@@concinnus yes, the old festoon lights had self piercing connectors on flat cable, used as far back as the 1930s for sign 'trough' lights but with those holders you had to strip the outer sheathing and route the wires into the channels with the spikes in
I live in the US and installed my car charger DIY. It was a 30 meter run from the main panel to the garage. 15 meters ran underground through a previously installed 2 inch/5 cm buried plastic conduit. I ran 3/4 inch/18 (+/-) mm thin wall conduit from the main panel to the existing conduit. Code required a GFI breaker (which I would have installed anyway), #8 for power and #10 for ground. I don't know why ground is required in metal conduit, but the code is written in blood, not ink, so I follow it in letter and spirit. My number one rule for DIY is: materials are free compared to the labor costs saved. Respect yourself. Use the best and go big. Electricity is for life.
I'm glad someone is talking about how EV charging actually works. Few people will be doing a flat to full charge daily. Not many people stop at the petrol station and put in a full tank every day so why would it be any different with an EV? Even if the EV has a small battery and does require full charging, that is offset by the low capacity of the battery. What we really need is a coordinated system, a common (universal) protocol for the network and charging equipment/EV to talk to each other to work out what to do and when to do it. EV owner merely says I'd like X percent charge by such n such time and let the system work it all out. If more capacity is available, the system decides to bring the EV up to a higher SOC than requested, so tomorrow night this EV might not get any charge at all allowing the power to go into a EV that needs it.
@@maxking3 Not a global system, is it? All has its many and varied means. Slap a KEBA and a Hager Witty on a common supply and can they co-ordinate with the network to ensure say the area supply transformer is not overloaded?
@@retrozmachine1189 Yep, should work. Both based on OCPP 2.0 / ISO15118. (… which is an open, global standard, only ignored by our cousins across the pond!)
@@retrozmachine1189 Yep, should work. Both based on OCPP 2.0 / ISO15118. (.. which is an open, global standard, only ignored by our cousins across the pond!)
I am British and long used British systems. I now also live in France where I have extensively used their system. Let's keep it simple, the current UK system is inferior and out of date. Highlights of the French system over the UK system: Socket and switch in-wall boxes are round not square - cut with a circular tank cutter in a few mins, light and power cable is marked every metre on the jacket and is colour coded (1.5v2.5), connections to sockets and switches are all push fit with a push button to release, the big benefit is dual pole switching and isolation for all breakers in the consumer unit. The UK system is truly stuck in 1950.
I can’t believe the industry hasn’t seen more modular systems being used. It’s like a vehicle manufacturer custom making all the connections in a vehicle while being made. It’s in efficient. This type of system shouldn’t be limited to car charging systems.
@@alanmay7929 which is odd, because the only vampire tap systems that are approved by ESA are low voltage garden lighting taps for obvious reasons (hv oxidation from elements and increased resistance = failure and fire)
In the US, rigid conduit and junction boxes already accomplish this pretty well for decades in commercial. It's pretty easy to saw out a section of rigid, add a 4" square or J-box, set screw the conduits to the box, make your splice, and go off whatever other direction you want with the conduit. Assuming you have room on the branch. No threading, easy to get through, and more than strong enough. Alternatively if appearances or strength aren't needed, flex conduit is easy as hell to work with comparatively. But I have thought about it. A lot of cubicle furniture is just built with a system that looks very similar to this of "belts" of wires, though they have locking connectors on both ends to continue the run or connect to an outlet.
I have seen far too many pierce type connections like this fail. The RV industry in the US uses a two piece electrical outlet that works in almost exactly the same manner. The Romex cable is laid in the outlet and the cover is sandwiched on. Blades (think of a pair of scissors opened up) pierce the conductors to make the connection. They have a very high failure rate long-term
It's true that the stranded wire is much much more reliable than a solid-conductor Romex... and Romex is not tinned but just bare copper which makes for worse corrosion possibilities... but yes, even so the whole idea of vampire taps gives me the willies.
another problem with tap in systems like this is that plastic can deform easily when heated, and after some time the tap in point could have a loose connection, which could soon start a fire
They tried the same shit in the US with the push-in terminals on standard outlets. you can just strip and PUSH the wire thru a hole in the back, and it STAYS! the only problem is, IDIOTS think the job is done, while everyone else knows to tighten the dam screws to clamp it INTERNALLY, after sticking it thru the hole,. So, as a result, you get a conductive path, sure, but it's only a dozen circular mils or so, and rapidly overheats. AND THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT CAN GO WRONG. Prior to this, you had to juggle to hold the wire while tightening it up. Big fucking deal.
we did a car park with this system last weekend , the weekend before ?? anyway yes the other contractors had surveyed three weekends for a small commercial underground car park and we did it in one weekend with plenty of time for pub each day we were carful to use manual screwdrivers and not power tools , clean tidy very little fuss and we got five chargers up and running , we are rolling this system out with our clients across the city and use this install as our demonstration of how quick and neat it is
Usually tapping into a wire causes a bit of a damage to the wire. That damage reduces the electrical cross-sectional area, which in turn reduces the wire's ability to carry current. I am also a bit worried about the connection, will it always tighten properly.
What are the metal cable clips securing the flat cable to the wall. They are not shown on wieland’s website and the Wieland ones are plastic which doesn’t seem great from a fire perspective?
I'm a commercial electrician in the US and almost exclusively run electrical circuits in metal conduit, fyi. We Electrical Metallic Tubing, which is thinner and not threaded but uses connectors. We also use thicker threaded conduit, which we call "rigid conduit". We could never use the system you highlight here, because we are required to use EMT in parking garages and rigid conduit where they are exposed to vehicle traffic or other physical damage.
This, Everything has its specific application due to safety codes (which are highly tested by multiple agencies (CSA, UL, EL being the largest), if its not meant for the application its not used, but if the code requires it for the application requiring completion, it will be used. I dont understand why electricians from the UK (and some other area's of Europe) are so dense when it comes to the north american system and codes.
@@JSLEnterprises Yeah, exactly. My dad was involved (as an EE/PE) in writing some of the electrical code, and there were usually reasons backed up by experience paid for in blood, tears, and money. Usually better to ask someone why they do something a certain way rather than just make fun of them. Sometimes you even learn things as a result!
@@JSLEnterprises Mainly because it's a very restrictive system ... 'must be listed for the purpose'. You can't say, drill a new knockout unless the manuf has specifically had it listed for that purpose and so on... it's not being 'dense' it's just a totally different mindset than most EU codes is all. I've worked stateside, and yep, the NEC is fairly simple when you're used to it.
