I literally just realized the tweet said January because the topic was January 6th… wow Secret Scholars Merch coming soon to Patreon: www.patreon.com/Secret_Scholars
Its funny because Destiny is obsessed with Jan 6th so im surprised you didnt realize that. He ignores everything his side does but Jan 6th is his smoking gun.
It's okay Warren, January 6th lives rent free in the left's collective head. You can be forgiven for thinking there are more important things affecting our country.
Trent Horn used this against Destiny in a debate they had. Destiny affirmed and OK'ed Trent's question (paraphrasing): so if hypothetically it were possible to create a baby with no consciousness, you would be OK with people using that baby as a kind of sex doll?
Be honest, what really bothers you is the facts that you can't refute. You don't have to listen, just remember that facts don't care about your feelings.
Seriously, it’s refreshing to hear someone updating their beliefs to new information, it’s the only way to grow. See the other comments refusing to even engage with the subject matter bc they don’t like the person it’s coming from. That’s exactly what they are lambasting the left for with all this TDS stuff, this video even references these types of people “maybe it’s that his administration is doing unprecedented things that necessitate the extra harsh coverage” paraphrasing a bit but like seriously how do we reach these people. Hopefully teaching people to question and challenge their own beliefs will one day break them out of this mess. Trump will surround himself with more loyalists than last time and he will try to break the system again and with the recent Supreme Court ruling the safety nets that held last time will not hold again.
@@TheNiceGuy224 “maybe it’s that his administration is doing unprecedented things that necessitate the extra harsh coverage” But they didn't and aren't. And I'm really getting tired of the system blaming everything but itself. It's time the government got downsized and restricted hard. It would even be nice for some bureaucrats to face real justice. Too late now. Could have had this conversation 8 years ago but instead you forced people's hands and allowed authoritarianism on your side. The conversation now is just a desperate attempt now that you realize you're having to eat your leftovers for breakfast. Hey, Lincoln arrested journalists and newspaper editors. There's your standard and precedent.
@@zootsoot2006 nah I don't think he is. He seems to legitimately realize with factual evidence destiny gave him that trump isn't who conservatives think he is.
For me, I try to focus on policy and what direction I want the country to point to, I try not to focus on personality traits. Political parties want us to focus on personality, to vote in a reactionary, immediate and emotional way.
Most countries in Europe, like my own country, don't really have any political parties who want a free market. We really just have the choice between socialism, and slightly less socialism.
The "it's his own guy..." Comments drive me nuts. Do these people think presidents appoint best friends to all these positions? No. Trump didn't know half those people, he was told/recommended them by other people. Which is a mistake he said he will not make again. You are spot on Bud. I'm so glad I found your channel.
Having been a journalist for many years reporting on the union movement which is pretty much the Labor Party here in Aus, I can tell you most of the calls giving us dirt on politicians or union leaders came from their own office, often the next desk, as they wanted their job. It’s a dog eat dog world with very little loyalty. Your own people will be the first ones to turn on you. Also William you gave way too much ground to them from what I saw in this clip
I've said a similar thing to my Christian friend ( as a Christian myself ): If an Atheist is an expert at fixing cars, at doing a good job on my car, not overcharging me, and a Christian mechanic is mediocre at his job, not as good as the Atheist, doesn't overcharge, both are professional and courteous, do we HAVE to give the Christian our business? Everyone's free to choose ( who knows, maybe the Christian is going through hard times and needs the money, so support him, depending on how important the problem/repair is ), but why not give the Atheist my business?
Yeah, but in this instance the one who "fixes" your car is only able to get your business because he keeps attempting to sabotage the other mechanic's shop by stealing parts, lighting oil on fire, etc. Look I lean conservative, but once someone openly tries to circumvent the political process it's over for them. Send a clear message, don't vote for Trump, and get the party back on track. We'll have to eat shit for 4 years under Kamala oh well
@@matityaloran9157the past 3 years of Biden being if office proves your point exactly. They sell to the public the great things they will do and then completely screw us over when they get in.
Warren speaks with the same common sense that resonates with a lot of people. It has to do with being able to identify injustices and double standards.
