On your complaint about breaking the theme of having to “run back to deal with an eviction notice during a battle.” I believe others have stated that the actual fight/interaction is supposed to take place over several days. Hence, the Scheme/Plan tokens and side schemes. Throughout those days the heroes have to deal with their Alter-ego obligations, which yes are trivial in comparison to fighting but as you see even in the MCU, they care a lot about living normal lives. I think it’s pretty cool.
If that's the case, then no problem. Just seems odd on some schemes, for e..g Ultron attacking the military base for example or even just Rhino breaking in to a bank.
@@TheBrokenMeeple - I believe even the schemes themselves are supposed to represent multiple-hour to multiple-day events.. you're not just dealing with Rhino as he's pounding on the walls of the bank, you're trying to stop him from gathering blueprints, recruiting henchmen, having a quick dust-up when you spot him somewhere but that fight ends in escape not capture/defeat... that sort of thing.
I like Champions over Legendary. I felt more of a Marvel character in Champions rather than random character and item cards centralized around a particular theme.
My personal take on switching between alter-ego and hero form make sense. In marvel comics, the battle usually drag out more than a day. So when the hero switch back to alter-ego, take it as they retreat or the enemy retreat to fight another day.
Wait, are we complaining about a FFG insert when they actually made something marginally better than a piece of cardboard with a trough in the middle? lol
@@TheBrokenMeeple Havin the game, I actually agree with this. YAY they put an insert but come on no dividers. I had to create my own. How could they not think about Dividers...I would even pay $5 more for the dividers sigh
Rhino is a Spidey villain. Klaw is a Black Panther villain. Ultron is an Avengers villain. This is the Avengers cycle (Avengers A as the set icon in the bottom corner of the cards.) The three villains link up as a small campaign. Ultron, as the Crimson Cowl hires Klaw (an arms dealer) to get him some gear. Klaw hires Rhino to steal the vibranium he needs to make the gear.
Interesting.. I had no idea Klaw started as a BP baddie all the way back in the 60s.. my experience with him was all in the 80s when he was firmly in the Avengers/FF pool. Glad I checked before correcting you. =) Would it be correct to assume he's been swung back around to the Wakanda end of the universe with the Present Powerful Panther Popularity?
Thanks Luke! I was curious what your take on this was. Would you still get this if you would only be playing this 3 player? I already have everything Sentinels, and 2 player we will almost always pull out LoTR LCG or one of the cooperative dungeon crawls.
I still don’t know wether to buy Marvel Champions or not. I got halfways (almost) with LotR, and got AH with one deluxe cycle. And finally I got Sentinels otM. And besides that Marvel is not my favourite universe. But it sure looks great and sounds fun 🙂 Thanks for the long awaited review Luke, others seems as enthusiastic as you do, so it sure gets popular.
I would be honest with yourself and say whether you would keep up with releases given that you have two other LCG games on the go. Maybe a try before you buy scenario as well as budgeting for time/cost.
My gaming group is 4 guys. We like strategy and games with interaction. Which game would be best? I have Aeons end coming and everyone already liked the campaign for hero realms. Should I go for Sentinels or this? How much down time would there be with 4 players?
I think the down time with 4 is a bit much in Champions even though there is some interaction . Both games work great though I will say, Aeon was based heavily on Sentinels. Sentinels I say is better and it's perfectly balanced at 4 players. If you want something a bit different, then Champions will still work out.
I’m loving this game too. Like you said it’s similar to their other lcgs like Arkham and Lotr but has its own feel. My only complaint for this game is the cost of the core box is really Op. My favorite things about this is how comic accurate the heroes and villains feel and play along with the deck building mechanic with the different aspects. I think even though they are different this will prob make legendary obsolete for me unless I’m okaying with more than 2 people and they are new gamers.
I really don’t think that 3 or 4 players is an issue with experienced players who are going at it fast. 4 might be too much but with 3 it should definitely be a superior experience than 2. That’s my theory at least, haven’t gotten to trying it yet with 3 or 4
Yeah, of my 6 plays, half of those were at 3 player and I found that to be just as good as 2 player, just different. 2 is a bit snappier but it's almost over too soon. 4 was too slow. 3 may just be the sweet spot.
It's a slower game though and you're not always going to have those kind of players. 1-2 player has been the sweet spot for me and I love it solo. 3 player only if everyone knows the game inside and out and even then the HP scale up quite dramatically. 4 player i'm avoiding like the plague.
