You remind me so much of my dad in your working things out. I'm miss him very much, and watching your videos is very comforting. Keep up the good work and stay safe.
I've come across it before now with those plaster ceiling rose decorations with the pendant loop live connections in connector blocks above the pendant and being loose.
I am roughly the same age as you and like you I have found so many different faults I laugh now because some of the things I found fuseboxes in the loft. Sockets left under the floor ( still live ) taped joints some with sellotape to many handymen around kitchen fitters etc. When I was a apprentice I was told be a master of a trade not a jack of all trades. I enjoy watching you as we’re from the same time and I also watch the new younger sparks. ( my nephew is one ) so much has changed now. More paperwork. A lot more regs. I will retire in a year or 2 but loved every min of my sparky days
I feel your pain. I wouldn’t run a new circuit to the switch without power unless i can remove the faulty part of the circuit. I would probably narrow it down by seeing if the break affects just the live or neutral or both
Evening Del Yeah can be pain fault finding & additional switches lights Good to see two lighting circuits , just be carefull of neutral backfeed being on both circuits for safe isolation if possible ? Praise the lord as always
Been at many jobs like this myself Del. Really just wants ripping out and starting again, you can be there forever trying to figure out how someone has wired it, then for all you know a diyer has altered it, another spark has came behind him and added in and picked up a feed and neutral from a junction box in the loft or something. it’ll just do your head in.
The best fault finding spark - these are your best vids Del. Thankyou to you and junior for showing us. It’s a rats nest yes I would be re-wiring tracing out the circuit is the only real way. Not sure you get the ideal sure trace system in the UK it’s a great tool we use in the USA to trace a circuit and breaker from any wire. Its a tool that allows you to trace the wire through walls and floors without having to pull them up or damage the walls. It’s would be hours of work just to identify the wiring layout belling it out without this tool would take 4 times as long.
@@roydowling2542 to do that he would have to be either breaking up ceiling or going from the flat above to find all the joints/splices. That’s a big job. His suggestion is a safe fix getting things working without tearing the house apart. Unless the landlord wants you to do a full rewire which frankly needs it given the age of the fusebox itself. Sometimes there is only so much you are asked to do.
@@g.t.36 take a look at the following. As I said this is for the US market but it’s something that could be done for the UK market. There are other models from other companies like ambprobe as well. It’s very useful. www.idealcircuit-tracer.com
@@roydowling2542 and from the video he edited and put together it does not mean he did not do that testing either. He just did not show it. On that basis with faulty cables or shorts he would have to break into the ceilings and then he may discover a bigger issue. Yes it does need a rewire but somebody has to agree to pay for that I don’t think the customer was interested in that kind of work.
I was born in dominica came here when I was 6 years and took the same opportunity as you worked for EDF Quinn's electrical then worked for myself. We've probably crossed paths in Tottenham doing a good job be safe my brother.
I cannot understand all them cables into one connection of a intermediate switch it should be just a pair of strappers going in and a pair of strappers going out, was the two way switching OK in the past before the fault I don't see how it could be working properly I must be missing something.
Looks like billy the bodger has tapped off the switch either to another light or switch , take a month of sundays to sort that , quite possibly had two lighting circuits originally , someone trying to bypass a fault pulled one out . Really needs a rewire
Very few diy own up to it but it's usually quite obvious to the attending electrician if I ask how long the lights have not worked as are not for a long time sometimes it's just a blown lamp
I would personally be offering a full lighting rewire because it’s a mess. You’d need RCD protection adding if your going to add a new lighting circuit
That’s a nightmare of a job I had a job like that Bounds Green builders done ext run off with guys money and they chop lighting circuit off for downstairs all lights stop working could not get access to floorboards upstairs another flat I had to end up rewiring the whole flat make holes in the ceiling and it was similar sort of house or flat long runs cable plus plaster ceiling roses it was hell
Hi Delroy I'm an old school sparks I started just like you. I'm watching one of your TH-cam channels there's some rubbish so called sparks out there. I'm sure there's only one way to do a lighting circuit and that's a 3 plate system. From the db to the first light and then the switch and mark it and so on.
Standard loop system. Now most of us bring neutrals to the switch. So same as before but loop is in the switch not at the pendant. Makes life easier for smart switches to be installed that need a neutral.
