that statement was just a bit of a hype from T90, in reality it was much more than that... building castles against 5 cannons, rushing helbs vs scirms and leaving own cannons unprotected, going hand cannons vs scirms and light cav... it was just not the Viper we know.
36:42 epic series already! Viper teaching us again that quick gating often wins out over quick walling. Add a little deagro quick gating for the lure, and mix. “The boar discrepancy” (aka The Boarne Supremacy) that Viper multi-tasked himself into here was truly amazing.
@@benedictjajo Just watch on something where touching the screen doesn't matter? Why are you watching an hours-long series that you're apparently pretty invested in on your phone screen?
I am not constantly following AoE. It is more like an on and off obsession. The more I am so happy that Inl can return anytime and all my favourite players as well as my favourite caster are still just doing what they have always been doing. Thank you for delivering such content the way I need it T90!
Dave co-casting with T90 for the finals is perfect. Insane close 1st game on Migration, Viper played Dravidians best against Hera Italians. Those elephant archers and bbc transport in Hera's original islands weas a great distraction, and great defense from Viper. Eventually pushing back by Dravidians skirms. Great play by Viper 1st game.That 3rd game Nomad I was lmao most of the times with Viper's antics hahaha! What a funny game lol! Crazy back and forth series throughout. That Arena game Viper kinda threw with that bpmbard cannons losing to Hera. Viper played really well and seemed like he was firing on all cylinders for most of the series. Ultimately Hera won and it was a great final. Really competitive final. GG wp!
@T90 Dear T90, Hello glad I found your channel! Just a fun fact for you, around the 10:40 mark you mention 'top level players can cut corners other can't', and I'll have you know that it is the same in Starcraft 1 and 2, where players cut corners in order to get an edge in speed. Cheers! Edit PS: Especially since SC has a less complex economy and is more about pumping out military unit compositions.
1:43:19 Hera and Viper just reminded us in those prior games/sets that they might be the best in the game with cannon micro. Now Viper might get to Bohemian cannon upgrades vs Heras Burgundian rush. Let’s go.
1:52:34 Dave still rocking it. “I wouldn’t.. I don’t speak for the Clown Council. The Clown Council can’t even get… like… on the same page themselves” ❤😂
If Hera wasn't as good as he is he wouldn't have capitalized on those mistakes as hard. The shot at 1:59:38 was crazy, but that alone didn't win him the game. If Viper ate a shot like that against almost any other player in the top 16, he has a very good chance to still win the game. Hera on the other hand takes that small advantage and snowballs it into a victory that looks easy. I mean the man only lost one BBC in that whole game even though his BBCs were outranged the entire time after that shot. That said, I am excited for Redbull and to see if Hera gets toppled from his throne, but someone is going to have to match his consistency to do it.
44:07 is Viper punking T90 now? Is T90 on candid camera, waiting for Viper to jump out and say “I left that wall line open to see if it would disrupt T90’s brain during his cast, since he just talked about renewed Viper pre-walling at length in the quarters and semis”?
That was definitely the big moment in this and I think a lot of people were like GG after that, and IMO completely turned the tide. Viper was making weird mistakes the game after (I think Arabia? Which is Hera's GG map usually). Best I can equate it to is like a Super Bowl pick 6... or like when Percy Harvin returned the kickoff in the Seattle/Denver game. Denver was all pumped up and down quite a bit but not out of it... and then that kick return just kind of "Uh this is over...." given how good Seattle's D is (similar to how good Hera's D is, Viper knew he had to force things which doesn't work well with Hera). Manning's face just said it all... I heard Hera on his stream yesterday and he said he didn't feel that needed to happen to win, but man... as a viewer it felt GG to me.
@@aa-ze5cz 100% facts. Viper was winning arena. If he had won it, he would have won in 8 IMHO. He would have lost Arabia but he would have made so many mistakes. Anyway I'm happy to see that the series was contested
The disrespect towards Hera is real in the comments: "if viper didn't do that or did that, he could have would have won the series... ...etc etc..." Why can't these people simply accept that fact that Hera is the better player now?
