6:30 Yes, this is exactly how Dyatlov behaved that night. His colleagues remember him being hot-tempered, often using foul language in order to keep subordinates in line and really wanting to finish that test that night no matter what. The series are not 100% historically accurate (probably about 50-60% of historical accuracy only), many things were changed for the sake of expressive artistic dramatisation, but the ideas, conclusions and the mood are absolutely up to the point. Generally, the story was told correctly. The scientific processes were 100% correctly represented. The destructive and secretive Soviet bureaucracy was 90% correctly represented (with only minor inconsistencies, for example people were not calling each other "comrades" so often, they actually hated the term (it was perceived to be cheesy and almost comical) and everyone was calling each other using either first name (friends) or using patronymic and first name (more official).
Enjoyed your reactions. If you guys are interested, HBO released a podcast about Chernobyl starring the creator of the show that really goes into how historically accurate they tried to be and why/when they went sideways of it. The comment that was mentioned in the beginning was from it.
main narrative of the show is problematic because it is false and propagandist. this false narrative depicts scientists seeking truth at any cost, conducting an investigation against wishes of the state, and revealing the results at great risk to themselves ( even of life and imprisonment). in fact what happened at chernobyl and aftermath (now known and even accessible in west through books like midnight at chernobyl) on those main narrative points, was quite different (in fact almost 180 degrees different). show chose to deliberately lie on those points. those lies are especially problematic in a show with theme of" cost of lies" .
Good job, guys! The Chernobyl events are both my hobby and work (I'm the authorized guide to Chernobyl zone). I am happy to discuss this topic with those who are interested in it.
“"That is something that we have to wrap our minds around. When these things happen, we cannot immediately ask this simple question, 'Well, who is to blame?' We should presume that there’s a lot to blame, and the real question is 'What do we do so this doesn’t happen again?' That’s the question worth asking." During the behind-the-scenes interview, Mazin (writer/creator of HBO’s “Chernobyl”) said: "Dyatlov made decisions that no rational person ever should have made. He made crazy choices and in the trial, Dyatlov does say the following thing: 'I will not say that I am guilty, but I cannot say that I'm not.' I thought that was a remarkable expression of - at least the potential - of guilt. In its own way, the statement was very Soviet, to have it both ways."
@@Hanadix what he is saying is based on what people that worked with or under Dyatlov said about him. They describe him as strict, serious and a bit arrogant, but at the same time professional and someone that would care for their coworkers. So that is quite different from what the show says. They also make Dyatlov trying to throw his team under the bus, by accusing them of making mistakes. That is also wrong. Until the day he died he kept deffending both Toptunov and Akinov (as well the other people in the room) saying they did nothing wrong and blamed the reactor design as the true cause of the accident.
Followon: The show made Lyudmila a celebrity. She had to move out of Kiev to escape the paparazzi. Nikolai Fomin broke his glasses and slashed his wrists in prison awaiting trial. He was released early for mental instability. He was let go from his job at the Kalinin reactor for the same reason. Brukhanov was made a paper pusher in the Ukrainian Ministry of Trade. IMO he should have gotten more consideration. He was responsible for the construction of both town and reactor, begged, borrowed and stole the workers and materials, and had the flowers and trees put in. His only failing was not riding herd on Fomin closely enough. Before sand was flown in, the residents were filling sand bags from the river banks. Not very well, because Scherbina roared at them "You're good at blowing up reactors, but you can't fill sand bags!" Dyatlov's 35 years of previous experience was on nuclear subs. An admiral was invited to visit the reactor after completion. His reaction: "You're going to put that piece of shit into civilian use?" According to his colleagues, Dyatlov really was like that, although it's hard to imagine he could sustain that level of intensity every single day. Chernobyl certainly didn't help Gorbachev, and the debt it caused was ruinous, but a bigger cause of the Soviet Union's collapse was his attempt to drastically restructure the command economy before it failed entirely. It only made things worse. Concerning the Soviet bureaucracy, there's the tractor factory. They began construction, which immediately fell behind. But if you surfaced a problem, it was shoot the messenger--it was all your fault for making it real. So the paperwork moved forward on schedule. Finally the fire marshal showed up to inspect, and found a cement slab. That was how everything worked, not just Pripyat. The reactor scenes are authentic because they were filmed in an RMBK reactor in Lithuania, which was being decommissioned as a prerequisite for Lithuania joining the European Union. The control rods had graphite tips because, when fully withdrawn, boron would have been exposed at the bottom, eating neutrons. The graphite tips were added in the interests of efficiency. The big historical deviation was that Legasov wasn't at the trial. He was ostracized by the powers that be at the Institute, and was voted down for its directorship, which was a huge shock. Nobody knows how he distributed his tapes. But during glasnost, a portion criticizing the system was reprinted in Pravda.
