What Happened To EREBOR & DALE After The War of the Ring? | Middle Earth Lore
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- Today are covering what happened to Erebor, the lonely mountain and the City of Dale after the War of the Ring. Hope you enjoy!
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I always get a bit sad about the fate of the dwarves. So in my head cannon they live prosperously with the men and eventually unite with the other dwarf realms
They didn’t die out outright, they did eventually. But it took many ages.
canon*
Good one
@@thomasalvarez6456 what happened to make them die out?
They simply exhausted their line, likely due to things like their isolationism and racial prejudice. They kept to themselves so well odds are they passed on in silence, unbeknownst to the rest of Middle-Earth until someone dares to Approach, if anyone was left to seek them.
Bard is one of those characters that comes and goes but is an important character at just the right time. I'd like to hear more about Bard and his family. Live in Erebor or Dale, tough one. I think Dale but with access to Erebor. Both are a wonder.
@@wilfri3476 I’d never thought of it like that before… it does make u think though 🤔
@@wilfri3476 well in palisor fankil / fangli is live and stel the real dark lord of Arda in 4th edge ho faited agains dwarths armies 4 time biger than sauron and two time biger than same Morgoth , and faight 6 full Clans of avars , sauron faight agains 5% of noldoli that faight morgoth half of nandors , 10% of sindars and only half of Halethians that faight agains morgoth ,Beor Balan clan and Malach clan after deaths of Turin Hurin Tour basicaly only survivivors are that Balans ho escape from beleriand after sauden flames so Fankil logicaly faight with armies minimum 20time buger than sauron shit that prospered only bicose Moria was distroed by Balrog Erebor by Smaug Arnor by two imbecil Prince and pasivity of elrod cirdan and condor king , and Gondor supremacy was distroed not by sauron but by Castamirians and in second edge Nandor Kingdom of Lenwe/Dan logicali being more numeros than Cirdan elfs Gil Galad Amroth Celebrimbor Elrond Amdir and sindars of Tranduil father tughether did not take part in 1692/1700 war
I'd have to choose Erebor. The Dwarves have always interested me the most out of the Tolkien races.
Same
Such a pity that non-human races always have to fail in the end in most fantasy settings. I blame lack of imagination on authors part.
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But tbh wasn't Tolkiens idea kinda that this could have been like our world just that it's so far ago we don't remember or something like that? So that in the end just men remained and that's why the World is like it is today. But idk whether I am right about that
@@gabriellang7998 If it was most other fantasy settings I'd agree, but here on Tolkiens part it was intentional. A key point if the story and setting is that magic is fading, Lord of the Rings would be very different if it wasn't like that. Plus as someone else mentioned, this is meant to be an ancient earth, in other words our prehistory.
@@the_corvid97 What do you mean, ancient earth?
This world is a literal bubble of reality set in the sea of primeval night. It's like a pocket dimension from a newbie creator god.
Has nothing to do with any of our legends, or is not really relevant to our past.
Tolkien lore seem to be a stand-alone mythos, loosely based upon existing concepts.
Which changes nothing regarding my previous statement.
I think it is just low-hanging fruit on many authors part to just describe decline instead of showing ascending world and characters. I would love to see something else for a change.
Never understood why the dwarves marched their army out of the gate to fight in close combat. The mountain give them the perfect defense and choke point to repel any attack.
Dale-men wanted to defend their own city, which is in front of the country (presumably also fortified). Understandably, dwarves decided they won't leave their allies unaided.
They City was shit nothing worth to protect
@@lXlElevatorlXl dwarfs don't produces many goods other then blacksmith, precious stones and minerals, they relied 100% on the man city for food and other goods without it they would just starve
They wanted to kill the leader if they hold that position they will eventually ran out of troops and as we know it another army was coming to reinforce the orcs they had small numbers so defending it will be almost pointless
I love Dwarven buildings and architecture, but I would go with Dale. I need to see the open sky and the sun rising and setting
Bard is an excellent idea. Looking forward in hope.
Dale. Definitely Dale. I like sunshine which seems a bit lacking under a mountain.
That was a hard level in the Battle for Middle Earth 2, as evil the Dwarves just spamming you with mass attacks while you can barely make enough money to hold them off or as good, those two open doors you can't close and even if you put a lot of troops there the enemy just runs right through them as if they were never there.
