my first "contact" with hard rock/heavy metal was at the beginning of the 70s, but the real turn was when I assisted to see Led Zeppelin "the song remains the same" film (1973 then I was 10 years old) and then I was completed lost in the world of hard rock and roll forever; I think new generation find "heavy metal and hard rock music" interesting but as very often happens, some kids get the wrong idea about the concepts of heavy metal and its direction can change for something totally different and wrong, glorious were the days when great bands and awesome songs were played and written, nowadays the idea and projection of what heavy metal was in its pick is just a memory in the past.
I'm 19 now, and as far as i can remember I've never had any negative conversations with older guys. Most of the time it's just a nice chat about some nerdy metal stuff or getting complimented for keeping Metal alive (Singing the lyrics to almost every song Testament played at Wacken 2019 that was :D). The coolest encounter I've ever had, was this one guy at Headbangers Ball Tour with Sodom, Exodus, Death Angel and Suicidal Angels. When he saw me and my friends in our battle jackets (mostly oldschool bands/patches on them), you could see him pretty much tear up and hug everyone of us. He said to us that we are the ones, who keep the spirit of metal alive. So yeah, I've certainly never experienced anything negative so far. And you're right about the whole thing with new music. Just take Bands like Stallion, Skull Fist or Ambush for example, they rule!
Heh, you got a hug! But, that old timer is right. The future of metal is with the younger gen, and that's not only okay... it's GOOD and should be that way. Really enjoying the fact that a few commenters for this video are having positive experiences with my fellow old dudes. Heartening, really. And you've just reminded me that this Covid thing needs to end so we can all get back to seeing some damn shows!
If anything, I feel bad for younger metal fans just because of the volume of metal history and awesome albums that there are out there. Heavy metal has changed so much over the last 30-40 years. Back when we were kids, metal hadn't been around as long, and we could listen to basically the whole history. Now, there's been tens of thousands of great albums and it's impossible to even keep up with what is coming out now, let alone to go back and listen to what came before. It's cool seeing younger fans get into albums and bands that I either used to listen to (or are still in regular rotation), or, occasionally, that I've forgotten about! Also, they can tell me about what's cool and new, because I don't have as much time to discover new stuff as I used to.
Well, I do remember that line is from the album, South Of Heaven, so my memory is still at least somewhat intact. ;) Oh, I kid, I kid. But, seriously, South of Heaven. LOL
I really like the more off-the-cuff and honest delivery of this video! Dunno if it's more experience behind the camera or the format or what, but I really enjoyed this video. Lets more of your personality come through!
Really appreciate this type of feedback! It helps, believe me. To be honest, I dig this format quite a bit, and it's likely I'll be doing more of these. Of course, I enjoy the formats for all of my shows but, like you, I see the inherent benefits of this particular one. Thank you for the insight.
I like this video, and I agree with your points. I was born in '92, so my early days of getting into metal were in the mid-2000s, of course. And, being of what I call the mid-school generation, I can understand some of the older people's frustration. It's that many of the younger people don't want to learn! It's like back in the 2000s when people were content calling themselves metalheads only because they worshipped Slipknot. I don't dislike Slipknot, I'm just saying that the genre is way more than that one nu metal band. And that's when taking a trip back into the earlier decades is necessary. Unfortunately, some of those younger people are very mouthy toward the older generation, and they don't want to hear important stories such as, for example, seeing Slayer or Kreator live in '87, and because the only "metal" bands they like are Ghost and Black Veil Brides... I'm only twenty-eight but I get upset by this attitude. I'm not saying they should look up to the older generation and offer them a b-job just because they're "elders"; I am just saying that if one choses to call himself a metalhead, he should know what that really means. I only had this generation issue once in my life. The man was in his sixties, and he "saw it all happen" as he said verbatim. He was a massive Alice Cooper and David Bowie fan, and he was surprised that I never cared much for either of them. I don't dislike them; it's that my "oldies" are more on the lines of Bathory, Sodom, Venom, and Possessed, all of which he wasn't familiar with. I wondered to myself how could he confidently say that he "saw it all happen" if he wasn't familiar with those pioneering bands? My point is that sometimes people that age who were never underground sometimes flex more than they've got. I mean, really, he is surprised that a metalhead cares more for Bathory over Alice Cooper? I'm not saying he is not important nor influential. I am just saying that some people like extreme metal over classic rock.
