I have a big heart for the very clunkiest of LNWR practice - Screw reversers that don't have any indication of where it's set until you crack the regulator, wooden brake blocks, etc. Even the smokebox doors were as simply made as possible. They're not all black though! They're 'blackberry black'! On the coal tank specifically, I love that they left a gap in the running boards in front of the cylinders, with all the bolts and such still visible. Gorgeously turned out here!
I saw 1054 at the 2015 Warley exhibition. She's a remarkable survivor. For all of the LNWR's former grandeur, it's faired poorly in preservation, with only a handful of locomotives preserved. This is due to the LMS' ruthless scrap and build policy of the 1930's, so the survival of the Coal Tank is something to be grateful for.
Good to hear J.M.Dunn correctly credited for his sterling work on saving 1054. He worked extensively with the Coal Tanks as a shedmaster in South Wales in the 1920s, when they dominated LNWR operations there. His "Reflections on a railway career" is a very interesting autobiography; he was clearly a strong character. The Coal Tanks did rather better than their intended successors, the Beames 0-8-4Ts, with a long rigid wheelbase; Dunn said "the first one was new and tight in the joints and she proceeded to straighten out the curves to suit her. The platelayers had to follow her round correcting the curves she had distorted", and the GW banned their use over the Rhymney lines.
Such was LNWR parsimony that when the directors of the GWR asked their Chief Mechanical Engineer, George J Churchward, why his locomotives were twice the price of the LNWRs he responded by saying that one of his engines could pull two of theirs backwards. That said, it's good that Mr Dunn and his co-contributors got sufficiently steamed up that they saved an example of the Coal Tanks.
Just to muddy the waters, there were two LNWR Precursor classes; the Webb 2-4-0s shown here, and his successor Whale's 4-4-0s, ironically built to replace Webb's compounds which couldn't handle the fastest and heaviest expresses. Both classes of Precursors were strong, simple and effective. The LNWR had some odd class names; there was a "Problem" class (which were actually OK) as well as two "Experiment" classes (again Webb and Whale).
"Would Francis Webb have used Surfshark? Probably not, he didn't have a computer." Inimitable Jago, good for our health through laughter-induced endorphins.
The LNWR locos always seemed to find a way to last longer than expected. A pity that none of the five BR DX Special 0-6-0ST’s made it into preservation, despite their role in departmental use and the last of them going in 1959.
Excellent commentary & sharply- focused filming. I admire the glossy ‘blackberry-black’ finish on this old locomotive. It contrasts with how lots of us endured seeing British Railways’ locomotives in the mid-1960s ~ filthy, oily, rusty and unloved.
I feel im abnormal on the matter of the paint. It feels to me as if its fake being so shiny. I like to see them faded with grease and coal dust and minor rust stains, y'now, like they would look in service. Not many share my opinion im sure. But i feel the same about ww2 aircraft, they always seem to paint them in an ultra gloss near mirror finish, no exhaust soot, no brake dust etc. Yet every picture you see of them in service they look to be a matt finish, with exhaust soot trails and some minor wrinkles from buffeting or mechanics walking on them, or high g maneuvers, i feel its a better representation of how the vehicle is "supposed" to look.
@@Colt45hatchback Is it really ‘fake’ for railway locomotives to be glossy? Locomotives being finished off after repainting at Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, etc., were given gloss coatings before returning to service. There are many photographs available to see this. After World War II, with the railways worn down through over-use, and with less maintenance having been provided, and with difficulty of getting new staff to clean engines, locomotives tended to be neglected. If you view video of the highly- regarded film ‘Night Mail’ (1936), you’ll see a large group of men cleaning the locomotive after it had reached Glasgow Central.
The finish is just immaculate. Talk about being able to see your face in it. Beautiful. I didn't know this loco was donated to the National Trust. Or did you mean the National Collection.
@@alistairkewish651 Alistair ~”Jago” did refer to the National Collection; British Railways drew up a list of certain locomotive types to be preserved. A lot of railwaymen and enthusiasts were disappointed that so many famous and much-admired locomotives were not included. One solution has been that a few have been constructed in recent years, perhaps the best-known being “Tornado,” in memory of the entire A1 class being scrapped; Beeching didn’t care about them at all.
I consider myself lucky to be old enough to remember travelling around before Beeching the Butcher got to work. One of my favourite films is Brief Encounter because it reminds me of walking to my local station and travelling into the city. There is nothing like travelling by steam train.
The wreath is to commemorate someone who has passed away involved with the railway, my late father Swanage Railway ran a wreath for him all day and another chap who had passed away the same time with a separate wreath on another loco.
I'm sure i saw 4 in the cab you'd be lucky to find anything in that cab!!!!it's one of my pete hates on bigger preserved steam loco's but 3 or 4 in the cab of a coal tank!!!think the extra ones are just showing off to the public!
I like what you said about the Bahamas Locomotive Society. It may be obvious to us trainspotters but you're right, it COULD genuinely be a society based in the Bahamas!!