History of Bard?
Yes, please.
I loved the art direction of Dale in the films and in it's heyday before Smaug, I'd have lived there. Equally the homes and living areas of Erebor ware quite intriguing. I'm not a huge fan of underground living but I'd take an apartment in Erebor during a visit, but I'd have a home in Dale, lol.
I had no idea Dain Ironfoot was killed during the War of the Ring. Very interesting.
He killed over 3,000 foes while no moving a step back until he was killed
Definitely would live in Dale. Who wants to live inside all day?
Not just that but a trade city gives you access to a variety of fresh foods and new products
It's been a while since I've been here but I'm happy to see you guys well over 100k subscribers again! Having to make a new channel would break a lot of people but you guys didn't let that stop you.
Congrats guys! Well done.
I'd live in Erebor for sure but would make frequent trips to Dale.
Considering how close they are, Both is a fair option. One could even visit Lake Town on Occasion.
Far away the misty mountains cold through dungeons deep and caverns old we must away ere break of day to find our long forgotten gold....
I agree. Bard is absolutely a character I'm very much interested in knowing more about.
I’d love to see a LOTR game in the style of the old Fable game on the original Xbox. I’m in my 30’s and I’d still play that for hours
@@vpbhoy9700 shadow of mordor exists
@@vpbhoy9700 then you should wish for a proper RPG game in the vein of skyrim or witcher 3. That would be great if you want to explore middle earth and experience its peoples
You'd have to plant Meadows of snowbell flower, that's white flower black root. And baby's breath, is the other seedling you saturate the Meadows with. The easiest way to do it is you a map The thermals of your stratospheres, then you build a gyrocopter you welded together with your 2-in copper pipes and a two-stroke dirt bike engine and then you pull up a 16 kilo bag 16 ft above the proper thermal that you want to drift through and just slowly release the pressure of the seating and you saturate the whole valley at the right point on the right day. About 45 minutes from beginning to end and you seed the whole valley.
Potential topic: What was the afterlife for Dwarves? Obviously Men had the “Doom of Men”/“Gift of Illuvatar” and the Elves would be reborn in the Halls of Mandos, but what happened to the Dwarves when they died?
According to the elves they returned to the earth and rock they were created from.
The dwarves believe that they return to their creator, Mahal, and will be kept safe by him until the time of the Dagor Dagorlath, the final war against Morgoth that breaks the universe. After that they will help the Valar rebuild the world.
I prefer the dwarven belief, personally.
@@gathenhielm9977 I like the dwarven version as well
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Well eru did officially adopted them. Hence brethren to the elves and men.
I can believe eru would just them them non exist.
Perhaps kept in their own little section of the undying lands under aule. To learn to be ready for the rebuilding
@@fightingfalcon777
I doubt eru would forsake them considering their contribution to middle earth
If I'm not mistaken and it's possible, they stood in the halls of the Mandos to never leave. But in sections of their own kind, to drink and feast, not to see and interact with elves when they goes there to rest and get a new body. I think I read this in the Silmarillion, but I'm not sure. In fact would be good to read it again. :D
What-if video idea for you to do:
What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
Nothing beats Rivendell for me but Dale could be a nice place to live. No windowless, gold filled tunnels for me.
By the forge of Aulë, I would rather reside in the splendorous halls of Durin's Folk
I've gradually formed a theory about how the races of elves, dwarfs and hobbits "faded." Rather than becoming extinct, they gradually interbred with humans. Aragon and Arwen's union is one example: their children were elven and human. I'd find it hard to believe that they were the only example of an elf and a human marrying. I don't think unions between dwarfs and humans is unlikely, and hobbits were the most humanlike of the other races. I always remember how Merry and Pippin became exceptionally large for hobbits after drinking entwash; who's to say they or their descendants didn't marry human women?
Did you ever wonder if Pedo Humans hung out around the Shire? It's almost like dating a child, but legal.
@@matts1166 Unless the said hobbit is actually an underage child hobbit (a tappit, jailbit, or hobbait in Shire vernacular). Then it's definitely like dating a very tiny child, and NOT legal.
