Jim Cornette on Working With The Skyscrapers
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- From Episode 107 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru!
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Mark Callaway, best known for his most iconic role as Texas Red...!
I thought it was the punisher? 🤔
@@dizzy1369 Master Of Pain
@@monarched master of pain was Sid with a mask, no 🤔
@@daimo_4750 Sid was Lord Humungous(sp?)
@@monarched Yes! I misremembered, thanks for clarifying bud.
Sid didn't even hardly sell his leg breaking. Just looked like he was inconvenienced
dat jump showed sids inteligence. ...very poor . lesson learned hard way
I saw Danny Spivey exiting his vehicle at the Coliseum-he was huge!!!
I’m sure mike “no sell” Blackwell remembers Spivey 😂😂😂
Oh, he does.
It would be great if someone could track Blackwell down (if he's even still around) and interview him.
@@zippymufo9765 hes probably getting stepped on by old ladies with tony atlas
Blackwell sure should them fellows how to sell a show
Speaking of the Midnight Express, cuz Jim mentioned them....I was a WWF guy back when they were around, so I never saw them in their day, but now that I go back and watch some of their old stuff on the Network....man, they were one hell of a tag team. Just damn good in the ring
Absolutely
Bobby Eaton is one of the best workers of all time.
The original Midnight Express were Randy Rose, Dennis Condrey, and Norvell Austin.
Corny is forgiving to Sid, proving he'll give a pass to an at best average worker, who just drips charisma.
Jim and brian, keep up the great work!!!👍
I went on the WWE Network and watched the match that Jim suggested to see if it was as bad as he said it was. Do not put that evil on us again Jim.
Im saving it for the right blunt 🤣
i think Dan Spivey kept getting work because of his size. Also, once he got that Waylon Mercy gimmick, he was able to make the look and promo work. Sid has always been my guilty pleasure just because he had that look and had the best squash matches in the business. And who doesn't want to be a 6'9" monster beating up jobbers? I only caught Sid when he became a Horseman. I saw one of those Worldwide late Saturday shows where they had a 6 man involving Barry, Arn and Sid. Fun match. Barry + Sid was beastly because you had two big guys.
Mercy the Buzzard
1988-1989 years being the worse in wcw/Nwa in terms of draws.But look at the talent pool at the time if anything I thought these to be the best years in wcw just because the talents.
Mark callous,steiners,road warriors,midnight express,doom,sting,lex luger,Bryan Pullman,great muta,Sid vicious,terry funk,ric Flair,arm anderson and list goes on and on talents in 88-89 and still can't draw.
That's because Jim Herd was a damn idiot and didn't know how to use talented wrestlers. He tried to run Ric Flair off the entire time he was running WCW. Shows how big of a moron he was.
I would always call Jim as a character witness 😂
Spivey was a beast...that is why he got a lot of bookings back in those days. Bookers were afraid of him because he’d turn it on for real in the ring - which he did several times. I think it was both a curse/blessing he was teamed up with Sid because at least that put a time limit on using Spivey. And when Calloway moved on to a more legendary career path, Spivey was - thankfully! - done.
Spivey was bland and looked like shit
Well, he wasn't quite done. He had a spot as Waylon Mercy in WWF in the early 90s
Spivey was also injured a lot without mentioning it I thought?
@@poopsyko ……Yeah I think Spivey began to have some mounting injuries for sure. He really was a high impact big guy overall. I heard Sid was a nightmare to work with as well - stabbing Arn Anderson!?!?!!!!
Sid was pretty easy to work with, when paired with an experienced worker who called spots for him. He'd do anything you told him.
Mark Calloway?? I haven't heard that name in YEARS! Isn't his fake brother a mayor or something now?
Anyway...REST In Peeeace!!
On what planet would a team called The Skyscrapers sell for two dwarves
Cornette is talking utter bullshit that John wasn't that much of a difference in Spivey when it comes to size
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Commander Cornelius Cornets,, your a beast 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 blame Vince McMahon
I agree with Jim. I couldn't understand why they kept trying to use Spivey in 88-89 (Varsity Club and Skyscrapers) but had Scott Hall who coincidentally use to team with Spivey in 84 as the American Starship tag team (Starship Eagle - Spivey and Starship Coyote - Hall) and they used Hall as a jobber for the top heels including Sid.