0:30 Ultimately META of any strategy game such as this is to master the game so well that you are then playing against your own strengths and weaknesses rather than the opponents...
honestly, I think it's not Hera who became better, it's Viper who somehow not as sharp and lost his confidence... that Arena game... so much risk taking, weird decisions, micro not to the level.
My wife keeps yapping about how I don’t take care our newly born twins while I’m watching T90. I don’t think she clearly understands what’s at stake to be honest. Might be looking to divorce her so I can watch in peace. Viper vs Hera it’s like one time thing. I would die to watch them fight.
I still think they are better than magyars if played to their full potential. Full spears?... Uhhh no... Lol.. if he kept his mma alive and didn't take any damage on the militia before the upgrade comes in.... THEN you immediately place a blacksmith and get forging... Hera would have to farm. No fish for him
What you need for Bulgarians is to do enough damage in feudal to not let them get the cav archers going. Get to castle and just keep up the pressure use the timings of the cheaper/faster military upgrades as soon as you get to the next age. That means you need to have military in feudal like scouts so you have the mass and pressure and the upgrade timings are brutal. And have a few mma in the mix that instantly become longswords. And you can add siege or CA/skirm in castle age
The CA transition with Bulgarians is really smooth because of the cheaper/faster upgrades. They get thumb ring AND parthian tactics as well. So they are decent as long as you are constantly doing enough damage to stay ahead of your opponent which is easy on open maps with the mma. And on closed maps a krepost drop into siege/monk and/or konick.
I have decided to watch this video because the top comment says "Insanely competitive finals. That's the kind of game I love seeing. They both played SO well.", if it didn't I was going to click away from the video.
I am now 3 games in... and I love that games... and I love the commentators... I am just so frustrated with a feeling of this being slightly "anti-viper/pro-Hera" commenting... I could easily come with concrete examples... back in the day, the story was "evenyone roots for the underdog"(which I have never understood) but now it seems that it is still adjacent anti-viper commenting... Just wanted to express that
Dont think you need to do a A to Z basically the same shit all the other smite tubers are doing, between your commentary videos/ funky fridays/competitive game commentaries these sets you apart from everyone else just my 2$. End of the day you do you booboo 😂
spoilers: One of these days, Hera should just be crowned the undisputed champion who sits at the top to face the tournament winner. The tournament winner would face Hera to try to take the crown away.
So sad to see viper struggling. Hera tryhards so much in the end game and that stresses out the hand and he can't do much micro and compete. Prime vipy beats prime hera any day
Insanely competitive finals. That's the kind of game I love seeing. They both played SO well.
1:59:39 Look, if you had one shot or one opportunity. To seize everything you ever wanted, in one moment. Would you capture it or just let it slip?
To "Siege" you mean?😂
@@surgeonsergio6839 I siege what you did there
Eminem
That one Arena game was just pure heartbreak for Viper. One Cannon shot and everything started falling apart
that statement was just a bit of a hype from T90, in reality it was much more than that... building castles against 5 cannons, rushing helbs vs scirms and leaving own cannons unprotected, going hand cannons vs scirms and light cav... it was just not the Viper we know.
@@vincenthughes5795Yeah, he should change his name to Rattled-snake.
This was a hell of a final, loved every second of it
The nomad game was a masterpiece!
It's always is, nomad is just GOATED
36:42 epic series already! Viper teaching us again that quick gating often wins out over quick walling. Add a little deagro quick gating for the lure, and mix. “The boar discrepancy” (aka The Boarne Supremacy) that Viper multi-tasked himself into here was truly amazing.
Bo9?!?!? WITH DAVE?!?!?!? what a perfect 3hour vid... to fall asleep to
Please put an extra 30 minutes of blank screen on the end of these big series. It was a spoiler knowing that the last match was the last match.
Just, don't check how much time is left in the video?
@@Nysyarc Lol... how can you not see the big red bar at the bottom of the video?