The handling of the disaster, it sort of became the stereotype of the completely crazy bureaucracy the USSR had come to, and it is why it still lingers in the head of Gorbachev in 2006 and probably even today. The handling sparked so much lack of trust in the government when the policy of Glasnost came and there was freedom of the press and people suddenly saw the news of it.
It's a story that definitely needs telling. That whole scene moments from disaster is such a dread honestly knowing how bad it all goes and it being easily avoidable. I think it's the same fascination with plane accidents, although luckily few of us will ever work at a nuclear factory. Being in charge of something as volatile as that would be a nightmare.
For anyone wondering where these guys have been, Clay was diagnosed with chronic leukemia and they hope to return once he’s feeling back to normal, but it will be awhile. The full update post from their Patreon: “Hey everybody, thought I'd give an update about why we haven't been posting much lately. Our goal when we started this was to get out 3 episodes a week, but for the last few weeks in particular we've been getting out maybe one. The main reason we've slowed down so much is because Clay hasn't been feeling well. Clay and I (Corey) are roommates. The majority of our videos are recorded in his room and I do most of the editing on his computer. For the last couple of months Clay has been feeling progressively worse and because of that it's been more difficult to find time to record or edit. Well Clay went and got a blood test on Friday and it turns out he has Chronic Leukemia. Obviously this was a big surprise, but they started treating him and he's already feeling a little better. Prognosis is looking good, but it'll be awhile before he's feeling back to normal. Anyway with that going on it's going to continue being sporadic posting for a while. I don't have any timeline yet, but once Clay's feeling back to normal we'll be back to posting regularly. Thanks for watching and we'll keep you updated!”
I’m very sorry to hear about Clay’s diagnosis. I will pray for Clay‘s strength and for his fast recovery. since you’re his adopted family, I will pray for your strength to help support Clay during this difficult time. Thank you for the update guys. And don’t worry about posting new videos. Your fans will be there when you all return. -L
They posted this update on their patreon page towards the end of February: “Hey everybody, thought I'd give an update about why we haven't been posting much lately. Our goal when we started this was to get out 3 episodes a week, but for the last few weeks in particular we've been getting out maybe one. The main reason we've slowed down so much is because Clay hasn't been feeling well. Clay and I (Corey) are roommates. The majority of our videos are recorded in his room and I do most of the editing on his computer. For the last couple of months Clay has been feeling progressively worse and because of that it's been more difficult to find time to record or edit. Well Clay went and got a blood test on Friday and it turns out he has Chronic Leukemia. Obviously this was a big surprise, but they started treating him and he's already feeling a little better. Prognosis is looking good, but it'll be awhile before he's feeling back to normal. Anyway with that going on it's going to continue being sporadic posting for a while. I don't have any timeline yet, but once Clay's feeling back to normal we'll be back to posting regularly. Thanks for watching and we'll keep you updated!”
thanks for the reactions. this is a great show depicting real event and real people, their heroism and cravenness, as well as ingrained problems of a tottering bureaucratic state. however main narrative of the show is problematic because it is false and propagandist. this false narrative depicts scientists seeking truth at any cost, conducting an investigation against wishes of the state, and revealing the results at great risk to themselves (even of life and imprisonment). in fact, what happened at chernobyl and aftermath (now known and even accessible in west through books like midnight at chernobyl) on those main narrative points, was quite different (in fact almost 180 degrees different). investigation was done by state itself, and its findings were not hidden (in fact were used by defense rather than persecution at trial). nobody was at risk of back room execution, or imprisonment, because of investigation and a unnecessary and fictional dramatic revelation of findings. legasov (who was heroically responsible for some important aftermath decisions) was ostracized not by state, but by fellow scientists, who thought he was proposing reforms (not mentioned in show, some of them heroic in their own way) detrimental to status of scientists, and finding faults with other individual scientists (some of whom suffered and were fired because of this) who had earlier helped his career. his "tapes" were sent to editor of state propaganda newspaper pravda (and a fellow member of ruling faction like legasov himself), and not secretly dropped of to a possible clandestine dissidents. and yes rulers of that state were very fractured, far from monolithic, with lots of non fatal infighting, well before 1980s, and quite unlike how they are depicted in western propaganda ( as well as in this show), which almost always depict that state's political culture as if it was same as in 1930s. show chose to deliberately lie on those points. those lies are especially problematic in a show with theme of "cost of lies" .