I am so glad that you chose to do a piece on one of my favourite engines. Indeed, my 00 gauge model is one of my pride and joys and looks fantastic on the front of a short mixed traffic rake of private owner freight stock and non-corridor stock 😎 One can only express gratitude that someone had the sense to save her, and even better, preserve her to full working order. As you rightly say, the Coal Tank is a very elegant design and sounds incredible when giving it some up hill (rather like the Southern M7 which should be back on the Swanage Railway next year 😜). The original livery is always the one that looks best on this engine, and you can see why the LNWR’s colour scheme was adapted by British Railways. 😎 Cheers mate, this really made me smile, not least because there was also a gratuitous shot of a Jubilee at the end 👍🍀🍻
Where I live in Derbyshire, I live on the border of the Midland Railway and the London & North Western Railway area, as most of the LNWR built the Cromford & High Peak Railway, despite being in the Midlands, but it's now closed and it's just footpaths to and from one place to the other, and it's nice to visit if you're in the area.
"Gent"? Surely all steam engines are ladies? Lovely footage. Lovely shiny engine too - I got completely sidetracked watching the family with the buggy in the side tank reflection!
What an amazing shine. It's the sort of shine you only get on Guardsmans boots and it could seriously confuse people who like black shiny things. Your ad reminded me of earlier today when I was trying to sign into a certain well known coffee shop's wifi and got the home page with T&C's and login. It took ages to do anything and didn't work, so I gave up and tried again and again. The last time, just for the hell of it I chose it in French cos there was a language scroll down thingy. Two things happened. The legal warning blurb about live streaming TV and BBC iplayer had vanished and login was instantaneous.
It's rather ironic that the LNWR prided themselves on being "The Premier Line" since basically everything about their operational policy was based on "What saves the most money while still giving statistically "adequate" service." While the Midland and GNR were building high speed single-driver locos to rush their express trains ever faster, the LNWR was content for their "express" to plod along at a steady 45 mph; hardly hair-raising speed, but a rate that was judged by upper management as "Good enough", just fast enough to get the passengers to their destination without too much complaint. And although they weren't always the only game in town, with the Midland Railway in particular putting up valiant competition for passenger revenue and the GWR chomping on the bit in South Wales, when you have a system that basically rules half the country you can afford to do things the "Good enough" way and more or less ignore the competition. With only slight grumbles at Carlisle, where the Caledonian boys had deals with both the LNWR and the MR to take their trains on to Scotland and weren't above playing one against the other. Victorian railway politics is a madhouse.
They did claim that they had 'dustless tracks', owing to the use of granite, as opposed to limestone as ballast. When I worked for British Railways on the old LNW line, I must say that I was never asked to dust the tracks. So there you are!
They had the best track and ran at a steady and consistent speed, ie comfort. The west coast main line is twisty and has steep gradients. Don't forget LNWR Hardwicke helped win the race to the north (which wasn't beaten until the Princess Elizabeth was launched) so they could be fast when they wanted.
It, 1054, as BR 58926I think,pulled the last train from Abergavenny Junction to Merthyr in January 1958 along with an LNWR 0-8-0 Tender loco. I know cos I was there.😁
Sometimes I regret not being able to subscribe a second time 😂. And we’ll done for the commercial break - which I actually watched for once! I think your sponsors can be pleased, even that was entertaining 😃
Except that Mr Ford DID say those words when launching the Model T. It was borrowed quote, granted, but Mr Ford was filmed saying it. The film clip was played at the motor museum in Beaulieu.
My Grandfather worked for LNWR driving a horse drawn London station shuttle bus, but got downgraded to railman or porter in LMS grouping at Euston when petrol vehicles were introduced.
I think the wreath was something to do with it's re-launch into traffic after overhaul but not 100% certain, potentially for a supporter who didn't get to see it steam again. Not sure the loco was ever fitted with air brakes though? I think even the push-pull fitted ones had vacuum gear? Also not sure whether the Precursor picture is actually a Precursor 4-4-0? Looks like a 2-4-0? All in all an excellent video of a fantastic survivor telling its tale in a good amount of detail for the widest possible audience.
1054 was preserved at Penrhyn Castle, Bangor. I well remember her being re-railed at the old Menai Bridge station and towed away to Dinting on a quiet Sunday afternoon. She was transported from Penrhyn Castle by road. Her tall chimney had been removed and strapped to the front buffer beam. These engines used to travel between Bangor and Caernarfon on the 'Push Pull' system. I believe that when in South Wales 1054 was renumbered to 7799 in the LMS era.
On the subject of Rainhill Trials, and I know you've talked about some of the entrants previously, how about a video about the trials? You could maybe cover the 1980 restaging (which I attended; aged 8).
Little note about 1054. In January 1958, it (along with LNWR 0-8-0 No 49121) hauled the last train from Abergavenny to Merthyr. The tour was organised by the Stephenson Locomotive Society (W A "Cam" Camwell who was one of the organisers of the tour recorded footage of the train). There was a rerun of it at the 2012 Keighley and Worth Valley Railway Winter Steam Gala with LNWR 0-8-0 No 49395 partaking in it along with 1054.
Anyway, I enjoyed this video very much! Interesting story behind this particular and unusual locomotive type! If you want to add a few more locomotives to your waiting list: there are the GWR Panniers that were bought by London Transport for engineering and ballast duties. You will have to get use to their red livery.
It's a shame that none of the Webb "Coal Locomotives" survived long enough even to get a sniff at being preserved, so I'll have to liver with a Webb "Coal Tank"....
As a teenager in the mid 1940s, my Dad worked as a cleaner at Abergavenny shed. Chances are that he may have cleaned 1054 or some of its sister engines. He hated the job - ash and dust!