3:33 "buying into an ideology". Jordan Peterson has mentioned that and called it Ideological Possession. It is a Jungian concept where Jung believed that ideas have people.
Yeah, we see more and more of it these days. Which of these labels do you fit into? Race, ethnicity, political leaning, religion, sexuality, culture, and so on. All these labels for people to hold dearly and associate as "me." It gets to a point where people mistake criticizing ideas as a personal attack on themselves. It's a damn shame.
@@FreekinEkin2 He’s certainly a divisive figure, but what makes him a middling academic? What did you intend that to mean? Is this a middling academic compared to other professors? No way he fits into the mold of an average professor nor the works of an average professor. Can a professional get any credit when most of their ideas are founded by already established truths? At what point can a professor get credit for any ideas? It is said the term predates Jung, yet the original source is not given. Who is this person that came up with the term then? If we cannot find a person, can we really say the term predated Jung?
And they went absolutely unhinged when Trump somehow got in the way of Hillary Clinton's coronation, when they thought he was easiest possible GOP candidate to beat.
Yes. They loved him and now hes not just a political enemy, but so many believe him to be literal Hitler who would enslave the entirety of Humanity if he could. And he already had 4 years as POTUS. These people are dumb as fuck.
@@yowamidesu she doesn’t need to be voted on!! What elementary understanding do so many people seem to have 😂😂 They are DELEGATES. Those are delegates WE voted for, and they are allowed to change who they will vote for (no votes required!!!! Bold and italicized). It’s part of our democracy
“What do we do?” It’s an easy answer but an uncomfortable one. Choose whoever represents your beliefs and trust in the checks and balances to keep them from going too far. Not a comfortable choice by far but a preferred one over violent revolution.
Is it though? What if i took a longer view than just tomorrow. What about 10 years from now, will it still be better? I don't think it will be. Judging on our last 40 years of "progress", I will be poorer, have less rights and less protections from an overreaching government. Sometimes we have to step backwards to continue stepping forwards.
I'm so tired of this phrase "Trump ego = bad" I 1000% disagree, it's a characteristic that's preferred in a leader, you need someone that is not going to submit to the other world powers. Sure if Trump was my personal friend I would say his ego is too much and unhealthy, however Trumps ego is literally a net positive in terms of him being the president of the US
You are absolutely correct. Most really strong leaders have big egos and they need to have big egos to make confident decisions. Further, it is extremely common for great leaders to have sociopathic qualities, which allow them to make better 'business' decisions than being tied up emotionally in breaking a few eggs (hurting some people for the greater good). There is ZERO doubt Trump loves people, loves to be adored by people, and wants people to be happy - because of him. Tons of employees have been asked about working for and with Trump and his family and nothing but rave reviews
Ego is not preferable confidence is. They are not the same thing. You can be confident and keep your ego in check. Too much ego means you don't see the world as it is you see it as it pertains to you and your view of yourself. Trump definitely has an ego problem. He is unable to set aside his opinion of himself in order to make rational decisions that benefit the people he is leading. Trump only cares about how he is viewed and not willing to put that aside for the benefit of his people. That is ego
Great video. My key take away is what you said at the end: People make mistakes, it doesn't exclude them from ever being able to participate in anything in the future.