6:20 while he is based on the real person, you need to remember that this is a tv show, with that said, he is dramatized. Other people that worked with him rport that he was strict, serious, and sometimes a bit arrogant, tho nothing like the show describes him, not a bully. The show makes him a villain who doesnt even care about the other workers, the way people from that time reported he did care for his coworkers, even until he died he kept defending that none of the workers in the control room made a mistake, that they all did everything right and the disaster wouldnt have happened if not for the flaws of the reactor. He even talked about the 2 people he sent to the reactor to lower the control rods manually, those are clearly he felt guilty for those men, in the way he talked about it at least, but also we need to remember that they all believed the reactor couldnt explode, not only Dyatlov believed that (as the show makes it look like) but all other workers firmly denied that possibility in the beginning. In the end, many characters are dramatized for the sake of entertainment. Dyatlov made mistakes and is someone to blame, but he was not the villain the shows makes you believe he was. Another example is Toptunov, the show makes it look like he was a newbie in the job, they said 4 months, but he actually started working there around 3-4 years earlier. Just remember that, as much they try to tell the exact truth, they still need to change things to make it more entertaining.
I don't know if you, for some reason or another, have a bias for Dyatlov or if there's anything else behind it, but you can't know this for sure either. I have read and heard witness accounts that pretty much confirms the picture the show gives of Dyatlov as well as statements more in favour of him. What is the truth? I have no idea, and unless you were in the room that night, neither do you.
@@roaringviking5693 My point is that who knew him described him in a way different of the show. Not about the arrogant part, they also would say he was arrogant, but the part where he would be throwing stuff to the other workers and all that. Also another big part of my point is that the show makes him like he would throw the other workers under the bus, which that part you dont need reports from other people, you just go and see that everytime he spoke about it, he defended the other workers (tho he also deffended himself while he did made quite a few mistakes). Basically my final point is that they shouldnt take what they see has the absolute truth, i also mentioned other parts (or maybe i just mention 1) where they also werent that close to the truth, but rather went for something that would impact more for a tv show (the thing i said about Leonid Toptunov is an example but there are a few more). My attempt by commenting that is that people should look for actual information before formulating an opinion and not do it based on the show. Idk if you noticed but there are quite a lot of people discussing this accident where all their information is based on the show, and that is somehow annoying (maybe just for me). Its not a matter of bias or anything like that. Dyatlov did made mistakes and he did deserve to be sentenced for that, what i meant is that what i already explained. To be honest im not very confident with my english, so maybe that is why it is hard to exprees what i want. maybe?
The firefighter’s wife did have another child, but he was not healthy. You might want to do more reading on the people who were portrayed in the show. The USA has had its problems. We had the Three Mile Island incident in the 1970s. And the largest contaminated nuclear site is Hanford in Washington state where the bombs for Hiroshima and Nagasaki were developed.
Note that according to the people who actually worked at the power plant and were present during the event, stated that how Dyatlov, Fomin and Bryukhanov were portrayed in the series is very much how the Soviet propaganda machine painted them and is almost complete lie of how they really were. Dyatlov was a dick, but he was also an incredible professional and took charge immediately when the disaster happened. He traveled through all the reactor rooms and helped the teams to safely severe connections with the damaged reactor section, keep the power running and assess the damage. Fomin and Bryukhanov also actively took charge and unlike depicted in the series, managed to avert further catastrophies. I had this impression of them before seeing the series and I was surprised on how they were shown here. I went back and read the witness statements from the workers (some high level officials that worked with Dyatlov) if I actually misunderstood but the show is ultimately dramatizing and in some cases, just lying. I'm just mentioning this as it is disrespectful to undermine their efforts during the disaster.