Corny @00:08 “Oh God, I wish I could fuggin’ forget it, those were some of the worst matches Midnite Express ever had!!!” 😂😂😂😂👌🏼
Feets don't fail me now!
Waylon Mercy was a brilliant gimmick. Cornette obviously just doesn't like Spivey personally.
He never gives anyone their due if he dislikes them personally no matter how talented or hard working they are- Kenny Omega, The Young Bucks, most of AEW in general, The Miz.
That’s cause everyone you mentioned can’t wrestle for shit. Omega got the happy hands. Miz is clumsy looking as fuck in the ring. The Young Bucks are just high spot artist, they aren’t wrestlers.
Spivey sucked.
@@michaelhunziker7287 In all his other gimmicks, I'll grant you he wasn't very great - Certainly not terribly memorable at all. But Waylon Mercy, at least, while not much to write home about in the ring - those promos were fucking awesome.
@@TheLokiBiz in ring work sucked but yeah gimick was awesome from him
Best looking most rotten tag team. Viscous and Mean Mark would have been good as Mark could have covered how horrible Sid was.
Sid wasn't that bad.. Not the greatest worker of all time but he sure wasn't a bad worker..
Sid was beyond shitty and mark green as baby shit
And Sid had a ok career , head line WM and I think starcade so Sid was main event for both companies biggest pay per view
I love your show Jim! I had the Misfortune of trying to create a Podcast for Sid who is really an angry bitter human being.
Master of Pain didn't wear a mask
Exactly he did as Punisher and Texas Red
"Bland and looked like shit"
That would a great movie title for the life of President Joe Biden.
Waylon mercy was awesome
How badass would it have been to have Great Muta vs Ricky Steamboat in 1989.
The fans went crazy when they battle bowl.I believe it was 91? When had won battle bowl in the previous year and they did mix stage stuff between the faces and heels.
Sting paired with vader and Pullman paired liger and sting stepped in to face jushin thunder liger the fans went crazy for this.
Why they never done a sting vs jushin thunder liger in 90-91 was beyond me.
Because mainstream wise back then Japanese wrestling was an acquired taste
Probably what you'd imagine it to be. Every Steamboat match was the same so it would have been Muta to not clash with him. It would have been good, but had it happened, I'm not sure it would have stood out
Cornette wouldn’t talk shit to Spivey’s face! You know what I mean!
Mark Callous wonder how his career turned out
Making big money for two or three matches a year...good work if you can get it
sam stone Sounds like he’s doing alright for himself. If only he could have found the right gimmick.
Mark Callous, never heard of him. He’s probably a dead man. 🤷♂️
Mark Callous? Who's gonna sign him? He'll never be a world champion! He'll never headline big ppv's and have a historic winning streak! He'll never be a big boss backstage!
Died after he left WCW still waiting for someone to cart the body away.
I don't know what Cornette is talking about but Spivey and the Skyscrapers where awesome! Destroying the jobbers and man handling the road warriors was cool!
Yeah destroying the jobbers was good but when you're in there against the best tag team the company has, you need to be able to put on a good match. Which they could not do.
They ate everyone up, never fed a decent comeback, or shined the baby faces. They fucking sucked
2:04
"He was broken down, looked like shit, physically
His work was bland and looked like shit
HE was bland and looked like shit
His promos were bland and looked like shit"
They should have used Todd Champion in the Skyscrapers. He was green but he had a monster look just miscast as an underneath babyface.
He wasn't green just the drizzling shits
@@chrischar9428 Ole? Is that you?
@@TheWillisShow I didn't name him clod champion
3902 is way better then first
WHO'S THE MAN?!!?
I was third
Sid is twice the man we are, and has half the brains we do.
I'd make the trade...you could make a lot of money but 2 suggestions don't let anyone talk you into coming off the top rope and 2) never skip leg day
One of the "best worst" promo lines of all time!
speak for yourself
It appears Cornette loves Spivey.
Almost as much as he loves Russo! 🤣🤣
Love how you split up the full episodes into small topics. I listen to the podcast while working and sometimes you miss stuff. 😂
Thats how i listen. Piece meal
Mark & Sid would've been a better duo if softball and injuries weren't in the way!!
