Count Basie on Art Tatum, Interview with Oscar Peterson 1980
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- Oscar Peterson interviews Count Basie in 1980.
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Piano - Oscar Peterson & Count Basie
Bass - Niels Pedersen
Drums - Martin Drew
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i could listen to oscar talk for hours............great voice, musician and human being!!!!
dettigs and so eloquent and educated. what a remarkable man.
Oscar Peterson had a very fine voice and there is actually one record made when he was singing. Beautifully!
dettigs
And... he was also a great singer! True... !?
what a touch...just one touch...
Me, too. What an amazing, generous man...
Those two legends still stay humble when speaking about Tatum. There are levels of greatness only other great artists can understand. Could listen to this for hours.
It's astonishing to feel the intensity of musical history and spirit coming out of this conversation. To think how much of our musical landscape today has been shaped and defined by these maginificent players!
I want to add something 5 months later to my earlier comment: I absolutely LOVE how when Oscar says "you can't just hate someone voluntarily" [5:02] Basie immediately quips back "I can!"
I am just a fan of Mr. Peterson and to think he was intimidated by Art Tatum says everything. I have the re-constructed Art Tatum album.
"I don't think he could stand any spaces."
This, from the king of the spaces. Awesome.
3:55 is gold, Basie accusing Peterson of exactly what Tatum would do to other musicians.
The Basie-Peterson collaboration "Satch and Josh" is a great album, and Peterson manages to NOT engage turbo mode on some of the songs 🏎️🎹
Exactly right!
Two giants discussing another giant. It doesn't get any better than that.
Exactly what I was thinking.
They're discussing God, not a giant.
@@tobiolopainto, I'm convinced that you missed the point of my post. The point is they are musical giants and they are discussing Art Tatum who is another musical giant. Reading is fundamental.
@@davionbattle7664 Believe me, I know who Art Tatum is. My father was the emcee of a club that Tatum worked at. He was part of my household history. In contradistinction to your statement about 3 giants, I'm referencing Fats Waller who, when Tatum came into the club Waller was at, said that "God is in the house." I'm saying 2 giants, one God!.
@@tobiolopainto that’s not what you referenced. You attempted your comment with sarcasm and you were corrected, which made you look like a fool. So try again. Maybe thinking before you type would be helpful in your future posts.
I watch the old Oscar Peterson interviews every 6-12 months and enjoy them just as much every time!
What really makes these artists great is not only their great creative and interpretive quality, but also their great personality that they transmit.
Every time I'm depressed about life, music, career, relationships I always watch this video and all those problems are overrun by complete joy. Thanks for such an amazing post.
another olde time pianist who brings joy: Fats Waller.
I just watched this for the first time and I don’t think I’ve smiled this wide in a very long time.
When Oscar starts smiling and laughing he looks like a young kid and I can’t help but smile and laugh with him
Art Tatum was revered by all Pianists. His musicianship and virtuosity was off the chart
Someone with a Liszt profile picture commenting this means a lot.
Mr Peterson was a true friend of Tatum and he's humble enough to admit he was greatly influence by Tatum playing.
I have this huge smile on my face listening to Peterson and Basie. There's this sense of relaxed enjoyment and immense time. Outstanding human beings. Wish I'd had the chance to hear Oscar play.
Count Basie is definitely one of my favourite musos. He's such an amazing pianist and very empathetic and embracing of all the collaborations in which he is involved musically. He is very minimalistic in his playing. Some of his detractors criticized him for this. Little did they{the critics} realize that by not being overbearing, he actually created an atmosphere for the the other players to contribute optimally to the music project at hand. The whole is ultimately greater than the sum of the parts. The individual musicians are thus not decimated but edified. What a band leader he was. I dare to say that he was a quintessence to music in general and jazz music in particular! A great musician he was. I can't stop to sing his praises.
Theo Kgapola.
Agreed.
I've often thought that Art Tatum is great (in part) because of all the notes he plays. Count Basie is great because of all the notes he doesn't play. I'm not saying one's better than the other. They're great in their different ways.
@@samueloverend3517 I agree with you both on your analysis. Two widely contrasting styles. Personally I love Basie's less is more genius...
Basie may have had a "minimalist" style later in his career, but in his younger days in Kansas City he was a helluva stride player.
What a terrific interview. These guys were true masters of both their art and humanity.
That was soooo cool! I could have watched them for another hour! Anyone's love for Art Tatum is very well placed!!!
trimntim For real! Game recognize game! Or as they say in Igboland HE WHO PAYS RESPECT TO GREAT PAVES THE WAY TO HIS OWN GREATNESS.