The disaster was not "cleaned up" by the Soviet Union...the Soviet Union collapsed. The people of the Ukraine and other areas of the Soviet Union did heroic things to contain the disaster, and built the initial containment structure. The people of Ukraine inherited the problem from the shit pile that was the USSR, and we owe them a debt for that. It was they that paid the greatest price long term, and the folks immediately downwind in Belarus, and I do not know that Russia provided any continuing aid or support to Ukraine in the cleanup after the collapse. It is actually the international community that constructed the containment and dismantling structure and continues to fund the cleanup. Of course...there really is not a plan to actually clean up Chernobyl...as far as I know, they are just working on the reactor cleanup, and there are no plans to actually decontaminate the areas of the exclusion zone. The plan is to leave it to nature to deal with the radiation.
It all played out a but different from the show dyatlov has an interview on TH-cam and only tried to clear the names of his team before he died they were a scapegoat and he said they didn't deserve to be remembered that way I beleave 20 to 30 questions of his were blocked by the judge since it questioned the design of the reactor
Dyatlov spent his remaining years trying to blame the reactor design for the accident. He defended his coworkers, but all through it he tried to defend himself by blaming the reactor. He wasn't completely wrong, the reactors were flawed, but, he was the one that got it to that point. He was not innocent by any measure
Twas an honor to watch with you, comrades
6:30 Yes, this is exactly how Dyatlov behaved that night. His colleagues remember him being hot-tempered, often using foul language in order to keep subordinates in line and really wanting to finish that test that night no matter what.
The series are not 100% historically accurate (probably about 50-60% of historical accuracy only), many things were changed for the sake of expressive artistic dramatisation, but the ideas, conclusions and the mood are absolutely up to the point. Generally, the story was told correctly. The scientific processes were 100% correctly represented. The destructive and secretive Soviet bureaucracy was 90% correctly represented (with only minor inconsistencies, for example people were not calling each other "comrades" so often, they actually hated the term (it was perceived to be cheesy and almost comical) and everyone was calling each other using either first name (friends) or using patronymic and first name (more official).
Enjoyed your reactions. If you guys are interested, HBO released a podcast about Chernobyl starring the creator of the show that really goes into how historically accurate they tried to be and why/when they went sideways of it. The comment that was mentioned in the beginning was from it.
main narrative of the show is problematic because it is false and propagandist. this false narrative depicts scientists seeking truth at any cost, conducting an investigation against wishes of the state, and revealing the results at great risk to themselves ( even of life and imprisonment). in fact what happened at chernobyl and aftermath (now known and even accessible in west through books like midnight at chernobyl) on those main narrative points, was quite different (in fact almost 180 degrees different).
show chose to deliberately lie on those points. those lies are especially problematic in a show with theme of" cost of lies" .
Great job guys. It has been nice to rewatch it with you and your sarcasm.
I agree their sarcasm is so enjoyable in these reactions.
Been waiting for this upload.
was a nice journey with u guys, epic series!
Whoa I just read about Pilgrim closing down in May of 2019. I remember the evacuation plans/maps in our school handbooks as a kid.
Good job, guys! The Chernobyl events are both my hobby and work (I'm the authorized guide to Chernobyl zone). I am happy to discuss this topic with those who are interested in it.
Were you guiding back in 2011 when I was there?
@@alanfoster6589 I started my Chernobyl career in 2016.
@@KyivandChornobyl Understood. Glad I got there. It's all fascinating.
“"That is something that we have to wrap our minds around. When these things happen, we cannot immediately ask this simple question, 'Well, who is to blame?' We should presume that there’s a lot to blame, and the real question is 'What do we do so this doesn’t happen again?' That’s the question worth asking."
During the behind-the-scenes interview, Mazin (writer/creator of HBO’s “Chernobyl”) said: "Dyatlov made decisions that no rational person ever should have made. He made crazy choices and in the trial, Dyatlov does say the following thing: 'I will not say that I am guilty, but I cannot say that I'm not.' I thought that was a remarkable expression of - at least the potential - of guilt. In its own way, the statement was very Soviet, to have it both ways."
Shame you didn't include Boris's testimony, just fascinating to see his character change from the first time we met him
Great reaction guys
My show of the year in 2019!
Are they ever going back to Fargo?
I’d love to see you guys watch outer banks!
