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They were great when they came out. It was the wackiness of an adult swim show without getting uncomfortable. It was also exciting to see because I had been a fan of Roiland for a few years. I think the “you need to be smart to understand Rick and Morty” crap happened in season 3, when Roiland stopped a lot of his involvement anyway, and the writers seemed to lean into that.
@@seanlaffey3633thank you! I always felt Rick and Morty went from * athf * level of nonsense, to obnoxious*im so deep and clever* vibes, way to quick lol. Like past 2017 they are so full of themselves
@@seanlaffey3633 i just looked into it on know your meme and yep! it was when the third season had just started. which is strange because it feels like that copypasta has always been here atp
I really liked S1E1's Rick. He looked like he wasn't in control half of the time and that added tension because you wouldn't automatically assume he'd win. The scene when Morty's freaking out and Rick is just standing there with drool coming out of his mouth to me is still the funniest in the show.
For real. This show had a feeling of a 14 year old boy and his grandpa going on scientific adventures to a godlike all knowing grandpa taking the reins on every “adventure” him and morty have.
@@dingdongmus yeah he magically fixed it so well he just gave up on how well he fixed it and went to a new universe cuz he was scared of how he totally didnt ruin his reality and have to find a new one
Rick and Morty was too good, too fast and was given an unbearable amount of expectations to live up too. It grew self conscious, self serious and self loathing. It now oscillates between pandering to watchers and actively antagonizing them, spiteful over how much appealing to them still matters to it. It's a gifted kid burnout.
Basically turned into family guy, like how family guy they would jab eachother but at the end of the day they were a family who still loved eachother. Now it’s just everyone hates everyone and life sucks.
@@djLagwayEnjoyerimo Family Guy is better because they never took themselves seriously, Rick and Morty tries to make their family relationship plot deep and meaningful
The hatred for serialization really upsets me. Because they're the perfect show to be semi serialized. You could have your self-contained adventure of the week that isn't related to any of the other adventures. But have the effects of that adventure continue on to future episodes. And reveal small bits about the characters past in each adventure.
To be honest I actually think this so called hatred for serialization is an actuall part of the story not just a gag that writters keeps telling us so we don't demand serious plot. Rick somehow knows he is in a show.
He did say “he hates backstories” in a literary sense but that turned out to hide a tragic backstory so maybe him not wanting serialization could his detached literary-speak for “I don’t want to develop because I feel I am impossible to develop positively?”
Honestly if there should be a rick and morty rewritten and where I would change is after s2 and if I was the creator I would demand for theme to go full serialization if I knew what would happend and the show dilcene after s2 and just tell theme to suck it up
And in my s3 rewritten the frist thing I would do is to erase Rick's memories of everything up to this point to get rid of meta hummer and make rick forget that he's in the show and would have made the government alot more threatening than in s3 and 4
The problem is that it got flandered, it wasn't just the characters or the comedy EVERYTHING the whole show itself got so flandered it became a shell of its former self. Really great editing btw.
@@LunaMinuna I hate what they’ve done with Jerry’s character. He used to be a somewhat dimwitted yet good guy that was insecure about his place in the universe. He cared for Morty and Summer’s well-being and hated how much Rick tried to manipulate them into joining him on dangerous misadventures. And he used to be one of the few characters in the show that actually stood up to Rick despite his concerns being drowned out by deaf ears. In the season 2 finale, he was also the one person that managed to get through to Rick which is what caused him to turn himself into the government in order to ensure the safety of Jerry, Beth, Morty, and Summer. Yet season 3 (like the video pointed out) completely ignores this and reverts everyone back to worse versions of their former selves, only with little to no redeeming qualities.
@@_V.Va_ i always feel like a show can run for something like 5 or 6 seasons, because you can only tell so many stories, especially in a show that seems to hate serialization so goddamn much, the 100 episodes contract ruined this show big time, after season 3, i feel like it was supposed to be the turning point to go to the 2 or 3 last seasons, but then, oh no, we need to make 70 new episodes, season 4 feels like filler, 5 developed the show but at the cost of retcons and terrible episodes, and we have 5 seasons to go, and the show feels like it should end, it feels like an old dog that doesn't want to live anymore
I miss the Rick and Morty that were fleshed out in season one. Rick, being smart but not too bright, trying to connect with his grandson, but tripping over himself. It left lots of room for fun scenarios, character development, and actual risk. I hate how the character arcs all just end in "they're a stoic badass" by the end of the episode. Now everyone is "badass and cynical" and there's no charm.
All the characters now have 2 modes, "badass cynic" and "flanderized version of their worst traits from previous seasons were" while the series is trying too hard to be edgy and contrarian
I just been rewatching seasons 1-3, I hated the fan base at the time but the show was just too good, miss those days. And to be fair, even with all the character arcs in the recent seasons, I feel like if they brought out episodes a little more frequently and with not as long of a break between seasons, the audience wouldn’t hold them accountable for a couple bad episodes, but because we only get like 10 episodes then wait for 2 years, all we can remember is how ass it was 2 years ago and forget about all the great stuff about the show.
Wow the counterculture really has shifted from boasting about how smart the show was to complaining about how much worse it’s is compared to its glory days. Show is fine.
@@CJT49 it really isn't. Half the latest season was episodes that all ended with me thinking to myself "I can skip those whenever I get around to rewatching the series" Also, pretty sure pointing out that a show's not as good as it used to be isn't "counterculture" or "being contrarian" It's pretty much the norm for shows to decline, especially as the original creative force either gets burned out, spread themselves thin with other projects, gives too much control to new writers, and/or suffers too much studio interference.
@@InfernosReaper it's not that you are pointing out it's bad, it's the fact the show started getting very mainstream, and we are seeing an influx of these "show fell off" videos, with some extremely nitpicky and unnecessary complaints. Yes the newest season had some of the worst episodes, but they also had some of their best. They might be inconsistent with how good their episodes are. But I guess it's just easier to say the whole season is bad instead of just a few particular episodes. One could point out just as many problems with the earlier seasons, but I guess it's more about complaining for the sake of bias at this point.
I get the feeling that Dan Harmon's ability to self sabotage is on full display with Rick and Morty and is intentionally, whether consciously or subconsciously, trying to drive the show into the ground because he's either tired of doing it or afraid of the success
Idk man, I feel like Dan 100% would leave if he didn’t like wiring the show anymore. It seems like he just let this all get to his head and is blowing it
@@lynnwinters5387 Idk have you ever listened to his podcasts he's not exactly the most confident or least neurotic person in the room lol but I could also see him walking away just for the chaos lol so maybe you're right
@@ziggygunz2447 He's a mix of neurotically insecure and megalomaniac which I think explains some of the tonal inconsistency and the show's relationship to episodic storytelling. The quality inconsistency has a lot to do with Justin being completely checked out and Dan taking less time to hammer out and perfect episodes so they can deliver seasons on time and people can go home at 5.
@@ArchibaldClumpy yeah that sounds about right. Also I can't tell if Justin being forced out and replaced is going to end up being good or bad for the future of the show. It seemed like it had been in a death spiral with occasional opportunities to pull out but now we've got an X-factor to deal with and makes it even harder to predict. Maybe with some luck whoever takes over his voices ends up being a positive force that helps get things back on track but at the moment it's anyone's guess as to what will end up happening moving forward.
@@ziggygunz2447 It's a hard thing to say for sure. If it's true that Justin was checked out then it will just be the matter of a new voice actor, but clearly when he wasn't checked out he contributed some really good moments that didn't fit Dan's more regimented approach. The Nintendo DS interlude in the parasite episode is apparently something he had to fight Dan for 😂.
I think ricks backstory should’ve never been 100% revealed. I found it more interesting to get breadcrumbs and tidbits in dialogue throughout the seasons. Usually the imagination built from ambiguity is better than the actual answers.
And when it was revealed it should not have been revealed in a 55 second flashback that was a real dumb way of revealing the backstory And they even threw in a 4th wall joke that insulted their audience immediately after the flashback was over
Wonder if Harmon went back to slamming the sauce... 🤷♂️ looking back on his body of work he has historically afforded his audience plenty of faith in their ability to navigate the story without much/any hand holding or pandering. We've all got a certain number of stories in us, I suppose...
I suppose that’s the risk in dropping a backstory - in the sense that sometimes it’ll ruin a lot of investment and that insatiable feeling of chasing and theorizing many of us get invested in. So once the mystique is gone, unless what you’ve presented can actually stand on its own or have a greater weight or keep the momentum, it’ll feel lesser than by comparison
I’m so baffled by the inconsistency of this show. Like how can the same team write that god awful dragon episode or the sperm shit and then turn around and write the Vat of Acid episode.
I actually thought the Vat of Acid episode is just as bad as those other two. It's a half-written episode with a manipulative emotional scene fooling you into thinking they're developing Morty's character when it's really just leading up to a flat joke about Rick always being right.
@@fivestarman1291 i dont care what you say, that was the best joke about returning to the status quo when jerry hits the button and resets morty's life and morty keeps trying to get back that happiness
@@fivestarman1291 Honestly, same. Vat of Acid is what made me give up hope for Rick and Morty, because it wants you to think it's being clever, and then nope, status quo.
Either they have a gross episode like that, or a confusing one like the anthology train trying to show how deep/smart they are. I thought it was just me who had to watch it a couple times to get it, but no there's an entire reddit thread about it.
This shows quality is 100% dependent on Harmons mood. This is well documented that whenever he has a political or drug fueled meltdown, he just uses the show to vent. And it creates....well, yeah
I think comparing season 1's Raising Gazorpazorp (sex robot episode) and season 5's horse semen episode is a really good way to see just how far the show has declined and in what ways. The two episodes have fairly similar concepts and "gross-out" factors regarding pubescent boys, and yet the difference in quality is pretty stark.
The biggest issue with season 5 I noticed is how they make almost every episode into some big theatrical plot. If they just kept it simpler and made more organic episodes like the tiny Rick episode fans would appreciate it more.
The Harmon cycle strikes again: Be clean and focused, make good show, start doing lots of drugs and alcohol, bipolar disorder flares up, become less involved in show, do dumb controversial things, writing staff sucks, makes the show suck, hate self even more, do even more drugs and alcohol, death spiral to rock bottom, start over again with a new show.
Rick and Morty just became the most unlikeable versions of themselves as possible. And their bond became next to nonexistent. It’s like they don’t even like each other anymore. They hardly even had any screentime together in s5. Their bond was the whole bread and butter of the show.
Rick and Morty has put out so much terrible merchandise over the years that's all over the place. It's one of the most consumerism obsessed shows I've ever seen.
It's goddamn ironic that the more merchandise and product placement-ier the show got the worse the quality became. Fuck, the merchandise went from "hey, I could wear/own this in my home," to "I wouldn't want this ten feet near my house." Hell, even the commercials went from "We're a promo commercial," to "DING DING DING HEY LOOK WE'RE PRINGLES AND WE'RE ROBOTS DESIGNED TO SELL CHIPS..." and it just gave me a goddamn migraine after a while.
Rick and Morty was a fun show in the earlier seasons before they lost the plot after S3, nowadays it’s utterly mediocre unless Morty is the one getting actual character development.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo Yeah sure let’s blame all of it on that instead of the fact that most of the writers on this show forgot what made their show good in the first place
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo ah yes, blaming "wokeness" and "diversity hires" for the main problem with rick and morty's writing despite the real problem being the writers' ego and confusion over whether they want the show to be episodic or serialized. great way to lead into discussion, i'm sure of it. 😑
Yes. R&M has become so pretentious. After watching Community last year, I feel as though Harmon has tendency to start a show with a great idea and great humor, from a relatable standpoint that breaks through to how the viewer thinks, but then if the show gets successful after a couple seasons he starts believing HE is smarter than the audience and seems to have a disdain for them. I just start getting the feeling watching both shows that the writers think they are better than me and incredibly narcissistic
Harmon needs to just write shorter shows lmfao doesn't seem like he can stick with a show too long without beginning to hate it or the people who watch it
What do you expect from a dude who gives TED talks on "The Harmon Story Circle" where he word for word quotes Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey without a hint of irony?
I would say after season 3 a lot of peoples interest in the show, mine included, declined significantly. It started to become somewhat cringy, it felt like they were trying too hard to be over the top and witty. It just turned into a mess in my opinion.
In season 3 we started to get shit-tier episodes, but it overall the season was saved by some great episodes and probably the best in the series "Ricklantis" by season 4 we got a couple of good and 1 great episode and the rest shit. Each season we got fewer and fewer good quality episodes.
Definitely the case for me. I vividly remember the feeling of binging the whole season and growing increasingly irritated. Vindicators 2 my attention vanished completely. Hate that episode. I had food poisoning and wanted to watch something funny, I just was left annoyed and kind of depressed.
It really is a shame how far the shows gone down the deep end. It’s a show that I loved for its humor and unique ideas but for it to become the antithesis of it is sad
They could have done a lot of things with this series: explore the idea of Evil Morty and its possible connection to the smartest Rick in the universe, the psychological evolution of the characters, what really happened to Rick's wife... And they decided to focus on the grotesque and easy jokes they sell... Too much untapped potential
Couldnt have said it better. Im surprised he never mentioned the gap between se 3 y 4 thats when they lost me what was it two years or more? Also i wanted toa see evil morty, they teased an arc but didnt have the balls or ability to make it happen. Ty.
Imagine if Goku always had the dragon balls, and just decided to use them arbitrarily depending on the episode. That's how little weight and tension this show has anymore
I don't think it's fair to compare the Dragon Ball franchise with tension, it's pretty slow paced compared to Rick and Morty, but at least it works in its favour.