Arts the Babe Ruth of solo jazz piano.
This is so beautiful. Thank God there were producers who felt that such content as this was worth televising and preserving.
Thanks for posting.
I saw Peterson play solo piano twice in England and also the Basie Orchestra twice too. Basie was a great band leader and of course he played swing and his band was amazing, and he was a showman. Peterson’s facility was as close to Art’s as makes no difference. Oscar may even have been a more rounded musician, but technically Tatum could do things nobody has yet manager to replicate. Doubters should try listening to various examples of him playing Elegy. It’s impossible not to feel awake at the mastery and brilliance.
I so wish Tatum had not died so young. You listen to his records and realise what an astonishing technique he possessed and why he did intimidate even the great Oscar Peterson.
If only Tatum had been born 30 years later when his kidney failure might have been treated and he could have lived longer.
Tatum was an incredible player and from all accounts an amazingly decent bloke as well.
He will never be forgotten.
When I watch these guys talk about Tatum with such respect, I love it. And these guys are arguably two of the best, and yet, there was Tatum who indeed was one of a kind. First time I heard him my jaw just dropped. On the other hand, 'bout the time I had picked my jaw up I heard Peterson and it dropped again. Don't know if I ever found it after that lol! So I've been jawless ever since. It humbles you if you think you can play piano. Les Paul said he was playing piano in groups until he heard Tatum. He said the first night he heard him he quit piano right than and concentrated on guitar from then on. Of course, the rest is history as they say in that regard as well. Us wannabees just have to sit and enjoy it.
Right at the beginning, 0:00 he mentions a name I don't recognize "Matthew Vartizen?"
Any ideas?
Searching for variants had nothing but cold leads for me.
The link in the description here to the whole clip is a dead end.
I love how all the greats have nothing but respect and admiration for each other! Take note haterz! 🎃
What a delightful conversation; two witty, wonderful artists enjoying each other's company. How lucky we are to eavesdrop on this.
Thank goodness for technology, to forever witness two icons intimately speaking casually, candidly and hilariously about another maestro.
Oscar: “you just can’t voluntarily hate someone.”
Basie:”I can... !”
LOL.
Wonderful thankyou for posting.
Young people: these are real men of accomplishment. Masters at what they did. Humble and dignified.
What a pleasure to hear two greats pick each other's brains about a man who might just be the greatest pianist ever born.
I feel that way about Art, too . . . and Oscar, Basie, Cole, Evans . . . all kinds of guys . . . (sigh). I'll never be allowed to play in the same halls, but, at my best, I can get close enough to smell the ivory burning.
This is so wonderful - reminiscing about a time gone by. Wow - where are we now? They are talking about friendly competition and pushing each other, driving each other to new achievements - to new heights in their own playing. Today the bar is so low - so sad.
Can you imagine that night Basie is talking about? Artie Shaw playing with Tommy Dorsey and then add Art Tatum? What could that have been like?
Precious. Thank you.
3:59 and following is the classiest "rekt" in history
Basie is soooo funny! This is amazing!
I loved this interview. Thanks for uploading :-)
Oh, man.....I stumble on great stuff like this on youtube and there goes my whole day!
I could sit and listen to those guys all night and through the week. That's as good as it gets when it comes to musicianship
What a great man Oscar Peterson was! Everyone knows how great he was as a musician, but just what a kind and compassionate man. I remember hearing years ago the story that Peterson was growing pretty cocky as a young and up-coming player on the instrument, feeling that he'd mastered it. His father, though, burst his balloon by buying a copy of Tatum's "Tiger Rag" and playing it for an astounded young Peterson, who could not believe that it was one man and not two playing on the record. Peterson has told that story many times over the years, and used to illustrate how his father helped him grow not only as a musician, but as a man and a person. Great story, and a reminder that sometimes in life, to get to where you want to go, you need to eat some humble pie first.
Charlie Parker had that same effect on saxophone players as Tatum did on pianists, and Wes Montgomery on guitarists. Men who did the seemingly impossible on their instruments and elevated the art immeasurably while doing so.
I don't understand music well enough to shine these men's shoes but not only is it obvious that they are giants musically and intellectually but also that they are wonderfully humane.
Thank you Emile for this post
This video is priceless, ty for uploading
Holy crap. I didn't read the title right. And then the camera is on Count Basie. Two of the very best.
Wow. As awesome as both of them are the respect and admiration for Mr Tatum is palpable. Classy.
A jam session of Art Tatum, Count Basie, Buddy Rich, Tommy Dorsey and Artie Shaw. Damn.
RIGHT!!!!