They Skyscrapers would have worked with Sid and Mark - just bad timing
10:00 Sid and Mark did indeed eventually work a big money spot opposite each other - the main event of Wrestlemania XIII
Big Money spot that ironically the lowest selling wrestlemania of all time
@@bigrigjoe5130 It was big money considering it was Sid lol
(2:05)
So tell us Jim, what do you think of Dan Spivey's car,.. his house, his fashion sense?
They stuck like he does.
bring hip hop instrumental to this part and we'll get Jim Cornette rapping XD
Bland and looked like shit
Bland and looked like shit
Bland and looked like shit
His pet dog, his neighbors, his wife and kids...
Tell us more about your feelings on Vince Russo?
I think Jims rant on Spivey was more personal than he wants folks to think. I've watched Spiveys career and while he may not be in line for worker of the year , I've seen a lot worse. For Jim to say everything Spivey did was the $hits is not an accurate portrayal of Dan, and anyone can go back and watch Spivey from back in the day and see what I'm talking about. This was definitely a deep seeded personal issue with Cornette in my opinion.
sounds like Corny probably tried to get him fired. Id like to hear Spivey's side of the story.
Spivey was bland and looked like shit
@@gordonirvine726 Waylon Mercy was super ahead of it's time.
@@TheLokiBiz yeah and Vince got ultimate warrior over who everyone agrees he wasn't a good wrestler
agreed. still funny when he rants
Spivey got work cause every promoter in wrestling pops a chubby for a giant
Skyscrapers - one of the most over teams that never did anything
Great team, bad booking
@@bigglilwayne7050 Great team on paper, not so great on application. Sid was by for the star of the team, million dollar body, million dollar intensity, but a ten cent brain, his lack of intelligence always screwed his career over. And as Cornette said Spivey was just a generic big man, he had a good physique when he started but years of abuse both from getting into real fights and from snorting anything that looked white and powdery made him look less impressive
plus they had china white by scorpion one of my top three scorpion songs next to still loving you and winds of change
I think that this was when Teddy Long had just transitioned from referee to manager.
@@FerretJohn Any real fighter will tell you fighting fu_ks up your body from the inside out.. While pro wrestling fu_ks up your body from the inside.. Pro Wrestlers need to stay from the real fights cause they are already getting the injuries from the inside of their bodies the outside shouldn't look like sh_t too.. And I agree! Sid was literally the main eventer of the team.. Sid could of went very far cause he had it all except when he does promos.. Like I always say.. If someone has 90% of almost everything find that mouthpiece to complete that 100%..
RIP Sid Vicious
Corny is right. Sid WAS over in 89 with the Skyscrapers.
i was too young to know better, but I loved the skyscrapers, they were so huge, had a great look. I was a total mark for the sid skyscraper thing. then when mark callas came along, he didn't thrill me, he looked too thin for his height at that time, had the ginger red hair going. turned out to be one of the greatest wrestlers ever
Opie Cunningham
The Skyscrapers I thought were a unique idea - a new thing... but yeah, it is unfortunate the their main run was not Sid Vicious and Mean Mark Callous.... That would have worked best.....There was a lot worse shit in WCW than them
I remember when I was 5 or 6, and Spivey was doing an interview\promo he seemed totally unprepared for, and in a cluster of rambling, the line, "I'm mean, and I like to hurt people!" came out in the most southern accent this Texan had ever heard. From then on, my big sister had a new name for him every time we saw him, Safely Dan Spivey, Mildly discourteous Dan Spivey etc.
“Mildly Discourteous” Dan Spivey is fuckin hilarious
Spivey wasn't exactly Bret or Shawn but he wasn't that bad. Cornette overexaggerrates everything.
But in a shoot, Spivey could hit you so hard with his left, that he’d have ended up killing your sister 😂
That cover illustration 🤣
1:30 "we did it with the dudes" that just brings a smile to my face
The first time that I saw Dan Spivey he was when he was wailing mercy in the world wrestling Federation I had no knowledge of his previous wrestling career before he came to the world wrestling Federation
nordhorny Good for you
Side note: he previously wrestled as Golden Boy Dan Spivey in the early & mid 80s in the WWF..
