The most amazing thing about Byron is the attention he demanded with such slow communication spread of the times. Yet Byron swept through society as a young young man.
A sci-fi novel that was very successful a few decades ago was an alternate history starring Byron, sort-of. It focused on Britain and France, and was titled "The Difference Engine." Byron was a main supporting character as the Prime Minister. A true historical Victorian named Babbage tried for years to build a mechanical computer. In the novel, he succeeds, and GB has a massive one they use to do much, and the French have an imitation called "the Great Napoleon." The depiction of things in that novel was great. In reality Babbage used his fortune to do this several times. Each time he spent it all trying to get metalworkers to make stronger steel, as the small parts kept breaking. In reality, this spending it all went on at least three times, each time him going out and building another fortune. In modern times his design was used to build the thing. It worked! A niece of Lord Byron, named Ada Lovelace, was part of a Babbage circle. She is thought by many to be one of the earliest folks thinking like a modern programmer, as several were trying to think of how to use the machine when it finally got completed.
As said by the late Robin Williams when commenting on the Clinton/Lewinsky affair, “ God gave men both a penis and a brain, but unfortunately not enough blood supply to run both at the same time”. ‘Nuff said.
Some people simply have no boundaries, like Byron. Not everything is the result of trauma. He was a high class brat who knew the consequences of his actions were not going to be as bad as a commoner’s.
With Tom and Dom we head off the rails right into the side of the mountain, full speed, a thousand times. Their sanity is our parachute just before impact, when has inappropriate laughter ever been more appropriate, or even soothing. Byron's behavior is so consistently so far over the top so often not scandal, but mania or insanity seem better involuntary utterances in the center of the tornados that rip through Byron's social landscape. Wow! Depravity would be a kind word in this case. You guys are marvelous, deftly navigating the madness and a perfect compliment to one another; and ever a mercy to us with strongly tethered, very strong, minds. It would be impossible to have a better time exploring disasters of such epic proportions. I had to subscribe, well done!
Absolutely fantastic, the amount of minucia, details, dates, and quotes are the icing on the cake. Absolutely addicted to and "the rest in history". My partner, to be politically correct, just gets "that look" when I proceed to put the ear pods on 😂 and i am lost to the world! Thank you for these amazing podcasts.
I think when Caroline told Byron that “ I feel for you as your sister does”, she was saying ‘ I can do for you what your sister does, so you don’t need her ‘.
'Don Juan' - like 'Essay on Man' and 'Hunting of the Snark' - is one of those poems which work like one of those a poisoned arrow in fairy tales, digging deeper and deeper into my heart as the years pass.
These days most know of Byrons reputation, but I thoroughly enjoyed the description of the times and the mores of the period in Britain where Beau Brumell strutted around, side by side with the squallor of pre Dickensian London.
40:57 This is too much. To tell anyone else about your intimate relationship without the knowledge of your partner, it doesn't get lower than that. Someone who can do that is utterly unworthy of trust or of respect. And he's telling The Spider. Genuine rotter.
45:12 North Eastern Coal Miners performing a sword dance unusual? Not at all. It's called Rapper Dancing and is alive and well. th-cam.com/video/khSKW4M-1P4/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
I thought Oscar Wilde was despicable towards his wife. It seem like he was not the only male treating the women they needed financially and such a cruel way.
@dorothyblair6741 since I read your comment, I have been trying to find something on Shelley. So far, he seems to be a fair-minded, open hearted, talented poet. So briefly, what is it about Percy that makes you think he is worse than that flamboyant tart Byron?
@@Tinyflypie I probably didn't mean to say that he was worse, but I don't think he was any better. He certainly wasn't less of a tart than Byron. Abandoning his young and heavily pregnant wife and child for Mary Godwin, and once his abandoned wife Harriet had committed suicide, ( Within 3 weeks of that event he and the teenage Mary Godwin married), it appears their subsequent married life, for her at least was a litany of misery and depression.Running up of debts, avoiding debt collectors, philandering,(ok, I know he was a proponent of free love)which may have included episodes with Claire Clairmont, Mary Shelley's step sister and the mother of Byron's illegitimate daughter. He certainly was a gifted poet, but where the women in his life were concerned he was not a good person.