My honest take: it could be waffle, but it's genuine. I honest to God believe we have got ourselves in this ridiculous situation in the West (I'm not in the US I'm English, but we have very similar political issues), that has been created due to the outright aggression shown to anyone who simply isn't sure about what they think. So many act as if it's just obvious what to think. "of course you vote left, the right are evil and only for the rich". "of course you don't vote trump, he's insane". "of course you're for all of the lgbtq+ causes, you aren't homophobic/transphobic are you". We've villainised being unsure, asking questions and genuinely been able to just say "I'm not sure I get it", because if you say to someone for example "I just don't understand the hate for Trump", you will quite literally get so much blowback from some that it will naturally make you feel like it just isn't worth speaking up again, no one wants to be shouted at. I'm not even speaking in hypotheticals, this very thing happened to me recently when I said I didn't understand the levels of hate for Trump, I got shouted at and at one point even got told I should shut up and that don't I know all trans people are afraid they'll be killed or that he will kill our kids. I had no idea what to do with that, I'm not trans, I know a couple of trans people but honestly they're not the ones who would shout me down, which is what makes it all even stupider. And so people don't talk, not openly. Oh sure, like minded people talk, but that's as far as it goes. You will openly explain your feelings to someone you know shares the same thoughts you do, but we don't grow or learn anywhere near as fast by only talking with people we are in lockstep with, but it has become so difficult to openly discuss things with opposition, and then they act surprised when they find out people don't understand their perspectives. It's sad, really sad. The older I get, the more I understand why older generations used to go by the idea that you can talk about anything with friends except for two things, religion and politics, they're off the table. Unfortunately I think for the good of all of us, that might have been the better way.
It's gotten to the point that neither 'side' can even vocalize a thought or idea without the other side seeing it as an existential threat to their existence. This is basically what happens before civil wars break out, because we have no resolution method for it. Or rather, any that we did have are quickly being attacked and assaulted and no one is willing to defend them. Like elections, where having any sort of security or audit is apparently evil.
I feel that last statement. If im to atate my values, it lands me center left, maybe democratic socalist. But to expand on these feelings, I dont feel so strongly about these values, where I want to convince anyone of them. I dont run into too many politically driven issues in day to day life. It seems to all be condensed to specific areas, maybe some schools, and online discourse. My daughter is in 7th grade, and there isnt any political influence being pushed on her or her students. We hear about special cases, but we dont hear about the apolitical atmosphere around us. People will often chose to make tjings political, and in most cases, im guessing its easy to ignore. Overall, if I have to recommend a political view to people, its to not let it influence so much of your thoughts and actions. People become obsessive, maybe out of boredom. But the cure is to focus on other things, like spending time with family and friends, and building a life for yourself personally to enjoy.
It's ok to not understand the hate for Trump, people shouldn't be yelling at you, but at the same time, you may not like some of the answers you get. Trump more or less set America back by a lot during his covid response, was incredibly divisive, hurt a lot of good people even when he had little to gain, and appears to be primarily motivated by his own personal gain.
@@jackeagleeye3453 why do you assume he "may not like some of the answers"? I wholeheartedly agree with what he says, and I'm doing the same - asking questions about stuff I'm not familiar with WITHOUT any expectations. I don't want the answer I'll like, but the one that can help me understand. "Liking it" isn't the requirement whatsoever.
i did. and id chalk up Warren to maybe being a little naïve about Destiny. id argue that warren is one of the most reasonable honest dudes on the internet. destiny is a snake, through and through.
It's quite common. Many people just read the title and comment. It's an oddity of human behavior. It's up there with buyers on facebook and craigslist asking "is this available" and nothing else.
@OccasionalLeader I don't know if you are joking or you missed Destiny saying all Trump supporters deserve in violence that happens to them. And saying that he wished Trump had died in the attempt. If you don't actually listen to Destiny, maybe you shouldn't be the one trying to defend him
The fact that I’ve yet to read a single comment from a person who even claims to have watched the video is kind of crazy, how can a creator with the mission of searching for truth have such a willfully blind audience. It’s honestly really depressing, I’m not saying you should agree with Destiny but you’re all just basically sticking your fingers in your ears to avoid any information you disagree with, it’s an insult to Warren’s whole project and it should be embarrassing to act like this.
They say that Warren is has gone off the deep end without actually looking into the facts themselves. I was someone who once was 100% for Trump during the 2016 election, but due to my pursuit of truth I’ve stumbled across information that shattered my view on Trump and made me realize he’s been lying to us this whole time.
I wish we could see what the minute mark of the video was when most of these comments were made. I’d bet most of the people didn’t watch the original stream, and made them within the first 2 minutes here.
You obviously are unaware that Destiny has promoted assassination of political enemies. Tiny is a coward who will flee the country when things kick off. He doesn't deserve a seat at anybodies table.