A good part of what made the show fail imo is how many episodes simply devolved into “hey you know this cool thing people like? Well I’m going to spend 30 minutes talking down to you about why I think that thing is utterly stupid trash and how this show is so smart”
@King Henry V Daria's cynicism wasn't meant to be aspirational. Everyone around her was a counterpoint to her sarcasm and lack of social skills. In fact, her cynicism was regularly cited as a negative quality. At the same time she was smart, empathetic and grew through the series to appreciate those around her as she matured. In other words, she was a teen, and Jane in particular was the softer edge that made the dynamic, and by extension the show, work. Her hating everything wasn't talking down to people for liking those things because she wasn't seen as "better" for not liking the same. That's why even the "bad" characters like the Fashion Club had their positive points sometimes. R&M is the opposite of that. There isn't really any growth, because the more the family is exposed to Rick and his world, the more jaded and condescending they become. They adjust to a universe where they are only out for themselves. Summer might be the best example of that mentality. And it is presented as a good thing in a way because that makes them smarter and more capable, with the ability to live on as each new reality falls without consequence to the core family. It is Daria if Daria's cynical assholishness was celebrated. Only ironically, in a way that pointed to the viewer and sneered.
I think the story train episode is the perfect example of this. I've never seen an episode shit on the media pushing hard for their agendas, while also standing on a soapbox disguised as a casual rant about whatever the writers hate. Hell, there isn't even an attempt for smart criticism either. Don't bother making a distinction between bad implementation and bad writing, Just make summer and beth shoot crotch lasers and default the bible as the worst written book ever solely based on the fact that you're atheist. Wasn't the title of "Reddit Mod" something we all wanted to avoid?
I think the 70 episode order also contributed to decline in quality. Before if the ratings were good enough, they'd get renewed one season at a time. Now that they're greenlit until Episode 101 the incentive isn't there because there's no threat of cancellation.
I think that letting the smith family get use to ricks crazy life was part of the down fall also. It was great how the family didnt know how to handle alien invasions and they used what they had to defend themselves from ricks madness. Now they're just used to it. It's to the point where they are fully aware of ricks modifications on the house, they know how to operate his ship, and they're not phased whenever an alien enters the house. I personally liked watching the family not know how to use ricks inventions and cause problems for themselves.
At some point, people do adapt to things. The problem is the way the adjustment goes too far into blasé reactions that make everything feel too trivial
I think what happened to Rick and Morty is that its own popularity caught the fuck up with it and everyone is spouting that nilhilistic shit now so its impact isn't seen as special anymore and they're absolutely schizophrenic about it. That, and how you feel about Rick and Morty's decline is how I felt regarding the CW's attempt to drag the Powerpuff Girls back from the grave and how I currently feel regarding Hulu's Futurama graverobbing.
The entire problem with Rick & Morty is Dan Harmon... what's happened to Rick & Morty is the same thing that happened to literally all the shows Dan Harmon created & more importantly wrote for. He loses interest somewhere around the 3rd season. Period. End of story.
The main problem is that they seem to hate their fans. First, portraying fans that don't like serialization as Nazis, then mocking fans that like serialization in continuity train. So, who is the show for? Fans of serialized episodes or fans of non serialized episodes?
A big problem with me is that some of the jokes fall flat because the show creators are pretty pedantic and political but not in a funny way. For example, this is their own public opinions btw, they think it's funny how Jerry becomes good at survival because he is homeless, and for them survival in the wilderness is the same as being homeless .... no they weren't joking. Did someone found the feminist jokes in the horse sperm episode funny ? Because I didn't. I pretty much never saw someone dismissing a women's opinion just because they are women. And it's so dumb when some of the most powerful figures in history have been women. Then, in the last episode of seaon five, the creators went on a rant in the credits about how the whole episode was a critique of capitalism and how all the system needs to be left behind ( luckily the episode kind of works without the dumb analogy because the analogy fails completely ). The fun thing is, nothing is stopping anyone from leaving capitalism behind. Anyone can found a city through voluntary work and have a public ownership of the means of production. No one does it because it always fails.
The first two seasons had a lot of heart. Everything after made this whole point of saying “nothing matters” which is when things started going downhill and the heart was lost.
Something I noticed when watching Season 5 is that the characters reference and mention previous episodes and moments in the series way more than usual, if done at all, so that the show's world gives off the impression that those moments did indeed happen, instead of feeling like Family Guy does where each episode just happens and its world doesn't evolve from that episode, making it more self-contained. The problem in doing is that it clashes the two methods of episodic creation used in Rick & Morty where an episode is either a solo episode dedicated to being "funny goofy Rick & Morty adventure" or "this episode is one of many that when combined will create a serialized story so that our show actually has a plot". In short, Rick & Morty suffers from the TV equivalent of Ludonarrative Dissonance in video games.
Stuff like this makes me appreciate Gravity Falls even more. Short and sweet with a compact and engaging story with lovable characters from beginning to end.
Idk. I love gravity falls but sometimes Mabel makes me want to rip my hair out. The show was so short that the writers sacrificed her development for Dippers, because there just wasn’t enough time to let them both grow. I wish it had had three seasons, like Avatar the Last Airbender. Short and sweet but not so short that writers run out of sufficient time for all their characters.
@Ratafak Plachta It's the exact opposite though? It's very very clearly written by men. Every girl character is written so meanly and they're all constantly fighting each other. This is far from feminist lmao.
I really really hope the writers can get it together. I think the show could still be saved, but I’ll always be sad about the letdown that was the squandered potential of the season 2 finale
@@superfzzbigmuff7375 even if you learn someone else’s work it’ll never be the same. That feel of the first two seasons was made by the original writers and show runners, once they left it was never gonna be the same
If you want an Adult Swim show which starts off with episodic writing, moves into a serialized storyline, and keeps up a near consistent high quality of writing, may I suggest The Venture Bros? My only warning is that it's a bit of a slowburn, but besides that it's truly fantastic.
The sperm episode killed the show for me quicker than any other episode of any other show. I can usually tolerate shock humor but this one in particular made me feel dirty just for watching it. It's a problem facing a lot of adult animation where they try to prove they are for adults by showing the crudest and vilest things and it's never funny.
@@FalseHoodx aren't young teenagers the biggest fans of such topics? Adult shows expand in many different directions since boobs and sperm on the screen aren't embarrassing for a "relatively mature" person. I guess, for "adults", it's much more shocking to see a show that honestly portrays issues of toxic dynamics of people unable to maintain relationships, substance abuse, awkward sex and dysfunctional families; to see our secrets and failures applied on other characters presented from cruelly direct perspective. It's nothing anyone is proud of and everyone keeps it to themselves. People know about reproductive organs since young age - everyone learns at different pace but it doesn't take 18 years for teenager to know about bodily fluids. This kind of humour on TV has shocking value to teenagers since they haven't seen anything like that on Bob the Builder. It takes special talent to write such jokes that work and have some substance behind them. Being disgusted by sperm episode, doesn't mean that a person is too innocent; it's just a preference. Especially, if they sat to watch R&M, not Family Guy. Spermgate is not about creators crossing the line and being too graphic. People are just disappointed in them for loosing touch with the show and see their attempt in primitive absurdity as a failure.
I just wanna put it out there - Venture Bros. has done almost literally everything Rick and Morty has done and significantly better. It stayed relatively consistently good all throughout the show's run. It never felt too up it's own rectum, it just wanted to tell its story. It's a huge underrated Adult Swim gem that I only found after Rick and Morty's fall.
What about Regular Show? It had 8 seasons and I never seen a person here in TH-cam saying that Regular Show has suffered seasonal rot. Edit (01/03/2021): Sorry for my mistake for saying that Regular Show is an Adult Swim show When I made this comment, I just wanted to say a show that had many seasons that has not suffered seasonal rot and i didn't pay attention when the original comment said "Adult Swim show". Sorry for my mistake.
Since robot chicken is a complete joke the show could’ve been canceled late 2000s in but decided to continue on to this very day *god I hate this show*
I’m not even against poking fun at serialization in cartoons, since I believe a lot of cartoons in the 2010s-2020s have been obsessed with following the template left by GF and SU, but the way Rick & Morty does it comes off as overly bitter and obnoxiously tryhard.
@@josesosa3337 they mean the poking fun at the viewer whenever over arching stories and themes pop up like the story train episode, watch that and you will understand why people think rick and morty hates serialization
I’m surprised how to this day I can still get so much enjoyment out of the first two seasons, even catching details and jokes I never saw before. I cannot say the same about season’s three to five which have about 5 episodes in total I genuinely love.
I think one of the biggest problems was just they never carried anything between episodes. Once they threw in their required 1 plot sustaining episode a season, they never mentioned any consequences or chances that happened. It just went back to the same dynamic that was just broken minutes before. They also simply didn't think shit through. Many instances showed the writers just forgot what they had previously said.
I could be wrong since i haven't watched season 6, but i SWEAR Rick said earlier in the episode where he's interrogated by the galactic federation that he MADE UP THE BACKSTORY PLOT!!!! But now it was actually what happened????? It honestly pissed me off a bit because i personally value story over most things and ive honestly just given up on the show Mostly. Im keeping my rick and morty blanket though. Also just heard the part in the video where he says this same point lol.
Tbh as much as I get the criticism about the therapist I just fucking love Rick being taken down a pet. It’s absolutely cathartic for me to see this character get played off as a God more often then not get absolutely called out for what he is A small, cynical man who hides being cosmic absurdism to not have to acknowledge his own gaping limitations
@@Verasoul this person was trying to share his opinion and made a mistake, and you ignored everything he was saying just to point it out to be a jerk. He didn’t even get mad. Don’t take people like that for granite.
I agree. I also think it’s nice that the show based around nihilism showed therapy in a good light, especially considering how many people in its audience really need it.
With the show establishing Rick's relationship with Beth being abusive and neglectful only for them to essentially reveal that the Rick we follow wasn't responsible for any of it because his real kid died I was so infuriated. It would have been more compelling if Rick did have some responsibility in the death of his wife and kid because it would fit with his self loathing character
Rick abandons the whole family except Morty in season 1. Them trying to make it out like we are supposed to care about him and Beth later on always felt tacked on
I have heard people point out that the show started picking up new writers after season 2, and that some of those writers were given a lot of creative freedom. People not being on the same page could explain a lot of this inconsistency, as well as show they think they only need to throw crap at the wall for writing. Also it only takes one pretentious fool who thinks themselves clever with no leash to make something like "Pickle Rick" or any of the other truly awful episodes. Not sure if it's true but it would explain a lot.
One thing I remember very distinctly, when season 3 was being shown off, was that people shat on the new writers for the issues with it. It was toxic, shitty, and a lot petty, but we got a lot of important info out of it. Namely, that most of the material in the show is created in the writer's room collaboratively. This is something that's been emphasized again and again. What I think happened was that, in the jump from season 2 to 3, the perspective of (and size of) the writing room had shifted. It wasn't a small group of writers tossing fun ideas to each other with different perspectives and ideas, it became a larger room filled with people who, while they still all had their own interpretations, now had to prove it to that many more people. I don't think this in of itself is an issue, it can lead to more varied dynamics and situations. What does make it an issue though, is if there's a power imbalance in that. If a showrunner + writer has a small group of writing partners they collab with, there's not much shame in shutting down bad ideas. If a showrunner + writer has a full room of writers, suddenly it becomes harder to tell them no. Regardless of how good a writer is, having that one perspective dominate the discussion can create all sorts of issues, especially in a show like Rick and Morty. And I think we do have evidence to support this. Dan Harmon has gone on plenty of times about his opinions on storytelling, and his preferences towards extreme nihilist comedy over character writing. Do some people enjoy that style of writing? Absolutely, but it's a very hard sell when so much of the show needs a balance, at least as it's been established. (Also, while I do cite Dan Harmon specifically for this, there's a chance many of the other writers very much believe the same, and it's not a power balance issue, but the remaining fault still remains) With that interpretation also comes a slew of new questions, namely "why do some episodes still focus on the character moments, while others mock it." (also, from here on I'm speculating on top of speculations, please take it with a grain of salt the size of Texas) I think that the remaining character moments in Rick and Morty are done by specific writers, trying to bargain their ideas into the show. Whether that be because Dan's vision dominates it, or many of the writer's share the same vision, I think that specific writer or writers want to sneak their own character moments into the show with the concession of "wouldn't it be funny if..." My reasoning for this is that Ricklantis Mixup is in season 3. "Wouldn't it be funny if... a whole episode was dedicated to an artful exploration of a new society of Rick and Morty's, and we had no jokes the entire time." The episode is so unprecedented that I cannot believe for a second it was created unironically. I think that one of the writers' had a genuine passion for the world, presented it, and justified it's existence by its irony. "Wouldn't it be funny if... we made an episode that was genuinely beautiful as standalone art. and then showed that it didn't matter." Every time a character says something of value, or does something of value, I always put it into this context. "Oh, the two Beths both exist and did something in this episode? Imagine how lame it would be if we followed this up unclimactically. That'd definitely show it didn't matter." "What if we teased a resurrected bird person, but we took away all the dramatic stakes from it just to make it less satisfying, gotta make sure it doesn't actually matter in the long term." "What if we changed the entire dynamic of the show, then reverted it super unsatisfyingly, to show it didn't matter?" "Oh, a world where Rick can't use his typical science gadgets? He adapts immediately and becomes a badass science sorcerer, but only if it's the least satisfying way we can do it. Also add horny dragons." (I think the horny dragons were unintentionally unfunny, but I think the rest of the episode's issues were intentional) It sounds almost conspiratorial, I know, but stick with me on this one. The train episode proves this for me. While the episode itself is rather solid, and the comedy is pretty good, the implications of the ending bits are massive. Rick and Morty get zapped for all their "story potential," and the only way they can stop it is by running it into the ground by being obnoxious. They zoom out and Rick makes an over-merchandising joke while being creepy even by his standards. Given that this whole episode was a retry of a "corrupted Hero's Journey" (see The Vindicators), this episode was probably under more scrutiny than any other episode, and thus, is a better reflection of the show's direction as a whole. Yet, the only takeaway there is, for the entire episode, rounds off to "wouldn't it be funny if... nothing mattered?" The train scene by itself was enough to prove this, but the zoom out and weird Rick behavior serves *only* to confirm this. The intentional takeaway of the episode is exactly that nothing matters. The intentional takeaway of the show is that nothing matters. And while it's in the context of humor, it's more like one big anti-joke. It's not a joke, it's a statement. "Wouldn't it be funny if nothing mattered."