I feel that folks miss out a bit by not at least trying out some of the metal from the generations that aren't their own. I'm not talking about the metal equivalent of Hands Across America or some lame hippie thing, but purely for the insight (or maybe even the appreciation and, maybe still, discovering new bands). As I mention, I do these videos as a productive means to utilize my own metal knowledge. But, my learning doesn't end with me. There are some fantastic TH-cam channels out there by younger fans that blow me away, and in no way do they suffer from not being around "back in the day." Some of my fellow old people would vastly benefit from an open-minded viewing of some of these channels. Thanks for commenting. Seriously.
I'm in both camps really. I don't care what youngsters are listening to but also I know I probably wont like the new stuff. I have lots of friends on youtube who are around my age and listen to lots of new bands and god bless them for trying to enlighten me but I can't take to any of it lol. It's not a im older so im better and you young ones missed out, I just don't hear anything that interests me 99% of the time.
Back when I was about 22 a guy that wrote for the same music magazine a me did a kind of mini-rant over mail and said that younger metal/hard rock generations really can't have the same knowledge and "right" opinions because they weren't around "back in the day". Always laughed at that kind of gate-keepers and always will.
Gatekeeper! THAT'S the term I was wanted to use! That's exactly the type. Of course, older fans (such as myself) have some unique experiences, given the age/time/band thing, but that's it. Otherwise, music is eternal. Generations from now can pick up a copy of Ride The Lightning or Blessed Are The Sick or even The Satanist and get that same enthusiasm, enjoyment, and connectedness to the record (or digital download, or whatever futuristic medium takes its place) than those young folks of the album's time. As for history, there is no difference between me reading a Hit Parader or Metal Forces article in 1987 and someone 40 years from now finding that same info online. It's the same information. So, yeah, not sold on the gatekeeper attitude. Thanks for chiming in.
I 100% agree. People had a great love for certain classics when they first came out and people will have a great love for them when discovering them 30 years after their release. But there is no "worth" of your love of music to be measured, depending of when and how you discovered it.
As a young metalhead I haven’t experienced this type of behavior, when I talk to a lot of older metalheads they encourage it more than being grumpy. They are oh you’re into heavy metal, that’s cool, keep it up you know.
And that's exactly what I like to hear! I meet a lot of younger fans at shows and we just shoot the shit about metal... like fans should! It's nice when it works out that way.
I’ve never had a hard time with older metal heads especially when I go to concerts such as when I went to Slayer and there group of older guys seemed pretty enjoyed that a younger person still listened to metal and goes to shows. I’d say older generations reactions is more positive than negative. I do hate the argument of there no new good bands after (19**) cause not all metal nowadays is like metalcore or sounds like any “modern” bands as people put it.
I think metalcore gets a lot of the spotlight in the eyes of older fans and what they don't want to hear -- and maybe the whole of metal is lumped in there for some of them as a result. That's a comfort zone I don't want to be in. I want to step outside of that and find myself in unfamiliar territory. That's much the point of life. But, I'm really glad to hear that your experiences have been largely positive. I meet cool people of all ages at shows and that prime commonality is always there -- that love for metal. Great stuff!
The Accusation Network not saying metalcore fans aren’t metal, however that seems to be where a lot of hate is pointed, still I feel that’s just a very vocal minority of people with that elitist mindset, not my bag but if someone likes it that’s all that matters.
The only time I've noticed this kind of behavior is when young metalheads (both age-wise and 'metal-status-wise') brag about listening to metal and post some mediocre/radio-metal bands that don't 'impress' anyone or are regarded as sell-outs or 'entry bands'. I don't think any reasonable person would discredit someone for being young and listening to metal as long as the kid doesn't present himself as a kvlt edgelord. The other thing is, I've noticed, a lot of people think that you can't listen to anything else besides metal. Although I personally don't go beyond metal most times, I don't care if someone is a fan of some other music genres. However, some folks out there immediately target that person and call them a poser, that's a thing. Live and let die, I guess?