Dyatlov was presented as a much worse of a person in the series than he actually was for dramatic purposes.
I mean, we don't know that for sure.
@@Hanadix what he is saying is based on what people that worked with or under Dyatlov said about him.
They describe him as strict, serious and a bit arrogant, but at the same time professional and someone that would care for their coworkers. So that is quite different from what the show says.
They also make Dyatlov trying to throw his team under the bus, by accusing them of making mistakes. That is also wrong. Until the day he died he kept deffending both Toptunov and Akinov (as well the other people in the room) saying they did nothing wrong and blamed the reactor design as the true cause of the accident.
Followon: The show made Lyudmila a celebrity. She had to move out of Kiev to escape the paparazzi. Nikolai Fomin broke his glasses and slashed his wrists in prison awaiting trial. He was released early for mental instability. He was let go from his job at the Kalinin reactor for the same reason.
Brukhanov was made a paper pusher in the Ukrainian Ministry of Trade. IMO he should have gotten more consideration. He was responsible for the construction of both town and reactor, begged, borrowed and stole the workers and materials, and had the flowers and trees put in. His only failing was not riding herd on Fomin closely enough.
Before sand was flown in, the residents were filling sand bags from the river banks. Not very well, because Scherbina roared at them "You're good at blowing up reactors, but you can't fill sand bags!"
Dyatlov's 35 years of previous experience was on nuclear subs. An admiral was invited to visit the reactor after completion. His reaction: "You're going to put that piece of shit into civilian use?" According to his colleagues, Dyatlov really was like that, although it's hard to imagine he could sustain that level of intensity every single day.
Chernobyl certainly didn't help Gorbachev, and the debt it caused was ruinous, but a bigger cause of the Soviet Union's collapse was his attempt to drastically restructure the command economy before it failed entirely. It only made things worse.
Concerning the Soviet bureaucracy, there's the tractor factory. They began construction, which immediately fell behind. But if you surfaced a problem, it was shoot the messenger--it was all your fault for making it real. So the paperwork moved forward on schedule. Finally the fire marshal showed up to inspect, and found a cement slab. That was how everything worked, not just Pripyat.
The reactor scenes are authentic because they were filmed in an RMBK reactor in Lithuania, which was being decommissioned as a prerequisite for Lithuania joining the European Union. The control rods had graphite tips because, when fully withdrawn, boron would have been exposed at the bottom, eating neutrons. The graphite tips were added in the interests of efficiency.
The big historical deviation was that Legasov wasn't at the trial. He was ostracized by the powers that be at the Institute, and was voted down for its directorship, which was a huge shock. Nobody knows how he distributed his tapes. But during glasnost, a portion criticizing the system was reprinted in Pravda.
The handling of the disaster, it sort of became the stereotype of the completely crazy bureaucracy the USSR had come to, and it is why it still lingers in the head of Gorbachev in 2006 and probably even today. The handling sparked so much lack of trust in the government when the policy of Glasnost came and there was freedom of the press and people suddenly saw the news of it.
I would love it if you guys reacted to the television shows The Great on Hulu and Hannibal on Netflix.
It's a story that definitely needs telling. That whole scene moments from disaster is such a dread honestly knowing how bad it all goes and it being easily avoidable. I think it's the same fascination with plane accidents, although luckily few of us will ever work at a nuclear factory. Being in charge of something as volatile as that would be a nightmare.
For anyone wondering where these guys have been, Clay was diagnosed with chronic leukemia and they hope to return once he’s feeling back to normal, but it will be awhile.
The full update post from their Patreon:
“Hey everybody, thought I'd give an update about why we haven't been posting much lately. Our goal when we started this was to get out 3 episodes a week, but for the last few weeks in particular we've been getting out maybe one.
The main reason we've slowed down so much is because Clay hasn't been feeling well. Clay and I (Corey) are roommates. The majority of our videos are recorded in his room and I do most of the editing on his computer. For the last couple of months Clay has been feeling progressively worse and because of that it's been more difficult to find time to record or edit. Well Clay went and got a blood test on Friday and it turns out he has Chronic Leukemia. Obviously this was a big surprise, but they started treating him and he's already feeling a little better. Prognosis is looking good, but it'll be awhile before he's feeling back to normal.