@@Ughmahedhurtz Indeed, never make fun of another country's code unless it's deserved (residential grade outlets still coming with 'backstab' connections when they've been long known to cause fires for example is a mindf*ck) . But i am the weird type of EU electrician who thinks wirenuts are perfectly ok for their listed purpose LOL
In algeria we have a Locally made thibg that also piece the Cables to make contact with the wires U just have to place it where u want and then tighten the bolts Its rated for a lot of power delivery (240VCountry)
I was going to say, this cable looks so familiar. Then I remembered my years of setting up cubicles. They had these inside like you said. Also Wagos cost $1 a piece at my local Home Depot as where wire nuts are $5 for a pack of 30. If Wago connectors come down in price, ill start using them.
I see one big issue. Cable is 3 phase, and single phase vehicles use only L1 to charge. If you want to keep your system balanced, you would need to rotate the phases for each charger
@@efixx Is there any solution where there are may networked chargers and they do measure load on each phase, try to balance the system as much as possible and make sure no phase is overloaded (63A limit)? And also balance the charging speed on each charging point by varying CP duty cycle. Some vehicles have single phase only, like Nissan Leaf. Some vehicles, like ID3 40kWh have 2 phase input, so they can do 32A single phase or 2x16A. And some cars can do 1 phase 32A or 3 phase 16A. Or in case of my Zoe, 1 phase up to 32A 7kW or 3 phase up to 63A 43kW.
Seems Cool but i have concerns about adding points after the fact.. it appears there is slack required to slide the base behind the cable.. if you have already installed every thing and then go back to add one you may find the cable has no slack.. so fantastic solution but not for retrospective additions.
This would be a cool system to use in properties and would save a lot of time with rewiring to add extensions or modifying electrical outlet placement.
Can we speak about Meter and breaker panels crammed under stairs or in a little Cupboards, connected with individual wires on a wooden boars vs Combined metering and Fuse Boxes we have in germany? The smallest ones allowed in new installation are 900mm by 600mm
Our housing stock was not smashed to pieces in quite the same way as it was in Germany in WWII. I am quite sure if you go into an old property in Germany it is not the same as a brand new one. Oh and because we use ring mains which require less copper in the first place we don't need as many circuits so a 900x600mm board would be completely ridiculous for the vast majority of domestic properties in the UK. Meters are separate because we like to have them outside so traditionally they can be read even if nobody is at home, and they are different areas of responsibility.
I understand why UK requires metal cabinets. Since they place them absolutely everywhere; wardrobes, under stairs, where ever it fits, there's often lots of flammable material close by. In the developed part of the world we often put the cabinets in thought out, well ventilated and accessible areas.
Harks back to the old festoon lighting system where the bayonet cap light socket screwed onto and into the rubber cable piercing it with the same 'vampire' contacts
seems super cool but my worry is always about the proprietress of these systems. Because if i or some contractor needs one of those special patches and Wieland says "alright, that will be $80 please" then the whole system becomes even more painful then just paying someone for an extra hour of their time.
With flat cables it makes it possible to easy tap into it because you know where the neutral, earth and phases are. So, if you want to steal power you can easy do that with a nail och wood screw. People will do anything for free power.
Speaking as a Norwegian electric car owner, this setup only makes sense at home. We have charging stations at pretty much all shopping centers and it's only the 50kw and above that ever gets used. The 22kw and below are not used as there's simply no point in the timespan you expect to be in a mall. At home though it's a different story. You venture out and head home to the same place on routine and seldom, for most people, travel far. This system is for housing or commercial buildings wanting to offer charging to their tenants/employees. For any other use case i see no point in this low amperage and the use of the charging stations all over the place around Norway would suggest the same. Drive by any 22, 7,4 or 1,3kw station and they'll be empty. Technology has surpassed their need. It's worth mentioning that 90% (i got that number out my ass) charge at home here and only use charging stations as a way to get some where. Even the big charging stations are mostly empty unless they're on the way to somewhere or it's weekend and people are out and about. And last example. Most hotels have charging stations, but they're rarely ever used because it's so slow. It's much easier to just take 10 min break at a 400kw station on the road and get topped up.
Brilliant watching, and interesting negative/positive (no pun intended) feedback comments. Something to defo think about. The possible 'theft aspect' is easily avoided in controlled non public zones such as employee parking areas etc. Overall the product is a superb step forward to 'get on with the job' of getting at least some form infrastructure built at an more acceptable cost.
Sadly never got to try this cable. We've stopped fitting EV points in carparks of flats and office blocks due to fire safety measures required by insurance companies and local building control. Hopefully there becomes an industry wide standard to actually get the ball rolling again because since Luton Air Port there's a big push for sprinkler and extraction systems to protect occupants and the structure in our local area. Not sure if anyone else has come up against this.
A solution needs to be found. In the long run all car parks will have to be able to safely accommodate EVs. I can appreciate extra caution for car parks in the basement of residential buildings where people may be sleeping. Office blocks not so much. Evacuating those in an emergency shouldn't be too hard.
The system components look like to be well built, but that piercing connection just looks wrong, wont they create resistance and hot spots along the wire ? How will they last long term corrosion ? That being said, for this application the best solution would be the classic rigid PVC VD tube and junction boxes to connect the charging terminals.
Yes, please let's not. I know some countries still use ring circuits, but there are many good reasons why you should not. One of the reasons being it's against code in many countries.
@@patrickd9551 other reasons include greater risk of multiple-short fires, backfeed, increased time to localize problems.... its not a good system, and is the modern equivalent of "ring and knob" wiring systems from the early 20th century.
I do not see a convenient way to do 90s to go vertical. I wonder if there is a box that can be used to bend the cable to prevent breaking out for multiple turns and curves that you may get with previous infrastructure.
Wevo's EV charging management system supports cascading multiple chargers onto a single electric cable. They manage the available current dynamically between units so that connected cars can be charged simultaneously. It's also a scalable system for larger carparks.
So I put my radial cts in my house by running T&E behind a modified skirting, on the first floor using wago boxes, the wago boxes supplied a socket on first floor and ground floor. So like a tree, one cct to the rear of the house and one to the front. Now if they came up with a 3 core version, you could tap off around the house. It would be great. Continuity of the cpc would be good too.
If it's any consolation, US electricians usually also struggle to understand that EVSEs are protected against overcurrent and contain GFCIs/RCDs. Though I would guess that the overcurrent protection is not good enough for UK standards on most units (resetting requires toggling power to the unit).