@@nyahnyahson523 weird thing the whole, wouldn't it be funny if nothing matters, is something I can get behind, Rick and Morty already isn't standard television in that it comes and goes like dead beat dad, so when it comes back I have a few laughs then promptly forget about it, this worked to its favor back in seasons 1 and 2 but come the end of 2 it got popular and I genuinely think the writers do hate that fact given how every time they do something world changing they undermine it the next episode or even the end of the season, I think the main issue with reviewers is both annoyance with fans overhyping the show as better than it is but also feeling like the writers view all their fans as the same annoying people that want things to change, everyone, everyone brings up how much they hate the baby episode and love the rick backstory episode and to me I just saw the baby episode as the writers blowing off some steam, not every episode needs to be a banger not every episode needs to move the story along, people see the whole facist Morty as a substitute for the fans when I just see it as a way to make fun of constraints when making a product people hounding you to things you'd rather do on your own terms Rick and Morty honestly should have stayed niche, it should have never gained more people in the writers room and while people say change is necessary I don't think its out of fear of woke as much as it is something being unrecognizable as it once was
Ryan Ridley and Kaufman were literally the only two competent regular writers on the show, and they stopped after the second season. The whirly dirly conspiracy *feels* like it's a season 2 episode trying to break itself out of the trash, it was so close, and that just so happened to be the last time Ridley was a writer.
From the meta standpoint, the finale of season 5 is so weird. Evil Morty escaping the Central Finite Curve is basically writers running away from canon that they established, which is only the way it is thanks to them. It's another self-pity move like they're saying "we explained everything in the most spiteful way towards the fans, we left the stories that bound us behind, NOW we can do anything".
@@stevenmark4407 Weird you're saying that when story episodes are peak of R&M when done right. Both citadel episodes from S1&3 and the finale of season 2 are one of the best episodes in the series. You can also do the episodic format from time to time. The parasite and miniverse episodes from season 2 are also among the best despite being self-contained adventures. Those two formats aren't the opposites.
Rick and Morty *WAS* good with its first 3 seasons but it just…overstayed it’s welcome and became way too annoyingly nihilistic, cynical, and meta which makes Smiling Friends all the more of a superior fresh breath of air
Would have been better if they moved to smaller segments that aren't conected(robot chicken style), switched between radically different Ricks/Morties each episode, or actually followed the plot consistantly.
I think a good indicator of this show’s decline is the fact that, if you zone out from the audio and take a look at what’s on screen, a lot of clips from the recent seasons show the characters with the same annoyed, bitter “rant face”. In the earlier seasons, the family genuinely loved each other and there were a lot of moments where you could see that love and trust in their faces. But now, the only times the characters look happy or sincere is when the joke is on them. The rest of the time they alternate between annoyed, afraid, and depressed. It truly looks like you’re seeing the family lose their souls season after season and fall into a bitter, angry depression. I wish that Rick and Morty regains some optimism or sincerity in season 6, but I no longer have hope. At least we have Smiling Friends now to fill that void.
Sounds like family guy. Peter used to be a loving, albeit stupid, father. Now-a-days every member of the family lives to spite the other. Simpsons does the same thing.
@@sleepwalking117 Beth also is more caring towards Morty when in earlier seasons she acted like she didn't give a shit most of the time about him. I feel like these ppl are misunderstanding what the actual decline was in R&M and misremembering how the actual characters were
Did ya forgot the part where Rick and Morty literally hopped dimensions because Rick fucked up so royally so they went to a universe where Beth and Jerry were more at each other's throats? Now they're more accepting of each other and literally think about each other's well being
You know, an aspect I used to love about Rick and Morty was that Jerry was a dick, but one you could understand. Everyone always wants to be a Rick, maybe even a Beth or even a Morty. But the vast majority of people would be like Jerry, and that's not SUPPOSED to be a bad thing. When it comes down to it, Jerry generally does have the best interests at heart for his family. His worst moments is when he actually gets recognized and his ego balloons out of control as a result of having too much sips of the fine wine Rick gets drunk off of on an average basis. Rick is not supposed to be replicable, and I felt like that message was that Jerry was a believable response to being an in-law to one of the most insane scientists in the universe. But now he's just kind of a one-note joke. He's inherently pathetic to everything around him, yet nobody can see why having someone who wishes to return to normalcy is inherently a bad thing. He's tacked on as a punching bag who wants to be Rick, when atleast before he used to be a mortal being who had to cope with who's effectively a super-smart demon.
Most people are not like Jerry. Most people are not morons, but are just confused or depressed and insecure. If anything, most people are like Beth and Morty, and well, also like Rick minus the supposed scientific genius. Because Rick is an "idiot" too.
@@midasiscariot Jerry wasn't a moron before season 3. He was a normal thickheaded person who was in over his head but had the best interests of his family at heart.
I believe the creators got spooked by their own fanbase and tried to reign things in, but only ended up watering down and censoring themselves. They sold themselves out.
Rick and Morty is like if you started listening to a rock band. The songs are great! Then, they start making some absolute bangers, and you're all like "Oh man, this band knows exactly what rock fans want to hear!" Then you go to a concert and the band plays your favourite song, but then mocks you for listening to rock instead of classical music.
moral orel ran so rigormortis could crawl across the floor and cry. actually believable family conflicts, really good over arching storyline, psychological nuance and amazing commentary on modern christianity that doesn’t alienate actual christians. not to mention its hilarious. watch moral orel thanks for coming to my ted talk
I hated the name and characters in Moral Oral. Shit animation as well. Just my opinion. Have a good time watching it, ill try it again but make it a point to focus on the characters development rather than the flaws.
@@SSFhighcommandJOHN I don’t know I won’t lie, I think smiling friends is a lot like Rick and Morty, but faster paced. I would rather watch Rick and morty though…. Or I would if they did hate their audience :
I was like Hey that ASHES ON THE FIRE arrangement sounds similar, and I realize it was my arrangement XD Thanks for using my music and crediting me in the description box! I was strolling around TH-cam and stumbled on this video so discovering you using my arrangement is seriously just a coincidence!
I think peak Rick and Morty was the Interdimensional TV episodes. It was so cool to see the writters come up with less-than-a-minute segments and build an entire episode with them. Things started to feel were going south when they replaced the one episode formula that didn't had much of Rick and Morty into... clip show of Rick and Morty
I definitely did enjoy when Rick would be outmatched and then desperately start yelling "Run Morty! You have to run!" The point SHOULD be that Rick is a piece of shit and the show should prove that constantly by showing him lose due to him being a piece of shit. The Cronenberg episode was the best example of that. It did that in the earlier seasons. But, that is lacking in the later seasons.
Hope your muscles get better after all that hard work. Anyway, it's like EmpLemon said in his Rick & Morty video, the third season (namely a certain pickle-themed episode) just threw away a key component as to what made the first two seasons so compelling, the family dynamics of the Smith family, and instead have Susan Sarandon just outright explaining what people should interpret about the show as well as changing Rick's character motivations, making him an all-powerful god, more powerful than Haruhi goddamn Suzumiya, which isn't nearly as compelling as S1-2! Anyway, amusing and entertaining vid as always!
I know this is unrelated, but I’d like to point out that your editing and your humor has evolved GREATLY since the last time I watched one of your videos. This video is genuinely funny and I enjoyed it :D Unsubscribed.
Watching this made me think back on The Venture Brothers, and how that show masterfully handled the serial and episodic balance without ever insulting the audience for caring or falling into the trap of turning into a melodramatic soap opera. I think a large part of that is due to the fact that it was always written by just two guys with a clear vision for what they want to create.
To bad Adult Swim cancelled it because it wasn't a giant money maker. Reminder: unless there's cocaine covered gold plated hookers to snort meth off of with 1 million dollar bills at the end of the journey network executives and investors give no fucks
@@salsamancer there are rumors of a VB movie that will tie everything up. I'm dying to know what Hank is up to after the season 7 ending. People say that the bear is actually Dean and Hanks mom
Honestly my reason for dropping off of the Show, was because it just takes soooo long to make another season for Rick and Morty, it's gotten to the point where I'll wait a few years until the show is finished, or has reached a good number of seasons where I can just binge watch it.
We can all agree (and you don't need a High IQ to understand) that the first two seasons of Rick and Morty were amazing, but since then, the series has been a mixed bag of mediocrity.
First 4 seasons were amazing. I still love rick and Morty, but their last season was weakest. There were no flaws in S1-S3 (👯♂️), lol. To each their own
Now I'm wondering...shouldn't all the other Ricks also have resurrected through the same Project Phoenixes? Like...all the ones Rick and Evil Morty have killed on the citadel? All alive, or they should be?
they showed that evil morty apparently redirected all the project phoenix chambers to that citadel blender where they were killed again, so i guess not
Perhaps many of them did. At least before the episode of evil Morty redirecting their programs to blender Chambers. Maybe some of them even had their old Phoenix program destroyed or maybe it was decommissioned for me and. Ended up going through other Phoenix programs in other universe it's just like Rick did in that one episode. I can probably go on and on about the possibilities. Especially in a world with infinite universes.
@TsuyoiOfFreedom3 and in one episode in like season 3 or 4, can't remember. Rick mentions he axed the Phoenix program. So presumably lots of other Rick's did too. Some didn't and they got blended in season 5
Rigamortus is a show that is depressing to watch. I remember rewatching Season 5 because of how disappointed I was the first time and it just filled me with such emptiness. It's like watching your best friend become more and more addicted to crack until you can't recognize them anymore. It's sad to even think about. And it hurts even more to see Rick and Morty as what it is nowadays considering how refreshing and well-written the first two seasons were. I used to consider it one of my favorite cartoons of all time. Knowing how there are 50 episodes left that were ordered, or more precisely, 5 more seasons, I can't imagine the show getting better or attempting to go back to basics. I can only imagine Richard and Mortimer succumbing to a deep depression of self-hatred until it finally pulls the trigger on itself and is left with a legacy of mediocrity and failure rather than its moment in the spotlight. (That was a really bleak statement, holy shit.)
"I can only imagine Richard and Mortimer succumbing to a deep depression of self-hatred until it finally pulls the trigger on itself and is left with a legacy of mediocrity and failure rather than its moment in the spotlight." Geez, imagine if the final scene of a final episode was a dark room with rotting, decrepit Rick and Morty, both of them looking incredibly unrecognizable from their previous selves. Imagine them spouting out various catchphrases and quips, trying to bring attention to their former fans. Imagine Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland walking towards them with a stoic look on their faces. Imagine Justin looking at his creations with utter disappointment, while Dan looks at them with simple apathy. Imagine Dan raising a gun at these things, and pulling the trigger on both of them. So ends the legacy of Rick and Morty. Holy shit, that was a bleak reply.
Honestly my favorite episode is when morty takes Rick on an adventure and it goes wrong. It was just such an interesting episode of Rick actually caring about mortys adventure near the end and then him killing the jellybean without making it a joke or even telling morty- it just hit different. Or similar episodes like the purge where Rick doesnt telling morty that the candy bars weren’t the cause, or the time episode where he gave up his time collar. I don’t see that kind of emotional anything in the show between rick or morty and it really did become “everyone hates everyone but with meta humor.”
I agree with most of your points, but my understanding as to why Beth loved Jerry was because he made her feel like she mattered. That she spent so much of her life chasing Rick's approval...Only to find out if she was the clone and he knew she found out he would kill her. It wasn't exactly written well but that was my understanding why she ran to Jerry, because he legitimately does love her and she realised what a shitty, horrible father and human being her dad Rick is, and how he has no attachment to her whatsoever and sees her was expendable. I also really didn't like Summer in the episode where she turns herself giant (and Beth turns her inside out) as it makes her into a massive fucking hypocrite. She literally cheats on Ethan behind his back in episode 2 and we're meant to sympathise with her when he dumps her. And feel he is deserving of being Cronenberg'D by Morty when everyone ignores how she cheated on Ethan and he never found out about it. All we have to go on is Summer's reasoning why they broke up since we never get Ethan's side of the story.