Anyway with that going on it's going to continue being sporadic posting for a while. I don't have any timeline yet, but once Clay's feeling back to normal we'll be back to posting regularly. Thanks for watching and we'll keep you updated!”
I’m very sorry to hear about Clay’s diagnosis. I will pray for Clay‘s strength and for his fast recovery.
since you’re his adopted family, I will pray for your strength to help support Clay during this difficult time.
Thank you for the update guys. And don’t worry about posting new videos. Your fans will be there when you all return.
-L
Are you aware that this is not on your playlist?
So no one’s gonna say it? Okay I will... Where the hell have you guys been?🥺
Exactly! Where are they? Likeee is something wrong? I wanna know 😭
@@itsmegeriac7186 That’s what I’m trying to figure out. Did something happen, too busy..Like I’m freaking out over here mann! 🤣
They posted this update on their patreon page towards the end of February:
“Hey everybody, thought I'd give an update about why we haven't been posting much lately. Our goal when we started this was to get out 3 episodes a week, but for the last few weeks in particular we've been getting out maybe one.
The main reason we've slowed down so much is because Clay hasn't been feeling well. Clay and I (Corey) are roommates. The majority of our videos are recorded in his room and I do most of the editing on his computer. For the last couple of months Clay has been feeling progressively worse and because of that it's been more difficult to find time to record or edit. Well Clay went and got a blood test on Friday and it turns out he has Chronic Leukemia. Obviously this was a big surprise, but they started treating him and he's already feeling a little better. Prognosis is looking good, but it'll be awhile before he's feeling back to normal.
Anyway with that going on it's going to continue being sporadic posting for a while. I don't have any timeline yet, but once Clay's feeling back to normal we'll be back to posting regularly. Thanks for watching and we'll keep you updated!”
@@brady3319 Oh wow, thank you for the update much appreciated.
thanks for the reactions. this is a great show depicting real event and real people, their heroism and cravenness, as well as ingrained problems of a tottering bureaucratic state.
however main narrative of the show is problematic because it is false and propagandist. this false narrative depicts scientists seeking truth at any cost, conducting an investigation against wishes of the state, and revealing the results at great risk to themselves (even of life and imprisonment).
in fact, what happened at chernobyl and aftermath (now known and even accessible in west through books like midnight at chernobyl) on those main narrative points, was quite different (in fact almost 180 degrees different).
investigation was done by state itself, and its findings were not hidden (in fact were used by defense rather than persecution at trial). nobody was at risk of back room execution, or imprisonment, because of investigation and a unnecessary and fictional dramatic revelation of findings.
legasov (who was heroically responsible for some important aftermath decisions) was ostracized not by state, but by fellow scientists, who thought he was proposing reforms (not mentioned in show, some of them heroic in their own way) detrimental to status of scientists, and finding faults with other individual scientists (some of whom suffered and were fired because of this) who had earlier helped his career. his "tapes" were sent to editor of state propaganda newspaper pravda (and a fellow member of ruling faction like legasov himself), and not secretly dropped of to a possible clandestine dissidents. and yes rulers of that state were very fractured, far from monolithic, with lots of non fatal infighting, well before 1980s, and quite unlike how they are depicted in western propaganda ( as well as in this show), which almost always depict that state's political culture as if it was same as in 1930s.
show chose to deliberately lie on those points. those lies are especially problematic in a show with theme of "cost of lies" .
You’re wrong, Doge coin is topical still. To the moon
See ya, Alice.
Guys you should react to 'Peaky Blinders'.
6:20 while he is based on the real person, you need to remember that this is a tv show, with that said, he is dramatized.
Other people that worked with him rport that he was strict, serious, and sometimes a bit arrogant, tho nothing like the show describes him, not a bully.
The show makes him a villain who doesnt even care about the other workers, the way people from that time reported he did care for his coworkers, even until he died he kept defending that none of the workers in the control room made a mistake, that they all did everything right and the disaster wouldnt have happened if not for the flaws of the reactor. He even talked about the 2 people he sent to the reactor to lower the control rods manually, those are clearly he felt guilty for those men, in the way he talked about it at least, but also we need to remember that they all believed the reactor couldnt explode, not only Dyatlov believed that (as the show makes it look like) but all other workers firmly denied that possibility in the beginning.