@@Nysyarcyou're literally telling me not to touch the screen while watching. 😂
@@Cheximus What do you watch on? Cause I watch on my laptop or my TV and in both cases you have to go out of your way to get the red bar to appear.
@@benedictjajo Just watch on something where touching the screen doesn't matter? Why are you watching an hours-long series that you're apparently pretty invested in on your phone screen?
I am not constantly following AoE. It is more like an on and off obsession. The more I am so happy that Inl can return anytime and all my favourite players as well as my favourite caster are still just doing what they have always been doing. Thank you for delivering such content the way I need it T90!
Fantastic match! I'm so happy to see Bulgarians been picked too
Dave co-casting with T90 for the finals is perfect. Insane close 1st game on Migration, Viper played Dravidians best against Hera Italians. Those elephant archers and bbc transport in Hera's original islands weas a great distraction, and great defense from Viper. Eventually pushing back by Dravidians skirms. Great play by Viper 1st game.That 3rd game Nomad I was lmao most of the times with Viper's antics hahaha! What a funny game lol! Crazy back and forth series throughout. That Arena game Viper kinda threw with that bpmbard cannons losing to Hera. Viper played really well and seemed like he was firing on all cylinders for most of the series. Ultimately Hera won and it was a great final. Really competitive final. GG wp!
Viper definitely won the gg war. ggb is almost as legendary as ÆGG
1:55:47 That one pikeman took down that monk so freaking clutch!! GG Hera, GG Viper.
What an amazing final, just finished watching it. These two are on another level!
awesome series and turny, thanks for all the work that was put into this and the great plays by all the competitors. really fun to watch
@T90 Dear T90,
Hello glad I found your channel! Just a fun fact for you, around the 10:40 mark you mention 'top level players can cut corners other can't', and I'll have you know that it is the same in Starcraft 1 and 2, where players cut corners in order to get an edge in speed.
Cheers!
Edit PS: Especially since SC has a less complex economy and is more about pumping out military unit compositions.
Game 4 was INSANE. What a series
Game 1 Migration is the most incredible example of top tier game play. Absolutely monster of a battle
“You’re looking at his wood??” Dave’s hilarious
The Dan and T90 banter was really giving Tastetosis vibes in how jovial/knowledgable the two were, thoroughly enjoyable commentating!
08:04 they fighting by the windows background 😂
1:43:19 Hera and Viper just reminded us in those prior games/sets that they might be the best in the game with cannon micro.
Now Viper might get to Bohemian cannon upgrades vs Heras Burgundian rush. Let’s go.
I'm surprised by how much Viper threw over here. Hera's stamina to hold on in matches and tore people out is unreal
2:20:11 (simultaneously) aliens!
Plus…the moving company wasn’t given the right specs 😂
56:08 sooo many layers to this layer cake ❤
1:52:34 Dave still rocking it. “I wouldn’t.. I don’t speak for the Clown Council. The Clown Council can’t even get… like… on the same page themselves” ❤😂
such a good series!
i love myself a low elo legends game, but this man... this is what age of empires is
1:59:37 Such a decisive moment.
1:55:25 Dave on it ! for some people AOE2 is like us watching NHL hockey, and they can’t stop themselves yelling “Send him down to the AHL”
at least hera looked beatable. viper lost on his own mistakes and not because hera was just to good. hope for red bull.
If Hera wasn't as good as he is he wouldn't have capitalized on those mistakes as hard. The shot at 1:59:38 was crazy, but that alone didn't win him the game. If Viper ate a shot like that against almost any other player in the top 16, he has a very good chance to still win the game. Hera on the other hand takes that small advantage and snowballs it into a victory that looks easy. I mean the man only lost one BBC in that whole game even though his BBCs were outranged the entire time after that shot.
That said, I am excited for Redbull and to see if Hera gets toppled from his throne, but someone is going to have to match his consistency to do it.
By that logic, every aoe2 match I lost was due to my own mistakes and not because my opponents played better than me. 😂
Isn't that what defines who is good or not?
Best finals for awhile and the best player won. Epic.