I must say it’s very saddening to see what this show’s become. Seasons 1 and 2 have always been great to rewatch but the rest of it doesn’t even resemble the same show. I’ve never really experienced seasonal rot like that before so it kinda stings lmfao rip.
rick and morty feels like a metaphor for the last few years. finally something good and fun that makes you optimistic about the state and quality of things. makes you happy. then it just gets bad but you try to hold on to it.then it gets worse and you leave it be. and then it just exists, dead and empty, maybe with flickers of the original joy coming out sometimes. it just feels like this is how ive been experiencing the last decade lmao
S3E1 is where it died. The story development was going so well and the characters were evolving on a great arc, and then this episode came along and reset everything. The entire season 3 was just a cringy self destructive mess, and each season after that only doubled down on this attitude
The greatest sin of any franchise is to decide to over explain stuff that nobody wanted explained. Giving us all of Ricks backstory just took away alot of his charm and intrigue
@@Mrhellslayerz Speaking of Star Wars, the "Solo" movie spent about 30 mins on exactly this crap. Most Star Wars fans know that in the first movie, Han Solo says the line about the Millennium Falcon that, "it's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs." If you look it up, a "parsec" is a real life term used in space... but it refers to distance, not time. This became an inside joke for Star Wars fans. Obviously, George Lucas was looking for some "spacey"-sounding words to throw in his script, so he looks some up, but in his haste didn't realize the word he picked made the line nonsensical. He-he, good laugh, Lucas ain't perfect. End of story. ...then the Solo movies spends a good 20-30 mins trying to force it to make sense with the most convoluted and unnecessary plotline I have ever seen. They make up a stupid freaking space station that for some reason is in the middle of giant cloud of dust and rocks, and the "Kessel Run" is a secret path through it, until... You know what, I just can't. Can't even explain it, it's that stupid. They took what was a cute joke fans liked toss around, and took it WAY too seriously. It's like the script writers of Solo never seen or liked any Star Wars film before, so in attempt to feel grounded in the community took to online discussion forums, saw the joke, and thought what fans really wanted was: "to have it explained in excruciating detail"? When all they really did was ruin a cute inside joke, cause now whenever I re-watch to hear my favorite line about "12 parsecs", it reminds me of that horrible Solo movie.
@@TheLargeHardonCollider Yeah, that whole "explaining the Kessel Run line" thing was really stupid. I had a little headcanon that it was just a BS line Solo used to gauge how much the potential clients knew about space in order to figure out how much he could get away with trying to charge them. Took me 2 seconds to come up with as soon as I found out what a parsec was
I said something about Rick's intelligence before on Just Stop's video: "I mean, Rick being the 'smartest man in the universe' there's nothing innately wrong with it for me. Because of the simple idea that he has the capacity to do things beyond what's possible because of his intelligence. But despite that, Rick is shown to lack the wisdom (mostly) that comes with being incredibly smart, especially of someone his age. That may be an issue to some but I'm rather indifferent to it."
I was definitely “sprung” on this show when it released. It felt genuine at the least and brought some interesting concepts on how a “regular” person deals with these over the top adventures. I stopped mid season 3 cause I knew exactly the direction they were headed. It’s sad, almost like seeing an Ex spiraling downwards after the breakup, but ehhh… what can you do about it.
Hahaha what BS this show came out at like 2 am on adult swim when it first aired i doubt you were watching adult swim in the middle of the night looking for something "genuine" between the viewings of American dad and squidbillies. The people who were actually watching it were enjoying it the way it was meant to be which is stoned af and not taking it nearly that seriously.
@@polarvortex3294 I can’t pinpoint the exact clues OP is referring to but season 3 just had a different feel to the first two. It was the first season to bring in a lot of new writers while a lot from the first two seasons left
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoods8202 It's so strange, in way, that a super-successful show would shake things up like they did. You see it sometimes in sports where a winning coach is fired for some reason, and often it blows up after a season or so. Anyway, after thinking about season 3, I'd say that, for me, the good shows were so fun they made up for the bad shows, or the bad parts of shows, that started showing up. And I was able to ignore any troubling signs that I noticed. For instance, in The Rickshank Rickdemption, the evil bug empire was killed off really easily. This was a powerful empire that was built up over several great episodes. You had to fear them. Poof! Gone. This should have told me that nothing is sacred and you shouldn't invest any thought thinking about future plot-lines, but I just enjoyed the episode instead. In The Vindicators & also in The Rickchurian Mortydate Rick was basically all-powerful. This should have led me to ask: If Rick can do anything at any time, how can there be any real drama or tension in future shows? Over time, also, Morty became less innocent and harder to root for. But I just smiled and watched... I really trusted that show and looked forward to seeing them. The long layoffs were very frustrating! I'd re-watch the old shows many times. Now, I couldn't say what season they are on.
I actually wanna bring this up cause it's really cool When rick reveals he didn't actually care about Morty in the vindicators (or however it's spelled) episode, he's in a different place, presumably the place they are actually in, because it implies that he's replacing the footage to avoid having to confess to it
If they didn't want sequential stories, they never should have done them, or just committed to what they started and finished it with a nice bow before transitioning back to segmented adventures, not give up halfway through and mock the audience for liking it. I'll never understand shows attacking their fans. A funny elbow to the audience from time to time is fine, but the amount of seething hatred and contempt shows like Rick & Morty show for them is just irritating and uncomfortable. Like, sorry for watching your show and for being invested in the world you set up, I'll go watch a different one? idfk jesus.
I lost most artistic respect for Dan Harmon, when he was fired from community for being a horrible person, but then as soon as he was rehired, mocks the writers who had taken his place for season 4.
@@ron4202 Was sexually harrasing a writer named Megan Ganz. That combined with being so difficult to work with and his show not being as succesful as expected, gives him no right to mock the people who kept the show on tv while he dealt with his demons. He did apologize and she accepted it, so it does seem like he learned his lesson (unlike many). It's actually why the Jeff/Annie ship which had been building in season 4, was tanked as soon as season 5 came back with Dan.
I still enjoy the show, but the pessimism and dark brand of humor for old fast. I’m glad they tried something new in season five with Rick and Morty’s relationship, and I do love the evil morty lore. I think if they continue to do that and find ways to change things up they can keep the show going.
Rick and Morty complaining about serialisation is like that one kid who stopped giving a shit about revising a subject in school after getting good grades for a while, failing tests because they couldn't be bothered to learn, then complaining about how "the school system has failed" them.
I'll never forget the time at the height of it's popularity I was in a club and had about 3 or 4 people talk to me about the show. I wasn't really into it, but I never hated it so talking about it got a bit stale. One guy when I said I wasn't really into it just turned around and walked away. Not complaining, at least I didn't have to listen to him tell me how brilliant the show was.
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sad. This show used to be so good.
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This is the first thing I thought of lmao, I love seeing content from both of u so I’ll gladly support
just blink twice if hes holding you hostage
Finally someone who appreciates the earlier seasons WITHOUT implying that they are the modern equivalent of Shakespeare
They were great when they came out. It was the wackiness of an adult swim show without getting uncomfortable. It was also exciting to see because I had been a fan of Roiland for a few years.
I think the “you need to be smart to understand Rick and Morty” crap happened in season 3, when Roiland stopped a lot of his involvement anyway, and the writers seemed to lean into that.
@@seanlaffey3633thank you! I always felt Rick and Morty went from * athf * level of nonsense, to obnoxious*im so deep and clever* vibes, way to quick lol. Like past 2017 they are so full of themselves
@@seanlaffey3633 i just looked into it on know your meme and yep! it was when the third season had just started. which is strange because it feels like that copypasta has always been here atp
I really liked S1E1's Rick. He looked like he wasn't in control half of the time and that added tension because you wouldn't automatically assume he'd win.
The scene when Morty's freaking out and Rick is just standing there with drool coming out of his mouth to me is still the funniest in the show.
For real. This show had a feeling of a 14 year old boy and his grandpa going on scientific adventures to a godlike all knowing grandpa taking the reins on every “adventure” him and morty have.
Right? Like when their reality all got cronenberged so they had to find another one. Now rick can just magically fix everything
Yea that was untill he started be a nihilistic douchebag to everyone around him
@@dingdongmus yeah he magically fixed it so well he just gave up on how well he fixed it and went to a new universe cuz he was scared of how he totally didnt ruin his reality and have to find a new one
I think it was because Rick was drunk for most of that episode, that's why he behaved so weirdly.
Rick and Morty was too good, too fast and was given an unbearable amount of expectations to live up too. It grew self conscious, self serious and self loathing. It now oscillates between pandering to watchers and actively antagonizing them, spiteful over how much appealing to them still matters to it.
It's a gifted kid burnout.
sounds like me but without the first sentence.
Pack it up, this is the best analysis.
@@ArchiverUnknown same buddy, same.
This comment pretty much summed it all up beautifully. Makes the hour long video obsolete.
Arempy58@ Hit the #micdrop You nailed it Goddamn!
I just got sick of how the characters were so mean to each other like they just kept hating each other for no reason.
Basically turned into family guy, like how family guy they would jab eachother but at the end of the day they were a family who still loved eachother. Now it’s just everyone hates everyone and life sucks.
@@djLagwayEnjoyerin my opinion, the only thing Rick and Morty related that gave me family Guy vibes was the season 7 premiere
@@djLagwayEnjoyerimo Family Guy is better because they never took themselves seriously, Rick and Morty tries to make their family relationship plot deep and meaningful
That's how the society works
@@Kori888_ccthat’s not entirely true, watch some of the earlier seasons, some plots were taken seriously
The hatred for serialization really upsets me. Because they're the perfect show to be semi serialized. You could have your self-contained adventure of the week that isn't related to any of the other adventures. But have the effects of that adventure continue on to future episodes. And reveal small bits about the characters past in each adventure.
To be honest I actually think this so called hatred for serialization is an actuall part of the story not just a gag that writters keeps telling us so we don't demand serious plot. Rick somehow knows he is in a show.
He did say “he hates backstories” in a literary sense but that turned out to hide a tragic backstory so maybe him not wanting serialization could his detached literary-speak for “I don’t want to develop because I feel I am impossible to develop positively?”
Honestly if there should be a rick and morty rewritten and where I would change is after s2 and if I was the creator I would demand for theme to go full serialization if I knew what would happend and the show dilcene after s2 and just tell theme to suck it up
And in my s3 rewritten the frist thing I would do is to erase Rick's memories of everything up to this point to get rid of meta hummer and make rick forget that he's in the show and would have made the government alot more threatening than in s3 and 4
And reveal his backstory a little bit sooner but not all of it just half of Rick's backstory in rewritten s3 and save the rest for rewritten s4 or s5
The problem is that it got flandered, it wasn't just the characters or the comedy EVERYTHING the whole show itself got so flandered it became a shell of its former self.
Really great editing btw.
Get it guys???? Jerry is a terrible father and a piece of shit. Now laugh as everyone makes fun of him. So funny.
@@LunaMinuna I hate what they’ve done with Jerry’s character. He used to be a somewhat dimwitted yet good guy that was insecure about his place in the universe.
He cared for Morty and Summer’s well-being and hated how much Rick tried to manipulate them into joining him on dangerous misadventures. And he used to be one of the few characters in the show that actually stood up to Rick despite his concerns being drowned out by deaf ears.
In the season 2 finale, he was also the one person that managed to get through to Rick which is what caused him to turn himself into the government in order to ensure the safety of Jerry, Beth, Morty, and Summer.
Yet season 3 (like the video pointed out) completely ignores this and reverts everyone back to worse versions of their former selves, only with little to no redeeming qualities.
@Mr. Spectacals Not if the creator is smart enough to know when to stop.
@@TheStreamThatJakeBuilt No.
@@_V.Va_ i always feel like a show can run for something like 5 or 6 seasons, because you can only tell so many stories, especially in a show that seems to hate serialization so goddamn much, the 100 episodes contract ruined this show big time, after season 3, i feel like it was supposed to be the turning point to go to the 2 or 3 last seasons, but then, oh no, we need to make 70 new episodes, season 4 feels like filler, 5 developed the show but at the cost of retcons and terrible episodes, and we have 5 seasons to go, and the show feels like it should end, it feels like an old dog that doesn't want to live anymore
You can tell the creators hated how successful their show got
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I miss the Rick and Morty that were fleshed out in season one. Rick, being smart but not too bright, trying to connect with his grandson, but tripping over himself. It left lots of room for fun scenarios, character development, and actual risk. I hate how the character arcs all just end in "they're a stoic badass" by the end of the episode. Now everyone is "badass and cynical" and there's no charm.
All the characters now have 2 modes, "badass cynic" and "flanderized version of their worst traits from previous seasons were" while the series is trying too hard to be edgy and contrarian
I just been rewatching seasons 1-3, I hated the fan base at the time but the show was just too good, miss those days.
And to be fair, even with all the character arcs in the recent seasons, I feel like if they brought out episodes a little more frequently and with not as long of a break between seasons, the audience wouldn’t hold them accountable for a couple bad episodes, but because we only get like 10 episodes then wait for 2 years, all we can remember is how ass it was 2 years ago and forget about all the great stuff about the show.
Wow the counterculture really has shifted from boasting about how smart the show was to complaining about how much worse it’s is compared to its glory days. Show is fine.
@@CJT49 it really isn't. Half the latest season was episodes that all ended with me thinking to myself "I can skip those whenever I get around to rewatching the series"
Also, pretty sure pointing out that a show's not as good as it used to be isn't "counterculture" or "being contrarian"
It's pretty much the norm for shows to decline, especially as the original creative force either gets burned out, spread themselves thin with other projects, gives too much control to new writers, and/or suffers too much studio interference.
@@InfernosReaper it's not that you are pointing out it's bad, it's the fact the show started getting very mainstream, and we are seeing an influx of these "show fell off" videos, with some extremely nitpicky and unnecessary complaints. Yes the newest season had some of the worst episodes, but they also had some of their best. They might be inconsistent with how good their episodes are. But I guess it's just easier to say the whole season is bad instead of just a few particular episodes. One could point out just as many problems with the earlier seasons, but I guess it's more about complaining for the sake of bias at this point.
I am heartbroken
Who?
Thats ROugh BUDdy
*shrimp voice* i am ‘artbroken
You made an awesome rick and morty video too.