In the end, many characters are dramatized for the sake of entertainment. Dyatlov made mistakes and is someone to blame, but he was not the villain the shows makes you believe he was. Another example is Toptunov, the show makes it look like he was a newbie in the job, they said 4 months, but he actually started working there around 3-4 years earlier.
Just remember that, as much they try to tell the exact truth, they still need to change things to make it more entertaining.
I don't know if you, for some reason or another, have a bias for Dyatlov or if there's anything else behind it, but you can't know this for sure either. I have read and heard witness accounts that pretty much confirms the picture the show gives of Dyatlov as well as statements more in favour of him. What is the truth? I have no idea, and unless you were in the room that night, neither do you.
@@roaringviking5693 My point is that who knew him described him in a way different of the show. Not about the arrogant part, they also would say he was arrogant, but the part where he would be throwing stuff to the other workers and all that.
Also another big part of my point is that the show makes him like he would throw the other workers under the bus, which that part you dont need reports from other people, you just go and see that everytime he spoke about it, he defended the other workers (tho he also deffended himself while he did made quite a few mistakes).
Basically my final point is that they shouldnt take what they see has the absolute truth, i also mentioned other parts (or maybe i just mention 1) where they also werent that close to the truth, but rather went for something that would impact more for a tv show (the thing i said about Leonid Toptunov is an example but there are a few more). My attempt by commenting that is that people should look for actual information before formulating an opinion and not do it based on the show. Idk if you noticed but there are quite a lot of people discussing this accident where all their information is based on the show, and that is somehow annoying (maybe just for me).
Its not a matter of bias or anything like that. Dyatlov did made mistakes and he did deserve to be sentenced for that, what i meant is that what i already explained.
To be honest im not very confident with my english, so maybe that is why it is hard to exprees what i want. maybe?
The firefighter’s wife did have another child, but he was not healthy. You might want to do more reading on the people who were portrayed in the show. The USA has had its problems. We had the Three Mile Island incident in the 1970s. And the largest contaminated nuclear site is Hanford in Washington state where the bombs for Hiroshima and Nagasaki were developed.
Note that according to the people who actually worked at the power plant and were present during the event, stated that how Dyatlov, Fomin and Bryukhanov were portrayed in the series is very much how the Soviet propaganda machine painted them and is almost complete lie of how they really were.
Dyatlov was a dick, but he was also an incredible professional and took charge immediately when the disaster happened. He traveled through all the reactor rooms and helped the teams to safely severe connections with the damaged reactor section, keep the power running and assess the damage. Fomin and Bryukhanov also actively took charge and unlike depicted in the series, managed to avert further catastrophies.
I had this impression of them before seeing the series and I was surprised on how they were shown here. I went back and read the witness statements from the workers (some high level officials that worked with Dyatlov) if I actually misunderstood but the show is ultimately dramatizing and in some cases, just lying. I'm just mentioning this as it is disrespectful to undermine their efforts during the disaster.
The disaster was not "cleaned up" by the Soviet Union...the Soviet Union collapsed. The people of the Ukraine and other areas of the Soviet Union did heroic things to contain the disaster, and built the initial containment structure. The people of Ukraine inherited the problem from the shit pile that was the USSR, and we owe them a debt for that. It was they that paid the greatest price long term, and the folks immediately downwind in Belarus, and I do not know that Russia provided any continuing aid or support to Ukraine in the cleanup after the collapse. It is actually the international community that constructed the containment and dismantling structure and continues to fund the cleanup. Of course...there really is not a plan to actually clean up Chernobyl...as far as I know, they are just working on the reactor cleanup, and there are no plans to actually decontaminate the areas of the exclusion zone. The plan is to leave it to nature to deal with the radiation.
Remember this show is a dramatization and they changed much of what happened and turned Dyatlov into a evil person
It all played out a but different from the show dyatlov has an interview on TH-cam and only tried to clear the names of his team before he died they were a scapegoat and he said they didn't deserve to be remembered that way I beleave 20 to 30 questions of his were blocked by the judge since it questioned the design of the reactor
Dyatlov spent his remaining years trying to blame the reactor design for the accident. He defended his coworkers, but all through it he tried to defend himself by blaming the reactor. He wasn't completely wrong, the reactors were flawed, but, he was the one that got it to that point. He was not innocent by any measure
@@panzerwolf494 yes I only meant he didn't say it was their fault like in the show if they followed the rules it wouldn't have happened
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