Surgical Strikes Review: Better than Beam Overload?

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  • Surgical Strikes was recently buffed and given an extension trait. In this video I will be going over my tests with it, and how it stacks up vs Beam Overload and Cannon Rapid Fire.
    Here's a list of all ships that support Surgical Strikes:
    docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
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    Chapters:
    00:00 About Surgical Strikes
    02:40 Testing Methodology
    03:52 First Test - DBB with Locators
    05:32 Second Test - DBB with Exploiters
    06:33 Third Test - Beam Arrays
    08:09 Fourth Test - DHC
    09:08 Conclusions
    11:03 Additional Notes
    12:22 Ships that can use Surgical Strikes
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  • @CasualSAB
    @CasualSAB  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I forgot to set the filter on the ship list to include 6 weapon ships, had been looking at specific things before recording. The link in description and here has the full list. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VdPptC1JP5R5H_pVr_5GY5R7Zax0Xf4yyi2e3B7jwTE/edit?usp=sharing

  • @AtlassGaming
    @AtlassGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The Terran Adamant should also be able to take advantage of SS3 + Husnock trait

    • @freizeit.gaming.modellbahn6764
      @freizeit.gaming.modellbahn6764 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes, it has beside the cmd intel also lt options for temporal. atm i have there my ss3 build

  • @thestokes91
    @thestokes91 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, very happy with the SS changes, and that Borticus buffed this trait before release. Another commenter mentioned it but the Kelvin T'laru is going to be very interesting with these buffs (it can equip the romulan drone ships too)

  • @MrNBridger
    @MrNBridger 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Preferential Targeting Trait is also something that is a big game changer for BO and CRF.

  • @wizgillar
    @wizgillar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Definitely going to try this on my Adament. It also makes my Vengeance more viable. Great video!

  • @SirPaleRider
    @SirPaleRider 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Going to switch over immediately! Thx for vid Spencer. Appreciated the ship table. Was hoping to go back to Fleet Arbiter but...Lt Command Intel only...so Terran Raider it is

  • @Orodreth888
    @Orodreth888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Back to the roots. I started DPSing with FED Intel Ships. This brings me straight back to my favorite the Phantom.

    • @aka-47k
      @aka-47k 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah i remember the releaso of delta i set up my phantom with ss and movement was so fun to be dodge tank with super dps XD

  • @jasonkirkland7587
    @jasonkirkland7587 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Makes me glad I got the fleet phantom Intel escort. Loved the looks and now it looks even better

  • @generalspinobi1442
    @generalspinobi1442 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! I was curious on what a few of those consoles you were using? Especially on the disruptor beam build you were showing

    • @CasualSAB
      @CasualSAB  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Eng Consoles: Assimilated Module (Omega Rep), Reinforced Weapon Assembly (Lobi), Tachkokinetic Converter (Lobi) | Sci Consoles: Console from the Jarok Alliance Carrier, Forged Turncoat (S31 Command Heavy BC), Bioneural Infusion Circuits (Lobi)
      Tac consoles are all Fleet Spire Exploiters for Disruptors. Uni console is the Lorca one from Disco rep.

  • @Lexelot.
    @Lexelot. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Old video but very useful! Did the Husnock trait Directed Energy Flux ever get verified as working with SS? I know in game the trait tooltip still only mentions CRF and BO. Thanks!

  • @shantideva30
    @shantideva30 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    interesting. realy like the SS builds, good support to kill big targets fast

  • @deadbird3144
    @deadbird3144 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    omnis have more base damage than turrets, so ss builds should likely use them over turrets, regarding mixing.

    • @aka-47k
      @aka-47k 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      the best part now 4/4 ships are significantly better 3 omnis+turret sure still not best or optimal but at least all weps have a firing mode XD

  • @dgc2540
    @dgc2540 ปีที่แล้ว

    I realize this is an older video by the time I am commenting onit, but maybe someone can answer a question I have. Now if you have a commander tac seat and can take Attack Pattern Omega, does Beam Overload still lose to Surgical Strike? I ask because the main ship I am using the Hydra and can do either build but the seating does mean that I have to whose between BO with AP Omega or SS.