KWVR and ELR are my favourite and, as look would have it, my local railway preservation societies being located, as they are, roughly equidistant from me, in West Yorkshire. Thanks for the footage, always worth a watch 🙂
This is my favourite engine actually and I really love its story so much (It really is one of the oldest and most important and operational locomotive 🚂 ever I am happy for you telling us the story of LNWR Webb Coal Tank Engine No.1054 the King (or Queen) Hero survivor of the past
The New South Wales 19 Class 0-6-0 goods locos lasted from 1877 to the last was withdrawn in 1972. Proves the point about the reliability and usefulness of this type of locomotive. Four tender locos have been preserved and one that was converted to a tank engine.
I'm a great fan of those, although I consider them the 'A' class, as they were designated originally. Good, sturdy, gets knocked about a bit but keeps going. Perfect little engines. Terribly neglected by the end, and yet still serviceable. Apparently quite powerful for their size, too.
@@ajaxengineco The very first trans-continental freight train from Sydney to Perth was hauled over the Blue mountains from Alexandria Goods Yard by electric 46 Class locos. But guess what hauled the wagons to Alexandria from the Everleigh Paint Shop (where they got a shiny lick of paint for the occasion)? It was a 19 Class!
Yes, I think I agree on Bachmann taking the plunge and producing several pre Grouping designs to try to make up for not venturing quite that far back in time. As the pre 1900 era goes, the mine is rich and varied with many eccentricities in terms of design lurking about all over the then extensive rail system. The L & Y are or is getting some highlight which is good, maybe to be followed by some North Stafford and even some Glasgow and South Western loco designs. There is much to consider, the list is a very long one. It could even include the Midland and Great Northern.
The finance people meet the design team round a table and as always , ask the same question. Will it sell in sufficient numbers for it to be viable? Thank the Lord the answer was . Yes.
Yes and no - Ford cars did come in colors other than black and on page 72 of Henry Ford's 1922 book (in collaboration with Samuel Crowther) My Life and Work wrote that his use of the “any color so long as it is black” comment you refer to occurred during a meeting in 1909. He did not claim to be the one who created the phrase, only that he used the phrase. Since Francis Webb died 3 years before Ford's 1909 statement, it follows that, if he said, he said it before he died, ergo, before Ford said it in 1909. So they both said the same phrase at different times (maybe said it in Webb's case) - neither one claims to have been the originator or to have said it first but Ford is the one who made it famous.
Just got to love that driver/fireman's UK style home made hat!! And congrats to the guys looking after the loco - such a high standard of polish on it! PS Have you changed your microphone, or do my ears need cleaning out? Sound seemed a bit distant on this video...
Really enjoying my on-going education in British Rail, Professor Jago. Especially in this class about Coal Tank Loco #58926. When you said it was on the scrap line in the 1930's, then used as a snow plough engine at...Abercabeny...(spelling mine) I really sat upright. A magical name from a British pop song in my youth. "Taking a trip up to Abercabeny , hoping the weather is fine". Can you correct my spelling please, and tell me more of this coolly named place, and anything else on #58296 activities there. Recall the song? A bouncy little number indeed.
It was Abergavenny - the shed was Abergavenny Brecon Road, and the old Breakneck & Murder Railway (Brecon & Merthyr, with it's fantastically steep gradients) also operated in the area before the grouping.
Aber is the Welsh word for the mouth of a river, so for ex ample, Aberystwyth is the town where that river flows into the sea. Or so Daffyd once pointed out to me.
If the connecting rods were at 180° to each other, it would be possible for them to stop on a dead centre, in which case the locomotive could not be set in motion. That is why connecting rods are set with one at 90° to the other. Or did you mean coupling rods, rather than connecting rods?
@@jerribee1 I meant whichever ones connect the sets of driving wheels together. That makes sense. I guess the reciprocating mass isn't much compared to the overall weight of the wheels then.
I noticed that - a slip of the tongue by Jago, I think. The LNWR was most definitely a vacuum brake railway. Mostly because vacuum brake equipment was cheaper, but also because when George Westinghouse came to Britain in 1871 to sell his air brake he headed straight for Crewe (the works of the biggest railway company in the UK) and met Francis Webb, newly appointed as Locomotive Superintendent. By all accounts Westinghouse's pitch went well until he proposed that Webb would personally receive a portion of all the royalties paid to Westinghouse by the LNWR if they adopted the air brake. This was an entirely normal way of doing business in America, but Webb took it to be an attempt at bribery and a slight against his personal morals, so had Westinghouse vigorously removed from LNWR property. The LNWR was never going to adopt the air brake, which made many other railways reluctant to do so either. The LNWR's 'careful' approach to spending also meant that it adopted the cheaper non-automatic form of vacuum brake (the vacuum is used to apply the brake) and only switched to the safer but more expensive automatic form (where the vacuum keeps the brake off) very slowly and by continual pestering by the Board of Trade. For a while the company used both systems and there was a nasty accident in 1890 where a train ran out of control descending from Shap summit, ran into Carlisle station at high speed and collided with another train because the driver got confused and operated the brake in the wrong mode.
My lord, Jago... how long were you pottering around Bury station? You have a wealth of footage from there! Me and the old man used to pop over there every few months when I was a lad. We still drop by now and then, the last time being during the Jubilee. It was rather busy and many were dressed up in 40's attire with quite a few older gents with medals and their regimental beret.