Well, jerks come in all sizes... and ages, so there's that. And it's high time that th term "poser" is relegated to the dust bin of history at this point. That's other people telling you what can like and what you can't like in music. Funny how such an attitude runs counter to rebellion and thinking for yourself... you know, those qualities that heavy metal actually champions. Come to think of it, I think I smell another rant video idea. Thanks!
Can't say I've had this experience myself in a hostile way. I take the piss out of my older metal head friends all the time as it's the kind of guy I am, but it's always in jest. Ironically I'm in my 30's now and most gigs i go too i'm classed as old compared to the millions of teens who are into metal now and able to find bands just by using their phones. I also find that my taste in music is cemented in anything before the 00's and i only like new bands that resemble that period so do struggle with new music genres and what's 'current' in the wider metal world. Also, if a kid is going to tell me a bands like Skindread or Nightwish are better than anything i listen to then i will go to war with them haha.
Well, you know what you like, and there's nothing wrong with that. And, yeah, we're all going to rib each other here and there. As long as it's a good time for all involved, then no problems. Only speaking for myself here, I do try to rein back my less productive biases in this arena when appropriate. I know I have a few so when it devolves into unfairness, I pull it back. And sometimes, it's just better for me to shut it up and enjoy the metal. Thanks for commenting.
That's called bully adults need to grow up don't be a child in your own mind kids with kids and adults I like older bands like Van de graaff generator wishbone Ash stargazer Uriah Heep
What do YOU think about the whole old-vs-young thing in metal, or in general? Let me know that - and any other thoughts - in the comments below.
my first "contact" with hard rock/heavy metal was at the beginning of the 70s, but the real turn was when I assisted to see Led Zeppelin "the song remains the same" film (1973 then I was 10 years old) and then I was completed lost in the world of hard rock and roll forever; I think new generation find "heavy metal and hard rock music" interesting but as very often happens, some kids get the wrong idea about the concepts of heavy metal and its direction can change for something totally different and wrong, glorious were the days when great bands and awesome songs were played and written, nowadays the idea and projection of what heavy metal was in its pick is just a memory in the past.
This dude is highly underrated!🤘
Thanks mucho!
I'm 19 now, and as far as i can remember I've never had any negative conversations with older guys. Most of the time it's just a nice chat about some nerdy metal stuff or getting complimented for keeping Metal alive (Singing the lyrics to almost every song Testament played at Wacken 2019 that was :D). The coolest encounter I've ever had, was this one guy at Headbangers Ball Tour with Sodom, Exodus, Death Angel and Suicidal Angels. When he saw me and my friends in our battle jackets (mostly oldschool bands/patches on them), you could see him pretty much tear up and hug everyone of us. He said to us that we are the ones, who keep the spirit of metal alive. So yeah, I've certainly never experienced anything negative so far. And you're right about the whole thing with new music. Just take Bands like Stallion, Skull Fist or Ambush for example, they rule!
Heh, you got a hug! But, that old timer is right. The future of metal is with the younger gen, and that's not only okay... it's GOOD and should be that way. Really enjoying the fact that a few commenters for this video are having positive experiences with my fellow old dudes. Heartening, really.
And you've just reminded me that this Covid thing needs to end so we can all get back to seeing some damn shows!
If anything, I feel bad for younger metal fans just because of the volume of metal history and awesome albums that there are out there. Heavy metal has changed so much over the last 30-40 years. Back when we were kids, metal hadn't been around as long, and we could listen to basically the whole history. Now, there's been tens of thousands of great albums and it's impossible to even keep up with what is coming out now, let alone to go back and listen to what came before. It's cool seeing younger fans get into albums and bands that I either used to listen to (or are still in regular rotation), or, occasionally, that I've forgotten about! Also, they can tell me about what's cool and new, because I don't have as much time to discover new stuff as I used to.
As long as you remember "I commence your flesh to DIRT!" that's all the Reign in Blood lyrics I expect you to remember.
Well, I do remember that line is from the album, South Of Heaven, so my memory is still at least somewhat intact. ;) Oh, I kid, I kid. But, seriously, South of Heaven. LOL
@@TheAccusationNetwork Crap, you're right...*slinks away to Remedial Metal class*
Maybe I am! Also I've noticed a certain trend amongst younger people trying to please older folks by worshipping whatever was 'cool' in the 80s
Oh, I've seen that. In those cases, there's often an air of insincerity along with the mimickry that can be a tad cringy.