That was interesting even to me. I work on low voltage micro electronics. Did i miss a part about fire fire rating of the Weiland flat multicore? IK09 is only impact rating.
i think two layer insulation is often enough. cable directly on the wall. the setup there could be damaged but how often do you, eh? here it's also permitted to clip cable to the wall. everywhere. since why not
Brown-Blue-Ground-Black-Gray? We do Brown-Black-Grey-Blue-Ground here 😊 (or at least FIRST the 3 fazes and then the neuter and ground). Is it also wired that way on say a 10kV/250kVA grid transformator in that order? Or on a 3-faze device/socket?
Most chargers designed for shared spaces like car parks have lots of connectivity options - WiFi + Mesh or Powerline communication. See Zaptec Pro or Garo Entity mentioned in the video
"Thicknet" networking had these decades ago, they were referred to as vampire taps. They were an absolute sod! Especially if you ever needed to move the connector.
Sure looks like a nice system, knowing New Zealand standards it will take years before we see that here unfortunately. Hopefully Im wrong. I would personally like to see some sort of metal trucking over the outside, at least as an option. I'm only talking a 20 gauge galvanized steel channel screwed to the wall over the cable.
It’s not unusual for using EMT TUBING in the states. What gets me is that the consumer units as called in the UK are made of plastic, what is the flammability rating of the plastic used in the housing? In the states it’s code to use metallic breaker panels in many states but there are some exceptions where plastic is used but it must meet certain fire code standards for flammability and temperature. Many parking garages now prohibit the parking of electrical vehicles within their structures, even in residential situations many insurance companies are cancelling homeowners insurance if they know you have an EV and have a garage. I would find this system quite useful for use in a transmitter facility allowing tapping into the main bussbar and feeding it off into separate "subscriber unit" equipped with appropriate circuit breakers and a kilowatt hour meter for independent billing of power used by each companies transmitter or repeater system.
EMT is not the same as our conduit I don't believe. Yea DB's were specced as metal originally, then they swapped to plastic, and now we're back to metal!
Can’t speak for Europe or the uk but here in Australia most domestic installations and some commercial use plastic boards (pretty much every board without a busbar) They’re fire rated for 2 hours minimum.
@@sniperfi4532 that’s good news that they have a two hour rating! I have an unusual breaker panel made by Square D electric. It is in one of the mobile connex shelters used by the US military to setup a command center. It is one large panel that has three systems in one metallic box. These shelters were powered by three phase 60 Hz diesel generators as well as by 400Hz 3phase Gen sets. The 60 system was used to power lighting and the ECU Heat pump (45,000 BTUs) while the 400 system was for powering special 3Ø 28vdc power supply for radio equipment. The right side of the panel box houses the 60 Hz while the left lower is for 400 Hz AC in while the top left is for 28 volt DC distribution. Now these panels are not legal for residential, commercial or industrial use. Only for military use. One must observe care when all three systems are energized if you need to work on a live panel or you will receive a Darwin Award.
@@UnimportantAcc In the US we have multiple types of conduit availible. EMT is commonly used for lighter duty commercial installations, where impacts are not expected to be a concern, such as above drop ceilings or inside walls in commercial buildings and some residential buildings. For industrial settings and outdoor Rigid metallic conduit is more common. The metal is thicker and this is the conduit type that has to be threaded. Rigid is not commonly used outside of these situations because it is more expensive and its also more time consuming than other forms of conduit to install. For corrosive environments there is rubber coated Rigid, also called robroy, which has a layer of rubber over the metal to keep it from being eaten up by acids and the like. There is also PCV conduit, basically a kind of plastic, in both schedule 40 and schedule 80. Generally used where impact is not a concern but corrosion is. this makes PVC ideal for burial situations since it will easily last a 100+ years.
@@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818 Sounds like our conduit is the same as your Rigid then! Usually galvanised steel - But in corrosive environments we use stainless steel instead. No rubber coating PVC conduit is also used in places where impact resistance is not a concern - but it can look quite unsightly so I've often seen galv steel spec'd in cases where price is not a concern. Only one type of PVC conduit is sold over here - very much light duty in comparison to the metal.
System looks nice, but whats keeping me from tapping into that for free electricity. And also its like 2 cars at 11kw each to charge for a single installation of those 16mm2 cables. Like you'd need quite the wire gauge to make it usefull for charging alot of vehicles at once
I do like the idea ofnthis new system but I also think electric theft could also be easily achieved with it. I currently trade as a carpenter but I want to get into commercial electrics, does anyone knownthe best way of going about it?
I liked the fact that since earth is in the centre in the worst case scenario of somehow fitting it the wrong way, the earth connection will never be connected to live.
at 16mm2? I think continuously it allows for about 40amps, which means about 9 kW per Phase ... so I think it's more like 1 22kW charger, 2 11kW charger, or about 10 chargers that give you 2-3 kW
@@hammer082 They said in the video it's rated for 63A. 22kW chargers need 32A so near enough 2. Maybe it's higher than you expect because it's designed to be surface mounted not installed inside a wall. It seems like a good system that will allow a lot of chargers so be connected quickly, but it seems too low a current rating to adequately service that many chargers. More metal would increase the cost of course. Everything is a compromise.
@@efixx Assuming this is 3-phase, 63A x 230V x 1.732 (√3 - for 3 phase) is only 25kW. I'm not sure how you get 43kW. A typical slow home charger in the USA is 11.5kW, which delivers only about 25-30 miles of charge per hour of charging. You could get just over 2 per cable here. Anything too much slower than that isn't worth much if you are only going to use it for an hour or two.
Metal conduit is not a "weird thing", its common in industrial installations where armor is required, as well as MC cabling, as its already in its own 'conduit' if you will. It's all dependent on applicaiton. Wire nuts are not "American", they are a Canadian invention out of Montreal, which is why their actual name are "Morrets", funnily enough, thats the original name of the manufacturer (kinda like when you think tissues, you call them Kleenex instead of 'tissues'. I also dont understand why UK electricians talk bs about the North American System, We also use 240V, however, we only use it for large drain systems, most of the items and appliances are happy with 120V instead of Leg to Leg (240) and only go to the Neuteral (mid way between the two transformer side). We also have 3 lug 208V as well. In addition, We dont use the Ring bus for a reason, we perfer home runs that are tapped in parrallel with a max of 12 recepticles (2 per outlet) on 14/2 gauge or 16x on 12/2 gauge (thats the code in my area). It provides greater control of draw and separation of circuits than a full bus system; and also makes it easier to localize and fix.