As for the dividers... The cycle ends with the story pack in July 2020, and the nature of that pack's contents are still a secret (as are the identities of the heroes from hero packs 4, 5, &6 ... though we do know it's a female and two males), so dividers could be a spoiler for the cycle, so I am betting that the story pack will have the dividers in.
will you make another video after year of expansions? cause this game just get 200% better with all the expansions. Although, to player count, 3 experienced players has synergies and interactions and feel richier than 2. but 2 is best imho :)
I comment on them, but I don't know if I'm an expert enough to rate them all - this is one of those games you can cherry pick what you buy essentially.
Unfortunately, my first game was with 4p and in expert mode & It went way too long. I just worry that each deck has a way it should be played (like Ironman) and you just play it the same way every time with that character.
I'm hoping the aspects will differ the gameplay for each hero enough. The card pool is shallow at the moment, but hopefully each aspect will start to feel more distinguished as the card pool increases. Weve already had a card spoilt (avengers tower) that ties to the avengers trait, which is cool for theme and deck making decisions.
Marvel is abut super heroes that also lead regular lives. So the obligation cards are a nod to that. I was reading a Marvel Comic and shit was getting crazy but some guy was worried about his relationship with his girl friend.
Loving this game so much and based off the previews I’ve seen so far showing such radically different hero play styles I’m definitely in for the long haul. Top game of the year hands down! Also, the 3/4 player problem goes away with experienced players. But I’m ONLY playing it that way with veteran players. 2 is the sweet spot still.
I dont know what to do with this game. I love Marvel, but I already have 90% of LOTR and everything released in AH. I am not sure if there is room in my shelf for a third solo coop LCG.
@@TheBrokenMeeple I think they will stop LotR LCG entirely, but that's just speculation based on a few people telling me that sales of it are down, plus a deal with Marvel being far more lucrative
I mentioned it in a comment above but Ms Marvel and She-hulk are getting Disney series, so I imagine FFG has had some instruction on heroes Disney expect to see early. She-hulk is the only one of the five that is particularly surprising in a core set. But yes, the avengers heroes are always going to sell so having them separate is a smart move for FFG.
@@scottwallbank4794 Agreed... you can't blow your whole staple of super-popular characters right outta the gate with this kind of game, gotta leave some anticipation for things to come. Subtly promoting upcoming Disney+ series that feature well regarded but less well-known characters gives some nice double--duty there.
Best with 3-5 players: Sentinels of the Multiverse Best with 1 or 2 players: Marvel Champions Best with 0 players: Marvel Legendary. So yes, there is room for all 3 games 😎
Best on an ipad, never to be ever, ever played physically ever again: Sentinels of the Multiverse Best with 2-3: Marvel Champions Best in a dumpster fire: Marvel Legendary Fix't that for you.
I never got the hate for Legendary. It also doesn't take very long to set it up after I got custom dividers and the hobby lobby case, as well as the scheme/hero randomizer app.
@@chrismurphy9932 Choosing the heros ain't difficult but having to then get the hero deck shuffled properly (you can't just do a basic shuffle) and then the same with the villain deck and then probably re-learn a few keywords and also do a scheme it takes a while.
@@TheBrokenMeeple Fair enough. I just create four piles and shuffle them together for both the hero and villain decks, I find it the quickest way to make sure it's the most random. Also, there's a document on BGG you can print off that has every keyword in alphabetical order. That's a problem if you want to keep buying new sets for sure, but it's fine for me because I stopped buying them when I filled up my case :)
On your complaint about breaking the theme of having to “run back to deal with an eviction notice during a battle.” I believe others have stated that the actual fight/interaction is supposed to take place over several days. Hence, the Scheme/Plan tokens and side schemes. Throughout those days the heroes have to deal with their Alter-ego obligations, which yes are trivial in comparison to fighting but as you see even in the MCU, they care a lot about living normal lives. I think it’s pretty cool.
If that's the case, then no problem. Just seems odd on some schemes, for e..g Ultron attacking the military base for example or even just Rhino breaking in to a bank.
@@TheBrokenMeeple - I believe even the schemes themselves are supposed to represent multiple-hour to multiple-day events.. you're not just dealing with Rhino as he's pounding on the walls of the bank, you're trying to stop him from gathering blueprints, recruiting henchmen, having a quick dust-up when you spot him somewhere but that fight ends in escape not capture/defeat... that sort of thing.