Some of these steam locomotives which have been reinstated do look really nice and stunning. Rather than seeing old steam locomotives to be sent for scrap. Very nice 👍☺️
This engine reminded me of the Decapod in that appears to have good acceleration. In many ways, Webb paralleled some modern manufacturing concepts and they worked well for the unit. Proven parts have higher value than special or custom parts. The Decapod, as I recall, was a complete custom machine that only proved a point and was eventually scrapped. This channel is building a very interesting model layout you might like. th-cam.com/video/O5MgwufHI9U/w-d-xo.html
We're so lucky that some of the less glamorous, less prestige locos were preserved. I would make much more of an effort to go and see this wee beastie at a gala day event, than to see Flying Scotsman, Tornado, or another "celebrity" pacific. It's unlikely there could ever be a successful "business case" for saving this wee engine but, to me anyway, these everyday workhorses are a more genuine representation of the steam era. While those responsible for the loco have done a wonderful; job and she looks fantastic, all clean and shiny, I would be just as happy to photograph this one, covered in coal dust and grime, as she would have been seen on 99% of her days in traffic.😁👍
The restored steam locomotive looks so beautiful in its simple elegance. I understand that locomotives didn't look this good during their working days/life. 🤔 BUT I wonder: did they ever look this shiny and polished when they were first constructed (sold/put to work)??
Hi Jago from Spain. How about a video on the Tilbury tanks, some of which, I understand went on to other lines where a powerful locomotive was required such as, on the Cromer branch.
Lovely to see some proper steam! I wonder how much longer we will see them fired up and ready to go, what with climate change, price of coal etc...until then , lets enjoy!
@@secondvalveservices9856 Just like the majority of Victorian steam locomotives. Visible moving parts below the waistline (whether mechanical or female) were frowned upon.
Am I right in thinking that the station in this video is the one used for the photo shoot for the album 'Back into the Future' by Man. It certainly looks like it.
I remember Bahamas was based at Dinting just down road from me. That would be a great topic for a video for you if you wanted a Manchester/Derbyshire focus
All that happened is that the subtitles got a built mangled, the narration gets a bit confusing. The word National Trust is for sure there, but the word National Collection is missing. Unless I’m going do-lally? Please help me sort out what was written and what was not. That apart, a cracking and humorous account of the background of this class of locomotive, employing wry and sharp -edged humour. I like it.
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I have a big heart for the very clunkiest of LNWR practice - Screw reversers that don't have any indication of where it's set until you crack the regulator, wooden brake blocks, etc. Even the smokebox doors were as simply made as possible. They're not all black though! They're 'blackberry black'! On the coal tank specifically, I love that they left a gap in the running boards in front of the cylinders, with all the bolts and such still visible. Gorgeously turned out here!
I saw 1054 at the 2015 Warley exhibition. She's a remarkable survivor. For all of the LNWR's former grandeur, it's faired poorly in preservation, with only a handful of locomotives preserved. This is due to the LMS' ruthless scrap and build policy of the 1930's, so the survival of the Coal Tank is something to be grateful for.
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Victorian Britain: loves 0-6-0's for trains.
1800's America: absolute 4-4-0 addiction.
Good to hear J.M.Dunn correctly credited for his sterling work on saving 1054. He worked extensively with the Coal Tanks as a shedmaster in South Wales in the 1920s, when they dominated LNWR operations there. His "Reflections on a railway career" is a very interesting autobiography; he was clearly a strong character. The Coal Tanks did rather better than their intended successors, the Beames 0-8-4Ts, with a long rigid wheelbase; Dunn said "the first one was new and tight in the joints and she proceeded to straighten out the curves to suit her. The platelayers had to follow her round correcting the curves she had distorted", and the GW banned their use over the Rhymney lines.
Such was LNWR parsimony that when the directors of the GWR asked their Chief Mechanical Engineer, George J Churchward, why his locomotives were twice the price of the LNWRs he responded by saying that one of his engines could pull two of theirs backwards.
That said, it's good that Mr Dunn and his co-contributors got sufficiently steamed up that they saved an example of the Coal Tanks.
Just to muddy the waters, there were two LNWR Precursor classes; the Webb 2-4-0s shown here, and his successor Whale's 4-4-0s, ironically built to replace Webb's compounds which couldn't handle the fastest and heaviest expresses. Both classes of Precursors were strong, simple and effective. The LNWR had some odd class names; there was a "Problem" class (which were actually OK) as well as two "Experiment" classes (again Webb and Whale).
Don't forget there was also the "Precursor Tank" class, essentially just the tank engine version of the Precursors, which were also successful.
"Would Francis Webb have used Surfshark? Probably not, he didn't have a computer." Inimitable Jago, good for our health through laughter-induced endorphins.
He had a computer, it was called a brain.
No artificial intelligence in those days, only the real thing.
I really enjoy these little videos about specific locomotive classes. Although I enjoy all your videos at the end of the day - keep it up!
The LNWR locos always seemed to find a way to last longer than expected. A pity that none of the five BR DX Special 0-6-0ST’s made it into preservation, despite their role in departmental use and the last of them going in 1959.
Excellent commentary & sharply- focused filming. I admire the glossy ‘blackberry-black’ finish on this old locomotive. It contrasts with how lots of us endured seeing British Railways’ locomotives in the mid-1960s ~ filthy, oily, rusty and unloved.