I don't quite get the point, as metal pipes as you show at the beginning are much safer in case of fire. Only metal pipes are used on ships, and with the increased risk of fire when the EV cars charge, I would strongly recommend that metal pipes continue to be used, not least in underground garages. Although the flat cable works and connections seem smart and fast, they will also melt faster in the event of a fire.
What's the best electrical standard in world? Who has the least number of electrical fires maybe a good metric. AS/NZS3000 is pretty sound and sensible. One difference between the two countries is in NZ average Joe can change a power point or light fitting without wearing the wrath of union dominated nanny state here in Australia.
Concern I have with these sorts of things is, while yes they make installation a breeze it does present a problem if it's so easy to install what's the need of having a team of electricians to fit it have one electrician with a team of so called sparkies mates doing all the work seems to be a way of bringing in cheaper labour I'm my opinion. However it's still cool nonetheless.
Having installed automotive trailer wiring for maybe 50 years now, I tended to agree. But I think the stiff flat cable should provide a spongy pressure of the wiring on both sides of the screw, preventing the frequently burnt connections on trailer wire crimp nuts.
seems like the "innovation" is just allowing a radial/bus rather than special connector. standard electrical boxes like those shown on the terminator off this bus. could be used to make each connection
I remember Cam lock for fiber termination, they went back to a mechanical splice to decrease time . Installation is not the time to be cheap and fast , quality takes time , your choice , building under time constraints is never good
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Drive around Toronto where car theft has been a huge problem, every week I see at least one garage burned down. There is no way we should be charging mass amounts of EV indoors. This is going to be a huge problem for ev.
Let's be real here Wire nuts are unreasonably effective for connecting 2-4 solid conductors (of the size that we typically use in america) in an enclosure that doesn't need more than two wire nuts... It squeezes them together almost as well as a crimp and won't let go They're also entirely unreasonable for connecting more than 4 wires, more than two connections, anything other than solid conductors, any reasonably large conductors, small conductors, wires that are slightly bent, wires that are short, wires that are in awkward places, wires of moderatley varying sizes, wires that you connect when you're tired, wires when you're wired, and also everything else 🤣🤣🤣 The UK would do well though to approve use of the corrugated type of armored cable that we use here in NYC. It's pretty tough, and easy enough to work with!
@@efixx just don't take a look at any of the *other* wiring in NYC here. Half the old buildings are wired by people who shouldn't ever be allowed to touch a wire in their life. Shared neutrals, breaker panels that are so unreliable at breaking circuits that they should be called firestarter panels, unused conductors connected as grounds, panels with loose screws dangling, wires burnt from being illegally double tapped under receptacle screws, receptacles wired backwards, receptacles with paint on the line contacts, circuits without RCD installed right over sinks, etc... and that's *just* what I found in *my* apartment. It's not a coincidence there are so many electrical fires over here 🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️
@@Ariccio123 old buildings anywhere in the world often have sketchy wiring. No ones electrical practices where as refined 50+ years ago as they are now.
We use this cable since two years in switzeland But i dont like the connectors its not large inuff for 16mm2 plus torx 15 its for nothing I think theye most change the conection wires inside the connectors I made more thene 50 connectors I have some ideas if the company want contact me to share it
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Can this be used in a house for reg outlets
For EV cable management, get a chargehanger.
It’s a bit overkill for home use.
I am a self employed electrician from Germany. We installed 95 meters of Podis 5 x 25mm² last month. Nice system.
Great Feedback - If you have any photographs and want a shout out in a future video let us know.
Well we're far from even install a few meters 😕
@@efixx How many charges you can install in-line?
Ist das System VDE zugelassen in Deutschland?
The old Vampire Tap from old 10Base5 ethernet Installations has made its comeback
🧛🏼♂️ Särrr gutt.
Ah yes, the fun of tapping a live network! Still got the boring tool somewhere :)
AUI! (Drop cables)
@@pebbleschan6085 AUI fanout unit yay
Or Christmas lights, probably going even further back.
@@concinnus yes, the old festoon lights had self piercing connectors on flat cable, used as far back as the 1930s for sign 'trough' lights but with those holders you had to strip the outer sheathing and route the wires into the channels with the spikes in
I live in the US and installed my car charger DIY. It was a 30 meter run from the main panel to the garage. 15 meters ran underground through a previously installed 2 inch/5 cm buried plastic conduit. I ran 3/4 inch/18 (+/-) mm thin wall conduit from the main panel to the existing conduit. Code required a GFI breaker (which I would have installed anyway), #8 for power and #10 for ground. I don't know why ground is required in metal conduit, but the code is written in blood, not ink, so I follow it in letter and spirit. My number one rule for DIY is: materials are free compared to the labor costs saved. Respect yourself. Use the best and go big. Electricity is for life.
I'm glad someone is talking about how EV charging actually works. Few people will be doing a flat to full charge daily. Not many people stop at the petrol station and put in a full tank every day so why would it be any different with an EV? Even if the EV has a small battery and does require full charging, that is offset by the low capacity of the battery.
What we really need is a coordinated system, a common (universal) protocol for the network and charging equipment/EV to talk to each other to work out what to do and when to do it. EV owner merely says I'd like X percent charge by such n such time and let the system work it all out. If more capacity is available, the system decides to bring the EV up to a higher SOC than requested, so tomorrow night this EV might not get any charge at all allowing the power to go into a EV that needs it.
Many options for this already: Mennekes, KEBA KeContact, Hager witty, Schneider EVlink/EcoStruxure, …
@@maxking3 Not a global system, is it? All has its many and varied means. Slap a KEBA and a Hager Witty on a common supply and can they co-ordinate with the network to ensure say the area supply transformer is not overloaded?
@@retrozmachine1189 Yep, should work. Both based on OCPP 2.0 / ISO15118.
(… which is an open, global standard, only ignored by our cousins across the pond!)
@@retrozmachine1189 Yep, should work. Both based on OCPP 2.0 / ISO15118.
(.. which is an open, global standard, only ignored by our cousins across the pond!)
@@retrozmachine1189 Yep, should work. Both based on OCPP 2.0 / ISO15118.
They have literally thought of everything! Very nice
I am British and long used British systems. I now also live in France where I have extensively used their system. Let's keep it simple, the current UK system is inferior and out of date. Highlights of the French system over the UK system: Socket and switch in-wall boxes are round not square - cut with a circular tank cutter in a few mins, light and power cable is marked every metre on the jacket and is colour coded (1.5v2.5), connections to sockets and switches are all push fit with a push button to release, the big benefit is dual pole switching and isolation for all breakers in the consumer unit. The UK system is truly stuck in 1950.