@dorothyblair6741 I can separate the art from the artist in painters and maybe even in fiction writers but poets! You have the expectation of a soul in poets. But no, Ted Hughes, Byron, and now Shelley all instruments of the devil. Sluts in pants. Frivolous tarts. Thanks for spilling the tea. Edit: auto correct does not like me writing 'slut' and invariably changes it to 'shuts'. If only they had kept their pants shut.
It's rather dangerous to state that Byron was the first celebrity. When Farinelli arrived in London, there was certainly a craze for him in the same kind of way as for Byron, in that women and men were wearing miniatures of him and throwing themselves at him. Obviously sexually things were somewhat different!
Its a shame George Michael is gone. He would have made a great Byron! And Jane Austen too as she with the help of the Brontes could have written the screenplay 😂😂
How silly you are. The good thing about your criticism is that these are 2 intelligent men with good self deprecating humour. You sound like a female Byron fan boy/ girl who sent a love note that wasn't reciprocated.
One must contemplate the mystery of toxic charisma. I've seen it in action. It can be a very destructive force. I try very hard not to be the focus of anyone's attention. This planet's in a bad neighborhood...
@@jonathanphillips5794 very interesting. I'm sure this has been debated in English literature classrooms around the world. Could it not work as "who-on" to fit with the rhyme scheme? I mean, it would be very Byron to create such controversy.
Not just Juan, most people said Quixote as 'kwicksot' until fairly recently. I blame the EU for all that correct pronunciation. We can seize back control of our British mispronunciation with pride!
Don't appreciate these 2 Brits misunderstanding exactly how horrible the Hellenes suffered under the Ottomans, and that Athens was "decrepit" at the time of Byron precisely because of +400 years of cruel, Ottoman rule that not only allowed the rape of the Parthenon but especially the rape of the people and of our culture for centuries (BTW the Greeks - and all Byzantines in general - agitated for freedom from then Ottomans from the beginning of their Occupation!)...so not only do these 2 not respect the Greeks (nor the Albanians, nor even the Turks) - they obviously disrespect all the women in this tale, and almost everyone other than Byron..so this 3-part series is kinda disgusting in its superior attitudes = DO NOT RECOMMEND :(
Oh yes, they gave a quite a hint of the greek 400year old tragedy; besides, this serial is about Byron, not about Greece though Hellas played an important role in his life.
I feel sorry for anyone who is introduced to Byron by this rubbish - these marriage horror stories were written by Annabella for the benefit of her lawyers - it's quite shameful to repeat this like two old ladies twitching curtains
@@woah6958 He's worth it. There are so many books about him - oddly, as time has progressed they have become more and more puerile. I'd start with Doris Langley Moore's 'The Late Lord Byron', which dissects all the books written immediately after his death - and on which many subsequent books based their theories upon. Same with Thomas Moore's original biog. - then his letters - and you have a wonderful friend for life.
@@georgecav Malcolm Elwin's book on the marriage contains every single letter written to and from before their engagement to years after - the story tells itself - and she was a vicious fabulist of the first order.
The most amazing thing about Byron is the attention he demanded with such slow communication spread of the times. Yet Byron swept through society as a young young man.
Thank you. Watching from Alaska. 🤔
Good grief.
I’ve just got to say … you two are hilarious…I just love your banter with the unbelievable content … Thankyou
Their great and the phrase Pride and Prejudice on hard drugs .Pure Andy Warhol lol.
This is one of funniest episodes they have ever done. Dom cracks me up, he’s just at a loss throughout 😂
It's rare that one feels like having a shower after a history podcast; but, in this case, I'll make an exception.
😂
Well stated.
Oh c'mon!! Surely Tom Holland is not that bad!
I've been binge listening to this podcast, and then again.
As a struggling poet looking for 'top tips', I'm most grateful for your opening vignette.
(n.b. must remember to ring my sister).