I feel im abnormal on the matter of the paint. It feels to me as if its fake being so shiny. I like to see them faded with grease and coal dust and minor rust stains, y'now, like they would look in service. Not many share my opinion im sure. But i feel the same about ww2 aircraft, they always seem to paint them in an ultra gloss near mirror finish, no exhaust soot, no brake dust etc. Yet every picture you see of them in service they look to be a matt finish, with exhaust soot trails and some minor wrinkles from buffeting or mechanics walking on them, or high g maneuvers, i feel its a better representation of how the vehicle is "supposed" to look.
@@Colt45hatchback Is it really ‘fake’ for railway locomotives to be glossy? Locomotives being finished off after repainting at Crewe, Derby, Doncaster, etc., were given gloss coatings before returning to service. There are many photographs available to see this. After World War II, with the railways worn down through over-use, and with less maintenance having been provided, and with difficulty of getting new staff to clean engines, locomotives tended to be neglected. If you view video of the highly- regarded film ‘Night Mail’ (1936), you’ll see a large group of men cleaning the locomotive after it had reached Glasgow Central.
@@robertweissman4850 oh right, i was un aware of that
The finish is just immaculate. Talk about being able to see your face in it. Beautiful. I didn't know this loco was donated to the National Trust. Or did you mean the National Collection.
@@alistairkewish651 Alistair ~”Jago” did refer to the National Collection; British Railways drew up a list of certain locomotive types to be preserved. A lot of railwaymen and enthusiasts were disappointed that so many famous and much-admired locomotives were not included. One solution has been that a few have been constructed in recent years, perhaps the best-known being “Tornado,” in memory of the entire A1 class being scrapped; Beeching didn’t care about them at all.
I consider myself lucky to be old enough to remember travelling around before Beeching the Butcher got to work. One of my favourite films is Brief Encounter because it reminds me of walking to my local station and travelling into the city. There is nothing like travelling by steam train.
Beeching wasn’t the butcher. He was the planner. Marples was the butcher, he owned a road building company.
Hi Jago. I'm hugely impressed by how well 1054 has been polished!
The wreath is to commemorate someone who has passed away involved with the railway, my late father Swanage Railway ran a wreath for him all day and another chap who had passed away the same time with a separate wreath on another loco.
Stick your add up yer geer
My father had a cab ride on one before the last War, in Wales. The coupling rods had a very loud 'clank'.
What a fine locomotive it is and an amazing survivor of such a large class!
I drove that engine. "Where's the vacuum brake valve?" "There." "No, that's a plug hole." "That's the best you're going to get." And it was.
I'm sure i saw 4 in the cab you'd be lucky to find anything in that cab!!!!it's one of my pete hates on bigger preserved steam loco's but 3 or 4 in the cab of a coal tank!!!think the extra ones are just showing off to the public!
I've been very fortunate to ride behind this locomotive and she's absolutely wonderful!
I like what you said about the Bahamas Locomotive Society. It may be obvious to us trainspotters but you're right, it COULD genuinely be a society based in the Bahamas!!
I am so glad that you chose to do a piece on one of my favourite engines. Indeed, my 00 gauge model is one of my pride and joys and looks fantastic on the front of a short mixed traffic rake of private owner freight stock and non-corridor stock 😎 One can only express gratitude that someone had the sense to save her, and even better, preserve her to full working order. As you rightly say, the Coal Tank is a very elegant design and sounds incredible when giving it some up hill (rather like the Southern M7 which should be back on the Swanage Railway next year 😜).
The original livery is always the one that looks best on this engine, and you can see why the LNWR’s colour scheme was adapted by British Railways. 😎
Cheers mate, this really made me smile, not least because there was also a gratuitous shot of a Jubilee at the end 👍🍀🍻
Where I live in Derbyshire, I live on the border of the Midland Railway and the London & North Western Railway area, as most of the LNWR built the Cromford & High Peak Railway, despite being in the Midlands, but it's now closed and it's just footpaths to and from one place to the other, and it's nice to visit if you're in the area.
I'm an old gentleman who hopes to carry on like 1054. Another intensive video. Thanks.
"Gent"? Surely all steam engines are ladies? Lovely footage. Lovely shiny engine too - I got completely sidetracked watching the family with the buggy in the side tank reflection!
What an amazing shine. It's the sort of shine you only get on Guardsmans boots and it could seriously confuse people who like black shiny things.
Your ad reminded me of earlier today when I was trying to sign into a certain well known coffee shop's wifi and got the home page with T&C's and login. It took ages to do anything and didn't work, so I gave up and tried again and again. The last time, just for the hell of it I chose it in French cos there was a language scroll down thingy. Two things happened. The legal warning blurb about live streaming TV and BBC iplayer had vanished and login was instantaneous.
The wreath on the engine comes from the LNWR/L&Y merger gala at the ELR a few months ago, when they showcased their Pug.
That would be where I got this footage, in fact.
@@JagoHazzard and now perhaps you should explain to the uninitiated that a Pug is not a small dog but a small locomotive.