The way you explain things is so perfect. Resonates with me 100%. Thanks for the vid
I can’t believe the industry hasn’t seen more modular systems being used. It’s like a vehicle manufacturer custom making all the connections in a vehicle while being made. It’s in efficient.
This type of system shouldn’t be limited to car charging systems.
these kinds of cables and connections are used in garten or outside systems like lighting.... even in the house for things like kitchen appliances.
It's also used for baggage handling conveyor systems e.g. Heathrow T5 - 18 km is used to supply power to the electric motors.
@@alanmay7929 which is odd, because the only vampire tap systems that are approved by ESA are low voltage garden lighting taps for obvious reasons (hv oxidation from elements and increased resistance = failure and fire)
In the US, rigid conduit and junction boxes already accomplish this pretty well for decades in commercial. It's pretty easy to saw out a section of rigid, add a 4" square or J-box, set screw the conduits to the box, make your splice, and go off whatever other direction you want with the conduit. Assuming you have room on the branch. No threading, easy to get through, and more than strong enough.
Alternatively if appearances or strength aren't needed, flex conduit is easy as hell to work with comparatively.
But I have thought about it. A lot of cubicle furniture is just built with a system that looks very similar to this of "belts" of wires, though they have locking connectors on both ends to continue the run or connect to an outlet.
I have seen far too many pierce type connections like this fail. The RV industry in the US uses a two piece electrical outlet that works in almost exactly the same manner. The Romex cable is laid in the outlet and the cover is sandwiched on. Blades (think of a pair of scissors opened up) pierce the conductors to make the connection. They have a very high failure rate long-term
It's true that the stranded wire is much much more reliable than a solid-conductor Romex... and Romex is not tinned but just bare copper which makes for worse corrosion possibilities... but yes, even so the whole idea of vampire taps gives me the willies.
Though the Posi-Tap is a nice system, if you don't have the time for military splicing....
another problem with tap in systems like this is that plastic can deform easily when heated, and after some time the tap in point could have a loose connection, which could soon start a fire
Don't compare anything designed for the US RV business to ordinary domestic products.
RV means the cheeziest lightweight piece of shit possible.
They tried the same shit in the US with the push-in terminals on standard outlets. you can just strip and PUSH the wire thru a hole in the back, and it STAYS!
the only problem is, IDIOTS think the job is done, while everyone else knows to tighten the dam screws to clamp it INTERNALLY, after sticking it thru the hole,.
So, as a result, you get a conductive path, sure, but it's only a dozen circular mils or so, and rapidly overheats. AND THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT CAN GO WRONG.
Prior to this, you had to juggle to hold the wire while tightening it up. Big fucking deal.
we did a car park with this system last weekend , the weekend before ?? anyway yes the other contractors had surveyed three weekends for a small commercial underground car park and we did it in one weekend with plenty of time for pub each day we were carful to use manual screwdrivers and not power tools , clean tidy very little fuss and we got five chargers up and running , we are rolling this system out with our clients across the city and use this install as our demonstration of how quick and neat it is
When Edison first wired buildings, the gas lines were used as conduit for the wires. Gas lines and water lines use the same threads.
7:35 "Load Management" = win!
NICE!
Usually tapping into a wire causes a bit of a damage to the wire. That damage reduces the electrical cross-sectional area, which in turn reduces the wire's ability to carry current. I am also a bit worried about the connection, will it always tighten properly.
What are the metal cable clips securing the flat cable to the wall. They are not shown on wieland’s website and the Wieland ones are plastic which doesn’t seem great from a fire perspective?
I'm a commercial electrician in the US and almost exclusively run electrical circuits in metal conduit, fyi. We Electrical Metallic Tubing, which is thinner and not threaded but uses connectors. We also use thicker threaded conduit, which we call "rigid conduit". We could never use the system you highlight here, because we are required to use EMT in parking garages and rigid conduit where they are exposed to vehicle traffic or other physical damage.
This, Everything has its specific application due to safety codes (which are highly tested by multiple agencies (CSA, UL, EL being the largest), if its not meant for the application its not used, but if the code requires it for the application requiring completion, it will be used.
I dont understand why electricians from the UK (and some other area's of Europe) are so dense when it comes to the north american system and codes.
@@JSLEnterprises Yeah, exactly. My dad was involved (as an EE/PE) in writing some of the electrical code, and there were usually reasons backed up by experience paid for in blood, tears, and money. Usually better to ask someone why they do something a certain way rather than just make fun of them. Sometimes you even learn things as a result!
I'm pretty sure the ignorant jabs at North American electrical are just engagement bait. eFIXX has been around long enough to know better.
@@JSLEnterprises Mainly because it's a very restrictive system ... 'must be listed for the purpose'. You can't say, drill a new knockout unless the manuf has specifically had it listed for that purpose and so on... it's not being 'dense' it's just a totally different mindset than most EU codes is all. I've worked stateside, and yep, the NEC is fairly simple when you're used to it.
@@Ughmahedhurtz Indeed, never make fun of another country's code unless it's deserved (residential grade outlets still coming with 'backstab' connections when they've been long known to cause fires for example is a mindf*ck) . But i am the weird type of EU electrician who thinks wirenuts are perfectly ok for their listed purpose LOL
This bus bar style wiring is the standard for lighting system in domestic homes in Australia now.
In algeria we have a Locally made thibg that also piece the Cables to make contact with the wires
U just have to place it where u want and then tighten the bolts
Its rated for a lot of power delivery (240VCountry)
I was going to say, this cable looks so familiar. Then I remembered my years of setting up cubicles. They had these inside like you said.
Also Wagos cost $1 a piece at my local Home Depot as where wire nuts are $5 for a pack of 30. If Wago connectors come down in price, ill start using them.
I love how the Podis system looks and want it for my in-room electric systema. BRB (best regards encapment regulation) from balazs
That's a great solution to get a flexible system.
Is that also flexible to get the right phase linked? Take it does that?
Great video eFIXX
I see one big issue.
Cable is 3 phase, and single phase vehicles use only L1 to charge. If you want to keep your system balanced, you would need to rotate the phases for each charger
You can deal with this at each tap off - or select a charger such as the Zaptec Pro which handle this automatically
@@efixx Is there any solution where there are may networked chargers and they do measure load on each phase, try to balance the system as much as possible and make sure no phase is overloaded (63A limit)? And also balance the charging speed on each charging point by varying CP duty cycle.
