Franz Joseph Haydn 1732-1809 had two brothers - John Michael 1737-1806 who worked mainly in Salzburg and taught Mozart and Spurious Haydn 43 BC to present, who had a great deal of excellent music attributed to him, little or none of which he wrote. This quartet and the Op. 3 are attributed to him but probably written by someone else. I like the Andante cantabile second movement.
The op.3 quartets were merely attributed to Haydn. They were actually composed by Haydn's contemporary Hoffstetter. Perhaps this was not as yet known, when Kubin Quartet recorded them in 1994. Roman Hoffstetter (1742-1815) Nationality: German Born: April 24, 1742, Laudenbach Died: May 21, 1815, Miltenberg (age 73) wikipedia | imslp
Yes, we take note of this fact, unfortunately we did not know this years ago. It's still beautiful music, very well known Andante cantabile, definitely worth playing this work.
The issue of the fraudulent mis-attribution to Haydn was definitively resolved in 1964 by HC Robbins Landon and Alan Tyson.* Besides establishing that Opus3 was definitely *not* by Haydn, it also became clear that there was only flimsy, and circumstantial evidence that perhaps two of the set of six *might* be by Pater Romanus Hofstetter (1742 - 1815). (If you care to learn more, I have summarised the case elsewhere if you look on TH-cam for Opus 3, and in particular No 5). * Tyson wrote a fascinating book on Mozart based on a forensic investigation of a number of his autograph scores, so he was something of an expert in this area; HC Robbins Landon of course needs no introduction.
The best piece of Haydn.... and it wasn't compossed by him..... it was compossed by Hoffstetter, one of the Haydn fans and attributed, for error, to him.
I would say the first masterpiece composed for string quartet was Haydn's Opus 9, no. 4, then his Opus 17, no. 5, and then his set of Opus 20's and certainly various others of his as well as of other composers too. This is nice, but methinks this one isn't even close to those.
Poor Haydn, this isn’t the only great work of his that isn’t by him. There’s the Toy Symphony (Leopoldo Mozart) and the St Anthony Chorale. And his Flute Concerto. Fortunately for Haydn such was his creative genius that his greatness and fame can more than thrive without these fine works from his CV.
@@paulwl3159 There were others as well (‘Ox’ or ‘Oxen Minuet’ for example*), it was pretty common practice in the 18th century for publishers to substitute best-selling names for less well-known composers. HC Robbins Landon has shown that when this ‘Haydn Opus 3’ was first published by Bailleux of Paris in 1777, in the period 1775 - 1780, there was in fact *more* fake Haydn published in that city than there was genuine Haydn. (During the slightly earlier period 1765 - 1775, the percentage of spurious to genuine Haydn was about 50/50). And it wasn’t just Haydn: ever heard ‘Mozart’s Symphony 37’ ? That had to wait until 1907 to be removed from the list and correctly identified and explained. The attribution to Hofstetter is not secure either; the evidence that maybe two of the set of six *might* be by him is flimsy, and circumstantial at best, and to a degree, dependent on Bailleux who as we know from his fraudulent Haydn ‘attribution’, is hardly a reliable witness. * I think Haydn’s pupil at the time Ignaz Pleyel - or some unknown hand - may well have composed a significant part (all ?) of the marionette singspiel Die Feuersbrunst c.1775/78.
Possibly; the evidence for two of the set of six - *not* including Opus 3 No 5 - is flimsy, and circumstantial at best. (You’re right though, it’s definitely not by Haydn).
300th Like! Wonderful video and spectacular Andante Cantabile.
Thank you for your words of appreciation.
00:00 Presto
04:33 Andante cantabile
10:02 Menuetto
13:26 Scherzando
Hard to find words for the second movement. One of the great moments in all classical music. I can't listen without tears.
Fantastic performance!
"Step up...to finer smoking pleasure". The second movement was the background to the great Ernie Kovacs Dutch Masters cigar ads.
awesome and very comfortable to listen.. super!!
Thank you!
This is an extraordinary performance of a truly delightful string quartet, whoever composed it.