A sci-fi novel that was very successful a few decades ago was an alternate history starring Byron, sort-of. It focused on Britain and France, and was titled "The Difference Engine." Byron was a main supporting character as the Prime Minister. A true historical Victorian named Babbage tried for years to build a mechanical computer. In the novel, he succeeds, and GB has a massive one they use to do much, and the French have an imitation called "the Great Napoleon." The depiction of things in that novel was great. In reality Babbage used his fortune to do this several times. Each time he spent it all trying to get metalworkers to make stronger steel, as the small parts kept breaking. In reality, this spending it all went on at least three times, each time him going out and building another fortune. In modern times his design was used to build the thing. It worked! A niece of Lord Byron, named Ada Lovelace, was part of a Babbage circle. She is thought by many to be one of the earliest folks thinking like a modern programmer, as several were trying to think of how to use the machine when it finally got completed.
I am so happy I stumbled upon your podcast. I am truly enjoying it. ❤
As said by the late Robin Williams when commenting on the Clinton/Lewinsky affair, “ God gave men both a penis and a brain, but unfortunately not enough blood supply to run both at the same time”. ‘Nuff said.
Looks like the direct result of a someone sexualy assaulted as a child. Very sad and unfortunately still common
Some people simply have no boundaries, like Byron. Not everything is the result of trauma. He was a high class brat who knew the consequences of his actions were not going to be as bad as a commoner’s.
With Tom and Dom we head off the rails right into the side of the mountain, full speed, a thousand times. Their sanity is our parachute just before impact, when has inappropriate laughter ever been more appropriate, or even soothing. Byron's behavior is so consistently so far over the top so often not scandal, but mania or insanity seem better involuntary utterances in the center of the tornados that rip through Byron's social landscape. Wow! Depravity would be a kind word in this case. You guys are marvelous, deftly navigating the madness and a perfect compliment to one another; and ever a mercy to us with strongly tethered, very strong, minds. It would be impossible to have a better time exploring disasters of such epic proportions. I had to subscribe, well done!
cant tell if chatgpt
another pre-byronesque celebrity:
Dr. Samuel Johnson (?)
Appreciate the effort put into these! I like the intros to camera
Absolutely fantastic, the amount of minucia, details, dates, and quotes are the icing on the cake. Absolutely addicted to and "the rest in history". My partner, to be politically correct, just gets "that look" when I proceed to put the ear pods on 😂 and i am lost to the world! Thank you for these amazing podcasts.
Excellent series. Mind blowing, thought provoking and stupefying. Thank you so much.
This series has been great!!
Delightful, head shaking and wonderful!
I think when Caroline told Byron that “ I feel for you as your sister does”, she was saying ‘ I can do for you what your sister does, so you don’t need her ‘.
Or maybe so but in 1720s surely it’s that identifying as an emotional twin is as important as replacing someone. Also they would be prots not RC.
So very interesting and entertaining. Thank you!
'Don Juan' - like 'Essay on Man' and 'Hunting of the Snark' - is one of those poems which work like one of those a poisoned arrow in fairy tales, digging deeper and deeper into my heart as the years pass.
Sword dance still alive and well in the north of England, although these days performed more by folk tradition enthusiasts rather than miners.
wonderful series!
Dom's open shirt is very Byron-esque
Yes dangerous to know at minimum.. 😮
@33:07 Doesn’t Augusta conceive Elizabeth Mendora Leigh (presumed Byron) during that Winter stay at Newstead in 1813? Fantastic series btw 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Anna Bella was an honest well thought out person . He was very cruel full stop no question
These days most know of Byrons reputation, but I thoroughly enjoyed the description of the times and the mores of the period in Britain where Beau Brumell strutted around, side by side with the squallor of pre Dickensian London.
this is so good
40:57 This is too much. To tell anyone else about your intimate relationship without the knowledge of your partner, it doesn't get lower than that. Someone who can do that is utterly unworthy of trust or of respect.
And he's telling The Spider. Genuine rotter.