I read this in the shrimp’s voice
Gravity Falls completely schools Rick and Morty on how to mix serialized episodes with self contained adventures.
@jae I mean he isn’t wrong
@jae The show slaps wym
Amphibia is up there for me too
A show so good I’ve never heard of it😂
@@Drizzit57 how-
I get the feeling that Dan Harmon's ability to self sabotage is on full display with Rick and Morty and is intentionally, whether consciously or subconsciously, trying to drive the show into the ground because he's either tired of doing it or afraid of the success
Idk man, I feel like Dan 100% would leave if he didn’t like wiring the show anymore. It seems like he just let this all get to his head and is blowing it
@@lynnwinters5387 Idk have you ever listened to his podcasts he's not exactly the most confident or least neurotic person in the room lol but I could also see him walking away just for the chaos lol so maybe you're right
@@ziggygunz2447 He's a mix of neurotically insecure and megalomaniac which I think explains some of the tonal inconsistency and the show's relationship to episodic storytelling. The quality inconsistency has a lot to do with Justin being completely checked out and Dan taking less time to hammer out and perfect episodes so they can deliver seasons on time and people can go home at 5.
@@ArchibaldClumpy yeah that sounds about right. Also I can't tell if Justin being forced out and replaced is going to end up being good or bad for the future of the show. It seemed like it had been in a death spiral with occasional opportunities to pull out but now we've got an X-factor to deal with and makes it even harder to predict. Maybe with some luck whoever takes over his voices ends up being a positive force that helps get things back on track but at the moment it's anyone's guess as to what will end up happening moving forward.
@@ziggygunz2447 It's a hard thing to say for sure. If it's true that Justin was checked out then it will just be the matter of a new voice actor, but clearly when he wasn't checked out he contributed some really good moments that didn't fit Dan's more regimented approach. The Nintendo DS interlude in the parasite episode is apparently something he had to fight Dan for 😂.
I think ricks backstory should’ve never been 100% revealed. I found it more interesting to get breadcrumbs and tidbits in dialogue throughout the seasons. Usually the imagination built from ambiguity is better than the actual answers.
And when it was revealed it should not have been revealed in a 55 second flashback that was a real dumb way of revealing the backstory
And they even threw in a 4th wall joke that insulted their audience immediately after the flashback was over
Wonder if Harmon went back to slamming the sauce... 🤷♂️ looking back on his body of work he has historically afforded his audience plenty of faith in their ability to navigate the story without much/any hand holding or pandering.
We've all got a certain number of stories in us, I suppose...
technically speaking, it's not really 100% revealed. just him losing his wife and daughter and how he reacted to their deaths.
I suppose that’s the risk in dropping a backstory - in the sense that sometimes it’ll ruin a lot of investment and that insatiable feeling of chasing and theorizing many of us get invested in. So once the mystique is gone, unless what you’ve presented can actually stand on its own or have a greater weight or keep the momentum, it’ll feel lesser than by comparison
The old Tell Don't Show adage was definitely better for the show. Letting the Fans come to their own conclusions, But now it's Cannon I Guess
It does require a high degree of intelligence to so eloquently capture the deeply woven intricacies of Richard and Mortimer
Calm down
Eugh
I don’t know what’s worse. The show or the fans
Or Harmon can’t stand that guy
Ok Richard and Mortimer killed me 😂
I’m so baffled by the inconsistency of this show. Like how can the same team write that god awful dragon episode or the sperm shit and then turn around and write the Vat of Acid episode.
I actually thought the Vat of Acid episode is just as bad as those other two. It's a half-written episode with a manipulative emotional scene fooling you into thinking they're developing Morty's character when it's really just leading up to a flat joke about Rick always being right.
@@fivestarman1291 i dont care what you say, that was the best joke about returning to the status quo when jerry hits the button and resets morty's life and morty keeps trying to get back that happiness
@@fivestarman1291 Honestly, same. Vat of Acid is what made me give up hope for Rick and Morty, because it wants you to think it's being clever, and then nope, status quo.
Season 5 was doomed when Mr. Nimbus just there to mock Rick
@@Maretoast
I don't think that was the point
The sperm episode was easily the worst thing in history of animated shows, truly a disgrace, shame on the creators.
They could've made it better if the fucking incest baby wasn't created
Either they have a gross episode like that, or a confusing one like the anthology train trying to show how deep/smart they are.
I thought it was just me who had to watch it a couple times to get it, but no there's an entire reddit thread about it.
What was wrong with it
@@discordalternateaccountthey literally had a giant incest baby. Morty and Summer canonicaly have a child together-
Panty & Stockings did it better
This shows quality is 100% dependent on Harmons mood. This is well documented that whenever he has a political or drug fueled meltdown, he just uses the show to vent. And it creates....well, yeah
Removing half of the original staff and hiring less experinced just for the sake of diversity could also be a reason of the decline.
Did they really?
@@dorothyscott2536 yes they did
Harmon's a dick, who thinks he's above everyone else
Bruh he literally has a Kiwi Farms thread, at this point he's a full blown celebrity-cow.
I think comparing season 1's Raising Gazorpazorp (sex robot episode) and season 5's horse semen episode is a really good way to see just how far the show has declined and in what ways. The two episodes have fairly similar concepts and "gross-out" factors regarding pubescent boys, and yet the difference in quality is pretty stark.
f3m4le writers... All the worst rated episodes are written by vv0m3n.
Genius connection to compare, love it
The biggest issue with season 5 I noticed is how they make almost every episode into some big theatrical plot. If they just kept it simpler and made more organic episodes like the tiny Rick episode fans would appreciate it more.
Sperm or Mutated Turkeys is not a big theatrical plot; its grasping at straws to fill content in an episode; quality be damned.
The Harmon cycle strikes again: Be clean and focused, make good show, start doing lots of drugs and alcohol, bipolar disorder flares up, become less involved in show, do dumb controversial things, writing staff sucks, makes the show suck, hate self even more, do even more drugs and alcohol, death spiral to rock bottom, start over again with a new show.
Damn, I always felt like Harmons flaws got in the way of his shows, but I didn’t realize it was this bad
This is actually tragic
@@ciara7172 it might be if Dan Harmon wasn't a disgusting person, inside and out
Rick and Morty just became the most unlikeable versions of themselves as possible. And their bond became next to nonexistent. It’s like they don’t even like each other anymore. They hardly even had any screentime together in s5. Their bond was the whole bread and butter of the show.
Rick and Morty has put out so much terrible merchandise over the years that's all over the place. It's one of the most consumerism obsessed shows I've ever seen.
IM... IM... IM CONSOOOOOOOOOOOMIIIIIINGGGGGG!
And its audende defines itself by the show.
It's goddamn ironic that the more merchandise and product placement-ier the show got the worse the quality became.
Fuck, the merchandise went from "hey, I could wear/own this in my home," to "I wouldn't want this ten feet near my house."
Hell, even the commercials went from "We're a promo commercial," to "DING DING DING HEY LOOK WE'RE PRINGLES AND WE'RE ROBOTS DESIGNED TO SELL CHIPS..." and it just gave me a goddamn migraine after a while.
@@eatatjoe Nah. it is almost natural.
What about the Simpsons? I would also say what about SpongeBob but Stephen Hillenburg thought the merchandising was a bit tedious.
Rick and Morty was a fun show in the earlier seasons before they lost the plot after S3, nowadays it’s utterly mediocre unless Morty is the one getting actual character development.
Which is sad for a show called “Rick AND Morty”
Well. That happens when things get touched by wokeness.
Dan Harmon and his diversity hires ruined it.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo Yeah sure let’s blame all of it on that instead of the fact that most of the writers on this show forgot what made their show good in the first place
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo ah yes, blaming "wokeness" and "diversity hires" for the main problem with rick and morty's writing despite the real problem being the writers' ego and confusion over whether they want the show to be episodic or serialized.
great way to lead into discussion, i'm sure of it. 😑
@@sidneywade2454 Implying wokeness is not the source of those problems.
Yes. R&M has become so pretentious. After watching Community last year, I feel as though Harmon has tendency to start a show with a great idea and great humor, from a relatable standpoint that breaks through to how the viewer thinks, but then if the show gets successful after a couple seasons he starts believing HE is smarter than the audience and seems to have a disdain for them. I just start getting the feeling watching both shows that the writers think they are better than me and incredibly narcissistic
All the writers are now f3m4le thats why🤷🏽♂️😂😂😂
Harmon needs to just write shorter shows lmfao doesn't seem like he can stick with a show too long without beginning to hate it or the people who watch it
@@therrfuin7897 you just hit it exactly. Hating the show or the people who watch them
Fix him
What do you expect from a dude who gives TED talks on "The Harmon Story Circle" where he word for word quotes Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey without a hint of irony?
>makes a compelling plot with deep characters
>makes fun of people who are invested to the story
gee i wonder why people hate this show
It's irony poisoning seeping in to everything. "Wow dude you actually CARE about something? What a LOSER." Also, Roiland is a p3do
I would say after season 3 a lot of peoples interest in the show, mine included, declined significantly. It started to become somewhat cringy, it felt like they were trying too hard to be over the top and witty. It just turned into a mess in my opinion.
Come to think of it, wasn't season 4 when they were given a contract for several seasons, likely with stricter deadlines?
Season 3 WAS that, the viewship started declining mid season 3.
@@lemur1129 agreed, season 3 doesn’t compare to the first two save for a few episodes
In season 3 we started to get shit-tier episodes, but it overall the season was saved by some great episodes and probably the best in the series "Ricklantis" by season 4 we got a couple of good and 1 great episode and the rest shit. Each season we got fewer and fewer good quality episodes.
Definitely the case for me. I vividly remember the feeling of binging the whole season and growing increasingly irritated. Vindicators 2 my attention vanished completely. Hate that episode.
I had food poisoning and wanted to watch something funny, I just was left annoyed and kind of depressed.
It really is a shame how far the shows gone down the deep end. It’s a show that I loved for its humor and unique ideas but for it to become the antithesis of it is sad
They could have done a lot of things with this series: explore the idea of Evil Morty and its possible connection to the smartest Rick in the universe, the psychological evolution of the characters, what really happened to Rick's wife... And they decided to focus on the grotesque and easy jokes they sell... Too much untapped potential
They could make a whole show of just young rick
Couldnt have said it better. Im surprised he never mentioned the gap between se 3 y 4 thats when they lost me what was it two years or more? Also i wanted toa see evil morty, they teased an arc but didnt have the balls or ability to make it happen. Ty.
@@jamesandrews8698 they made an evil morty arc tho
@@jamesandrews8698evil Morty being ricks original Morty was the best writing the fans ever came up with, then the show just ruined it
Imagine if Goku always had the dragon balls, and just decided to use them arbitrarily depending on the episode. That's how little weight and tension this show has anymore
Well to be fair, dbs lacks weight and tension.
I don't think it's fair to compare the Dragon Ball franchise with tension, it's pretty slow paced compared to Rick and Morty, but at least it works in its favour.
@@calebgadison167 That's the point lol
it never had any tension or direction tho. just a fun ride for random bullshit
Was the show ever intended to have weight or tension? I never felt it from day one but maybe that's just me.
A good part of what made the show fail imo is how many episodes simply devolved into “hey you know this cool thing people like? Well I’m going to spend 30 minutes talking down to you about why I think that thing is utterly stupid trash and how this show is so smart”
It's Daria as the entire show, but way worse...
@King Henry V Daria's cynicism wasn't meant to be aspirational. Everyone around her was a counterpoint to her sarcasm and lack of social skills. In fact, her cynicism was regularly cited as a negative quality. At the same time she was smart, empathetic and grew through the series to appreciate those around her as she matured. In other words, she was a teen, and Jane in particular was the softer edge that made the dynamic, and by extension the show, work. Her hating everything wasn't talking down to people for liking those things because she wasn't seen as "better" for not liking the same. That's why even the "bad" characters like the Fashion Club had their positive points sometimes.
R&M is the opposite of that. There isn't really any growth, because the more the family is exposed to Rick and his world, the more jaded and condescending they become. They adjust to a universe where they are only out for themselves. Summer might be the best example of that mentality. And it is presented as a good thing in a way because that makes them smarter and more capable, with the ability to live on as each new reality falls without consequence to the core family. It is Daria if Daria's cynical assholishness was celebrated. Only ironically, in a way that pointed to the viewer and sneered.
I think the story train episode is the perfect example of this. I've never seen an episode shit on the media pushing hard for their agendas, while also standing on a soapbox disguised as a casual rant about whatever the writers hate. Hell, there isn't even an attempt for smart criticism either. Don't bother making a distinction between bad implementation and bad writing, Just make summer and beth shoot crotch lasers and default the bible as the worst written book ever solely based on the fact that you're atheist. Wasn't the title of "Reddit Mod" something we all wanted to avoid?
I'm not even a Marvel fan but Holy Christ FUCK the Vindicators episode. Literally Harmon just using his self insert to assert a power fantasy.
kinda ironic considering some rick and morty fans are like that
Once they actually stuck to the whole “nothing matters” joke as a real premise for the show, that’s when it stopped being fun to watch for me.
They literally did the exact opposite. You don’t watch the show. Dan Harmon’s even directly said that the show goes against that.
What the fuck is this take
@@villain9482 Is that all you have to say? What was even the point?
@@RG-rm6ih he's saying that his take is shit. if you read what he said then there shouldn't be any further discussion.
Dick and Shorty should be commended for mirroring the rise and fall of The Simpsons in less than a third of the time
I think the 70 episode order also contributed to decline in quality. Before if the ratings were good enough, they'd get renewed one season at a time. Now that they're greenlit until Episode 101 the incentive isn't there because there's no threat of cancellation.