Thank you...
I'm playing this for school and when I'm practicing at home I love playing along to this recording :,) thank you
maravillas hechas por los artistas para los verdaderos espíritus que anhelan elevarse.
Beautiful !!
Franz Joseph Haydn 1732-1809 had two brothers - John Michael 1737-1806 who worked mainly in Salzburg and taught Mozart and Spurious Haydn 43 BC to present, who had a great deal of excellent music attributed to him, little or none of which he wrote.
This quartet and the Op. 3 are attributed to him but probably written by someone else. I like the Andante cantabile second movement.
The op.3 quartets were merely attributed to Haydn. They were actually composed by Haydn's contemporary Hoffstetter. Perhaps this was not as yet known, when Kubin Quartet recorded them in 1994.
Roman Hoffstetter (1742-1815)
Nationality: German
Born: April 24, 1742, Laudenbach Died: May 21, 1815, Miltenberg (age 73)
wikipedia | imslp
Yes, we take note of this fact, unfortunately we did not know this years ago. It's still beautiful music, very well known Andante cantabile, definitely worth playing this work.
The issue of the fraudulent mis-attribution to Haydn was definitively resolved in 1964 by HC Robbins Landon and Alan Tyson.*
Besides establishing that Opus3 was definitely *not* by Haydn, it also became clear that there was only flimsy, and circumstantial evidence that perhaps two of the set of six *might* be by Pater Romanus Hofstetter (1742 - 1815).
(If you care to learn more, I have summarised the case elsewhere if you look on TH-cam for Opus 3, and in particular No 5).
* Tyson wrote a fascinating book on Mozart based on a forensic investigation of a number of his autograph scores, so he was something of an expert in this area; HC Robbins Landon of course needs no introduction.
I second trilingual28 that 4:36 is the best part of this piece, which I am learning on the piano now.
바이올린 선율이참좋아요
The last two movements are very similar in sound to Haydn's zingarese (gypsy dances) and landler (German dances).
Very nice!
Excellent..
4:36 is the best part...
The best piece of Haydn.... and it wasn't compossed by him..... it was compossed by Hoffstetter, one of the Haydn fans and attributed, for error, to him.
I would say the first masterpiece composed for string quartet was Haydn's Opus 9, no. 4, then his Opus 17, no. 5, and then his set of Opus 20's and certainly various others of his as well as of other composers too. This is nice, but methinks this one isn't even close to those.
Poor Haydn, this isn’t the only great work of his that isn’t by him. There’s the Toy Symphony (Leopoldo Mozart) and the St Anthony Chorale. And his Flute Concerto. Fortunately for Haydn such was his creative genius that his greatness and fame can more than thrive without these fine works from his CV.
@@paulwl3159
There were others as well (‘Ox’ or ‘Oxen Minuet’ for example*), it was pretty common practice in the 18th century for publishers to substitute best-selling names for less well-known composers.
HC Robbins Landon has shown that when this ‘Haydn Opus 3’ was first published by Bailleux of Paris in 1777, in the period 1775 - 1780, there was in fact *more* fake Haydn published in that city than there was genuine Haydn.
(During the slightly earlier period 1765 - 1775, the percentage of spurious to genuine Haydn was about 50/50).
And it wasn’t just Haydn: ever heard ‘Mozart’s Symphony 37’ ?
That had to wait until 1907 to be removed from the list and correctly identified and explained.
The attribution to Hofstetter is not secure either; the evidence that maybe two of the set of six *might* be by him is flimsy, and circumstantial at best, and to a degree, dependent on Bailleux who as we know from his fraudulent Haydn ‘attribution’, is hardly a reliable witness.
* I think Haydn’s pupil at the time Ignaz Pleyel - or some unknown hand - may well have composed a significant part (all ?) of the marionette singspiel Die Feuersbrunst c.1775/78.
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Roman Hoffstetter (1742-1815)
Possibly; the evidence for two of the set of six - *not* including Opus 3 No 5 - is flimsy, and circumstantial at best.
(You’re right though, it’s definitely not by Haydn).