45:12 North Eastern Coal Miners performing a sword dance unusual? Not at all. It's called Rapper Dancing and is alive and well. th-cam.com/video/khSKW4M-1P4/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
"Ironic v Byronic ... oh, who do I pick?" (Lady Caroline Lamb)
In my early twenties I had a four year relationship with this dude. Indeed a vampire. Lol
Brilliant 👍🏼
I thought Oscar Wilde was despicable towards his wife. It seem like he was not the only male treating the women they needed financially and such a cruel way.
To answer the question was Byron mentally ill. He was a classic narcissist. More information, look at the work of HG Tudor.
Thank You! ⚜️✨🦩💎
My word, what a terrible man!
💥 The Beatles benefited from a well developed, existent culture of fandom, whereas Byron was its progenitor.
47:22 OMG!😂 That poor woman!
Good God I am surely in hell!😂😂😂
I don’t think that you pronounce Don Juan as don jewan ?
Byron pronounced it like that, apparently as a joke.
Anyone else start reading the comments at the intro… 👀🤯😂
One word. Riveting!
Thank you !
Lady Melbourne to Byron: "Are you mad?" Byron in reply: "Eh ... duh... haven't you heard? Mad, Bad and Dangerous to know ..."
Annabella has a daughter, Ada, who becomes Countess Lovelace, and with Charles Babbage, invents the computer. Ada was amazing.
Did you spell liaison correctly?
I can’t even keep up with whom he is hooking up with!
I used to like lord Byron. Now I find him repulsive.
Me too. He is repulsive
@austinquick
Wait until you find out about Shelley
@dorothyblair6741 since I read your comment, I have been trying to find something on Shelley. So far, he seems to be a fair-minded, open hearted, talented poet. So briefly, what is it about Percy that makes you think he is worse than that flamboyant tart Byron?
@@Tinyflypie I probably didn't mean to say that he was worse, but I don't think he was any better. He certainly wasn't less of a tart than Byron.
Abandoning his young and heavily pregnant wife and child for Mary Godwin, and once his abandoned wife Harriet had committed suicide, ( Within 3 weeks of that event he and the teenage Mary Godwin married), it appears their subsequent married life, for her at least was a litany of misery and depression.Running up of debts, avoiding debt collectors, philandering,(ok, I know he was a proponent of free love)which may have included episodes with Claire Clairmont, Mary Shelley's step sister and the mother of Byron's illegitimate daughter. He certainly was a gifted poet, but where the women in his life were concerned he was not a good person.
@dorothyblair6741 I can separate the art from the artist in painters and maybe even in fiction writers but poets! You have the expectation of a soul in poets. But no, Ted Hughes, Byron, and now Shelley all instruments of the devil. Sluts in pants. Frivolous tarts. Thanks for spilling the tea. Edit: auto correct does not like me writing 'slut' and invariably changes it to 'shuts'. If only they had kept their pants shut.
😀😀😀 Byron is a caricature.
I think Alan Clark MP lived inThe Albany. Another colourful figure - of 'the coven' fame.
I recall at the age of 11 or 12 doing a school project on Byron - darn sure they didn't tell us about incest or rape!
It's rather dangerous to state that Byron was the first celebrity. When Farinelli arrived in London, there was certainly a craze for him in the same kind of way as for Byron, in that women and men were wearing miniatures of him and throwing themselves at him. Obviously sexually things were somewhat different!
Bryon flawed but with some weight.
I just heard the question is Lord Byron mentally ill I think we're all mentally ill to a certain degree don't you
Borderline Personality due to childhood abuse...I would put $ on it. Next-level behavior doomed & driven down the path of destruction
Let us not forget that "sodomy" is not a pracrice just confined to male-on-male sexual activity.
No reminder needed here, bub.
Its a shame George Michael is gone. He would have made a great Byron! And Jane Austen too as she with the help of the Brontes could have written the screenplay 😂😂
As a Spanish speaker I keep cringing. 😂
wait, wut, Ada Lovelace? WUUTTTTT
Byronic = Can't keep it in his pants.
Dominic looks like he’s broadcasting from a toy shop.
