoe buster avengers you didnt include gorgon (3 if you include spishtar card change), there are 4 arts rulers summer melu, moriarty lily, johanna and iyo
@@XL1GT So can Space Ishtar though? In fact she literally does just that in the last part of the video. Kama suffers way more from enemy Servants with debuff resistance nuking her damage than Space Ishtar does from missing her Arts buff.
@@bluess1508 summer kama you will use more for farming and not in challenge quests because otherwise you will be dependent on her charm to do well on that challenge quest
@@XL1GTI was talking about farming. Event nodes tend to have Servants in the last wave so Kama's damage can potentially be really screwed over if she faces a Servant with debuff resistance.
Well arts had always been a secondary card type of hers, so it does makes some sense That or Lasemgle implies Arts is for the depressed😂. Like, Castoria, Mandricardo, Salieri, Marie alter, Kama, Scheherazade....it seems a bit concerning. Should I call a therapist?
With 3/3/X zerks I've been using the new summer mystic code with the 10% battery on two skills, it allows you to sandbag the 30% batteries until turn 2 and 3.
@@zkte Nah, he pulls it off when needed. After all, Fate is a strategy game, and composition is what makes units shine. Unless it's Herc, Cu or Taira, they are on that DBZ grind set.
Personally for me it seems like Kama = Marie > Nito > Spishtar as far as Arts Avengers go Like, if you are gonna be so unoriginal at least have uses outside of farming, and Kama and Marie at least have a good application in CQs and will not die if you dont Solemn Spam, while Nito is somewhat more available and has a 100% battery Sorry Ishtat but you are very meh kitwise😂. At least you can cheat and change NP type
Changing NP type on Spishtar specifically is the most overrated ability in the entire game IMO. Quick is useless on her because it's still 3 hits so abysmal refund, buster you can do better with actual buster servants like Melusine, and the default arts is still the best cardtype for her. Then her skillset besides that has dumb RNG and better steroids for other party members besides herself since her charisma variant is 20% for her and 30% for allies, which can mean multicore potential but only if Spishtar herself can clear a wave.
@@dstreetz91when spishtar was released (before castoria) it was cool. I think spishtar's main attractiveness is in her aoe atk up which helps in multicore farming. Also she has much better compatibility with oberon, so she can reach really high damage numbers (eg for double castoria oberon teams - NP2 spishtar with S3 arts miss outdamagep NP5 skama with charm miss) Even so, waifu matters most, so my lvl120 np5 skama teamed with my l120 kama can handle most irregular nodes better than my np1 spishtar.
Sidegrades, nito alter can at least be a 100 battery kill stick (basically use her like caster nito but with actual damage) but marie alter is just pointless for farming if you alr have the other 2 imo
Marie alter is pretty easily the worst I ran through several nodes in the chaldea sim with all 4 of the ssr aoe arts avengers and Marie consitently hit the lowest numbers with the worst refund. S kama hit the hardest when her charm procs. Spishtar hits the hardest overall if her s3 procs but if it doesn't she does relativly the same amount of damage as Nito alter provided you aren't against a human enemy. Against Human enemies Nito does the best due to her anti human powermod. There wasn't any situation i could make Marie alter do the best in however I can see her having some utility in cqs where you need an aoe np drain.
@@Draxare Seems right, except the part where Spish without s3 proc still does about 40k more than Nito without powermod. Without powermod, Nito's damage is by far the lowest out of them all, including Marie. She does make up for it with the battery.
@@Neznaiu98that’s simply not true and you can run your own calcs to see it. Chaldea has an excellent battle sim for any node you can dream of pit them against each other and see her anti human power mod does make a difference.