Some vehicles have single phase only, like Nissan Leaf.
Some vehicles, like ID3 40kWh have 2 phase input, so they can do 32A single phase or 2x16A.
And some cars can do 1 phase 32A or 3 phase 16A.
Or in case of my Zoe, 1 phase up to 32A 7kW or 3 phase up to 63A 43kW.
Interesting concept. How are they for corrosion resistance at the connections?
Seems Cool but i have concerns about adding points after the fact.. it appears there is slack required to slide the base behind the cable.. if you have already installed every thing and then go back to add one you may find the cable has no slack.. so fantastic solution but not for retrospective additions.
This would be a cool system to use in properties and would save a lot of time with rewiring to add extensions or modifying electrical outlet placement.
Fantastic video Gordon. Thanks to everyone at eFIXX too 👏👏👍
Thanks as always for the support and the great comment
looks great , how does the cables bend or flex to get round obstacles?
The cable has a 57.5mm bending radius.
Can we speak about Meter and breaker panels crammed under stairs or in a little Cupboards, connected with individual wires on a wooden boars vs Combined metering and Fuse Boxes we have in germany? The smallest ones allowed in new installation are 900mm by 600mm
Our housing stock was not smashed to pieces in quite the same way as it was in Germany in WWII. I am quite sure if you go into an old property in Germany it is not the same as a brand new one. Oh and because we use ring mains which require less copper in the first place we don't need as many circuits so a 900x600mm board would be completely ridiculous for the vast majority of domestic properties in the UK. Meters are separate because we like to have them outside so traditionally they can be read even if nobody is at home, and they are different areas of responsibility.
I understand why UK requires metal cabinets. Since they place them absolutely everywhere; wardrobes, under stairs, where ever it fits, there's often lots of flammable material close by. In the developed part of the world we often put the cabinets in thought out, well ventilated and accessible areas.
Can you put a OCCP controller at the line end of the circuit? So it communicates to the chargers?
I've specc'ed this for my new build home.
Harks back to the old festoon lighting system where the bayonet cap light socket screwed onto and into the rubber cable piercing it with the same 'vampire' contacts
seems super cool but my worry is always about the proprietress of these systems. Because if i or some contractor needs one of those special patches and Wieland says "alright, that will be $80 please" then the whole system becomes even more painful then just paying someone for an extra hour of their time.
1:53 engineered to endure for decades those zip ties are you say?
With flat cables it makes it possible to easy tap into it because you know where the neutral, earth and phases are. So, if you want to steal power you can easy do that with a nail och wood screw. People will do anything for free power.
Speaking as a Norwegian electric car owner, this setup only makes sense at home. We have charging stations at pretty much all shopping centers and it's only the 50kw and above that ever gets used. The 22kw and below are not used as there's simply no point in the timespan you expect to be in a mall. At home though it's a different story. You venture out and head home to the same place on routine and seldom, for most people, travel far. This system is for housing or commercial buildings wanting to offer charging to their tenants/employees. For any other use case i see no point in this low amperage and the use of the charging stations all over the place around Norway would suggest the same. Drive by any 22, 7,4 or 1,3kw station and they'll be empty. Technology has surpassed their need. It's worth mentioning that 90% (i got that number out my ass) charge at home here and only use charging stations as a way to get some where. Even the big charging stations are mostly empty unless they're on the way to somewhere or it's weekend and people are out and about. And last example. Most hotels have charging stations, but they're rarely ever used because it's so slow. It's much easier to just take 10 min break at a 400kw station on the road and get topped up.
Brilliant watching, and interesting negative/positive (no pun intended) feedback comments. Something to defo think about. The possible 'theft aspect' is easily avoided in controlled non public zones such as employee parking areas etc. Overall the product is a superb step forward to 'get on with the job' of getting at least some form infrastructure built at an more acceptable cost.
EV charching with balancing shouldn't be problem at 99% of cases. You don't need to fill every car in every spot in 6h from 0% to 100%.
I don't care about installation speed. I do care about safety. Wire wrapped around or clamped by screws has served us well for a very long time.
Vampire taps used in large coaxial cabels in the US
Sadly never got to try this cable. We've stopped fitting EV points in carparks of flats and office blocks due to fire safety measures required by insurance companies and local building control.
Hopefully there becomes an industry wide standard to actually get the ball rolling again because since Luton Air Port there's a big push for sprinkler and extraction systems to protect occupants and the structure in our local area. Not sure if anyone else has come up against this.
Interesting 🤨
A solution needs to be found. In the long run all car parks will have to be able to safely accommodate EVs. I can appreciate extra caution for car parks in the basement of residential buildings where people may be sleeping. Office blocks not so much. Evacuating those in an emergency shouldn't be too hard.
The system components look like to be well built, but that piercing connection just looks wrong, wont they create resistance and hot spots along the wire ?
How will they last long term corrosion ?
That being said, for this application the best solution would be the classic rigid PVC VD tube and junction boxes to connect the charging terminals.
Upgrade the current rating by wiring in a ring. 😉
Yes, please let's not. I know some countries still use ring circuits, but there are many good reasons why you should not. One of the reasons being it's against code in many countries.
@@patrickd9551 other reasons include greater risk of multiple-short fires, backfeed, increased time to localize problems.... its not a good system, and is the modern equivalent of "ring and knob" wiring systems from the early 20th century.
That looks wonderful to work with.
I do not see a convenient way to do 90s to go vertical. I wonder if there is a box that can be used to bend the cable to prevent breaking out for multiple turns and curves that you may get with previous infrastructure.
great video. i noticed the Wevo platform was mentioned when using chargers without load management... whats their role?
Wevo's EV charging management system supports cascading multiple chargers onto a single electric cable. They manage the available current dynamically between units so that connected cars can be charged simultaneously. It's also a scalable system for larger carparks.
Hello, Thank you for the video and information. Sincerely, Antonio❤
1:54 - not sure SWA attached to conduit by plastic zip ties is an example of good practice
How do you fuse the outlet’s?
There is a tap-off box that has the facility to accept circuit breakers / RCBO's
So I put my radial cts in my house by running T&E behind a modified skirting, on the first floor using wago boxes, the wago boxes supplied a socket on first floor and ground floor. So like a tree, one cct to the rear of the house and one to the front. Now if they came up with a 3 core version, you could tap off around the house. It would be great. Continuity of the cpc would be good too.
I like your uk standards mostly.