I really like the more off-the-cuff and honest delivery of this video! Dunno if it's more experience behind the camera or the format or what, but I really enjoyed this video. Lets more of your personality come through!
Really appreciate this type of feedback! It helps, believe me. To be honest, I dig this format quite a bit, and it's likely I'll be doing more of these. Of course, I enjoy the formats for all of my shows but, like you, I see the inherent benefits of this particular one. Thank you for the insight.
The whole pencil/cassette thing is you use the pencil (or pen) to write on the label what's on the cassette tape.
You're a cheeky bastard, Mr. Arbour.
Who's the fuck that keeps giving a thumbs down on your videos?
I like this video, and I agree with your points. I was born in '92, so my early days of getting into metal were in the mid-2000s, of course. And, being of what I call the mid-school generation, I can understand some of the older people's frustration. It's that many of the younger people don't want to learn! It's like back in the 2000s when people were content calling themselves metalheads only because they worshipped Slipknot. I don't dislike Slipknot, I'm just saying that the genre is way more than that one nu metal band. And that's when taking a trip back into the earlier decades is necessary. Unfortunately, some of those younger people are very mouthy toward the older generation, and they don't want to hear important stories such as, for example, seeing Slayer or Kreator live in '87, and because the only "metal" bands they like are Ghost and Black Veil Brides... I'm only twenty-eight but I get upset by this attitude. I'm not saying they should look up to the older generation and offer them a b-job just because they're "elders"; I am just saying that if one choses to call himself a metalhead, he should know what that really means.
I only had this generation issue once in my life. The man was in his sixties, and he "saw it all happen" as he said verbatim. He was a massive Alice Cooper and David Bowie fan, and he was surprised that I never cared much for either of them. I don't dislike them; it's that my "oldies" are more on the lines of Bathory, Sodom, Venom, and Possessed, all of which he wasn't familiar with. I wondered to myself how could he confidently say that he "saw it all happen" if he wasn't familiar with those pioneering bands? My point is that sometimes people that age who were never underground sometimes flex more than they've got. I mean, really, he is surprised that a metalhead cares more for Bathory over Alice Cooper? I'm not saying he is not important nor influential. I am just saying that some people like extreme metal over classic rock.
I feel that folks miss out a bit by not at least trying out some of the metal from the generations that aren't their own. I'm not talking about the metal equivalent of Hands Across America or some lame hippie thing, but purely for the insight (or maybe even the appreciation and, maybe still, discovering new bands).
As I mention, I do these videos as a productive means to utilize my own metal knowledge. But, my learning doesn't end with me. There are some fantastic TH-cam channels out there by younger fans that blow me away, and in no way do they suffer from not being around "back in the day." Some of my fellow old people would vastly benefit from an open-minded viewing of some of these channels.
Thanks for commenting. Seriously.
but but but they started it!
You're shaking your cane in anger right now, aren't you? LOL
I love seeing young people at shows, just hate when they call me Sir lol
I'm rather partial to Your Majesty, but I seem to never hear it from the kids.
I'm in both camps really.
I don't care what youngsters are listening to but also I know I probably wont like the new stuff.
I have lots of friends on youtube who are around my age and listen to lots of new bands and god bless them for trying to enlighten me but I can't take to any of it lol.
It's not a im older so im better and you young ones missed out, I just don't hear anything that interests me 99% of the time.
And that's reasonable on both counts. BTW, really dug your glam bands list. Another person who likes Vain! Hurrah!
Back when I was about 22 a guy that wrote for the same music magazine a me did a kind of mini-rant over mail and said that younger metal/hard rock generations really can't have the same knowledge and "right" opinions because they weren't around "back in the day". Always laughed at that kind of gate-keepers and always will.
Gatekeeper! THAT'S the term I was wanted to use! That's exactly the type. Of course, older fans (such as myself) have some unique experiences, given the age/time/band thing, but that's it. Otherwise, music is eternal. Generations from now can pick up a copy of Ride The Lightning or Blessed Are The Sick or even The Satanist and get that same enthusiasm, enjoyment, and connectedness to the record (or digital download, or whatever futuristic medium takes its place) than those young folks of the album's time. As for history, there is no difference between me reading a Hit Parader or Metal Forces article in 1987 and someone 40 years from now finding that same info online. It's the same information. So, yeah, not sold on the gatekeeper attitude. Thanks for chiming in.