EDIT: my bad...i thought you were talking about Destiny's original stream with Warren and the panel. but you were talking about this video. ORIGINAL COMMENT: but to be fair, if you have to sit down and watch 6 hours of incredibly nuanced and detailed information being presented (and Destiny even said he didn't present everything he'd like to), which is basically akin to going down rabbit holes in order to prove your point like a conspiracy theorist...i mean, ain't nobody got time for that. i understand that this is a work in progress for Destiny, maybe we'll see a documentary from him one day that gets to the point. but at this point: is too much like a big conspiracy theory, something Destiny himself even hates.
It's kind of concerning just how many of your own viewers commented before watching your entire video and taking away the positive message found within. Great video Warren. Keep it up.
It'd probably do a lot of good for more people to sit through the entire focus group themselves. I can understand people not liking destiny, I can understand not liking debate bros in general. But it's hard to argue with the document he put together.
@@bloo9699 I think for most it’s the aura of bad faith he comes from. Destiny has specifically stated he thinks all right leaning people should just be deported. Anyone coming from that base hurts their credibility to a massive degree
@@demolisher-ng1dh Dave Rubin I don’t watch, I haven’t watched Tim in ages and Trump is not the highest on my moral compass. At least none of them have openly stated they’d want the opposition killed or deported on their entirety.
This is about a "going off the rails" that began over 60 years ago. Until you guys can properly frame the subject and understand what's really at stake, you're just filling hard drives with good intentions.
@@Carnivore69 I'm intrigued by your idea and how you found a specific time when things fell apart... Are you addressing the complex that prospers from conflict? I'm unsure how that can even begin to be addressed unfortunately. I think much the same as major pharmacies and companies. Governments and large corporations seem to like playing along to do questionable things. What sort of sources you find yourself often using?
Weird seeing all the anti destiny comments, didn't the stream go well? It was just a condensed document of evidence related to Jan 6 and some conversation on how the introduction of that knowledge changes perspective
Well, if you take a good minute to read the comments, they just speak in vagueries and ad hominem attacks: "hurr durr, he's a grifter, he has a big ego, he's a lunatic, he just argues in bad faith, I feel so bad that you had to listen to him for 6 hours straight!!!!" None of these guys actually watched the 6 hour panel, and I doubt they even watched this video itself. This level of demagoguery is so profitable for conservatives because it's more convenient for what are - let's be honest - the low IQ, low energy expenditure people that permeate the web. I know I'm resorting to the same tactic of attacking their character, but that's because they give you nothing of substance to work with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It is obvious. Destiny has always been a bad faith actor. What is also unsurprising, is the Tiny lubbers to crawl out of the wordwork to pretend this isn't the case. Though, their objections are always surface level. Despite the same charges being levied at Tiny for years, they have no interest in actually refuting any of it.
It’s nice to see your smile back. I would love to see you moderate well executed debates between two opposing people. Have it use the rules of debate. Have you ask thoughtful questions of both parties. You have a gift of asking questions to ponder. You bring calm. I would love to see you show the world what could be.
I'm at the eleven minute mark and it just points out that some people read books and others don't. Always remember there is knowledge, intelligence, wisdom, and critical thinking.
I found out the speed of light is 186,000 miles per second by watching DBZ. The idea knowledge is inherently more valuable when it comes from a book is ironically something a person who doesn't read very often would say.
I've recently learned that people try to substitute wisdom, knowledge, and intelligence with critical thinking without realizing its useless without the other 3.