44:07 is Viper punking T90 now? Is T90 on candid camera, waiting for Viper to jump out and say “I left that wall line open to see if it would disrupt T90’s brain during his cast, since he just talked about renewed Viper pre-walling at length in the quarters and semis”?
Game 4 was insane! I mean they all were but this one stoodout to me
0:39
I noticed that they have somewhat similar playstyles.
These guys are just insane.
Hera micro too insane
Well done hera although wanted viper to win
could you always collect shord fish at the docks with the villagers ? i never knew this
Viper and Hera cast by T90 and Dave. And I having a flashback, a Deja vu, or a premonition of Red Bull 2024?
Ofc it's them 😭😭😭
Fantastic final
Gratulation an den Sieger.
Every game: “viper has the advantage because of x” then Hera just wins because Hera 😂
Where is the match between Tatoh and Sebastian?
going live on the Extras Channel in a few hours
Okay, cool. Missed watching it live on stream. Hope to watch it soon.
1st 2 games were masterwork
What is the second map explain someone i havent played in years
Spoiler alert::
That shot in 3 bombard cannons in the arena games won Hera the series
That was definitely the big moment in this and I think a lot of people were like GG after that, and IMO completely turned the tide. Viper was making weird mistakes the game after (I think Arabia? Which is Hera's GG map usually).
Best I can equate it to is like a Super Bowl pick 6... or like when Percy Harvin returned the kickoff in the Seattle/Denver game. Denver was all pumped up and down quite a bit but not out of it... and then that kick return just kind of "Uh this is over...." given how good Seattle's D is (similar to how good Hera's D is, Viper knew he had to force things which doesn't work well with Hera). Manning's face just said it all...
I heard Hera on his stream yesterday and he said he didn't feel that needed to happen to win, but man... as a viewer it felt GG to me.
@@aa-ze5cz 100% facts.
Viper was winning arena. If he had won it, he would have won in 8 IMHO. He would have lost Arabia but he would have made so many mistakes.
Anyway I'm happy to see that the series was contested
I’m heavy breathing right now due to that shot, a little mad at viper but still his fan
Ofc I see this before getting to finish the series
Spoilers, Literally the first comment.
To me it's so impressive how good these playhers are and there overlook over the game
1:37:56 dovakiin4e201 nails it.
That 5th game, oh god, I have to admit I’m a little mad, it changed everything
that arena game was... damn. i don't think i've *ever* seen the advantage swing that fast in an aoe match
The bombard cannon shot by Hera! Wow, that won him the arena game! Still watching to see if that won him the tournament. GL both!
Grand indeed!
I see It in Hera TH-cam and think i Will wait It for t90 and comment you're last video what about this ❤️
Dave is such a Viper fanboy :)
Imagine throwing two games
The disrespect towards Hera is real in the comments: "if viper didn't do that or did that, he could have would have won the series... ...etc etc..."
Why can't these people simply accept that fact that Hera is the better player now?
The Arena game was the turning point. Viper was in a great position and if he had won it, I'm sure he would have won the series.
Game 9 would have been Land Madness. Hera had Chinese available to play and that's one of his best maps, so advantage still firmly him I'd say.
@@ar1sm70 True
Viper may have fallen off but he's still insanely good, second only to Hera right now in my opinion.
"did you enjoy the view".. So T90 how was viper's wood?
Does viper not have small trees on?
To avoid spoilers I won’t use names but 🐍 vs 🐎 is definitely going to be a great series
snek vs horse??
@@LaveshNK hussars
Dont make no fuckin sense bro
B bb b
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Wow game 4 was so good
14:14 kalpit00 in chat gay simping very, very hard for Viper. Lmfao. What the hell?
0:30 Ultimately META of any strategy game such as this is to master the game so well that you are then playing against your own strengths and weaknesses rather than the opponents...
honestly, I think it's not Hera who became better, it's Viper who somehow not as sharp and lost his confidence... that Arena game... so much risk taking, weird decisions, micro not to the level.