I like Champions over Legendary. I felt more of a Marvel character in Champions rather than random character and item cards centralized around a particular theme.
My personal take on switching between alter-ego and hero form make sense.
In marvel comics, the battle usually drag out more than a day. So when the hero switch back to alter-ego, take it as they retreat or the enemy retreat to fight another day.
Wait, are we complaining about a FFG insert when they actually made something marginally better than a piece of cardboard with a trough in the middle? lol
Not the insert, the lack of dividers.
@@TheBrokenMeeple Havin the game, I actually agree with this. YAY they put an insert but come on no dividers. I had to create my own. How could they not think about Dividers...I would even pay $5 more for the dividers sigh
Rhino is a Spidey villain. Klaw is a Black Panther villain. Ultron is an Avengers villain. This is the Avengers cycle (Avengers A as the set icon in the bottom corner of the cards.)
The three villains link up as a small campaign. Ultron, as the Crimson Cowl hires Klaw (an arms dealer) to get him some gear. Klaw hires Rhino to steal the vibranium he needs to make the gear.
Cool, yeah I saw the progression. My knowledge of Black Panther outside of the movie though is non existent.
Interesting.. I had no idea Klaw started as a BP baddie all the way back in the 60s.. my experience with him was all in the 80s when he was firmly in the Avengers/FF pool. Glad I checked before correcting you. =)
Would it be correct to assume he's been swung back around to the Wakanda end of the universe with the Present Powerful Panther Popularity?
24:52 Freudian slip lol
Thorough review, Luke. I also like that you don't affect a "radio voice".
A what sorry?
I mean to say that you sound authentic in your videos, as opposed to some other game reviewers on youtube.
@@A._J_. Ah right!! :-)
Thanks Luke! I was curious what your take on this was. Would you still get this if you would only be playing this 3 player? I already have everything Sentinels, and 2 player we will almost always pull out LoTR LCG or one of the cooperative dungeon crawls.
It plays fine with 3. I wouldn't run it at 4 often, too slow, but 3 is fine.
It's going to be a slower game, but it's functional at 3.
Great video! Do you see the game to deviate a lot from aeons end?
Oh it's very different from Aeons.
I still don’t know wether to buy Marvel Champions or not. I got halfways (almost) with LotR, and got AH with one deluxe cycle. And finally I got Sentinels otM.
And besides that Marvel is not my favourite universe. But it sure looks great and sounds fun 🙂
Thanks for the long awaited review Luke, others seems as enthusiastic as you do, so it sure gets popular.
I would be honest with yourself and say whether you would keep up with releases given that you have two other LCG games on the go.
Maybe a try before you buy scenario as well as budgeting for time/cost.
My gaming group is 4 guys. We like strategy and games with interaction. Which game would be best? I have Aeons end coming and everyone already liked the campaign for hero realms. Should I go for Sentinels or this? How much down time would there be with 4 players?
I think the down time with 4 is a bit much in Champions even though there is some interaction . Both games work great though I will say, Aeon was based heavily on Sentinels. Sentinels I say is better and it's perfectly balanced at 4 players.
If you want something a bit different, then Champions will still work out.
I’m loving this game too. Like you said it’s similar to their other lcgs like Arkham and Lotr but has its own feel. My only complaint for this game is the cost of the core box is really Op. My favorite things about this is how comic accurate the heroes and villains feel and play along with the deck building mechanic with the different aspects. I think even though they are different this will prob make legendary obsolete for me unless I’m okaying with more than 2 people and they are new gamers.
It's more pricey but you are at least getting a complete core set and don't have to buy more than one.
The Broken Meeple yea this is true. Buying 2-3 core sets for Lotr and 40k conquest was a tough pill to swallow.
I really don’t think that 3 or 4 players is an issue with experienced players who are going at it fast. 4 might be too much but with 3 it should definitely be a superior experience than 2. That’s my theory at least, haven’t gotten to trying it yet with 3 or 4
Yeah, of my 6 plays, half of those were at 3 player and I found that to be just as good as 2 player, just different. 2 is a bit snappier but it's almost over too soon. 4 was too slow. 3 may just be the sweet spot.