@@roderickjoyce6716 He's already done that. th-cam.com/video/cDDZAhZXLEU/w-d-xo.html
It's rather ironic that the LNWR prided themselves on being "The Premier Line" since basically everything about their operational policy was based on "What saves the most money while still giving statistically "adequate" service." While the Midland and GNR were building high speed single-driver locos to rush their express trains ever faster, the LNWR was content for their "express" to plod along at a steady 45 mph; hardly hair-raising speed, but a rate that was judged by upper management as "Good enough", just fast enough to get the passengers to their destination without too much complaint. And although they weren't always the only game in town, with the Midland Railway in particular putting up valiant competition for passenger revenue and the GWR chomping on the bit in South Wales, when you have a system that basically rules half the country you can afford to do things the "Good enough" way and more or less ignore the competition. With only slight grumbles at Carlisle, where the Caledonian boys had deals with both the LNWR and the MR to take their trains on to Scotland and weren't above playing one against the other. Victorian railway politics is a madhouse.
I suppose they got to be the world's largest plc (as we would now call it) by letting the accountants rather than the engineers call the shots.
As is often the case, the more one doth profess, the less true it likely is.
@@TalesOfWar as in "Democratic Republic of . . ."
They did claim that they had 'dustless tracks', owing to the use of granite, as opposed to limestone as ballast. When I worked for British Railways on the old LNW line, I must say that I was never asked to dust the tracks. So there you are!
They had the best track and ran at a steady and consistent speed, ie comfort. The west coast main line is twisty and has steep gradients. Don't forget LNWR Hardwicke helped win the race to the north (which wasn't beaten until the Princess Elizabeth was launched) so they could be fast when they wanted.
Jago could have a field-day with LNWR loco class-name related puns...that showed well judged restraint.
It, 1054, as BR 58926I think,pulled the last train from Abergavenny Junction to Merthyr in January 1958 along with an LNWR 0-8-0 Tender loco. I know cos I was there.😁
Sometimes I regret not being able to subscribe a second time 😂.
And we’ll done for the commercial break - which I actually watched for once! I think your sponsors can be pleased, even that was entertaining 😃
always love waking up to a new jago hazzard video and a cup of coffee, very relaxing
I think the Wreath was to mark respect to a Driver that passed away
The wreath could very well be a tribute to Queen Elizabeth II's passing.
Except that Mr Ford DID say those words when launching the Model T. It was borrowed quote, granted, but Mr Ford was filmed saying it. The film clip was played at the motor museum in Beaulieu.
1054 is one off my favourite locomotive in preservation it stuch pretty engine
My Grandfather worked for LNWR driving a horse drawn London station shuttle bus, but got downgraded to railman or porter in LMS grouping at Euston when petrol vehicles were introduced.
I think the wreath was something to do with it's re-launch into traffic after overhaul but not 100% certain, potentially for a supporter who didn't get to see it steam again.
Not sure the loco was ever fitted with air brakes though? I think even the push-pull fitted ones had vacuum gear?
Also not sure whether the Precursor picture is actually a Precursor 4-4-0? Looks like a 2-4-0?
All in all an excellent video of a fantastic survivor telling its tale in a good amount of detail for the widest possible audience.
I've had many a pleasant journey behind her on the KWVR. A lovely video
Amazing Video Jago, I always loved the Coal tanks.
1054 was preserved at Penrhyn Castle, Bangor. I well remember her being re-railed at the old Menai Bridge station and towed away to Dinting on a quiet Sunday afternoon.
She was transported from Penrhyn Castle by road. Her tall chimney had been removed and strapped to the front buffer beam. These engines used to travel between Bangor and Caernarfon on the 'Push Pull' system. I believe that when in South Wales 1054 was renumbered to 7799 in the LMS era.
at the moment Jago told us about precursor class, I am half expected there is a locomotive called Irrelevant
nice to see you getting out of London
Coal bunkers and tenders often had 3 or 4 horizontal bars. I wonder why they didn't just make them higher which would be simpler and cheaper.
Well, it's because... or possibly that... umm. I hope that helps.
@@cncshrops weight, vision, standard size plate pressing , with bars as required
Also aesthetics. Observe the pleasing curve at the back of the coal tank's bunker sheet, for example.
@@cooperised I don't think Webb had much concern for aesthetics.
On the subject of Rainhill Trials, and I know you've talked about some of the entrants previously, how about a video about the trials? You could maybe cover the 1980 restaging (which I attended; aged 8).
Little note about 1054. In January 1958, it (along with LNWR 0-8-0 No 49121) hauled the last train from Abergavenny to Merthyr. The tour was organised by the Stephenson Locomotive Society (W A "Cam" Camwell who was one of the organisers of the tour recorded footage of the train).
There was a rerun of it at the 2012 Keighley and Worth Valley Railway Winter Steam Gala with LNWR 0-8-0 No 49395 partaking in it along with 1054.
Love these engine profile videos, always so fascinating to learn about the history of the different locomotive classes and railways.
Thanks for the great video, Jago!
4:52 I think that is one source the REV Awdry used when making James' infamous crash which Thomas needed the Breakdown Train for.
Anyway, I enjoyed this video very much! Interesting story behind this particular and unusual locomotive type!
If you want to add a few more locomotives to your waiting list: there are the GWR Panniers that were bought by London Transport for engineering and ballast duties. You will have to get use to their red livery.
It's a shame that none of the Webb "Coal Locomotives" survived long enough even to get a sniff at being preserved, so I'll have to liver with a Webb "Coal Tank"....
As a teenager in the mid 1940s, my Dad worked as a cleaner at Abergavenny shed. Chances are that he may have cleaned 1054 or some of its sister engines. He hated the job - ash and dust!
TRAINS!