Im honestly really disapointed with marie alter shes easily the worst ssr arts avenger we have gotten so far I did multiple damage tests with all 4 in the chaldea sim Marie consitently comes with the lowest damage and the worst refund. She has some defensive utility but to what end when her support is castoria. She should have been a different card type or class.
she is by far the best in cq. I prefer a unit that is decent in farming (farming only servants are easily replacable) but are also great in cqs and she fits that very well
Doesn't really matter when arts loopers are dime a dozen lmao She looks fine at looping and most likely better at some harder stages because of her dot. Metaheads farming brainrot is pretty weird when at the end of the day, you'd just use FGA to farm hundreds of lottos boxes anyway 😅
@@hel9157it’s not that simple she’s maybe a side grade to kama. An on demand charm that amps Kamas damage to single target levels as well as a battery with damage ramp is invaluable. Most cqs don’t last more than a handful of turns anyways so the utility you can get from Marie is minimal when you can just kill the boss faster.
@@davidcardozo290 since devs simp for castoria they make tons of arts aoe, st and support servants and know that they will easily sell arts looper №228
Even if she were superior, her NP animation is so much worse than the other 3. I haven't seen a single Marie on my support list, aside from Kitasean who even cares about her.
Shes honestly in a pretty sad state already. Marie alter is pretty easily the worst I ran through several nodes in the chaldea sim with all 4 of the ssr aoe arts avengers and Marie consitently hit the lowest numbers with the worst refund. S kama hit the hardest when her charm procs. Spishtar hits the hardest overall if her s3 procs but if it doesn't she does relativly the same amount of damage as Nito alter provided you aren't against a human enemy. Against Human enemies Nito does the best due to her anti human powermod. There wasn't any situation i could make Marie alter do the best in however I can see her having some utility in cqs where you need an aoe np drain.
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Do Np level effect refunds in any way other than damage?
Yes. A lack of damage and slower overkill ramp up means less refund. Better to get high NP levels for a universal farmer.
They do but in this clip I am overkilling on like the first couple of hits on all of them so it doesn’t really matter here
@@morgansboobiesWell that sucks, cause I only have Spishtar but she's only Np1. I have Summer Ibuki though so I guess it's not that bad
Only matters for more consistent overkill hits, which give more refund
The quicker overkill the better
The Avenger Arts AoE Loopers are made of beautiful women I see
Salieri indeed beautiful women
Salieri is such a cutie.
Ah yes, Salieri-onee chan.
Salieri best waifu obvs
@@taufikhidayah2618ESPECIALLY Salieri
I'd like to thank the buster and quick mains for this accomplishment of telling fgo developers themselves and anyone that listens that arts needs more units to keep up and for fgo to respond accordingly. We couldn't have gotten this far without you.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart. From an arts main
Well as a quick main is less money spend from us, so you are welcome I suppose😅
arts aoe - skip + save sq and money. keep releasing them, otherwise I'd regret not pulling
@@mysticpumpkin8520I think NP levels might edge out the difference there.
Needs more of what we already had plenty? Get real.
Though honestly, what do is even left that the arts meta already doesn't have. They have AOE and ST loopers. They have AOE and ST crit bombers. They have utility/survival/debuff scuming units. They have the cooldown reduction/np gen/heal support unit. They have damage+crit damage support unit, they have the best loop support unit in game. There are plenty of cheaper variants of all that as well.
We already have almost every niche covered. they are just polishing the best part so people are the least disappointed.
@@elusiveshadow5848 They need to release Castoria 3 so we can use our Castorias after she reaches bond 15.
I'm honestly surprised we don't have more moon cancer or beast class units.
I can see wb mizugi or extra rin be a great bronze moon cancer and fou be a low star beast unit.
I love avengers im fine with more but i would also want more units to balance out the game.
Why would there be more moon cancers? The class container for moon cancers is supposed to be small since very few fit into that space. Beast class is new and the rarest of all since normally we aren't supposed to be able to even summon beast class servants period, Draco was just the one exception. It's not like we got Tiamat summonable as a beast years back and there's a lore reason for that.