Looks childish and gaudy
Isn't it wonderful?
How silly you are. The good thing about your criticism is that these are 2 intelligent men with good self deprecating humour. You sound like a female Byron fan boy/ girl who sent a love note that wasn't reciprocated.
Now that's entertainment! All the news that's unfit to print in the NYT or pedestrian People Magazine.
Chewing gum? You mean Coca leaves?
So, you've stopped the,
"Do you...?" stuff.
But the hype intros are still a bit weird.
One must contemplate the mystery of toxic charisma. I've seen it in action. It can be a very destructive force. I try very hard not to be the focus of anyone's attention. This planet's in a bad neighborhood...
The charges were horrendous, even by today’s standards: how dare a husband even try to sodomize his wife? It’s unheard of
Wow, lol, I’m in
I don’t know why Lady Melbourne is called amoral when the behaviour cited is by definition immoral. She wasn’t a moral moron.
Yum…
Surely it's not pronounced "don joo-an" but rather "don wan". For don Juan. Otherwise brilliant discussion as always.
In the rhyme scheme it's "Joo-an". Byron probably knew the correct pronunciation but was being satirical in his use of the non-Spanish pronunciation.
@@jonathanphillips5794 very interesting. I'm sure this has been debated in English literature classrooms around the world. Could it not work as "who-on" to fit with the rhyme scheme? I mean, it would be very Byron to create such controversy.
Not just Juan, most people said Quixote as 'kwicksot' until fairly recently. I blame the EU for all that correct pronunciation. We can seize back control of our British mispronunciation with pride!
Byron writes several times that it was to be pronounced 'Joo-an'... he joked that it was so it could be rhymed with 'Good-un'!
You haven’t actually read it then,op?
This is the kind of stuff women talk about behind other peoples back, I never knew Tom and Dominic would be interested in such a story.
Sounds a little sexist. And why fence off certain events and relationships from historical discussion? I’m an old bloke and I find it interesting.
If you love history, most history is interesting.
I don’t know any women who talks about this behind anyone’s backs - I am one and like talking about this stuff upfront 😊.
Wow. I've just found this site, but your comment has meant I won't be back!
Don't appreciate these 2 Brits misunderstanding exactly how horrible the Hellenes suffered under the Ottomans, and that Athens was "decrepit" at the time of Byron precisely because of +400 years of cruel, Ottoman rule that not only allowed the rape of the Parthenon but especially the rape of the people and of our culture for centuries (BTW the Greeks - and all Byzantines in general - agitated for freedom from then Ottomans from the beginning of their Occupation!)...so not only do these 2 not respect the Greeks (nor the Albanians, nor even the Turks) - they obviously disrespect all the women in this tale, and almost everyone other than Byron..so this 3-part series is kinda disgusting in its superior attitudes = DO NOT RECOMMEND :(
Oh yes, they gave a quite a hint of the greek 400year old tragedy; besides, this serial is about Byron, not about Greece though Hellas played an important role in his life.
And SURE THEY RESPECTED THE WOMEN IN THE TALE, mrs.Offended!
we don’t all need to be wrapped up in your own personal nationalism.
I feel sorry for anyone who is introduced to Byron by this rubbish - these marriage horror stories were written by Annabella for the benefit of her lawyers - it's quite shameful to repeat this like two old ladies twitching curtains
What sources would you recommend for a more factually accurate introduction to Byron?
I'd like to learn more about this guy.
@@woah6958 He's worth it. There are so many books about him - oddly, as time has progressed they have become more and more puerile. I'd start with Doris Langley Moore's 'The Late Lord Byron', which dissects all the books written immediately after his death - and on which many subsequent books based their theories upon. Same with Thomas Moore's original biog. - then his letters - and you have a wonderful friend for life.
@@sholmes-mg5hr Thankyou.
So Annabella told you this in person otherwise that’s just the version of this story you prefer to believe.
@@georgecav Malcolm Elwin's book on the marriage contains every single letter written to and from before their engagement to years after - the story tells itself - and she was a vicious fabulist of the first order.