KWVR and ELR are my favourite and, as look would have it, my local railway preservation societies being located, as they are, roughly equidistant from me, in West Yorkshire. Thanks for the footage, always worth a watch 🙂
I believe the wreath was there in tribute to the late Bernard Cribbins, Star of The Railway Children ❤️
This footage was shot long before that.
ford definitely said it, he just wasn't the first nor the last to say it.
great history lesson, thanks.
This video is what got me interested in the coal tanks and made me make one of my OCs out of the class. Many thanks
Incredible! Thank you so much. You’ve made a real ‘Tube’ and train lover out of me.
This is my favourite engine actually and I really love its story so much (It really is one of the oldest and most important and operational locomotive 🚂 ever I am happy for you telling us the story of LNWR Webb Coal Tank Engine No.1054 the King (or Queen) Hero survivor of the past
The New South Wales 19 Class 0-6-0 goods locos lasted from 1877 to the last was withdrawn in 1972. Proves the point about the reliability and usefulness of this type of locomotive. Four tender locos have been preserved and one that was converted to a tank engine.
I'm a great fan of those, although I consider them the 'A' class, as they were designated originally. Good, sturdy, gets knocked about a bit but keeps going. Perfect little engines. Terribly neglected by the end, and yet still serviceable. Apparently quite powerful for their size, too.
@@ajaxengineco The very first trans-continental freight train from Sydney to Perth was hauled over the Blue mountains from Alexandria Goods Yard by electric 46 Class locos. But guess what hauled the wagons to Alexandria from the Everleigh Paint Shop (where they got a shiny lick of paint for the occasion)? It was a 19 Class!
Forgot to add the year: 1970.
Absolutely love this engine, something about its proportions and humble design I just love. I bought the Bachmann model of it. Superb
Yes, I think I agree on Bachmann taking the plunge and producing several pre Grouping designs to try to make up for not venturing quite that far back in time. As the pre 1900 era goes, the mine is rich and varied with many eccentricities in terms of design lurking about all over the then extensive rail system. The L & Y are or is getting some highlight which is good, maybe to be followed by some North Stafford and even some Glasgow and South Western loco designs.
There is much to consider, the list is a very long one. It could even include the Midland and Great Northern.
The finance people meet the design team round a table and as always , ask the same question. Will it sell in sufficient numbers for it to be viable? Thank the Lord the answer was . Yes.
I have to say back and red looks good
I'd imagine the wreath was in recognition of the Queen's death last week.
This footage was shot long before that.
@@JagoHazzard interesting! Perhaps in memory of a volunteer who had recently passed then?
Apparently, they haven't got many at Abergavenny, but they've got a good'un at Abercynon.
I hear there's one left still at Merthyr Tydfil.
@@MrDavil43 no, that's Idris the dragon all the way down from blaenau-ffestyniog via Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogeryllchwerndrobwllllantyssiliogogogoch.
Yes and no - Ford cars did come in colors other than black and on page 72 of Henry Ford's 1922 book (in collaboration with Samuel Crowther) My Life and Work wrote that his use of the “any color so long as it is black” comment you refer to occurred during a meeting in 1909. He did not claim to be the one who created the phrase, only that he used the phrase. Since Francis Webb died 3 years before Ford's 1909 statement, it follows that, if he said, he said it before he died, ergo, before Ford said it in 1909. So they both said the same phrase at different times (maybe said it in Webb's case) - neither one claims to have been the originator or to have said it first but Ford is the one who made it famous.
Always thought the biggest joint stock company was OXO
Until the gravy train ran out...
@@surreygoldprospector576 And the boats became leaky
Just got to love that driver/fireman's UK style home made hat!! And congrats to the guys looking after the loco - such a high standard of polish on it!
PS Have you changed your microphone, or do my ears need cleaning out? Sound seemed a bit distant on this video...
Really enjoying my on-going education in British Rail, Professor Jago. Especially in this class about Coal Tank Loco #58926. When you said
it was on the scrap line in the 1930's, then used as a snow plough engine at...Abercabeny...(spelling mine) I really sat upright. A magical name
from a British pop song in my youth. "Taking a trip up to Abercabeny , hoping the weather is fine". Can you correct my spelling please, and
tell me more of this coolly named place, and anything else on #58296 activities there. Recall the song? A bouncy little number indeed.
It was Abergavenny - the shed was Abergavenny Brecon Road, and the old Breakneck & Murder Railway (Brecon & Merthyr, with it's fantastically steep gradients) also operated in the area before the grouping.
Aber is the Welsh word for the mouth of a river, so for ex ample, Aberystwyth is the town where that river flows into the sea. Or so Daffyd once pointed out to me.
It bothers me that the opposite side connecting rods aren't 180 degrees rotated from each other.
Doesn't that make the wheels shake?
If the connecting rods were at 180° to each other, it would be possible for them to stop on a dead centre, in which case the locomotive could not be set in motion. That is why connecting rods are set with one at 90° to the other.
Or did you mean coupling rods, rather than connecting rods?
@@jerribee1 Agreed. (Glad I clicked on 'refresh' before writing essentially the same comment.)
@@jerribee1 I meant whichever ones connect the sets of driving wheels together. That makes sense. I guess the reciprocating mass isn't much compared to the overall weight of the wheels then.
Wouldn't it have been fitted with vacuum brakes rather than air?