Beast class is too new
What's sorta surprising to me is pretender, but I guess there can be a handful of potential servants that fit it
@@dstreetz91 class container really doesn't matter anymore lol, so many characters are classes they're no really supposed to be
@@iamthestormthatisapproaching69 there are many potential servants that does fit, problem is they dont release them with typhon being the biggest example
Doesn't matter. Salieri >>>
I wish I lived in your world
Don’t we all I remember when lobo and salieri were my favorite avengers didn’t roll for any other avengers until ushi and nobu decided they wanted to be avengers to
Lucky enough to have all 4. My Lvl.120 NP5 Nito-Alter is all I need, though.
I was about to joke and say, "Just pick the hotter servant but I mean, even that is pretty tough lol. I already have NP3 Space Ishtar, so besides my bias pull for Nitocris Alter I think I'm set with AOE arts Avengers afterwards.
They are all super hot🥵
The numbers showed in the video in case someone is interested or want to see the numbers more easily:
No refound in the third wave because there will be not as often that you will encounter an 3+ waves node
NP3 Marie alter:
W1: 982.598 dmg|83% refound
W2: 1.213.581 dmg|83 refound
W3: 916.425 dmg
NP4 Spishtar (Arts buff lands)
W1: 1.023.353 dmg|82% refound
W2: 1.300.884 dmg|82% refound
W3: 1.046.273
NP4 Nitocris alter
W1: 952.073 dmg|41% refound
W2: 1.051.851 dmg|62% refound
W3: 1.000.402 dmg
NP5 Summer kama
W1: 1.552.059 dmg|86% refound
W2: 1.194.854 dmg|81% refound
W3: 1.026.267 dmg
NP3 Marie alter (irregular node)
W1: 175.897 dmg|39% refound
W2: 978.595 dmg|62% refound
W3: 471.335 dmg
NP4 Spishtar (irregular node + arts not landing)
W1: 165.101 dmg|26% refound
W2: 1.024.314 dmg|51% refound
W3: 593.791 dmg
Plushie pls fix this comment (or not) to avoid confusions about the numbers
If this commentary get's fixed, then you guys must know that those refounds did not all the times had an early overkill to give more refound and also nitocris alter have a chance to give insta-death while farming
Thank you, this was helpful
I more weirded out Ranmaru isn't here since Ranmaru is also an AOE Arts Avenger.
Probably to keep focus on the SSRs. Besides, from what I remember Ranmaru's refund isn't the best, so she isn't truly a match for them
@@eeriecode1628 I can reliably BG farm with Ranmaru, double Castoria and Lady Avalon
Salieri?
@@count3122But can you do it with only 1 Castoria, Light Koyan, and Waver?
@@cameraredeye3115 Why would I use Light Koyan with an Arts farmer
Marielter np per turn is big tho,compensate that weaker np gen
Where Salieri and Ranmaru? 😂
They aren't hot women
@@davidcardozo290 ranmaru is hot wdym
@@morsayxd You weebs will look at anything that looks remotely feminine and call it hot.
that marie alter VA is killing it on some NP lines. Love it.
And ranmaru still clears all of them
ﾟ+.ヽ(≧ФωФ≦)ﾉ.+ﾟ
Arts really has 4 aoe arts avengers (6 if you include ranmaru and salieri), 3 aoe arts berserkers and 4 aoe arts rulers, meanwhile buster has only 1 aoe buster avenger (and its maou nobu lmao) 0 aoe arts rulers, and quick has the 1 aoe quick ruler, 1 aoe quick avenger, a 1 aoe quick berserker
There are two AoE Arts Rulers. Summer Melu and Young Moriarty.
@@vel0xraperio welfare iyo is better than most 5*s and joanna can surprisingly loop as well as avengers with investment
Aww man, yeah. I always assume I'm forgetting at least one or two Servants of a specific class/card type when I try to list them.
And yes, Iyo being automatically NP5 and also anti-Divine does a lot to help her.