@@BlaqAdam No you are incorrect. Wisdom, knowledge and intelligence are byproducts of critical thinking. We are all born into a state of ignorance, it is only through critical thinking that we can gain knowledge, ie put hand on hot stove and burn yourself, therefore do not put hand on stove. With Knowledge comes intelligence and through proper application of intelligence comes wisdom. We tend to shortcut a lot of this stuff by gaining knowledge through reading books and taking classes but this means that far too many people end up having absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever. They are TOLD what to think, and they think it. This is the origin of the NPC meme that is fairly popular right now. For example, people like Destiny say that J6 was an insurrection, but I look at it and ask a very simple question of "How?". How are unarmed men and women storming into the capital when all the senators and house reps have been removed going to lead to an overthrow of the country? Is the building itself the country? Does simply occupying it confer upon the occupants the power to control the country? These things matter. If my two year old tells me he has usurped my position as parent and is now in control, does that make it so? Do I need to physically subdue my 2 year old to regain my title or do I have to simply bow to his whims because he says so? Critical thinking allows us to understand that J6 as it happened could NEVER have actually resulted in the country being conquered because the people that were there that day had no actual means of subduing the system. They were at best very lightly armed and had no real end goal in mind that could wrench the seats of power away from those who owned it, because they didn't have a military backing or support from a significant enough proportion of the population in order to accomplish such a thing. And yet, midwits like Destiny will argue that the country teetered on the very brink of existence on J6 because a rowdy riotous crowd stormed the capital...that is precisely NOT an example of being able to think critically about a topic.
@@hughesjanusIt’s very sad to see these people be lied to by Trump and still 100% support him. If they’d only engage with the viewpoints they’re so heavily attacking maybe they’d see that Trump never cared about their issues.
Even if I feel like I've had issues with the more extreme shifts in Destiny lately, I'm happy to see this conversation take place. And you did amazing Warren ♥~ Back in 2002, when our 'populist' politician Pim Fortuyn got killed, and the whole country mourned. There was one message that remained from both him, and a famous comedian who also got killed around the same time. That despite the death of a great mind, we need to keep the dialogue going. We need to keep it open. And this represents that beautifully.
The clips you show give the impression that Destiny's research was from Jan 6th to present and acting like the media bias didn't really exist since prior to him being elected.
I used to listen to Destiny a decent amount over the years. He has always been a fast talking loudmouth, but he's only recently become so disingenuous. Either someone is paying him a lot of money for this, or he's got the worst case of TDS I have EVER. SEEN.
What's wrong with media bias? Are media not allowed to have an opinion? You understand just because someone has a bias doesn't make it wrong, right? If you are bias that US will win the Olympics at b-ball is that an incorrect or morally wrong position?
@@1faithchick7 I’d say the exact opposite, it seems he challenges positions and the answers given are not sufficient. When they start weaseling out he starts getting upset. This happens almost every debate with the exception of when he went up against Rob Nooer. Rob has been one of the few that has been able match him.
@@sevhoss Now you understand why so many people are loudly opposed to Destiny. It's difficult to remain calm when someone has shown themselves to be a consistent bad-faith actor.
Came from the Destiny video because at the very end you started touching on one of the conversations that I believe we need to have as a country. It was frustrating for a number of reasons, but here's what it made me think: I never see discussions that start with a specific callout of where the "other side" is, or could be, coming from. If we can approach discourse with the intent to understand, or if nothing else, acknowledge where the other person(s) is coming from, we can expect a far more fruitful outcome. I believe this would, over time, help to reduce some of the name calling and personal attacks that are so ubiquitous in political "discussions" right now. Now that report is incredibly convincing, to me. My parents, friends, colleagues, people I go to church with, etc., etc. could hear all of this and not find it convincing AT ALL. I was begrudgingly planning to vote Trump prior to hearing this, and frankly can't in good conscience do that now. So, I am truly stuck because I refuse to vote for Kamala Harris either. From my perspective, both sides are problematic to say the least. I want to see an honest conversation about what's driving this increasing extremism on both sides. I got frustrated at the end of Destiny's video because I could see the conversation being steered in an important direction. Anyway, if you read this, thanks for giving me something to think about, and I look forward to hearing your perspective on other topics.