  • @Vulf_Faolan
    @Vulf_Faolan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks!

    • @CasualSAB
      @CasualSAB  ปีที่แล้ว

      No problem! And thanks!

  • @Jay-ql4gp
    @Jay-ql4gp 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm using it on my Legendary D7 and it's pretty nice. Never thought of using the latest Scimitar though. But I have been wondering about the Vengeance.

  • @CrushMixes
    @CrushMixes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We need the Test Map on Holodeck! Where we all Play and have out best gear and access to everything! Take Note Cryptic! Take Note!

  • @davesmith9844
    @davesmith9844 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How does this change with the new Mag consoles?

  • @regancollins1465
    @regancollins1465 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know about pc version of ss. But on xbox ss only last 10 seconds. With vanguard trait adds another 5 seconds. SS has 30 second minimum cool down. So we're do you come up with nearly 100% uptime?

    • @CasualSAB
      @CasualSAB  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      SS has a 15s Global Cooldown (GCD) aka Minimum Cooldown. Just like Beam Overload, Rapid Fire, and Scatter Volley.
      Here's a spreadsheet containing info on all cooldowns. Go to the Powers tab at bottom left. GCD will be shown under the "Duplicate CD".
      docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11-MvAbU6Mvo-AEn3llOdOG9QG2s8FpWoiG6zoikCfkI/edit?usp=sharing

  • @ryanhau1073
    @ryanhau1073 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    in theory, basic Anti-Proton would be great for Surgical Strikes

  • @RFA_The-DuDe
    @RFA_The-DuDe หลายเดือนก่อน

    So if i get this correctly, i do not have to slot other firing modes then SS3. ? I use the kelvin timeline intel dreadnought cruiser. it has 5 isomag slots (+the 2 universal) and 4 locator slots... what would you slot ?...

    • @CasualSAB
      @CasualSAB  หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you're going with Surgical Strikes then it will be the only energy weapon firing mode on your build. Aye.
      And I would go with Isomags.

    • @RFA_The-DuDe
      @RFA_The-DuDe หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CasualSAB Done.. thanks Spencer.

  • @stue2298
    @stue2298 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for cruching the numbers. From my personal experience, in competitive runs my DPS have gone up about 12 to 13% with Surgical Strikes.
    If you have a Full intel ship and the extender for Surgical Strikes is a really good set up for some DEW builds.

  • @bilro3787
    @bilro3787 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I never thought that SS3 will do best, i am using a fleet gagarin miracle worker with BO3 and NSB3 and MAS3 with beam arrays and 1 torp. Can you do some testing against SS3?
    I am using almost the same build with the M6 computer console and EWC Trait, with a -10% weapon power cost warpcore from fleet plus -25% weapon power cost from the ship command for damage agony phaser, spiral is to expensive.
    Best Regards and keep the good work sory my bad English

  • @petrswtor
    @petrswtor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    People seem to forget that (non dual) cannons exist, but sounds to me like a mixture of cannons and beam arrays might be interesting on a ship like the L. Ambassador for example.
    Good intel in this video. Thanks!

  • @ODST_Parker
    @ODST_Parker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Anyone else find it awful that all of the single-target firing modes require extension traits from ridiculously expensive ships to get the most out of them? Not like you need them in the first place, and not like you need to use a single-target ability in the first place, but for different builds and themes, it's very unfortunate you can't make the best builds without those.

    • @gerogyzurkov2259
      @gerogyzurkov2259 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's how they're making their money tho.
      I mean pretty much 99% of all of us don't need these at all. Literally I can make a SS3 build that can do all content bar top meta which isn't necessary anyway at least now and the near future in 1-2 yrs. For those other 1% who want the top meta it sucks, but that's I guess the kind of people who loved the game so much they're willing to do it to invest in it for that more enjoyment.