If it's any consolation, US electricians usually also struggle to understand that EVSEs are protected against overcurrent and contain GFCIs/RCDs. Though I would guess that the overcurrent protection is not good enough for UK standards on most units (resetting requires toggling power to the unit).
That was interesting even to me. I work on low voltage micro electronics. Did i miss a part about fire fire rating of the Weiland flat multicore? IK09 is only impact rating.
The cable is low smoke zero halogen - LSHF 5G16; 0,6/1kV; CPR class B2ca-s1a-d1-a1; halogen-free; flame retardant
i think two layer insulation is often enough. cable directly on the wall. the setup there could be damaged but how often do you, eh?
here it's also permitted to clip cable to the wall. everywhere. since why not
Brown-Blue-Ground-Black-Gray? We do Brown-Black-Grey-Blue-Ground here 😊 (or at least FIRST the 3 fazes and then the neuter and ground). Is it also wired that way on say a 10kV/250kVA grid transformator in that order? Or on a 3-faze device/socket?
Great idea but what about chargers which require the use of a cat 5 or 2 core for load management and internet connection
Most chargers designed for shared spaces like car parks have lots of connectivity options - WiFi + Mesh or Powerline communication. See Zaptec Pro or Garo Entity mentioned in the video
I don't know if this would be allowed in Canada
Very fine System, very efficient when the strucure of delocalized switchboards is well Planed! Big reduction in manual work!
lot of thought gone into that system
What is the current carrying capacity of the busbar cable?
63A
@@markredfern1715 Thanks. Is it on 3 phase circuit?
Yes - three phase
I remember seeing simmilar thing in old houses, a black rubber band carrying 3 copper wires without any coloring...
"Thicknet" networking had these decades ago, they were referred to as vampire taps. They were an absolute sod! Especially if you ever needed to move the connector.
I'm not sure how I ended up here, but I still found this interesting (not an electrician at all).
Thanks for watching and the comment 👍🏻
I prefer the Schneider Electric Canalis system, we use them extensively in industries.
Sure looks like a nice system, knowing New Zealand standards it will take years before we see that here unfortunately. Hopefully Im wrong. I would personally like to see some sort of metal trucking over the outside, at least as an option. I'm only talking a 20 gauge galvanized steel channel screwed to the wall over the cable.
It’s not unusual for using EMT TUBING in the states. What gets me is that the consumer units as called in the UK are made of plastic, what is the flammability rating of the plastic used in the housing? In the states it’s code to use metallic breaker panels in many states but there are some exceptions where plastic is used but it must meet certain fire code standards for flammability and temperature.
Many parking garages now prohibit the parking of electrical vehicles within their structures, even in residential situations many insurance companies are cancelling homeowners insurance if they know you have an EV and have a garage.
I would find this system quite useful for use in a transmitter facility allowing tapping into the main bussbar and feeding it off into separate "subscriber unit" equipped with appropriate circuit breakers and a kilowatt hour meter for independent billing of power used by each companies transmitter or repeater system.
EMT is not the same as our conduit I don't believe. Yea DB's were specced as metal originally, then they swapped to plastic, and now we're back to metal!
Can’t speak for Europe or the uk but here in Australia most domestic installations and some commercial use plastic boards (pretty much every board without a busbar) They’re fire rated for 2 hours minimum.
@@sniperfi4532 that’s good news that they have a two hour rating! I have an unusual breaker panel made by Square D electric. It is in one of the mobile connex shelters used by the US military to setup a command center. It is one large panel that has three systems in one metallic box. These shelters were powered by three phase 60 Hz diesel generators as well as by 400Hz 3phase Gen sets. The 60 system was used to power lighting and the ECU Heat pump (45,000 BTUs) while the 400 system was for powering special 3Ø 28vdc power supply for radio equipment. The right side of the panel box houses the 60 Hz while the left lower is for 400 Hz AC in while the top left is for 28 volt DC distribution. Now these panels are not legal for residential, commercial or industrial use. Only for military use. One must observe care when all three systems are energized if you need to work on a live panel or you will receive a Darwin Award.
@@UnimportantAcc In the US we have multiple types of conduit availible.
EMT is commonly used for lighter duty commercial installations, where impacts are not expected to be a concern, such as above drop ceilings or inside walls in commercial buildings and some residential buildings.
For industrial settings and outdoor Rigid metallic conduit is more common. The metal is thicker and this is the conduit type that has to be threaded. Rigid is not commonly used outside of these situations because it is more expensive and its also more time consuming than other forms of conduit to install.
For corrosive environments there is rubber coated Rigid, also called robroy, which has a layer of rubber over the metal to keep it from being eaten up by acids and the like.
There is also PCV conduit, basically a kind of plastic, in both schedule 40 and schedule 80. Generally used where impact is not a concern but corrosion is. this makes PVC ideal for burial situations since it will easily last a 100+ years.
@@ryuukeisscifiproductions1818 Sounds like our conduit is the same as your Rigid then! Usually galvanised steel - But in corrosive environments we use stainless steel instead. No rubber coating
PVC conduit is also used in places where impact resistance is not a concern - but it can look quite unsightly so I've often seen galv steel spec'd in cases where price is not a concern. Only one type of PVC conduit is sold over here - very much light duty in comparison to the metal.
System looks nice, but whats keeping me from tapping into that for free electricity. And also its like 2 cars at 11kw each to charge for a single installation of those 16mm2 cables. Like you'd need quite the wire gauge to make it usefull for charging alot of vehicles at once
I do like the idea ofnthis new system but I also think electric theft could also be easily achieved with it.
I currently trade as a carpenter but I want to get into commercial electrics, does anyone knownthe best way of going about it?
How does it turn 90%/around corners?
I see an polarisation issue here. If the cable was tristed somewhere, you are screwing the block into the "back" of the cable.
the keying on the cable keeps things honest. there is no front or back
I liked the fact that since earth is in the centre in the worst case scenario of somehow fitting it the wrong way, the earth connection will never be connected to live.
The UAE rocks!
They seem to have electrics sorted!
Looks like a nice system
20 chargers running at a very slow rate or 2 22kW 3 phase chargers on full power.
at 16mm2? I think continuously it allows for about 40amps, which means about 9 kW per Phase ... so I think it's more like 1 22kW charger, 2 11kW charger, or about 10 chargers that give you 2-3 kW
@@hammer082 They said in the video it's rated for 63A. 22kW chargers need 32A so near enough 2. Maybe it's higher than you expect because it's designed to be surface mounted not installed inside a wall. It seems like a good system that will allow a lot of chargers so be connected quickly, but it seems too low a current rating to adequately service that many chargers. More metal would increase the cost of course. Everything is a compromise.