1st question is "has it ever worked before" If it has find out if anyones touched anything since it's stopped working. If it's worked before someone has changed something or a little fluffy rodent has been chewing away...
If that is an intermediate switch then that should be ringing alarm bells straight away. An intermediate should never have that many cores. It looks like it’s got feeds in one terminal.
I once fitted a new light fitting on my sisters house. I was shocked to find out that all her wires in the house that went to the fuse box was the same colour included earth. They was all red.
You remind me so much of my dad in your working things out. I'm miss him very much, and watching your videos is very comforting.
Keep up the good work and stay safe.
First thing I ask "has it ever worked?" - second thing I ask - " any DIY or other work been done?"
Almost finished my level 2 at college, so interesting watching your videos Delroy, I got not practical experience, learning alot. Thanks
Best of luck
I've come across it before now with those plaster ceiling rose decorations with the pendant loop live connections in connector blocks above the pendant and being loose.
A superb job as always dell.av bin a spark for 20 odd years.
That takes me back to many lighting faults over the years..
Cheers Stephen
I am roughly the same age as you and like you I have found so many different faults I laugh now because some of the things I found fuseboxes in the loft. Sockets left under the floor ( still live ) taped joints some with sellotape to many handymen around kitchen fitters etc. When I was a apprentice I was told be a master of a trade not a jack of all trades. I enjoy watching you as we’re from the same time and I also watch the new younger sparks. ( my nephew is one ) so much has changed now. More paperwork. A lot more regs. I will retire in a year or 2 but loved every min of my sparky days
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I feel your pain. I wouldn’t run a new circuit to the switch without power unless i can remove the faulty part of the circuit. I would probably narrow it down by seeing if the break affects just the live or neutral or both
There seems a lot of cables going into that intermediate switch, 4 Reds in the same terminal, it wants ripping out and starting again
Thanks for your contribution
Evening Del
Yeah can be pain fault finding & additional switches lights
Good to see two lighting circuits , just be carefull of neutral backfeed being on both circuits for safe isolation if possible ?
Praise the lord as always
Cheers for the comment
Lovely work as usual mate.
Cheers MMG. One of the longest subscribers. Really appreciate it
Cheers MMG. One of the longest subscribers. Thanks a bunch
Your channel is fantastic, great spark and a very knowledgeable keep it up 👍
Been at many jobs like this myself Del. Really just wants ripping out and starting again, you can be there forever trying to figure out how someone has wired it, then for all you know a diyer has altered it, another spark has came behind him and added in and picked up a feed and neutral from a junction box in the loft or something. it’ll just do your head in.
The best fault finding spark - these are your best vids Del. Thankyou to you and junior for showing us. It’s a rats nest yes I would be re-wiring tracing out the circuit is the only real way. Not sure you get the ideal sure trace system in the UK it’s a great tool we use in the USA to trace a circuit and breaker from any wire. Its a tool that allows you to trace the wire through walls and floors without having to pull them up or damage the walls.
It’s would be hours of work just to identify the wiring layout belling it out without this tool would take 4 times as long.
What's the tool you use
@@roydowling2542 to do that he would have to be either breaking up ceiling or going from the flat above to find all the joints/splices. That’s a big job. His suggestion is a safe fix getting things working without tearing the house apart. Unless the landlord wants you to do a full rewire which frankly needs it given the age of the fusebox itself. Sometimes there is only so much you are asked to do.
@@g.t.36 take a look at the following. As I said this is for the US market but it’s something that could be done for the UK market. There are other models from other companies like ambprobe as well. It’s very useful.
www.idealcircuit-tracer.com
@@mathman0101 Thank you
@@roydowling2542 and from the video he edited and put together it does not mean he did not do that testing either. He just did not show it.
On that basis with faulty cables or shorts he would have to break into the ceilings and then he may discover a bigger issue.
Yes it does need a rewire but somebody has to agree to pay for that I don’t think the customer was interested in that kind of work.
I was born in dominica came here when I was 6 years and took the same opportunity as you worked for EDF Quinn's electrical then worked for myself. We've probably crossed paths in Tottenham doing a good job be safe my brother.
Thanks for your kind words
@@eastwayelectrical no problem mr D
Oh my goodness a whole lot of continuity testing with a wander lead. I feel for you.