GG or gg(?)
so hyped
I follow and love both. 🧠🫶
@@Pakos-Terimos absolutely, 2 greats! Was rooting for Viper here a bit...
Wow so early no spoilers
a human wins
@@that_one_momo_guy as opposed to a snake
My wife keeps yapping about how I don’t take care our newly born twins while I’m watching T90. I don’t think she clearly understands what’s at stake to be honest. Might be looking to divorce her so I can watch in peace. Viper vs Hera it’s like one time thing. I would die to watch them fight.
Blud clearly got his priorities straight. 😂
Parody is the sweetest form of imitation
Last game played by Daut rather than Viper
Spoiler shield
let's gooo
Bulgarians! Lets go
I still think they are better than magyars if played to their full potential. Full spears?... Uhhh no... Lol.. if he kept his mma alive and didn't take any damage on the militia before the upgrade comes in.... THEN you immediately place a blacksmith and get forging... Hera would have to farm. No fish for him
HEAVY SCORPION OR SIEGE ONAGER!
What you need for Bulgarians is to do enough damage in feudal to not let them get the cav archers going. Get to castle and just keep up the pressure use the timings of the cheaper/faster military upgrades as soon as you get to the next age. That means you need to have military in feudal like scouts so you have the mass and pressure and the upgrade timings are brutal. And have a few mma in the mix that instantly become longswords. And you can add siege or CA/skirm in castle age
The CA transition with Bulgarians is really smooth because of the cheaper/faster upgrades. They get thumb ring AND parthian tactics as well. So they are decent as long as you are constantly doing enough damage to stay ahead of your opponent which is easy on open maps with the mma. And on closed maps a krepost drop into siege/monk and/or konick.
hype
twitch chat for this series was full of garbage. AOE2 is finally getting big enough that the fandom is starting to fill up with jerk-offs
AoE numbers haven't increased for the last 4 years.
Dave 😻
th-cam.com/video/Y8CKWTQv5p0/w-d-xo.html LMAO!!!!! THOSE MONKS DYING HAD ME CRACKING UP XD
I have decided to watch this video because the top comment says "Insanely competitive finals. That's the kind of game I love seeing. They both played SO well.", if it didn't I was going to click away from the video.
great tourney!! are they ever gonna fix quick play dad????
I am now 3 games in... and I love that games... and I love the commentators... I am just so frustrated with a feeling of this being slightly "anti-viper/pro-Hera" commenting... I could easily come with concrete examples... back in the day, the story was "evenyone roots for the underdog"(which I have never understood) but now it seems that it is still adjacent anti-viper commenting... Just wanted to express that
I'll say it again: Stop picking Bulgarians in the finals. The civ is cursed when it matters.
Dont think you need to do a A to Z basically the same shit all the other smite tubers are doing, between your commentary videos/ funky fridays/competitive game commentaries these sets you apart from everyone else just my 2$. End of the day you do you booboo 😂
Twich chat being so toxic is very annoying
Great match. I only wished the commentary was more balanced and not so extremely pro Viper.
1:59:38 The tournament decider, Viper didn’t look after his cannons. He should have won that game.
I can't believe viper lost the arena game.
gg
Spoiler block 🎁
Snake boy was going hard. He needs to mind his health so he can keep the chase on for numba 1.
Hera's siege micro was the difference.
Gg
GG hera nice win
there skills level is insane.... far out
so bored of watching hera win everything now. Viper choked the arena game
Era of Hera
spoilers:
One of these days, Hera should just be crowned the undisputed champion who sits at the top to face the tournament winner. The tournament winner would face Hera to try to take the crown away.
honestly yeah, every match except the final is a foregone conclusion with hera.
Would be interesting to see a prime viper versus this Hera.
isn't that what every final is? Someone trying to beat Hera to take the crown.
Viper is still the GOAT
The Copium is real.
So sad to see viper struggling. Hera tryhards so much in the end game and that stresses out the hand and he can't do much micro and compete. Prime vipy beats prime hera any day
That’s exactly what I think, viper does grind as hard as he used to do a couple of years ago
The Copium is real.
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