Is it possible for [adult swim] to reverse a renewal for the show's 90 future episodes (70 right now)?
I can’t imagine what episodes 90-101 are gonna look like
I think that letting the smith family get use to ricks crazy life was part of the down fall also. It was great how the family didnt know how to handle alien invasions and they used what they had to defend themselves from ricks madness. Now they're just used to it. It's to the point where they are fully aware of ricks modifications on the house, they know how to operate his ship, and they're not phased whenever an alien enters the house. I personally liked watching the family not know how to use ricks inventions and cause problems for themselves.
At some point, people do adapt to things. The problem is the way the adjustment goes too far into blasé reactions that make everything feel too trivial
I actually like it way more when others figure it out and become knowledgeable alongside the person in the know.
It would not make sense if after 5 seasons the rest of the family did not learn to adjust at all to Rick's behaviour.
Bad comment.
I think what happened to Rick and Morty is that its own popularity caught the fuck up with it and everyone is spouting that nilhilistic shit now so its impact isn't seen as special anymore and they're absolutely schizophrenic about it. That, and how you feel about Rick and Morty's decline is how I felt regarding the CW's attempt to drag the Powerpuff Girls back from the grave and how I currently feel regarding Hulu's Futurama graverobbing.
What's that about Futurama? Are they making another season?
@@pitsahat2 yes… and John DiMaggio may not return due to contract disputes.
Edit: Good News Everyone, John’s coming back
@@pitsahat2 They're making another season.
@@eatatjoe WHY?! The ending was perfect! It's a perfect loop, it's so bittersweet and amazing, why are they doing that?!
@@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970 Take a gue$$.
The entire problem with Rick & Morty is Dan Harmon... what's happened to Rick & Morty is the same thing that happened to literally all the shows Dan Harmon created & more importantly wrote for. He loses interest somewhere around the 3rd season. Period. End of story.
The main problem is that they seem to hate their fans.
First, portraying fans that don't like serialization as Nazis, then mocking fans that like serialization in continuity train.
So, who is the show for? Fans of serialized episodes or fans of non serialized episodes?
I guess it’s for fans who can easily shit on both sides?
Who knows
A big problem with me is that some of the jokes fall flat because the show creators are pretty pedantic and political but not in a funny way. For example, this is their own public opinions btw, they think it's funny how Jerry becomes good at survival because he is homeless, and for them survival in the wilderness is the same as being homeless .... no they weren't joking.
Did someone found the feminist jokes in the horse sperm episode funny ? Because I didn't. I pretty much never saw someone dismissing a women's opinion just because they are women. And it's so dumb when some of the most powerful figures in history have been women.
Then, in the last episode of seaon five, the creators went on a rant in the credits about how the whole episode was a critique of capitalism and how all the system needs to be left behind ( luckily the episode kind of works without the dumb analogy because the analogy fails completely ). The fun thing is, nothing is stopping anyone from leaving capitalism behind. Anyone can found a city through voluntary work and have a public ownership of the means of production. No one does it because it always fails.
@@nicak777alex9 i could do without the political bias. have had enough. everything is woke crap.
Reading most of the comments on this video, if they did hate their fans it’s easy to understand why.
The show never had enough heart imo, it shied away so hard from any moment of sincerity or softness and personally I think that was a major weakness
@@darklordixor Dawg what
@@darklordixor mustard
The first two seasons had a lot of heart. Everything after made this whole point of saying “nothing matters” which is when things started going downhill and the heart was lost.
Something I noticed when watching Season 5 is that the characters reference and mention previous episodes and moments in the series way more than usual, if done at all, so that the show's world gives off the impression that those moments did indeed happen, instead of feeling like Family Guy does where each episode just happens and its world doesn't evolve from that episode, making it more self-contained.
The problem in doing is that it clashes the two methods of episodic creation used in Rick & Morty where an episode is either a solo episode dedicated to being "funny goofy Rick & Morty adventure" or "this episode is one of many that when combined will create a serialized story so that our show actually has a plot".
In short, Rick & Morty suffers from the TV equivalent of Ludonarrative Dissonance in video games.
Rick and Morty should at least pick where they want to do for the life span of the show BUT they may not even do that
Lots of old writers left for Disney
@@Silentshadowking that's an L ngl, so Disney can release yet another trash remake that no one asked for
One of the writers, that came in the third season, was a lead writer for she-hulk. That's all you need to know.
No Way.
@@collinkeyser6827 yeah, unfortunately.
Stuff like this makes me appreciate Gravity Falls even more. Short and sweet with a compact and engaging story with lovable characters from beginning to end.
Idk. I love gravity falls but sometimes Mabel makes me want to rip my hair out. The show was so short that the writers sacrificed her development for Dippers, because there just wasn’t enough time to let them both grow. I wish it had had three seasons, like Avatar the Last Airbender. Short and sweet but not so short that writers run out of sufficient time for all their characters.
Truth
@Ratafak Plachta
It's the exact opposite though? It's very very clearly written by men. Every girl character is written so meanly and they're all constantly fighting each other. This is far from feminist lmao.
Agreed. A near perfect show.
@@Miriam_J_
I wouldn’t necessarily say that. Though, you did perfectly describe Mabel.
I really really hope the writers can get it together. I think the show could still be saved, but I’ll always be sad about the letdown that was the squandered potential of the season 2 finale
Sadly writers got changed around which created a lot of issues
Doesn’t mean that the new writers can’t learn
@@superfzzbigmuff7375 even if you learn someone else’s work it’ll never be the same. That feel of the first two seasons was made by the original writers and show runners, once they left it was never gonna be the same
season 6 episode 1 gives me hope
@@noobplicity9861
How do you feel now after the 3rd episode?
If you want an Adult Swim show which starts off with episodic writing, moves into a serialized storyline, and keeps up a near consistent high quality of writing, may I suggest The Venture Bros? My only warning is that it's a bit of a slowburn, but besides that it's truly fantastic.
The Venture Bros. was a goddamn great show.
Venture Bros was arguably the best show put out by Adult Swim and often imitated. Including, in part, by R&M.
Definitely this. Venture bros would be a breath of fresh air for Cartoonshi after this
Why was the Venture Bros cancelled?
@@kittykittybangbang9367 good news is that they are making an animated feature film that will be a follow-up to season 7.
Virgin Rick and Morty: LIFE IS MEANINGLESS
Chad Smiling Friends: Life may suck now, but theres hope it can change
Smiling Friends is the best show 🔥🔥🗣️😁
It's a shame, really. Rick and Morty had lightning in a bottle and they turned it into a fart in a jar.
martin?
What? (My name isn't Martin)
@@kiroshow Cyanide & Happiness' Martin, known as "Fart in a jar Martin"
OH
Not even close, people are overreacting lmao the show is fine lol
The sperm episode killed the show for me quicker than any other episode of any other show. I can usually tolerate shock humor but this one in particular made me feel dirty just for watching it. It's a problem facing a lot of adult animation where they try to prove they are for adults by showing the crudest and vilest things and it's never funny.
Sounds like you might be to young to be watching this show buddy, nothing wrong with the Sperm episode.
@@FalseHoodx It isn't really good either
@@the_sky_is_blue_and_so_am_I its not but he sounds like hes 14
You made me think about panty and stocking, that also features crude humor but yet it still works, maybe it's the great music or the Devil Sisters idk
@@FalseHoodx aren't young teenagers the biggest fans of such topics? Adult shows expand in many different directions since boobs and sperm on the screen aren't embarrassing for a "relatively mature" person.
I guess, for "adults", it's much more shocking to see a show that honestly portrays issues of toxic dynamics of people unable to maintain relationships, substance abuse, awkward sex and dysfunctional families; to see our secrets and failures applied on other characters presented from cruelly direct perspective. It's nothing anyone is proud of and everyone keeps it to themselves.
People know about reproductive organs since young age - everyone learns at different pace but it doesn't take 18 years for teenager to know about bodily fluids. This kind of humour on TV has shocking value to teenagers since they haven't seen anything like that on Bob the Builder. It takes special talent to write such jokes that work and have some substance behind them.
Being disgusted by sperm episode, doesn't mean that a person is too innocent; it's just a preference. Especially, if they sat to watch R&M, not Family Guy. Spermgate is not about creators crossing the line and being too graphic. People are just disappointed in them for loosing touch with the show and see their attempt in primitive absurdity as a failure.
I just wanna put it out there - Venture Bros. has done almost literally everything Rick and Morty has done and significantly better. It stayed relatively consistently good all throughout the show's run. It never felt too up it's own rectum, it just wanted to tell its story. It's a huge underrated Adult Swim gem that I only found after Rick and Morty's fall.
You guys keep forgetting Venture Bros is ugly as fuck I hate that art style
@@hamchau1468 ?? Yeah no it fucking isn't
thank you for mentioning my favorite show of all time. VB deserved so much more.
@@hamchau1468 go figure, you have an anime pfp, of course it looks ugly to you
@@hamchau1468 Rick and Morty's art style is way uglier ...
Pickle rick was humanities darkest era
How???
@@kendallcochran8262 If you can go to the local HEV and see more than 5 pickle rick shirts, it's a dark time
@@deltalocke5290 HEV suit Half-Life 2????
Robot chicken’s back hurts for being the only adult swim long running show that has sustained its quality from its run
There's also south park
Robot Chicken is a pretty dumb show in my opinion. Though I think a majority of Adult Swim is super dumb.
@@WeegeeSlayer123 dumb yet fun is better than dumb and suffering
What about Regular Show?
It had 8 seasons and I never seen a person here in TH-cam saying that Regular Show has suffered seasonal rot.
Edit (01/03/2021):
Sorry for my mistake for saying that Regular Show is an Adult Swim show
When I made this comment, I just wanted to say a show that had many seasons that has not suffered seasonal rot and i didn't pay attention when the original comment said "Adult Swim show".
Sorry for my mistake.
Since robot chicken is a complete joke the show could’ve been canceled late 2000s in but decided to continue on to this very day
*god I hate this show*
I’m not even against poking fun at serialization in cartoons, since I believe a lot of cartoons in the 2010s-2020s have been obsessed with following the template left by GF and SU, but the way Rick & Morty does it comes off as overly bitter and obnoxiously tryhard.
Examples of rick and morty being bitter at serialization please? Just want to know more.
@@josesosa3337 they mean the poking fun at the viewer whenever over arching stories and themes pop up like the story train episode, watch that and you will understand why people think rick and morty hates serialization
@@josesosa3337 does the line "she wants to serialized" ring a bell?
@@vallaby2042 I saw this comment as i started watching the video and i wasn't sure if the youtuber was gonna bring it up.
What GF and SU?
I’m surprised how to this day I can still get so much enjoyment out of the first two seasons, even catching details and jokes I never saw before.
I cannot say the same about season’s three to five which have about 5 episodes in total I genuinely love.
I think one of the biggest problems was just they never carried anything between episodes. Once they threw in their required 1 plot sustaining episode a season, they never mentioned any consequences or chances that happened. It just went back to the same dynamic that was just broken minutes before. They also simply didn't think shit through. Many instances showed the writers just forgot what they had previously said.
I could be wrong since i haven't watched season 6, but i SWEAR Rick said earlier in the episode where he's interrogated by the galactic federation that he MADE UP THE BACKSTORY PLOT!!!!
But now it was actually what happened????? It honestly pissed me off a bit because i personally value story over most things and ive honestly just given up on the show Mostly. Im keeping my rick and morty blanket though.
Also just heard the part in the video where he says this same point lol.
"I turned our show into shit Morty!"
“I’m shitty Riiiiick!”
Cringiest shit I ever saw.
😂😂
Tbh as much as I get the criticism about the therapist
I just fucking love Rick being taken down a pet. It’s absolutely cathartic for me to see this character get played off as a God more often then not get absolutely called out for what he is
A small, cynical man who hides being cosmic absurdism to not have to acknowledge his own gaping limitations
Peg. It's "taken down a peg."
@@Verasoul I know; autocorrect
@@Verasoul this person was trying to share his opinion and made a mistake, and you ignored everything he was saying just to point it out to be a jerk. He didn’t even get mad. Don’t take people like that for granite.
Also, who hides behind, not who hides being.
I agree. I also think it’s nice that the show based around nihilism showed therapy in a good light, especially considering how many people in its audience really need it.
With the show establishing Rick's relationship with Beth being abusive and neglectful only for them to essentially reveal that the Rick we follow wasn't responsible for any of it because his real kid died I was so infuriated. It would have been more compelling if Rick did have some responsibility in the death of his wife and kid because it would fit with his self loathing character
Rick abandons the whole family except Morty in season 1. Them trying to make it out like we are supposed to care about him and Beth later on always felt tacked on
Along with the fact that he's pissy about Jerry marrying Beth when it's revealed that Ricks all over manipulate Jerrys and Beths to fall in love.
I have heard people point out that the show started picking up new writers after season 2, and that some of those writers were given a lot of creative freedom. People not being on the same page could explain a lot of this inconsistency, as well as show they think they only need to throw crap at the wall for writing. Also it only takes one pretentious fool who thinks themselves clever with no leash to make something like "Pickle Rick" or any of the other truly awful episodes. Not sure if it's true but it would explain a lot.
Weird thing is take the theropy part out all the pickle rick scenes are fun as hell
One thing I remember very distinctly, when season 3 was being shown off, was that people shat on the new writers for the issues with it. It was toxic, shitty, and a lot petty, but we got a lot of important info out of it. Namely, that most of the material in the show is created in the writer's room collaboratively. This is something that's been emphasized again and again.