This is rare, excellent, much needed. If only we had such as Bach and Handel conversing, or Vincent and Picasso, or Dickens and Shakespeare, or Dylan Thomas and Blake. But, it cannot happen, and has not happened, Luckily, we have some correspondence of Freud and Einstein, especially on war and its possible prevention. We long for pure truth and will happily take explanation and anecdote, like this humorous and joyous talk.
Always glad to see comments from humanists and lovers of wisdom. peace be with you brother
After a few years, it still is a wonderful, humorous, entertaining, informative, memorable conversation.
What a wonderful video, thank you for sharing.
The great Vladimir Horowitz once said that if Art Tatum has decided on playing Classical instead on swing & Jazz that he would have quit playing altogether!
There is a story too about some pianist saying "It's a good job he's black or we'd be out of work."
Doctor Garbonzo - You are full of crap! Horowitz never said that and NOBODY would have made him quit. Instead, everybody was in awe of HIM, including Tatum and THAT is well documented contrary to your story.
@@vova47 There is a story about Art and Horowitz. It is convincingly conveyed on here by Andre Previn if you check out the 70s BBC programmes on here featuring Oscar and Andre. BTW, I doubt that using Anglo Saxon rather coarse words ever made anyone sound more convincingly correct. Try more words of Romance origins. They sound far nicer. And there is no need to SHOUT some words out. It just reflects your frustration at being inarticulate.
@@vova47 obviously the phrase "I will quit if..." is used with tongue in cheek.
@@vova47 There is a story of Horowitz with that. There's also the case of Les Paul who switched to guitar from piano after hearing Art Tatum's album!
Probably the most wonderful interviewer.....interviewing Mr Basie.....doesn't get any better. Fantastic.
I'm used to hearing these wonderful musician's play. This is the first time that I've heard them speak in a conversation. It adds some perspective.
Oscar was never old, he had the joyful spirit of a child!
Incredible interview...just incredible. I love them both.
As we get better we become increasingly humble.. I'll never be that humble. Love these gents.
Sometimes. The whole point of this interview is they were humbled by Art Tatum, who wasn't humble. He enjoyed and supported other musicians but he still ended up terrifying and "destroying" them and "wasting" the piano! Also Miles Davis didn't seem humble...
Beautiful conversation
what a treat this is
thank you
Thanks Emile. Wonderful conversation.
Art Tatum- piano God.
Wow!! what a wonderful conversation by two musical geniuses about god sitting at the piano. lol! Thanks for sharing.
7:00 when Basie salutes the playing of Tatum I literally cried
Marian McPartland described a wealthy jazz fan's home where she'd go from Tatum's gigs to after-parties. She said Art, who was blind, would get a cabbie to stop and pick up a couple of cases of beer on the way to the party. He'd sit at the piano playing and drinking beer until the sun came up.
Great story, thanks! Tatum was the man.
Everyone should be so lucky to find that relationship that Oscar found with Art Tatum.
Art Tatum be in here man...that's gangster....
😆 old school warnings
Thank you Thank you Thank you for posting this. Thank you 🙏🏼
Precious. F!cking precious.
Smithsonian Institution: please preserve this for all of eternity, for the betterment of mankind, and for the promotion of peace.
All musicians and music lovers: Enjoy yourself. Enjoy others. Enjoy.
wow.. what a golden piece of footage, two greats hear talking, im enchanted by how informative real and humorous this exchange was
" I just had to ignore him.....and much as you can ignore .....Death."
The ultimate compliment from the greatest jazz pianist of my time.
What an amazing conversation about Tatum :D
I just adore these LEGENDS..
Two greats discussing a great from an era that has no equal. We will never see this again.
Oscar and Count...love not only their music but their stories..and they had the BIGGEST smile!!!
I would LOVE to see this entire conversation between these two GIANTS of music.
Two great musical icons both very sadly missed
This is precious!
one of the all time great discussions in the history of jazz piano)
Two icons together....
This is fantastic.
I remember when Oscar was a frequent guest on the Michael Parkinson show, always was a special treat to listen to him play and then talk about the greats he knew and played with. RIP sir.
Two giants of jazz! Very sadly missed
That was spectacular. Would love the whole thing if possible
Jazz is all the rave again, and people are going back to it in droves. This, in part, is clearly due to the fact that today’s music is little more than regurgitated superficial noise, whereas Jazz has the power to touch your soul, and evoke a transcendental dimension of experience. That’s the power of real MUSIC; not unlike the Blues, the Classical Rock, and the Classical compositions, too; true art forms that could elevate your experience of being alive.