Mate you do get the rough end of the deal sometimes makes a great video good work all the best
I can feel yr pain...yr so patient buddy
Just a question: Why don't electricians leave a circuit-drawing behind (in the fuse box)?
I think Bundy does a lot of methodical stuff with electrics. Think he labels everything.
Looks like someone's had a right play with that wiring
I cannot understand all them cables into one connection of a intermediate switch it should be just a pair of strappers going in and a pair of strappers going out, was the two way switching OK in the past before the fault I don't see how it could be working properly I must be missing something.
I know. Something seriously wrong in that switch if that’s an intermediate
Looks like billy the bodger has tapped off the switch either to another light or switch , take a month of sundays to sort that , quite possibly had two lighting circuits originally , someone trying to bypass a fault pulled one out . Really needs a rewire
Someone’s just taken a feed for a light from the common, you can see there is a neutral in the patress
Nice job and video
Where those wires were taped together in the back of the box, I would be tempted to connect them with small wagos and see if that solves the problem.
Thanks for the suggestion
Good job dell
Don’t like this method old school
Very kind words
Good job.
Very few diy own up to it but it's usually quite obvious to the attending electrician if I ask how long the lights have not worked as are not for a long time sometimes it's just a blown lamp
A always start with the mains B never put joins under the floor in a grd floor flat 👍
Thanks for the comment
I would personally be offering a full lighting rewire because it’s a mess.
You’d need RCD protection adding if your going to add a new lighting circuit
Appreciate your contribution
@@eastwayelectrical sorry I just re-read my comment and it sounded a bit snarky. It wasn’t meant that way. Wasn’t trying to tell you what to do etc 😂
That’s a nightmare of a job I had a job like that Bounds Green builders done ext run off with guys money and they chop lighting circuit off for downstairs all lights stop working could not get access to floorboards upstairs another flat I had to end up rewiring the whole flat make holes in the ceiling and it was similar sort of house or flat long runs cable plus plaster ceiling roses it was hell
Imran what is your company called?
Sounds crazy
@@zippymo672 I k electrics
If the feeds are coming from the floor, why didn't you pop up some of the un-carpeted floorboards? Probably Y-joints under there?
Hi Delroy I'm an old school sparks I started just like you. I'm watching one of your TH-cam channels there's some rubbish so called sparks out there. I'm sure there's only one way to do a lighting circuit and that's a 3 plate system. From the db to the first light and then the switch and mark it and so on.
Standard loop system.
Now most of us bring neutrals to the switch. So same as before but loop is in the switch not at the pendant.
Makes life easier for smart switches to be installed that need a neutral.
2 plates also easier for fault-finding
Ceiling rose off and check for power👍
I had to take a double look at video, only 3 fuses running a flat ? Needs a re-wire before it burns down. Another great video
Cheers
That’s the live and neutral at switch and loop at the light 💡 1 cable but it is definitely got jobs somewhere del
Appreciate the comment Imran
Definitely a re-wire
I think so too
its possible mice could have eaten through cable insulation in ceilings, no harm to do a IR test...
1st question is "has it ever worked before"
If it has find out if anyones touched anything since it's stopped working.
If it's worked before someone has changed something or a little fluffy rodent has been chewing away...
Try fault finding and repairing something like an audio amplifier with several faults!!!!!!
that fuse board is not in reg. made off plastic and next to the door. it should be in a cupboard or box.
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IR test ??
“ Elec tricks” and the electric human body.
Probably a mixture of 2 plate and 3
Burn it, burn it all!
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If that is an intermediate switch then that should be ringing alarm bells straight away. An intermediate should never have that many cores. It looks like it’s got feeds in one terminal.
I saw a pigs ear in that 2nd switch. 😂
Cheers pal. Good to see you in the comments
Delroy there is always DIY and people who dose not know how to do the electrics
i know this wiring will send wiring diagram if you like
Déjà vu lol
I once fitted a new light fitting on my sisters house. I was shocked to find out that all her wires in the house that went to the fuse box was the same colour included earth. They was all red.
I love this stuff, but I always want to know the prices I am a capitalist pig dog.
useless ...
Delroy =not very good footage ,cannot see whats going on ;;
Thanks for the feedback