The hobbit legal age of consent is 5 years old. But, that's in Shire years. So, it's around 3 of our years.
Don't look at me. I don't make the laws. I'm just quoting them. Hobbits be crazy. 🤣🤣🤣
@@bullzdawguk what in the hell 😂😂😂😂
@@Mr-ri8nv lmao! 🤣🤣🤣
I’m pretty sure that would be canonically wrong…it contradicts what Tolkien said on the matter. The only races that interbred (very rarely at that) were Elves and Men.
I'd like to see a video on Bard.
I’d have chosen erebor to live in… always liked the dwarfs all more than the other races…. I do like the other races but dwarfs have ALWAYS been a favourite of mine…
Love waking up to Tolkien videos 😁😁 happy holidays guys
Happy holidays! :D
Merry Christmas
Erebor, for sure. I love my dwarven folk too much to ever think of being apart from them.
I'm going for Dale. A) I'm too tall for Dwarven doorways, b) as cool as the Dwarven aesthetic is, I like the sun, and c) I like women with a little less facial hair.
Yes I would love to see a video about Bard please! Thank you so much for your videos. I really do enjoy them. I listen to them, while I'm at work. :)
Yes, a video on Bard would be great 👍
Merry Christmas !!!!!!!!!
Happy holidays! :D
Merry Christmas and have a happy new year!
Out of those 2 options only, I'd probably chose living in the Dale.
Yes, I would like to hear more of Bard.
Please make a video about Bard, and would love live in Dale.
Erebor!
Excellent video really enjoyed that one
one might wonder what happened To Erebor and Moria after the Time of the Dwarves ended .. Moria and the Lonely Mountain with its great halls and treasure hoards turned into a museum or what .. ? Haha..
I'd like to see the video about bard, but I also want to know more about the history of the wizard staffs, for example, how did gandalf get his staff back after saruman betrayed him? Stuff like that.
We gotta have a bard video 👍🏼
Erebor, I’ve always identified my self with the dwarves.
Bard was Captain of the Guard of Lake Town and a fell warrior in his own right. Not some vagabond smuggler river rat. And the Men at the Battle of Five Armies was a well trained and armed force of swordsmen and archers that numbered 3-4 thousand. These men were gathered from the remaining Lake Town Guard and the numerous villages that dotted the Long Lake. They were Not a tiny unwashed, unarmored, ill equipped rabble.
Definitely going to live in Erebor.
Yes please! Make a video about Bard!
Yes, more about Bard
cool vid Jake me live in Erebor and yeah it would be cool to have a full vid on Bard the Bowmen
I have a couple ideas for future videos. It would be nice to see Frodos story. What happened to his parents, etc. also a “what if” video showing how LOTR would have been different if pippin and merry didn’t join them in the shire. Hope you guys are having a good holiday.
Frodo's parents died in a boating accident
Bard? Yes please!
Really enjoying this channel. Can you do MORE videos on Post Return of the King?
I would choose to live inside Erebor. Not because I find it any better than Dale. It's because I'm a dwarf at heart and choosing anything else would be heresy.
Of course we want a Bard video!
More Bard info would be good to hear. I’d probably be on a farm outside Dale. 😉
Would love to learn more about Bard!
Imma need to hear some bard lore and his ancestor who wounded the dragon
I do love you guys video 😊 i have a question for you. What happened to the iron hill once Dâin became king of erebor ?
Marry Christmas and happy holidays!
Happy holidays! :D
Merry Christmas to you too!
I would live in the City of Dale, since living inside a Mountain in the dark 100% of the time would suck
I would live in Erebor
I've always had a kinship with dwarves, they were always my favorite mythical race. And I love mountains, I'd choose to live in the Lonely Mountain, or Moriah
I'd like to hear more about Bard
I would live in Erebor because the Dwarves are my favorite.
Yes. Bard is an interesting character.
I would choose the dwarven halls. I am most fascinated by dwarves of all the races in middle earth
In ancient Egypt (primarily during the Old Kingdom era), dwarfs were often known for their skills as master-jewellers and highly sought after. Not only that, but their jewellery was believed to possess magical qualities.
