Hey there! I stumbled upon this when struggling to write a paper for my philosophy of mind class. Just wanted to say that I found this incredibly helpful! Thank you!
Is David Lewis basically saying that qualia are not information? They are something far more mysterious which can't be represented in not only physical form but not in spiritual media either without having them. At least that's the gist of it as I may or may not understand it.
That is the objection as I have understood it, yes: if qualia are "non-physical," and unexplainable by physical facts as Jackson would have it, it is unclear what kinds of facts or information (something that could be put in propositional form perhaps) could explain them. Lewis is incredulous because, if there were such non-physical facts, they would be de facto unexplainable. That's fine for some (ex., panpsychists, who take the nonphysical to be fundamental, or epiphenomenalists, who think qualia have no 'work' to do), but a lot of people balk at the idea of unexplained/unexplainable qualitative experiences. Lewis in some of his writing prefers the idea that Mary's acquired knowledge is skill-like knowledge-how, so as to avoid saying there are facts or information that she lacks in the black and white room.
No relation as far as I know. C.S. Lewis was from the UK, born to British parents and from an Anglican background. David K. Lewis was born to two US American professors from a Presbyterian background and himself lived in the US. It is possible they share some very distant ancestry, but not accurate otherwise to think of them as relations.
@@professorohatvassar1274 much appreciate it 🙏 professor. I only had one phil. Class, as undergraduate IE many years ago, unexpected loss of my dearest, after 47 years, 6 months before my retirement has turned me to look for answers with respect to Philosophers, theologians chasing 2 main (at least for me, with respect to worst life disaster, as she was negligected for 13 days by her unethical surgeons!): existence of Evil and Hopes of eternal life ( hopes of seeing her)! After such event, the very same night, I ran across words of ( one of older great legends, Dallas Willard whom just similar to you, was an expert in philosophy ( chair at USC for 43 years)! His words were the impetus for a life changing event in my case. I am unable to write about it rather speak in private. I am grateful to be your new (101) student, first time viewed your lecture was 2 days ago. Started with a new notebook! This experience to my novice beliefs should help or partially repair the 2 conditions I never had in my entire life, Moral Injury and Major Depressive Disorder now I am inflicted with.
I believe I have a complete answer for this thought experiment. I am actually very curious to know if the landscape regarding this thought experiment has changed. I feel a far better way to characterize what is going on. One which is clear and explains very specifically what and how is going on. I can also explain how any system working under the same constraints could be described and would result in precisely the same type of problem caused by what is described in the Mary experiment.
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Hey there! I stumbled upon this when struggling to write a paper for my philosophy of mind class. Just wanted to say that I found this incredibly helpful! Thank you!
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Is David Lewis basically saying that qualia are not information? They are something far more mysterious which can't be represented in not only physical form but not in spiritual media either without having them. At least that's the gist of it as I may or may not understand it.
That is the objection as I have understood it, yes: if qualia are "non-physical," and unexplainable by physical facts as Jackson would have it, it is unclear what kinds of facts or information (something that could be put in propositional form perhaps) could explain them. Lewis is incredulous because, if there were such non-physical facts, they would be de facto unexplainable. That's fine for some (ex., panpsychists, who take the nonphysical to be fundamental, or epiphenomenalists, who think qualia have no 'work' to do), but a lot of people balk at the idea of unexplained/unexplainable qualitative experiences. Lewis in some of his writing prefers the idea that Mary's acquired knowledge is skill-like knowledge-how, so as to avoid saying there are facts or information that she lacks in the black and white room.
@8:34 just like Boolean Algebra AND , NAND operators! BTW was Lewis realted to C.S. Lewis?
No relation as far as I know. C.S. Lewis was from the UK, born to British parents and from an Anglican background. David K. Lewis was born to two US American professors from a Presbyterian background and himself lived in the US. It is possible they share some very distant ancestry, but not accurate otherwise to think of them as relations.
@@professorohatvassar1274 much appreciate it 🙏 professor. I only had one phil. Class, as undergraduate IE many years ago, unexpected loss of my dearest, after 47 years, 6 months before my retirement has turned me to look for answers with respect to Philosophers, theologians chasing 2 main (at least for me, with respect to worst life disaster, as she was negligected for 13 days by her unethical surgeons!): existence of Evil and Hopes of eternal life ( hopes of seeing her)! After such event, the very same night, I ran across words of ( one of older great legends, Dallas Willard whom just similar to you, was an expert in philosophy ( chair at USC for 43 years)! His words were the impetus for a life changing event in my case. I am unable to write about it rather speak in private. I am grateful to be your new (101) student, first time viewed your lecture was 2 days ago. Started with a new notebook! This experience to my novice beliefs should help or partially repair the 2 conditions I never had in my entire life, Moral Injury and Major Depressive Disorder now I am inflicted with.
I believe I have a complete answer for this thought experiment. I am actually very curious to know if the landscape regarding this thought experiment has changed. I feel a far better way to characterize what is going on. One which is clear and explains very specifically what and how is going on. I can also explain how any system working under the same constraints could be described and would result in precisely the same type of problem caused by what is described in the Mary experiment.
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