I would argue that the music of technology is still in its infancy and had the potential yo grow into a great style of music, but hasn't gotten there yet. There is also a difference between pop techno and more exploratory music of this era.
Also, the internet makes it extremely easy to document the learning process of regurgitated garbage. Nobody has videos of Parker in his first jam session.
I think all music has the potential to touch souls if skillfully done. It's just a matter of sifting through.the artists who arent putting their souls into it.
Mi dispiace non capire, adoro questi musicisti !
Hahaha. Haven't had such a good laugh in a long time.
Awesome guys.
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Great musicians....awesome
In these times real legends didn’t take themselves too serious, it was all about music and their passion
Overbeautiful ❤
The image of Count Basie, Tommy Dorsey, Buddy Rich, and Art Tatum all being in the same room…
Awesome interview 😎👌
I love this
Awesome exchange
"He couldn't stand spaces." That's the one thing I didn't like about Tatum. No question that Tatum was great, but I'll take Barry Harris over Tatum. Oscar said in another interview that when he was young and heard a recording of Tatum's, he thought 2 pianists were playing and that when he found out that it was just one man, he went into his room and cried because he realized that he could never be that great. Well, I do think that Oscar is that great. How interesting that they became great friends. What a great conversation shown here. I wish I could do those runs like Art and Oscar.
It's not just the machine gun of Art Tatum's playing, it's the machine gun of ideas. You can't put it on and relax. I think partly he was so conditioned by the 3 1/2 minute length of 78s that he poured everything he had, sometimes quoting and reharmonizing songs every bar. His later recordings on Pablo are slightly more relaxed.
lol the wide shot of the two men facing each other from the other side of two different pianos
I've been a FT pro pianist for 43 years. Oscar AND Tatum have intimidated me for 46 years, and still do!
Art Tatum couldn't stand spaces lol
Two extremely modest gentlemen talking about their hero....well guys,you are hetos too. God bless you Bill and Oscar....xx
Oscar was one of the greats, no doubt about that.
Wow!...
Wow how can we hear more of this
Art Tatum was the man who's virtuosity on the piano caused Les Paul to switch instruments: from the piano to the guitar. 😮
Hysterical
Oscar reminds me (when he talks) of Orson Welles. Great raconteur.
That was one very talented man.
Ray Charles basically said that Art Tatum was God of piano. Now, when one blind piano master speaks about another blind piano master in humbled awe...well, then that other piano master might very well be the god of piano.
Oscar Peterson could go toe to toe with Art Tatum. They’re both mind blowing.
Those 8 bars of Someone to Watch Over Me were nothing to sneeze at. Some of their prowess was in the fill-in runs, but that's not a belittlement. Getting them up to that speed, mastering them in every key and having the facility to employ them at will in appropriate places is literally impossible for most players. And of course that's just a fraction of their bags of tricks.
You know a discussion by two great piano players about another piano player, whom they regarded as this singularly awesome musician - Art Tatum. Art Tatum definitely deserves the paean granted to him by Oscar and The Count. It's quite amusing that he actually had an "intimidating effect" on his fellow musicians. But hey, we are talking about a true musical giant. Oscar strikes me as a no nonsense, erudite jazz musician. He {Oscar} has the ability to transcend space and time, as he plays - he uses extemporization to add value to the aesthetics of the incumbent jazz music project. The said improvisation isn't restricted to the "self" but also a fundamental collective function - isn't this "swing"? For me swing is that intangible variable but feel it you can. The Count on the other hand is very good and artistically economical on his piano playing. His detractors criticized him for this, little did they realize that he was creating a great environment for his fellow band members to play and extemporaneously add value to the aesthetics of the jazz project. This made the "Count Basie Orchestra" singularly great. The longevity of this "Orchestra" was historical by all understandable standards - pun intended. Extemporization, swing and the blues; are the Sine quibus non of jazz music. Yeah, the ubiquity of these elements and/or variables are primary characters of the jazz music we so much love and enjoy 🎶🎵👏👌👍. Long live jazz music!!
Theo Kgapola{Benoni}
Holy Toledo…That is some history folks.
10/10 times, I would pick Oscar
Hard ti imagine The Count being intimidated by anyone. He came to my high school all those years ago. The best night of my four years in HS.
I was trained in classical music (YAY Bach!), and play mostly Baroque organ. But I have to tell you; Tatum was awesome.
BTW: Rachmaninoff was a huge fan of Tatum. In fact in Rachmaninoff's famous Paganini Rhapsody, the 15th variation is clearly a tribute to Tatum.
Art, Oscar and Teddy....wow.......