I 100% agree. People had a great love for certain classics when they first came out and people will have a great love for them when discovering them 30 years after their release. But there is no "worth" of your love of music to be measured, depending of when and how you discovered it.
As a young metalhead I haven’t experienced this type of behavior, when I talk to a lot of older metalheads they encourage it more than being grumpy. They are oh you’re into heavy metal, that’s cool, keep it up you know.
And that's exactly what I like to hear! I meet a lot of younger fans at shows and we just shoot the shit about metal... like fans should! It's nice when it works out that way.
I’ve never had a hard time with older metal heads especially when I go to concerts such as when I went to Slayer and there group of older guys seemed pretty enjoyed that a younger person still listened to metal and goes to shows. I’d say older generations reactions is more positive than negative. I do hate the argument of there no new good bands after (19**) cause not all metal nowadays is like metalcore or sounds like any “modern” bands as people put it.
I think metalcore gets a lot of the spotlight in the eyes of older fans and what they don't want to hear -- and maybe the whole of metal is lumped in there for some of them as a result. That's a comfort zone I don't want to be in. I want to step outside of that and find myself in unfamiliar territory. That's much the point of life. But, I'm really glad to hear that your experiences have been largely positive. I meet cool people of all ages at shows and that prime commonality is always there -- that love for metal. Great stuff!
The Accusation Network not saying metalcore fans aren’t metal, however that seems to be where a lot of hate is pointed, still I feel that’s just a very vocal minority of people with that elitist mindset, not my bag but if someone likes it that’s all that matters.
The only time I've noticed this kind of behavior is when young metalheads (both age-wise and 'metal-status-wise') brag about listening to metal and post some mediocre/radio-metal bands that don't 'impress' anyone or are regarded as sell-outs or 'entry bands'. I don't think any reasonable person would discredit someone for being young and listening to metal as long as the kid doesn't present himself as a kvlt edgelord.
The other thing is, I've noticed, a lot of people think that you can't listen to anything else besides metal. Although I personally don't go beyond metal most times, I don't care if someone is a fan of some other music genres. However, some folks out there immediately target that person and call them a poser, that's a thing.
Live and let die, I guess?
Well, jerks come in all sizes... and ages, so there's that. And it's high time that th term "poser" is relegated to the dust bin of history at this point. That's other people telling you what can like and what you can't like in music. Funny how such an attitude runs counter to rebellion and thinking for yourself... you know, those qualities that heavy metal actually champions. Come to think of it, I think I smell another rant video idea. Thanks!
Can't say I've had this experience myself in a hostile way. I take the piss out of my older metal head friends all the time as it's the kind of guy I am, but it's always in jest. Ironically I'm in my 30's now and most gigs i go too i'm classed as old compared to the millions of teens who are into metal now and able to find bands just by using their phones. I also find that my taste in music is cemented in anything before the 00's and i only like new bands that resemble that period so do struggle with new music genres and what's 'current' in the wider metal world. Also, if a kid is going to tell me a bands like Skindread or Nightwish are better than anything i listen to then i will go to war with them haha.
Well, you know what you like, and there's nothing wrong with that. And, yeah, we're all going to rib each other here and there. As long as it's a good time for all involved, then no problems. Only speaking for myself here, I do try to rein back my less productive biases in this arena when appropriate. I know I have a few so when it devolves into unfairness, I pull it back. And sometimes, it's just better for me to shut it up and enjoy the metal. Thanks for commenting.
Yes I'm a Boomer Metalhead \m/
I'm Gen X so I get considered to be somewhere in the middle of the surrounding generations by some, and a boomer by a lot of youngins.
That's called bully adults need to grow up don't be a child in your own mind kids with kids and adults I like older bands like Van de graaff generator wishbone Ash stargazer Uriah Heep
There's definitely an immaturity factor at play here.
im only 14, and old metal is crap i like deathcore better
old metal fans make me cringe
Alrighty then.