    • @ODST_Parker
      @ODST_Parker ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@gerogyzurkov2259 No one has to spend a penny on STO, and I haven't for quite a few years since Delta Rising. Unfortunately, there will always be whales willing to spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars on power creep, even if there's absolutely no reason to do so.

    • @gerogyzurkov2259
      @gerogyzurkov2259 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ODST_Parker Thousands mean the game run so. MC STU already displayed the statistics so I am guess the just under 5k daily count is fine with them

    • @ODST_Parker
      @ODST_Parker ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gerogyzurkov2259 Game doesn't run much anymore though. Bugs from a decade ago, problems they refuse to solve because it'd take too much effort or money, additions they'll never make because they're not profitable enough, and barely any actual content releases nowadays.
      They're making as much money as possible while keeping the game going as long as possible, that's no a good state for it to be in.

    • @gerogyzurkov2259
      @gerogyzurkov2259 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ODST_Parker I hope gearbox make second version.

  • @KakavashaForever
    @KakavashaForever 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How have isomags changed this, if at all? And where would the Hydra fit into an updated list?

    • @CasualSAB
      @CasualSAB  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Isomags increase the number of viable platforms. Hydra does very well, one of the best C-Store options.

  • @Goldenrye21
    @Goldenrye21 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does SS still beat BO if one has neither superweapon ingenuity nor the new Jem'hadar ship?

    • @CasualSAB
      @CasualSAB  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you have neither extension trait, then yes, it should still win out.

    • @Goldenrye21
      @Goldenrye21 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CasualSAB great, thanks!

  • @alanpattee4383
    @alanpattee4383 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    😫 argh.lol. Great job for the video!

  • @thecyberchefutube
    @thecyberchefutube 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any benefit or negative to running both BO3 or CRF2 along with SS3? Do the cancel each other out?

    • @CasualSAB
      @CasualSAB  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You cannot run SS3 alongside BO or CRF. SS3 will lock BO/CRF out, and BO/CRF will lock SS3 out.

    • @thecyberchefutube
      @thecyberchefutube 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CasualSAB Thanks 🙏

  • @pcubed664
    @pcubed664 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You compare Surgical Strikes III to Beam Overload III, but what about Overload III with Mixed Armaments Synergy? Are Miracle Worker ships still the King of beam damage?

    • @CasualSAB
      @CasualSAB  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's hard for me to give an exact % for that comparison. I'm leaning towards SS3 still taking a slight lead.
      MW ships are likely to still be the top option for DEW builds in normal/advanced level content. That shifts over to Command in Elite due to effectiveness of Call Emergency Artillery and CF3 (if you have a torp on).

  • @Elthenar
    @Elthenar 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have the Gal X and have been using SS3 when leveling, but man it's hard not to use BO when you have Best Hope of the Empire.

  • @needparalegal
    @needparalegal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I may buy the bundle. Go for the Kill is another hard to get trait.

    • @deavonw
      @deavonw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ship is fun. I recommend it. Definitely tankier than you might expect.

    • @needparalegal
      @needparalegal 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@deavonw I have more ships than I can fly, so I would only be buying for the trauts,

  • @radeadcool
    @radeadcool 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What no Terran Adamant/Defiant?

    • @CasualSAB
      @CasualSAB  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's because I had set the filter to only show 7/8 weapon ships earlier and forgot to let the 6 weapon ships back in when I recorded this :(

  • @madskillzz1
    @madskillzz1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any thoughts on use in PVP? I feel like vape builds could get OP with some of this stuff if setup right....not that I PVP anymore really lol.

    • @CasualSAB
      @CasualSAB  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Issue for PvP is you can't use a secondary energy firing mode to trigger those colony tac consoles for their heals.
      I don't think vape builds have as much presence nowadays. Beam Overload dogfighters can hit people so hard as is.