@@vel0xraperio Summer Melu, Moriarty lily, and you forgot Johanna for ssr rulers plus Iyo for sr's
2 aoe buster avengers you didnt include gorgon (3 if you include spishtar card change), there are 4 arts rulers summer melu, moriarty lily, johanna and iyo
Sishtar finishing the second wave at 82% and kama at 81%, this is basically the same refund
Yes, but as an user of summer kama i can confirm that she can loop without depending on an 80% buff land chance
@@XL1GT So can Space Ishtar though? In fact she literally does just that in the last part of the video. Kama suffers way more from enemy Servants with debuff resistance nuking her damage than Space Ishtar does from missing her Arts buff.
@@bluess1508 summer kama you will use more for farming and not in challenge quests because otherwise you will be dependent on her charm to do well on that challenge quest
@@XL1GTI was talking about farming. Event nodes tend to have Servants in the last wave so Kama's damage can potentially be really screwed over if she faces a Servant with debuff resistance.
@@bluess1508 in that case i will say as an summer kama main the following:
RNG
why there are no ranmaru huh. where is my sweetty pie maru
I thought Marie was going to be a quick servant
She definitely looks more quick
Well arts had always been a secondary card type of hers, so it does makes some sense
That or Lasemgle implies Arts is for the depressed😂. Like, Castoria, Mandricardo, Salieri, Marie alter, Kama, Scheherazade....it seems a bit concerning. Should I call a therapist?
@@mysticpumpkin8520Funny you say that since Kiara who is a therapist is also arts
there was an AoE Quick Avenger just released 2 months ago...
@@shadow7179Shldve made her ST than. Anything to avoid the aoe arts boredom
but those sidegrades are worth 2,5 kg each 😂
Plushie: God these fucking Avengers all feel like they're the same character
Avengers!... Assemble..
IS THAT AVENGER MARIE?????
artsvenger aoe my beloved
Proper kama ascention.
Bro where DEMON KING MAOU NOBUNAGA 😭😭.She's also an AOE Avenger
Ranmaru:😭
With 3/3/X zerks I've been using the new summer mystic code with the 10% battery on two skills, it allows you to sandbag the 30% batteries until turn 2 and 3.
I think it’s okay that Marie isn’t as spectacular as a farmer when she’s relatively superior than the rest in CQs and bosses.
I hope they release more aoe arts avenger, we really do need more variety
My Lv110 Salieri is very, very sad.
At least you didn't spend your life savings getting him.
@@davidcardozo290at least your Salieri isn't stuck at np3
@@zkte You're right.
He's stuck at np1 👍
@@davidcardozo290 oh... 😭
@@zkte Nah, he pulls it off when needed. After all, Fate is a strategy game, and composition is what makes units shine. Unless it's Herc, Cu or Taira, they are on that DBZ grind set.
It's a feast of Beautiful women
What's the problem. I see this as an absolute win
You could get extra copies, OR compensate with easy NP5 Salieri and Ranmaru. Or an NP2 Summer Ibuki XD
JK, go for what your heart seeks
Personally for me it seems like Kama = Marie > Nito > Spishtar as far as Arts Avengers go
Like, if you are gonna be so unoriginal at least have uses outside of farming, and Kama and Marie at least have a good application in CQs and will not die if you dont Solemn Spam, while Nito is somewhat more available and has a 100% battery
Sorry Ishtat but you are very meh kitwise😂. At least you can cheat and change NP type
Changing NP type on Spishtar specifically is the most overrated ability in the entire game IMO. Quick is useless on her because it's still 3 hits so abysmal refund, buster you can do better with actual buster servants like Melusine, and the default arts is still the best cardtype for her. Then her skillset besides that has dumb RNG and better steroids for other party members besides herself since her charisma variant is 20% for her and 30% for allies, which can mean multicore potential but only if Spishtar herself can clear a wave.
@@dstreetz91 changing color would be good if she was quick or buster, but she already starts at the best one.
@@dstreetz91when spishtar was released (before castoria) it was cool. I think spishtar's main attractiveness is in her aoe atk up which helps in multicore farming. Also she has much better compatibility with oberon, so she can reach really high damage numbers (eg for double castoria oberon teams - NP2 spishtar with S3 arts miss outdamagep NP5 skama with charm miss)
Even so, waifu matters most, so my lvl120 np5 skama teamed with my l120 kama can handle most irregular nodes better than my np1 spishtar.