Do they offer this for standard Residencial installation? Like a 3 and 4 wire version for gfci and non gfci?
This is Europe where power is standardised at 230 / 400 volt 3 phase.
Just trying to understand, the entire buss bar can only handle 63 Amps? My home charger uses 48A/240V, so that wouldn't even get 2 chargers.
This is 63A per phase at 230 - 43kW
@@efixx Assuming this is 3-phase, 63A x 230V x 1.732 (√3 - for 3 phase) is only 25kW. I'm not sure how you get 43kW. A typical slow home charger in the USA is 11.5kW, which delivers only about 25-30 miles of charge per hour of charging. You could get just over 2 per cable here. Anything too much slower than that isn't worth much if you are only going to use it for an hour or two.
Metal conduit is not a "weird thing", its common in industrial installations where armor is required, as well as MC cabling, as its already in its own 'conduit' if you will. It's all dependent on applicaiton.
Wire nuts are not "American", they are a Canadian invention out of Montreal, which is why their actual name are "Morrets", funnily enough, thats the original name of the manufacturer (kinda like when you think tissues, you call them Kleenex instead of 'tissues'.
I also dont understand why UK electricians talk bs about the North American System, We also use 240V, however, we only use it for large drain systems, most of the items and appliances are happy with 120V instead of Leg to Leg (240) and only go to the Neuteral (mid way between the two transformer side). We also have 3 lug 208V as well. In addition, We dont use the Ring bus for a reason, we perfer home runs that are tapped in parrallel with a max of 12 recepticles (2 per outlet) on 14/2 gauge or 16x on 12/2 gauge (thats the code in my area). It provides greater control of draw and separation of circuits than a full bus system; and also makes it easier to localize and fix.
I don't quite get the point, as metal pipes as you show at the beginning are much safer in case of fire. Only metal pipes are used on ships, and with the increased risk of fire when the EV cars charge, I would strongly recommend that metal pipes continue to be used, not least in underground garages. Although the flat cable works and connections seem smart and fast, they will also melt faster in the event of a fire.
This looks like future!
holy crap this is awsome!
Thanks 👍🏻
Isn't there another product almost identical that you reviewed years ago
I was thinking exactly the same thing!
If I am not mistaken, you can still see that cable in some videos.
Yes, you're thinking of this perhaps? th-cam.com/video/LLd3CbCadBk/w-d-xo.html
What's the best electrical standard in world? Who has the least number of electrical fires maybe a good metric. AS/NZS3000 is pretty sound and sensible. One difference between the two countries is in NZ average Joe can change a power point or light fitting without wearing the wrath of union dominated nanny state here in Australia.
Copper thief's dream system.
That is precisely my worry. They already nick the cables from DC charging stands and I think this would just as easily go walkies.
One screw driver is all you need, tork function if you want to be a pro about it
Concern I have with these sorts of things is, while yes they make installation a breeze it does present a problem if it's so easy to install what's the need of having a team of electricians to fit it have one electrician with a team of so called sparkies mates doing all the work seems to be a way of bringing in cheaper labour I'm my opinion. However it's still cool nonetheless.
Reminds me of and early coaxial ethernet system (I think Computerphile did a video o. Ut)
I'd feel unconfortable with those pierce connections at double digit amps for extended periods of time....
Having installed automotive trailer wiring for maybe 50 years now, I tended to agree. But I think the stiff flat cable should provide a spongy pressure of the wiring on both sides of the screw, preventing the frequently burnt connections on trailer wire crimp nuts.
Sorry but the AI generated image at 0:51 looks a little goofy.
@@CheMechanical It is very goofy with the stars of the American flag in the middle of it.
Why can't this be used to wire a house so that you can have outlets where ever you need at any time
seems like the "innovation" is just allowing a radial/bus rather than special connector.
standard electrical boxes like those shown on the terminator off this bus. could be used to make each connection
I remember Cam lock for fiber termination, they went back to a mechanical splice to decrease time . Installation is not the time to be cheap and fast , quality takes time , your choice , building under time constraints is never good
I thought that was a enlarged demo version of the unit!
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I’m bewildered on a daily basis but it’s not fault of the rigid conduit I’m installing. 😂 (US industrial electrical technician)
Drive around Toronto where car theft has been a huge problem, every week I see at least one garage burned down. There is no way we should be charging mass amounts of EV indoors. This is going to be a huge problem for ev.
I am with the UK, put everything in EMT.
Let's be real here
Wire nuts are unreasonably effective for connecting 2-4 solid conductors (of the size that we typically use in america) in an enclosure that doesn't need more than two wire nuts... It squeezes them together almost as well as a crimp and won't let go
They're also entirely unreasonable for connecting more than 4 wires, more than two connections, anything other than solid conductors, any reasonably large conductors, small conductors, wires that are slightly bent, wires that are short, wires that are in awkward places, wires of moderatley varying sizes, wires that you connect when you're tired, wires when you're wired, and also everything else 🤣🤣🤣
The UK would do well though to approve use of the corrugated type of armored cable that we use here in NYC. It's pretty tough, and easy enough to work with!
Thanks for info - we’ll have to pop over and take a look! 😄
@@efixx just don't take a look at any of the *other* wiring in NYC here. Half the old buildings are wired by people who shouldn't ever be allowed to touch a wire in their life. Shared neutrals, breaker panels that are so unreliable at breaking circuits that they should be called firestarter panels, unused conductors connected as grounds, panels with loose screws dangling, wires burnt from being illegally double tapped under receptacle screws, receptacles wired backwards, receptacles with paint on the line contacts, circuits without RCD installed right over sinks, etc... and that's *just* what I found in *my* apartment.
It's not a coincidence there are so many electrical fires over here 🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️
@@Ariccio123 old buildings anywhere in the world often have sketchy wiring. No ones electrical practices where as refined 50+ years ago as they are now.
That stuff would not last long in the large cities in the US, Thieves will have it off the wall and at the scrap yard in less than an hour.
4:12 How high are those outlets!
High enough so careless drivers can’t reverse into them.
@@alvina69including those with full height transits!
Nice people nice work
We use this cable since two years in switzeland
But i dont like the connectors its not large inuff for 16mm2 plus torx 15 its for nothing
I think theye most change the conection wires inside the connectors
I made more thene 50 connectors
I have some ideas if the company want contact me to share it