Coincidence? Somehow, I find it highly unlikely. Does anyone know where Tolkien found inspiration when he created dwarves? I would hazard a guess and suggest this is precisely where he found his inspiration.
That sounds exactly like the dwarves from Norse mythology, where he got most of his dwarf inspiration. They made, for example, Freya's magical necklace, Brísingamen.
@@slinky6481 Thanks for replying. Interesting. What I find particularly interesting is how dwarves are looked upon in the same way in a totally unrelated culture. Not only that, but the Norse are later in history, which suggests they did not influence each other somehow. Funny, I never considered the Norse myths.
That said, it seems fitting that he got his inspiration from the Norse, since they have more of a Middle Earth vibe, in comparison to the ancient Egyptians.
Dale, but only because I'm slightly claustrophobic and I want my dogs and cats with me. They need the room outside.
Excellent narrative.
I would choose Erebor for security, but frequently visit Dale.
I reread The Hobbit recently. I got a kick out of "cram". Reminded me of the bread they put in MREs.
A video on Bard would be awesome
I would love to hear more about Bard.
Was Erebor abandoned when Thorin I went north to found new Halls or did it remain a lordship of Durin's Folk with the King somewhere else?; like the Iron Hills and Glittering Caves
I'd have to choose Dale. I like sunshine which seems a bit lacking under a mountain.
Bard is like Aragorn with a bow
so basically legolas?
@@joseole1117 well not really
Dwarven halls all the way. The only trouble I would have would be my slight claustrophobia and 6' 5" stature.
Yes. A Bard video. 🤙🏼
I’d live in Dale, but I’d be going to visit Erebor quite a bit!
Yes to Bard!
I’d honestly live in fangorn. Just become a witch of the woods and live quietly with nature. I’d try and see if I could live in harmony with not only with natural creatures but try and bring balance to dark ones as well like the spiders, wargs and fellbeast. I’d do what I can to I weave Saurons darkness and hold over them and try and help them habitat naturally.
Dale rather than Erebor. Not as good durability, but most likely overall more comfortable.
An more dragons...
Im early af to this one
:D
Would you recommend unfinished tales and did you enjoy it I'm thinking of buying it
I like it, I listened to the audio book while I was reading it, it definitely helped me process it
@@jeremyryan4085 thank you
Yeah for sure. Some really great info in there if you're into the lore :)
@@TheBrokenSword thanks a lot that's very helpful😄😄😄
Yes to Bard video!
If I had to choose between Erebor and Dale... Id live in Rohan.
Please do video on Bard!
I can't find the twitch channel link can someone please let me know what it is
Is there any talk about air flow and oxygen in general within these mines?
What about the taxes?
I would be a dwarf living in Dale... I picture myself sitting on a lake with my boots off finishing.
Minas tirith. I like the view from the kings garden and then i can travel into mordor and Explore the now free lands of nurn khand and Rhun Soo much culture in those farroff lands
I think that I'd rather live in erebor. But obviously in house with windows overlooking the plains and the city of Dale.
What is your twitch name as i can't find it in the description
I would like to live in both for periods of time like 1year in erebor then a year in dale
Any chance of you streaming middle earth board games? Love war of the ring
The races faded? So there was like a big end to the universe in the 4th age ?
Tolkien intended for Middle-Earth to be a prehistoric precursor to our modern world. So, technically there wasn't an end to the universe; it just evolved into the world we have today. Tolkien had stated that we are probably in the 6th or 7th age right now.
@@ericstoverink6579 ok thx thats interesting
@@ericstoverink6579 do we know how they faded ? Did they get wiped out by some higher power or did they just not reproduce xd ?
tell us about Bard
The soldiers of dale must have really good armour and weapons considering their good relationship with the dwarfs.
I watched this video while playing LOTR Conquest
Imagine if they the orcs won the battle of five armies! Gondor would probably be surrounded
Bard! Let's hear about him!
I'd like to live in the Lonely Mountain, that's for sure. ♡
Our the part of the Kingdom of Arnor and Gondor or are they allies like the Rohanrriam are?
Dale-they probably got a hockey team over time....
Total War 2, with the divide and conquer lotr mod is whats up
Where do the dwarves go though as they fade? Do they die out? Or do they get to go to valinor?... like why would they fade out of existence?