    • @ILTrombazzucche
      @ILTrombazzucche 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CasualSAB hi! So in pvp, being able to choose between all the right traits, and wanting to use the colony consoles for, you would use

    • @ILTrombazzucche
      @ILTrombazzucche 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      For survivability, you would use beam overload or surgical strike!? Thx

    • @madskillzz1
      @madskillzz1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ILTrombazzucche For PVP you would have to use a special firing mode like BO it trigger the colony consoles. I guess if you are not running those you could run SS. My guess is you will find it difficult to survive not using them tho because they regen a ton of hull.

    • @ILTrombazzucche
      @ILTrombazzucche 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@madskillzz1 🖖

  • @CaptainJasonC
    @CaptainJasonC 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    With PTT i have found BO outdoes SS3 on my builds

  • @Vulf_Faolan
    @Vulf_Faolan ปีที่แล้ว

    6:33 I'm sorry, I realize you probably get asked this a lot, but I'm having a hard time finding a consistent answer... Fed with Beam Arrays and Beam Overload, should I be running weapons with [CrtD]x4 or [Dmg]x4? Like, if you had a "For Dummies" answer, I'd really appreciate it.

    • @CasualSAB
      @CasualSAB  ปีที่แล้ว

      If you don't have a spam bar and your build isn't using sets/consoles that boost your weapons, then CrtD]x4.
      If you have a spam bar to keep up a constant rotation of abilities, and have multiple things on your build to boost your weapons, then Dmg]x4.

    • @Vulf_Faolan
      @Vulf_Faolan ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CasualSAB I see... The way I'm reading that is if I'm a powerful high-end player who really knows what he's doing, I should go Dmg. If I'm a mostly F2P casual following some basic guides to create a passable budget build, CrtD would probably be best.

    • @CasualSAB
      @CasualSAB  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, CrtD is the better choice for most players. Dmg for those pushing their builds as far as possible. But either way, any mix of CrtD and Dmg on your weapons is fine. Difference between either is going to be a fraction of a percent most of the time.

    • @Vulf_Faolan
      @Vulf_Faolan ปีที่แล้ว

      I see. That helps a lot, thank you.

  • @lvl99link
    @lvl99link 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Don't forget about the Kelvin T'laru. Full non-exotic Intel sci carrier with Lt Temp seating. Can get pretty crafty with not only the ship, but the Highly Specialized trait it comes with as well. A 5% recharge time on Specialist Boff abilities (in addition to other things) that stacks up to 5 times each time you use a Specialist Boff ability for 20 seconds, yes please!
    Now all we need is:
    SAD type trait for Surgical Strikes for hanger pets!!
    An ETM for HY/CRF
    An ETM for Surgical Strikes

  • @Tstahl962
    @Tstahl962 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I mean, while the test is nice and all and gives a rough showing... You're favouring SS3 quite alot here simply due to how the test environment was.
    Since you're not stacked up on crit chance and severity aka as cat-2 saturated as you would be in an actual DPS run, which favours SS3s crit Chance and sev boost quite a bit.
    Not saying the test is invalid, just a bit biased towards SS3.
    Plus you technically would have to compare Beam Overload with Locators vs SS3 with exploiters

  • @zigzag8949
    @zigzag8949 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have Holo Leeta, I've used Elite training token to learn all manuals but like EVERY bridge officer manual or skill... It never works. Not once in 3 years has a single training manual ever worked on any officer. Maybe it's a PS4 thing.

    • @CasualSAB
      @CasualSAB  ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you promote your bridge officer?

    • @zigzag8949
      @zigzag8949 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CasualSAB yes I did 😁 it appears to be a specific ship issue. You need the right crew member on the right ship, the right specialisation and the right command level per station. Cryptic have put up WAY too many readblocks and no form of instruction for the average user. That no training manuals still don't work on consol is crazy. Thanks for the reply 😁

  • @cwiggy34
    @cwiggy34 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So I'm I to assume that all this is built around a current $40 and soon a $90 trait? If soo...lol...............

    • @CasualSAB
      @CasualSAB  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, built entirely around that trait.

  • @Rob_253
    @Rob_253 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how I'm one of your most trusted confidants and yet I'm at the bottom of your list...

    • @CasualSAB
      @CasualSAB  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Alphabetical order not helping you there