*Waylon Mercy
Spivey wasn't even a fake threat, but he was the truth in the back from what i hear on shoot interviews, wrestling is real,❤kayfabe
The should have been called The Dingleberries
As a kid I used to love the skyscrapers Sid and Spivey played psycho gimmick to the tilt
Great Shoot Today Jim!!😎🐐🐐
Picture Dan Spivey slipping Cornette's handshake, staggering back to the lockeroom, looking in the mirror, and seeing a seven foot tall prime Ultimate Warrior body with Cody Rhodes' face looking back at him
I loved the Skyscrapers back then. Always wanted to see them in a match with Doom.
I remember when Sid left and Mark took his place I was pretty disappointed. It wasn't that I didn't think Mark was good, I was actually wishing they'd kept Sid, and gotten rid of Spivey. That would've been a helluva team.
@@gammasmash1924 sid got hurt in that clash match with the Steiners. Broken ribs, but loved the skyscrapers
@@gammasmash1924 Sid could not work
@@pooddescrewch8718 Meh, he was a product of the time. He certainly looked the part, and working as a big man didn't require much. All that was wanted from a guy his size was punch, kick, slam, big boot, chokeslam. Sid did all of those just fine, except for his punches. They looked horrible.
@@pooddescrewch8718 Sid was more over than the entire WWE roster today.
Did Spivey replace Barry Windham in US Express?
Yes
Yep, and he was horrible on that team.
NO WAY was John Laurinaitis 250 pounds during the Dynamic Dudes run 😂😂
OMG the artwork is superb.
@the16th6toothson 100%
The Dynamic Dudes.................... Laughter fills my soul!!!😅😅😅
Wasn't Spivey Starship Eagle or something like that? Like a Hogan clone
Yes he was
@the16th6toothson Spivey was a poor replacement for Windham
And Scott Hall was Starship Coyote
When I first started wat watching wrestling around 1986. I would always mistake Spivey for Hogan if it was a battle royal. They looked almost the same from far away.
Dan Spivey was Starship Eagle and Scott Hall was Starship Coyote.
I admire Sids absolute devotion to softball to the detriment of a high paying career in pro wrestling.
Love the art work of Jim!
platonically or are you literally in love?
I remember way back in the day when Scott Keith called the Great American Bash the greatest pay per view ever thinking "you watched the video release, because you wouldn't say that shit if you'd seen the Skyscrapers vs. the Dynamic Dudes." God that was awful.
Why if Dan was so bad , then why did he get over in Japan and if used right could've been bigger and Japan must have saw something , sometimes Jimmy can't see talent if he doesn't like the person.
My father took me to the Great American Bash in 89 at the Baltimore Arena and Cornette is 💯 that Skyscrapers vs the Dynamic Dudes was an awful match but Sid got over CRAZY!!!!!! With his ego I bet he thought he was on Ric Flair, Stings level lol he damn sure wasn't....
Your lucky. That’s the best bash on paper.
I just love Cornette!
the first time i ever saw sid vicious he was beating the shit out of kerry von eric...sid vicious rules the world...i dont care what you say corny...i have really good memories of the guy
I'd love to see Corny cross paths with Spivey
What year did WCW bring in Taker as Mean Mark Callous for the skyscrapers?
I believe it was 1990.
Spivey was a good wrestler and they could have done more with him he was nowhere near as bad as Jim is trying to make him out but because Jim doesn't like him he gets no respect the undertaker and Sid always had respect for spivey he was a true badass in the ring and most definitely out
They brought Spivey back in Feb 1991 to face Luger at Wrestlewar 91. Pretty good match by the way.
i love psycho Sid!
Checkers Lane Sid rules!!!!
They should have brought in Kevin Nash and put him with Dan Spivey, not a Master Blaster lol
hey, at least Spivey got to beat the s*** out of Adrian Adonis............
I wounder what happend to Mark callaway
the gameing Fox
Just kinda disappeared didn't he.
He is the undertaker where has you been?
Mean Mark is the undertaker
@@motownboy79 i heard he has a small streak of wreslemaina matches
@@thegameingfox yeah he had plenty of wreslmanina matches he all most unstoppable til he lost to Brock lessner
Gee I guess the skyscrapers weren't any good.
Shoutout to Shreveport!!