What I think happened was that, in the jump from season 2 to 3, the perspective of (and size of) the writing room had shifted. It wasn't a small group of writers tossing fun ideas to each other with different perspectives and ideas, it became a larger room filled with people who, while they still all had their own interpretations, now had to prove it to that many more people. I don't think this in of itself is an issue, it can lead to more varied dynamics and situations.
What does make it an issue though, is if there's a power imbalance in that.
If a showrunner + writer has a small group of writing partners they collab with, there's not much shame in shutting down bad ideas. If a showrunner + writer has a full room of writers, suddenly it becomes harder to tell them no.
Regardless of how good a writer is, having that one perspective dominate the discussion can create all sorts of issues, especially in a show like Rick and Morty.
And I think we do have evidence to support this. Dan Harmon has gone on plenty of times about his opinions on storytelling, and his preferences towards extreme nihilist comedy over character writing. Do some people enjoy that style of writing? Absolutely, but it's a very hard sell when so much of the show needs a balance, at least as it's been established. (Also, while I do cite Dan Harmon specifically for this, there's a chance many of the other writers very much believe the same, and it's not a power balance issue, but the remaining fault still remains)
With that interpretation also comes a slew of new questions, namely "why do some episodes still focus on the character moments, while others mock it." (also, from here on I'm speculating on top of speculations, please take it with a grain of salt the size of Texas)
I think that the remaining character moments in Rick and Morty are done by specific writers, trying to bargain their ideas into the show. Whether that be because Dan's vision dominates it, or many of the writer's share the same vision, I think that specific writer or writers want to sneak their own character moments into the show with the concession of "wouldn't it be funny if..."
My reasoning for this is that Ricklantis Mixup is in season 3.
"Wouldn't it be funny if... a whole episode was dedicated to an artful exploration of a new society of Rick and Morty's, and we had no jokes the entire time."
The episode is so unprecedented that I cannot believe for a second it was created unironically. I think that one of the writers' had a genuine passion for the world, presented it, and justified it's existence by its irony.
"Wouldn't it be funny if... we made an episode that was genuinely beautiful as standalone art.
and then showed that it didn't matter."
Every time a character says something of value, or does something of value, I always put it into this context.
"Oh, the two Beths both exist and did something in this episode? Imagine how lame it would be if we followed this up unclimactically. That'd definitely show it didn't matter." "What if we teased a resurrected bird person, but we took away all the dramatic stakes from it just to make it less satisfying, gotta make sure it doesn't actually matter in the long term." "What if we changed the entire dynamic of the show, then reverted it super unsatisfyingly, to show it didn't matter?" "Oh, a world where Rick can't use his typical science gadgets? He adapts immediately and becomes a badass science sorcerer, but only if it's the least satisfying way we can do it. Also add horny dragons." (I think the horny dragons were unintentionally unfunny, but I think the rest of the episode's issues were intentional)
It sounds almost conspiratorial, I know, but stick with me on this one.
The train episode proves this for me. While the episode itself is rather solid, and the comedy is pretty good, the implications of the ending bits are massive. Rick and Morty get zapped for all their "story potential," and the only way they can stop it is by running it into the ground by being obnoxious. They zoom out and Rick makes an over-merchandising joke while being creepy even by his standards. Given that this whole episode was a retry of a "corrupted Hero's Journey" (see The Vindicators), this episode was probably under more scrutiny than any other episode, and thus, is a better reflection of the show's direction as a whole. Yet, the only takeaway there is, for the entire episode, rounds off to "wouldn't it be funny if... nothing mattered?" The train scene by itself was enough to prove this, but the zoom out and weird Rick behavior serves *only* to confirm this. The intentional takeaway of the episode is exactly that nothing matters.
The intentional takeaway of the show is that nothing matters.
And while it's in the context of humor, it's more like one big anti-joke.
It's not a joke, it's a statement.
"Wouldn't it be funny if nothing mattered."
@@nyahnyahson523 weird thing the whole, wouldn't it be funny if nothing matters, is something I can get behind, Rick and Morty already isn't standard television in that it comes and goes like dead beat dad, so when it comes back I have a few laughs then promptly forget about it, this worked to its favor back in seasons 1 and 2 but come the end of 2 it got popular and I genuinely think the writers do hate that fact given how every time they do something world changing they undermine it the next episode or even the end of the season, I think the main issue with reviewers is both annoyance with fans overhyping the show as better than it is but also feeling like the writers view all their fans as the same annoying people that want things to change, everyone, everyone brings up how much they hate the baby episode and love the rick backstory episode and to me I just saw the baby episode as the writers blowing off some steam, not every episode needs to be a banger not every episode needs to move the story along, people see the whole facist Morty as a substitute for the fans when I just see it as a way to make fun of constraints when making a product people hounding you to things you'd rather do on your own terms
Rick and Morty honestly should have stayed niche, it should have never gained more people in the writers room and while people say change is necessary I don't think its out of fear of woke as much as it is something being unrecognizable as it once was
@@nyahnyahson523 how long it take to type this ?
Ryan Ridley and Kaufman were literally the only two competent regular writers on the show, and they stopped after the second season. The whirly dirly conspiracy *feels* like it's a season 2 episode trying to break itself out of the trash, it was so close, and that just so happened to be the last time Ridley was a writer.
From the meta standpoint, the finale of season 5 is so weird. Evil Morty escaping the Central Finite Curve is basically writers running away from canon that they established, which is only the way it is thanks to them. It's another self-pity move like they're saying "we explained everything in the most spiteful way towards the fans, we left the stories that bound us behind, NOW we can do anything".
Honestly I’m half expecting season 6 to just begin with an offhand gag/explanation on how everything is normal again.
Which I think is good. Finally got of that canon shit and we can get back to s1 and s2 style of Rick and Morty
@@stevenmark4407 Weird you're saying that when story episodes are peak of R&M when done right. Both citadel episodes from S1&3 and the finale of season 2 are one of the best episodes in the series. You can also do the episodic format from time to time. The parasite and miniverse episodes from season 2 are also among the best despite being self-contained adventures. Those two formats aren't the opposites.
@@rexventura4603 Harmon did that with Community and the "gas leak" season!!
Watch the film theorist , he makes good points
Rick and Morty *WAS* good with its first 3 seasons but it just…overstayed it’s welcome and became way too annoyingly nihilistic, cynical, and meta which makes Smiling Friends all the more of a superior fresh breath of air
Richard and Mortimer was good with the first three seasons, yeah, but I'd say watching Odd Taxi is a breath of fresh air.
Would have been better if they moved to smaller segments that aren't conected(robot chicken style), switched between radically different Ricks/Morties each episode, or actually followed the plot consistantly.
@@kyleellis1825 so you're saying it would've been better if every episode was Interdimensional Cable, or if the writers actually gave a shit
FINALLY somebody said it!!!
Season 3 was awful, and I'm surprised that it took people longer to realize that the show was declining in quality.
I’m glad cartoonshi has exposed the people here to a serious problem craids and I hope that his family can recover from the craids
What's craids?
Nevermind, found the definition, currently doing the ROFLcopter.
I think a good indicator of this show’s decline is the fact that, if you zone out from the audio and take a look at what’s on screen, a lot of clips from the recent seasons show the characters with the same annoyed, bitter “rant face”. In the earlier seasons, the family genuinely loved each other and there were a lot of moments where you could see that love and trust in their faces. But now, the only times the characters look happy or sincere is when the joke is on them. The rest of the time they alternate between annoyed, afraid, and depressed. It truly looks like you’re seeing the family lose their souls season after season and fall into a bitter, angry depression. I wish that Rick and Morty regains some optimism or sincerity in season 6, but I no longer have hope. At least we have Smiling Friends now to fill that void.
Weird but good observation
Sounds like family guy. Peter used to be a loving, albeit stupid, father. Now-a-days every member of the family lives to spite the other. Simpsons does the same thing.
Excuse me Jerry and Beth watch porn together. They're a sex positive couple.
@@sleepwalking117 Beth also is more caring towards Morty when in earlier seasons she acted like she didn't give a shit most of the time about him. I feel like these ppl are misunderstanding what the actual decline was in R&M and misremembering how the actual characters were
Did ya forgot the part where Rick and Morty literally hopped dimensions because Rick fucked up so royally so they went to a universe where Beth and Jerry were more at each other's throats? Now they're more accepting of each other and literally think about each other's well being
You know, an aspect I used to love about Rick and Morty was that Jerry was a dick, but one you could understand. Everyone always wants to be a Rick, maybe even a Beth or even a Morty. But the vast majority of people would be like Jerry, and that's not SUPPOSED to be a bad thing. When it comes down to it, Jerry generally does have the best interests at heart for his family. His worst moments is when he actually gets recognized and his ego balloons out of control as a result of having too much sips of the fine wine Rick gets drunk off of on an average basis. Rick is not supposed to be replicable, and I felt like that message was that Jerry was a believable response to being an in-law to one of the most insane scientists in the universe.
But now he's just kind of a one-note joke. He's inherently pathetic to everything around him, yet nobody can see why having someone who wishes to return to normalcy is inherently a bad thing. He's tacked on as a punching bag who wants to be Rick, when atleast before he used to be a mortal being who had to cope with who's effectively a super-smart demon.
Most people are not like Jerry. Most people are not morons, but are just confused or depressed and insecure. If anything, most people are like Beth and Morty, and well, also like Rick minus the supposed scientific genius. Because Rick is an "idiot" too.
@@midasiscariot Jerry wasn't a moron before season 3. He was a normal thickheaded person who was in over his head but had the best interests of his family at heart.
@@bumibomber ya, then he literally turned gay
@@bumibomber are you sure about that?
idk, i still hate him for pushing Snowballs head into the pee. Power hungry pos
I believe the creators got spooked by their own fanbase and tried to reign things in, but only ended up watering down and censoring themselves. They sold themselves out.
Notice that a lot of the people who are in charge of Marvel’s decline were also writers on Rick and Morty’s 4th and 5th seasons…
Rick and Morty is like if you started listening to a rock band. The songs are great!
Then, they start making some absolute bangers, and you're all like "Oh man, this band knows exactly what rock fans want to hear!"
Then you go to a concert and the band plays your favourite song, but then mocks you for listening to rock instead of classical music.
moral orel ran so rigormortis could crawl across the floor and cry. actually believable family conflicts, really good over arching storyline, psychological nuance and amazing commentary on modern christianity that doesn’t alienate actual christians. not to mention its hilarious. watch moral orel thanks for coming to my ted talk
I've never laughed and cried so much while watching a show. It's great.
So true watch morel orel
i came here looking for this comment. 100%
Even orel’s well intentioned boy commits atrocities schtik is better
I hated the name and characters in Moral Oral. Shit animation as well. Just my opinion. Have a good time watching it, ill try it again but make it a point to focus on the characters development rather than the flaws.
Reject gross-out comedy, embrace action drama.
If I'm gonna use gross-out elements, it ought to be played for horror.
So just watch anime then?
I remember seeing Elon tusk and thinking ok it’s over
Why? The show has always been referential
its joever
The age of Reddit and Morty is over
The era of Smiling Friends has begun
Unfortunatley
@@rougecherry3744 Absolutely not. Get outta here.
Based Pip
No, the era of Morshu has begun.
@@SSFhighcommandJOHN I don’t know I won’t lie, I think smiling friends is a lot like Rick and Morty, but faster paced. I would rather watch Rick and morty though…. Or I would if they did hate their audience :
I was like Hey that ASHES ON THE FIRE arrangement sounds similar, and I realize it was my arrangement XD Thanks for using my music and crediting me in the description box! I was strolling around TH-cam and stumbled on this video so discovering you using my arrangement is seriously just a coincidence!
Elon-Musk-Roasts Done Right:
'Some More News'.
I think peak Rick and Morty was the Interdimensional TV episodes.
It was so cool to see the writters come up with less-than-a-minute segments and build an entire episode with them.
Things started to feel were going south when they replaced the one episode formula that didn't had much of Rick and Morty into... clip show of Rick and Morty
I definitely did enjoy when Rick would be outmatched and then desperately start yelling "Run Morty! You have to run!" The point SHOULD be that Rick is a piece of shit and the show should prove that constantly by showing him lose due to him being a piece of shit. The Cronenberg episode was the best example of that. It did that in the earlier seasons. But, that is lacking in the later seasons.
“I’m not the one who mixed up a bunch of nonsense together” is one of my favorite lines in the show.
Hope your muscles get better after all that hard work.
Anyway, it's like EmpLemon said in his Rick & Morty video, the third season (namely a certain pickle-themed episode) just threw away a key component as to what made the first two seasons so compelling, the family dynamics of the Smith family, and instead have Susan Sarandon just outright explaining what people should interpret about the show as well as changing Rick's character motivations, making him an all-powerful god, more powerful than Haruhi goddamn Suzumiya, which isn't nearly as compelling as S1-2!
Anyway, amusing and entertaining vid as always!
This^
Powerful than Haruhi Suzumiya? Yep, we're doomed.
“Haruhi godamn Suzumiya” A tasteful comparison.
Love that you know who Haruhi Suzumiya is.
I know this is unrelated, but I’d like to point out that your editing and your humor has evolved GREATLY since the last time I watched one of your videos. This video is genuinely funny and I enjoyed it :D
Unsubscribed.
wait unsubcribed? lmao
You sound like a Rudy Ayoub fan.