I noticed that - a slip of the tongue by Jago, I think. The LNWR was most definitely a vacuum brake railway. Mostly because vacuum brake equipment was cheaper, but also because when George Westinghouse came to Britain in 1871 to sell his air brake he headed straight for Crewe (the works of the biggest railway company in the UK) and met Francis Webb, newly appointed as Locomotive Superintendent. By all accounts Westinghouse's pitch went well until he proposed that Webb would personally receive a portion of all the royalties paid to Westinghouse by the LNWR if they adopted the air brake. This was an entirely normal way of doing business in America, but Webb took it to be an attempt at bribery and a slight against his personal morals, so had Westinghouse vigorously removed from LNWR property. The LNWR was never going to adopt the air brake, which made many other railways reluctant to do so either. The LNWR's 'careful' approach to spending also meant that it adopted the cheaper non-automatic form of vacuum brake (the vacuum is used to apply the brake) and only switched to the safer but more expensive automatic form (where the vacuum keeps the brake off) very slowly and by continual pestering by the Board of Trade. For a while the company used both systems and there was a nasty accident in 1890 where a train ran out of control descending from Shap summit, ran into Carlisle station at high speed and collided with another train because the driver got confused and operated the brake in the wrong mode.
My lord, Jago... how long were you pottering around Bury station? You have a wealth of footage from there! Me and the old man used to pop over there every few months when I was a lad. We still drop by now and then, the last time being during the Jubilee. It was rather busy and many were dressed up in 40's attire with quite a few older gents with medals and their regimental beret.
Some of these steam locomotives which have been reinstated do look really nice and stunning. Rather than seeing old steam locomotives to be sent for scrap. Very nice 👍☺️
Brilliant conversational information sharing. Thank you very much
Loved it need more locos of this type
Quite excited to see a photo of Pontypool Road station, that is not far from where I live.
LNWR Webb Coal Tank 1054 has always been my favourite tank engine
I like it that the word "duty" is pronounced as it is spelled rather than as "juty".
This engine reminded me of the Decapod in that appears to have good acceleration. In many ways, Webb paralleled some modern manufacturing concepts and they worked well for the unit. Proven parts have higher value than special or custom parts. The Decapod, as I recall, was a complete custom machine that only proved a point and was eventually scrapped. This channel is building a very interesting model layout you might like. th-cam.com/video/O5MgwufHI9U/w-d-xo.html
Said it before, I'm not much interested in trains but always enjoy your content.
Wonderful video thanks Mr H
We're so lucky that some of the less glamorous, less prestige locos were preserved. I would make much more of an effort to go and see this wee beastie at a gala day event, than to see Flying Scotsman, Tornado, or another "celebrity" pacific. It's unlikely there could ever be a successful "business case" for saving this wee engine but, to me anyway, these everyday workhorses are a more genuine representation of the steam era.
While those responsible for the loco have done a wonderful; job and she looks fantastic, all clean and shiny, I would be just as happy to photograph this one, covered in coal dust and grime, as she would have been seen on 99% of her days in traffic.😁👍
The restored steam locomotive looks so beautiful in its simple elegance. I understand that locomotives didn't look this good during their working days/life.
🤔 BUT I wonder: did they ever look this shiny and polished when they were first constructed (sold/put to work)??
Hi Jago from Spain. How about a video on the Tilbury tanks, some of which, I understand went on to other lines where a powerful locomotive was required such as, on the Cromer branch.
Lovely to see some proper steam! I wonder how much longer we will see them fired up and ready to go, what with climate change, price of coal etc...until then , lets enjoy!
Oh my goodness, where are the driving cylinders?
Between the frames, driving onto a crank axle on one of the driving wheels
@@secondvalveservices9856 Just like the majority of Victorian steam locomotives. Visible moving parts below the waistline (whether mechanical or female) were frowned upon.
Am I right in thinking that the station in this video is the one used for the photo shoot for the album 'Back into the Future' by Man. It certainly looks like it.
tanks for the memory, perhaps.
Ref: 06:54 I saw what you did there.
Please show the livery of the more elaborate passenger, does he wear spurs and spats ?
I don’t see cylinders. What makes the wheels go ‘round?
Inside cylinders (under the boiler).
Mr. J.M. Dunn became the Shed Master at Bangor 6H MPD before his retirement.
I remember Bahamas was based at Dinting just down road from me. That would be a great topic for a video for you if you wanted a Manchester/Derbyshire focus
All that happened is that the subtitles got a built mangled, the narration gets a bit confusing. The word National Trust is for sure there, but the word National Collection is missing. Unless I’m going do-lally? Please help me sort out what was written and what was not. That apart, a cracking and humorous account of the background of this class of locomotive, employing wry and sharp -edged humour. I like it.
Master Just-Turned 3 and I both approve the showing of this video, of a Thoroughly useful Engine....from LeviNZ ,,where the temp is 14*C
Love me a Coal Tank
I saw this in Northampton the other day
👍🏻🇬🇧
Well I live and learn. Didn't realize Gloria Gaynor's number one was about a tank engine. Thank you.
Who need's the Open University?
Love it!
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....and I'll buy you a case of beer or a bottler of whisky! 😉🍻🥃
think there is a coal tank in perservation on the KWVR -( KEIGHLEY WORTH VALLEY railway)
Puts me to shame😂, look at it go🤩👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Excellent video! TFP
Questions sire
(And I probably can google this. But... anyway...)
What is stay of execution?