It's a slower game though and you're not always going to have those kind of players. 1-2 player has been the sweet spot for me and I love it solo. 3 player only if everyone knows the game inside and out and even then the HP scale up quite dramatically. 4 player i'm avoiding like the plague.
hmm maybe worth investing in
As for the dividers... The cycle ends with the story pack in July 2020, and the nature of that pack's contents are still a secret (as are the identities of the heroes from hero packs 4, 5, &6 ... though we do know it's a female and two males), so dividers could be a spoiler for the cycle, so I am betting that the story pack will have the dividers in.
I can settle for that if they will be provided at the cycles end, that's a decent compromise.
@@TheBrokenMeeple It's like with Arkham Horror. You have to wait for the "Return to..." boxes to get the dividers and that
That's true, though I have custom crates for that so the dividers don't work due to orientation. However something like that for this would be nice.
will you make another video after year of expansions? cause this game just get 200% better with all the expansions. Although, to player count, 3 experienced players has synergies and interactions and feel richier than 2. but 2 is best imho :)
I comment on them, but I don't know if I'm an expert enough to rate them all - this is one of those games you can cherry pick what you buy essentially.
Unfortunately, my first game was with 4p and in expert mode & It went way too long. I just worry that each deck has a way it should be played (like Ironman) and you just play it the same way every time with that character.
Good thing you can customize your decks!
I'm hoping the aspects will differ the gameplay for each hero enough. The card pool is shallow at the moment, but hopefully each aspect will start to feel more distinguished as the card pool increases.
Weve already had a card spoilt (avengers tower) that ties to the avengers trait, which is cool for theme and deck making decisions.
Marvel is abut super heroes that also lead regular lives. So the obligation cards are a nod to that. I was reading a Marvel Comic and shit was getting crazy but some guy was worried about his relationship with his girl friend.
Loving this game so much and based off the previews I’ve seen so far showing such radically different hero play styles I’m definitely in for the long haul. Top game of the year hands down!
Also, the 3/4 player problem goes away with experienced players. But I’m ONLY playing it that way with veteran players. 2 is the sweet spot still.
Ms Marvel and She-Hulk are both getting Disney series so I imagine theres been some direction from Disney on heroes they'd like to see early on.
Could well be! I'm up for either.
I dont know what to do with this game. I love Marvel, but I already have 90% of LOTR and everything released in AH. I am not sure if there is room in my shelf for a third solo coop LCG.
Only buy what you can afford though it won't be long until Iotr LCG takes a break from releases. So you can always bide your time.
@@TheBrokenMeeple I think they will stop LotR LCG entirely, but that's just speculation based on a few people telling me that sales of it are down, plus a deal with Marvel being far more lucrative
Luke...think...they need you to buy the Hulk, Thor, X-Men expansions...that's why you've got b list heroes...next to spider Man and iron Man...
I mentioned it in a comment above but Ms Marvel and She-hulk are getting Disney series, so I imagine FFG has had some instruction on heroes Disney expect to see early. She-hulk is the only one of the five that is particularly surprising in a core set. But yes, the avengers heroes are always going to sell so having them separate is a smart move for FFG.
@@scottwallbank4794 Agreed... you can't blow your whole staple of super-popular characters right outta the gate with this kind of game, gotta leave some anticipation for things to come. Subtly promoting upcoming Disney+ series that feature well regarded but less well-known characters gives some nice double--duty there.
Best with 3-5 players: Sentinels of the Multiverse
Best with 1 or 2 players: Marvel Champions
Best with 0 players: Marvel Legendary.
So yes, there is room for all 3 games 😎
Ha ha! 😄 well to be honest I'd never play Sentinels with 5 but it is good for 1-4.
Best on an ipad, never to be ever, ever played physically ever again: Sentinels of the Multiverse
Best with 2-3: Marvel Champions
Best in a dumpster fire: Marvel Legendary
Fix't that for you.
I never got the hate for Legendary. It also doesn't take very long to set it up after I got custom dividers and the hobby lobby case, as well as the scheme/hero randomizer app.
@@chrismurphy9932 Choosing the heros ain't difficult but having to then get the hero deck shuffled properly (you can't just do a basic shuffle) and then the same with the villain deck and then probably re-learn a few keywords and also do a scheme it takes a while.
@@TheBrokenMeeple Fair enough. I just create four piles and shuffle them together for both the hero and villain decks, I find it the quickest way to make sure it's the most random. Also, there's a document on BGG you can print off that has every keyword in alphabetical order. That's a problem if you want to keep buying new sets for sure, but it's fine for me because I stopped buying them when I filled up my case :)