I am about to go check out the matches
2:55 goes to WWE Network to see Great American Bash 89
Gotta love a bit of Jim's drive thru
"bland, and looked like shit" - Jim Cornette
"Looked like shit"....lmao
When I think about Dan Spivey, I think of him being Rick Steiner's replacement in The Varsity Club.
Didn't Steve Williams technically replace Rick Steiner in the Varsity Club? Williams started teaming with Mike Rotunda and they beat the Road Warriors for the NWA World tag belts in early 1989.
@@diggitydave75438 Maybe so. Spivey was in The Varsity Club at one point.
@@gregorykrug8034 yeah...definitely. you're right that he was in the club. I think he teamed with Kevin Sullivan to challenge for the US tag belts. I don't remember who joined first, doc or spivey. Now that i think about it Doc may have joined after Spivey left the varsity club because part of me remembers when the skyscrapers first formed and dr death was still a face and he was in the ring against them. So much of WCW in late 1988 to early 1990 blends together in my mind.
Spivey was in Varsity Club for a cup of coffee
@@diggitydave75438Dr. Death was in before Spivey. He joined in mid-late 88 after Steiner turned face. Spivey joined in early-mid 89 and once it all ended he became a Skyscraper in the later half of 89.
Mike Blackwell got that a__ handed to him.. But yeah Sid was clearly the star out the team but Sid needed a mouthpiece..
No sell Blackwell
Spivy was not terrible. He was average. Cornette likely did get punked a little by Spivy during the Adonis fight so he just hates the dude now.
When they were in different promotions? Why would Cornette be a part of Spivey beating up Adonis when he was working for Crockett promotions when that happened in WWF?
I know it was strictly kafab but when Undertaker and Sid had their rivalry in WWE at the time couldn't they of booked at as former tag partners turned big rivals and still kept it interesting ? Even had Undertaker at the time blame Sid for his turn to the dark side.
They were not partners
1:31 "I did it with the dudes!"
That explains his crush on Russo..........
Spivey should have done the Pockets gimmick. Then Jim would have loved him.
Spivey wouldn't be able to do the things that Orange Cassidy does if he tried.
I don't remember the Midnight Express ever being Face's
Jim has talked about in detail of why The Midnight Express switched babyface. It all started when they were supposedly starting a potential angle with Tully and Arn, well wouldn't you know it, Tully and Arn quit and go to the WWF.
@@connor7036
Thanks Connor. I can picture Bobby & Stan as faces, no problem, but Corny is heel to his core! Hahaha
@@jrsmith3344while Cornette was at his best as a heel manager, there were a couple times when he was a babyface manager, once for a year in WCW/NWA and the second time was in Smoky Mountain in 94 for 6 months.
Wasn't Taker a Skyscraper?
☆ Yep - As Mean Mark - To Replace Sid Vicious ☆
Dan Spivey. I remember when he started. He was never that good. Jim was right. Sid was the Star of that team but Spivey was always trying to be like the Road Warriors but couldn't pull it off. To bad that Sid and Mark Callous (The Undertaker) never were the Sky Skrapers together. Now that would have been a great team.
Watch that left that the no sell dude caught.... That sums up Spivey...
I'm guessing that he punked Cornette out, because its obvious that he has a personal problem with the man...
He was bland and looked like shit
@@gordonirvine726 sounds just like President Joe Biden
@@marka.graffakasnakebitenat3736 do you think Biden's promos are bland and look like shit?
the only time i liked dan spivey was when he was in the starship....
Waylon Mercy was super ahead of it's time.
Never liked Dan Spivey.
His Waylon Mercy gimmick was real cool (judging from the vignettes I saw), shame his body didn't hold up...
@@MrFreakyFarhan know what I mean?
Waylon Mercy was ahead of its time
I did
To think there might be an alternate universe where The Skyscapers are the best tag team ever
Corny on Spivey is prime example of everything being personal with Corny. If only Spivey had been nice to him, the analysis would be he was there holding Sid and Taker's hand because they were green and taught them how to be two of the biggest stars of the 90's...by being what Spivey was in Japan, not worrying about "great matches", but being the badass your size indicates and not selling for anybody but the biggest stars...but alas Spivey wasn't nice to Corny
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong
Exactly true.