I just have 1 of the aoe arts avengers and thats space ishtar at np1
Rin still good
Me having 4 of em, for me its not about damage i want new arts looper thats it lol since 3 of em already bond 10
Marie alter is a good choice?
No more Tira 😔
Marie Alter is easily the hottest one, so she wins
Sooo, who's better? I have both Spishtar and S.Kama on NA but don't have MarieAlter or NitoAlter on JP so can't say anything for sure.
Summer ibuki
Sidegrades, nito alter can at least be a 100 battery kill stick (basically use her like caster nito but with actual damage) but marie alter is just pointless for farming if you alr have the other 2 imo
Marie alter is pretty easily the worst I ran through several nodes in the chaldea sim with all 4 of the ssr aoe arts avengers and Marie consitently hit the lowest numbers with the worst refund. S kama hit the hardest when her charm procs. Spishtar hits the hardest overall if her s3 procs but if it doesn't she does relativly the same amount of damage as Nito alter provided you aren't against a human enemy. Against Human enemies Nito does the best due to her anti human powermod. There wasn't any situation i could make Marie alter do the best in however I can see her having some utility in cqs where you need an aoe np drain.
@@Draxare Seems right, except the part where Spish without s3 proc still does about 40k more than Nito without powermod. Without powermod, Nito's damage is by far the lowest out of them all, including Marie. She does make up for it with the battery.
@@Neznaiu98that’s simply not true and you can run your own calcs to see it. Chaldea has an excellent battle sim for any node you can dream of pit them against each other and see her anti human power mod does make a difference.
Im honestly really disapointed with marie alter shes easily the worst ssr arts avenger we have gotten so far I did multiple damage tests with all 4 in the chaldea sim Marie consitently comes with the lowest damage and the worst refund. She has some defensive utility but to what end when her support is castoria. She should have been a different card type or class.
She's better than the others in CQ and Bosses
farm brainrot
she is by far the best in cq. I prefer a unit that is decent in farming (farming only servants are easily replacable) but are also great in cqs and she fits that very well
Doesn't really matter when arts loopers are dime a dozen lmao
She looks fine at looping and most likely better at some harder stages because of her dot.
Metaheads farming brainrot is pretty weird when at the end of the day, you'd just use FGA to farm hundreds of lottos boxes anyway 😅
@@hel9157it’s not that simple she’s maybe a side grade to kama. An on demand charm that amps Kamas damage to single target levels as well as a battery with damage ramp is invaluable. Most cqs don’t last more than a handful of turns anyways so the utility you can get from Marie is minimal when you can just kill the boss faster.
buster only has gorgona and nobu. sure, lets make another arts cringe
Arts is just too pampered in general. Quick is chained to an enormous rock called Skadi and buster ain't s@$+ without Koyan and Mothbastard.
@@davidcardozo290 since devs simp for castoria they make tons of arts aoe, st and support servants and know that they will easily sell arts looper №228
Even if she were superior, her NP animation is so much worse than the other 3.
I haven't seen a single Marie on my support list, aside from Kitasean who even cares about her.
Shes honestly in a pretty sad state already. Marie alter is pretty easily the worst I ran through several nodes in the chaldea sim with all 4 of the ssr aoe arts avengers and Marie consitently hit the lowest numbers with the worst refund. S kama hit the hardest when her charm procs. Spishtar hits the hardest overall if her s3 procs but if it doesn't she does relativly the same amount of damage as Nito alter provided you aren't against a human enemy. Against Human enemies Nito does the best due to her anti human powermod. There wasn't any situation i could make Marie alter do the best in however I can see her having some utility in cqs where you need an aoe np drain.
mostly due to her mats, shes using oc2 new mat so not many people have her at max yet
Marie Alter>>>>>>>the others
Avengers!...Assemble..