Lol the editing was annoying to me. To each their own I guess. The video was great though. Homie had some really good points
its just meme references and self deprecation
I'd do me
Watching this made me think back on The Venture Brothers, and how that show masterfully handled the serial and episodic balance without ever insulting the audience for caring or falling into the trap of turning into a melodramatic soap opera. I think a large part of that is due to the fact that it was always written by just two guys with a clear vision for what they want to create.
To bad Adult Swim cancelled it because it wasn't a giant money maker. Reminder: unless there's cocaine covered gold plated hookers to snort meth off of with 1 million dollar bills at the end of the journey network executives and investors give no fucks
@@Grissbane it sucks that it got canned but we got seven seasons. That's really good for TV, and it's excellent for Adult Swim
@@salsamancer there are rumors of a VB movie that will tie everything up. I'm dying to know what Hank is up to after the season 7 ending. People say that the bear is actually Dean and Hanks mom
Honestly my reason for dropping off of the Show, was because it just takes soooo long to make another season for Rick and Morty, it's gotten to the point where I'll wait a few years until the show is finished, or has reached a good number of seasons where I can just binge watch it.
@Maryam Abdullah The same problem is what almost killed Attack on Titan, they waited 5 years to release season 2.
They’re now releasing a new season on a yearly basis
We can all agree (and you don't need a High IQ to understand) that the first two seasons of Rick and Morty were amazing, but since then, the series has been a mixed bag of mediocrity.
First 4 seasons were amazing. I still love rick and Morty, but their last season was weakest. There were no flaws in S1-S3 (👯♂️), lol. To each their own
I’d say season 3 was the best, with season 5 being the second best.
s2 was peak
@@TheBlueLink3 u high mate
Now I'm wondering...shouldn't all the other Ricks also have resurrected through the same Project Phoenixes?
Like...all the ones Rick and Evil Morty have killed on the citadel?
All alive, or they should be?
they showed that evil morty apparently redirected all the project phoenix chambers to that citadel blender where they were killed again, so i guess not
@@thekittynest Ah. So just the one's that Rick killed in the Citadel in that season then.
And Morty killed way more.
Perhaps many of them did. At least before the episode of evil Morty redirecting their programs to blender Chambers. Maybe some of them even had their old Phoenix program destroyed or maybe it was decommissioned for me and. Ended up going through other Phoenix programs in other universe it's just like Rick did in that one episode. I can probably go on and on about the possibilities. Especially in a world with infinite universes.
@TsuyoiOfFreedom3 and in one episode in like season 3 or 4, can't remember. Rick mentions he axed the Phoenix program. So presumably lots of other Rick's did too. Some didn't and they got blended in season 5
Rigamortus is a show that is depressing to watch.
I remember rewatching Season 5 because of how disappointed I was the first time and it just filled me with such emptiness.
It's like watching your best friend become more and more addicted to crack until you can't recognize them anymore. It's sad to even think about.
And it hurts even more to see Rick and Morty as what it is nowadays considering how refreshing and well-written the first two seasons were. I used to consider it one of my favorite cartoons of all time.
Knowing how there are 50 episodes left that were ordered, or more precisely, 5 more seasons, I can't imagine the show getting better or attempting to go back to basics. I can only imagine Richard and Mortimer succumbing to a deep depression of self-hatred until it finally pulls the trigger on itself and is left with a legacy of mediocrity and failure rather than its moment in the spotlight.
(That was a really bleak statement, holy shit.)
I also call this show riggamortus lol
ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN LIKES??????? WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKK
"I can only imagine Richard and Mortimer succumbing to a deep depression of self-hatred until it finally pulls the trigger on itself and is left with a legacy of mediocrity and failure rather than its moment in the spotlight."
Geez, imagine if the final scene of a final episode was a dark room with rotting, decrepit Rick and Morty, both of them looking incredibly unrecognizable from their previous selves. Imagine them spouting out various catchphrases and quips, trying to bring attention to their former fans.
Imagine Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland walking towards them with a stoic look on their faces. Imagine Justin looking at his creations with utter disappointment, while Dan looks at them with simple apathy. Imagine Dan raising a gun at these things, and pulling the trigger on both of them. So ends the legacy of Rick and Morty.
Holy shit, that was a bleak reply.
@@ejm1225 sounds like a meatcanyon video lol
Honestly my favorite episode is when morty takes Rick on an adventure and it goes wrong. It was just such an interesting episode of Rick actually caring about mortys adventure near the end and then him killing the jellybean without making it a joke or even telling morty- it just hit different. Or similar episodes like the purge where Rick doesnt telling morty that the candy bars weren’t the cause, or the time episode where he gave up his time collar.
I don’t see that kind of emotional anything in the show between rick or morty and it really did become “everyone hates everyone but with meta humor.”
Man that episode was joke after joke i remember laughing just continuously where i would have to pause the screen cause every line was a hit lol
I agree with most of your points, but my understanding as to why Beth loved Jerry was because he made her feel like she mattered. That she spent so much of her life chasing Rick's approval...Only to find out if she was the clone and he knew she found out he would kill her. It wasn't exactly written well but that was my understanding why she ran to Jerry, because he legitimately does love her and she realised what a shitty, horrible father and human being her dad Rick is, and how he has no attachment to her whatsoever and sees her was expendable.
I also really didn't like Summer in the episode where she turns herself giant (and Beth turns her inside out) as it makes her into a massive fucking hypocrite. She literally cheats on Ethan behind his back in episode 2 and we're meant to sympathise with her when he dumps her. And feel he is deserving of being Cronenberg'D by Morty when everyone ignores how she cheated on Ethan and he never found out about it. All we have to go on is Summer's reasoning why they broke up since we never get Ethan's side of the story.
If you’re aren’t old enough to see this play out life…you will
I must say it’s very saddening to see what this show’s become. Seasons 1 and 2 have always been great to rewatch but the rest of it doesn’t even resemble the same show. I’ve never really experienced seasonal rot like that before so it kinda stings lmfao rip.
I agree. I do enjoy season 3 though as well tbf.
rick and morty feels like a metaphor for the last few years. finally something good and fun that makes you optimistic about the state and quality of things. makes you happy. then it just gets bad but you try to hold on to it.then it gets worse and you leave it be. and then it just exists, dead and empty, maybe with flickers of the original joy coming out sometimes. it just feels like this is how ive been experiencing the last decade lmao
S3E1 is where it died. The story development was going so well and the characters were evolving on a great arc, and then this episode came along and reset everything. The entire season 3 was just a cringy self destructive mess, and each season after that only doubled down on this attitude
100% agree
The problem with Rick and Morty is the narcissism is funny....but there's a limit. 🤷
You know it’s times like this that make me really glad that my ADHD made me forget to keep up with this show once season 3 ended
Rick & Morty: It’s Ok to Have a Story
"you aren't evil you're just smart"" maybe the worst and most irresponsible line in any piece of media I've ever seen
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I actually wouldn't mind a video on Archer. Barely any videos on it, and I like to know how it declined in quality.
Honestly I wanna make one someday.
@@Cartoonshi dont let your memes be dreams
@@Cartoonshi archer has stayed stale with the characters. That’s where the decline is
Archer declined, but it still have appreciation from some of us
Also, I appreciate all the MGRR references in this video
The greatest sin of any franchise is to decide to over explain stuff that nobody wanted explained.
Giving us all of Ricks backstory just took away alot of his charm and intrigue
Star Was: KOTOR said it best.
"Apathy is death..."
@@Mrhellslayerz Speaking of Star Wars, the "Solo" movie spent about 30 mins on exactly this crap.
Most Star Wars fans know that in the first movie, Han Solo says the line about the Millennium Falcon that, "it's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs." If you look it up, a "parsec" is a real life term used in space... but it refers to distance, not time.
This became an inside joke for Star Wars fans. Obviously, George Lucas was looking for some "spacey"-sounding words to throw in his script, so he looks some up, but in his haste didn't realize the word he picked made the line nonsensical. He-he, good laugh, Lucas ain't perfect. End of story.
...then the Solo movies spends a good 20-30 mins trying to force it to make sense with the most convoluted and unnecessary plotline I have ever seen. They make up a stupid freaking space station that for some reason is in the middle of giant cloud of dust and rocks, and the "Kessel Run" is a secret path through it, until...
You know what, I just can't. Can't even explain it, it's that stupid. They took what was a cute joke fans liked toss around, and took it WAY too seriously. It's like the script writers of Solo never seen or liked any Star Wars film before, so in attempt to feel grounded in the community took to online discussion forums, saw the joke, and thought what fans really wanted was: "to have it explained in excruciating detail"? When all they really did was ruin a cute inside joke, cause now whenever I re-watch to hear my favorite line about "12 parsecs", it reminds me of that horrible Solo movie.
@@TheLargeHardonCollider Yeah, that whole "explaining the Kessel Run line" thing was really stupid. I had a little headcanon that it was just a BS line Solo used to gauge how much the potential clients knew about space in order to figure out how much he could get away with trying to charge them.
Took me 2 seconds to come up with as soon as I found out what a parsec was
eh not really
I'm really hoping Smiling Friends doesn't go down the same path and that the fan base doesn't become completely cancerous
I said something about Rick's intelligence before on Just Stop's video:
"I mean, Rick being the 'smartest man in the universe' there's nothing innately wrong with it for me. Because of the simple idea that he has the capacity to do things beyond what's possible because of his intelligence.
But despite that, Rick is shown to lack the wisdom (mostly) that comes with being incredibly smart, especially of someone his age. That may be an issue to some but I'm rather indifferent to it."
That's a misconception. Wisdom and intelligence are as unrelated as sarcasm and irony.
I think the whole point of his character was someone who was a fucking space genius and still really incompetent at the same time, that’s the joke
I was definitely “sprung” on this show when it released. It felt genuine at the least and brought some interesting concepts on how a “regular” person deals with these over the top adventures. I stopped mid season 3 cause I knew exactly the direction they were headed. It’s sad, almost like seeing an Ex spiraling downwards after the breakup, but ehhh… what can you do about it.
What were the clues in season three that the show was headed south? I actually liked season three...
Hahaha what BS this show came out at like 2 am on adult swim when it first aired i doubt you were watching adult swim in the middle of the night looking for something "genuine" between the viewings of American dad and squidbillies. The people who were actually watching it were enjoying it the way it was meant to be which is stoned af and not taking it nearly that seriously.
🤓🤓
@@polarvortex3294 I can’t pinpoint the exact clues OP is referring to but season 3 just had a different feel to the first two. It was the first season to bring in a lot of new writers while a lot from the first two seasons left
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoods8202 It's so strange, in way, that a super-successful show would shake things up like they did. You see it sometimes in sports where a winning coach is fired for some reason, and often it blows up after a season or so. Anyway, after thinking about season 3, I'd say that, for me, the good shows were so fun they made up for the bad shows, or the bad parts of shows, that started showing up. And I was able to ignore any troubling signs that I noticed. For instance, in The Rickshank Rickdemption, the evil bug empire was killed off really easily. This was a powerful empire that was built up over several great episodes. You had to fear them. Poof! Gone. This should have told me that nothing is sacred and you shouldn't invest any thought thinking about future plot-lines, but I just enjoyed the episode instead. In The Vindicators & also in The Rickchurian Mortydate Rick was basically all-powerful. This should have led me to ask: If Rick can do anything at any time, how can there be any real drama or tension in future shows? Over time, also, Morty became less innocent and harder to root for. But I just smiled and watched...
I really trusted that show and looked forward to seeing them. The long layoffs were very frustrating! I'd re-watch the old shows many times. Now, I couldn't say what season they are on.
I can literally feel the writers' stress and tired pressure just by watching season 5.
I actually wanna bring this up cause it's really cool
When rick reveals he didn't actually care about Morty in the vindicators (or however it's spelled) episode, he's in a different place, presumably the place they are actually in, because it implies that he's replacing the footage to avoid having to confess to it
If they didn't want sequential stories, they never should have done them, or just committed to what they started and finished it with a nice bow before transitioning back to segmented adventures, not give up halfway through and mock the audience for liking it.
I'll never understand shows attacking their fans. A funny elbow to the audience from time to time is fine, but the amount of seething hatred and contempt shows like Rick & Morty show for them is just irritating and uncomfortable. Like, sorry for watching your show and for being invested in the world you set up, I'll go watch a different one? idfk jesus.
Yep
I lost most artistic respect for Dan Harmon, when he was fired from community for being a horrible person, but then as soon as he was rehired, mocks the writers who had taken his place for season 4.
@@kyleellis1825 What did he do?
@@ron4202 Was sexually harrasing a writer named Megan Ganz. That combined with being so difficult to work with and his show not being as succesful as expected, gives him no right to mock the people who kept the show on tv while he dealt with his demons.
He did apologize and she accepted it, so it does seem like he learned his lesson (unlike many).
It's actually why the Jeff/Annie ship which had been building in season 4, was tanked as soon as season 5 came back with Dan.
@@ron4202 hope he comes back
I still enjoy the show, but the pessimism and dark brand of humor for old fast. I’m glad they tried something new in season five with Rick and Morty’s relationship, and I do love the evil morty lore. I think if they continue to do that and find ways to change things up they can keep the show going.
Its good to have you back and Hopefully Rick and Monty becomes good agin i stop watching the show around season 3 .
Rick and Morty complaining about serialisation is like that one kid who stopped giving a shit about revising a subject in school after getting good grades for a while, failing tests because they couldn't be bothered to learn, then complaining about how "the school system has failed" them.
I'll never forget the time at the height of it's popularity I was in a club and had about 3 or 4 people talk to me about the show. I wasn't really into it, but I never hated it so talking about it got a bit stale. One guy when I said I wasn't really into it just turned around and walked away. Not complaining, at least I didn't have to listen to him tell me how brilliant the show was.