hey, from the dgg community here.. i couldn't tell if you're one of us or part of Warren's community.. but i wanted to say i relate in my own way to your comment. wanted to say despite what you choose, I was very much in the same camp as you a while back, except i had tapped out as Apolitical b/c i couldn't understand this new progressive movement stuff.. and looking at DT, it feels like he's just taken a ton of OG Dem talking points like free speech and somehow made it into a conservative thing.. something it never was before as a Clinton Era Democrat.. which makes sense considering DT WAS a Dem for over a decade before.. bro's NOT Republican. (also, looking at this comment section, it doesn't even sound like people watched THIS video.. Warren deserves a better community with people to represent what he's trying to do by showing good faith by using critical thinking skills... not just look at what "team" someone's on and follow blindly). There's many comments here who are unfortunately lacking the critical thinking skills of trying to at least build some type of bridge to at least reach out and have a respectful dialogue to, at minimum, listen to the nuances that people like me, Traditional/Clinton era Democrats worry about. Many communities typically just adhom/clip chimp/make assumptions of what they think were about, which is so far from the truth, and annoying. I hate these Twitch Hamasabi dogsh* far left, echo chambered, "advocates" who have successfully proved the horseshoe theory to be true with anything America=BAD. I know that's NEVER going to be me, nor D. I just get nervous in the idea of fixing what isn't broken.. (our Constitution). I believe we live in the best country in the world, and I, too, find it a bit frustrating that we can't pull out a couple of genuine, good hearted Dem and a Rep who act actually Presidential, so we can be proud of our country once again. and btw, I, personally, felt much more conflicted when Biden was still running.. i do feel much better with Kamala, who, at least isnt Hillary (It makes me very gleefully petty if Kamala becomes the first female President over Hillary.. I just always found her so entitled and smug personally).. I'm likely voting Blue just for the sake of at least keeping things still afloat, but thats just my choice. I think there's a lot of healing America needs done to return back to some form of semblance of Patriotism we used to once have.. Cheers mate, sorry for the novel. lol dggL🤍
@@HaraQuinn thanks for the thoughtful, detailed response. I’d rather read a (not unhinged) wall of text than a single bad-faith inflammatory sentence. You mentioned you couldn’t tell which community I was from and that’s possibly a good thing in my opinion, depending on if it’s just because I made no sense at all 😂 anyway I’m arguably part of the community, I regularly consume his content from live to old debates. I find myself disagreeing with him somewhat regularly but it’s better than anywhere else I’ve found. The bottom line for me is that I can reasonably expect that he 1.) Has researched a given topic 2.) Is attempting to act in good faith and 3.) Wants this country to succeed.
Destiny is absolutely an activist and as much as he wants people to believe he is 100% logical, the dude is seriously driven by his emotions. The ultra charitable interpretation of the alternate slate of electors is the correct interpretation. The left mocks Trump and his allies for specious legal theories when that is all they have employed to prosecute him. Destiny mocks Trump supporters and condemns them to the fate of the Pennsylvania firefighter, while saying we’re all idiots for not accepting that Jan 6 was an insurrection. Meanwhile he gets bodied in a debate with Andrew Wilson and rage quits like a spoiled princess after a 5hr debate with Rob Noer. His autism has fooled you for intellect.
What is the ultra charitable interpretation of the alternate electors scheme, and why do you think it's the correct interpretation? I'm assuming you'll bring up something about the 1960 alternate electors in Hawaii or the election of 1876? I think given the fact that the "alternate" electors didn't meet many of the legal provisions required for a slate of electors, is it not safe to say that they were fake slates of electors?
@@Huge_Echman I accept Destiny’s definition, not his application. Unfortunately, it is so broad my grandma sneezing on a congressperson could be considered one. Therefore his meta criticism of anyone who disagrees with him is invalidated. He is a boob.
You’re really surprised that you get lumped in with Trump supporters, Warren? It’s because you express skepticism towards all the positions instead of acting like a good little drone. You are a free thinker, and you share that attribute with Trump. How dare you!
You’re absolutely right, iron5wolf. ... and if Trump is a “me thinker” as our buddy David says, he wouldn’t have upheaved his life to deal with all this b.s... he would’ve remained happy and content in his personal life. He’s also spent lots of his personal money and he doesn’t take his president salary.
Destiny asked for conservatives/those who lean right to join the call. Which is why Warren was invited. He then proceeded to hedge for Trump and criticize the left almost every time he spoke. And you are surprised why everyone thinks he's a trump supporter? Or did you just not watch the 6 hour thing?
I mean after watching all of it for 6 hrs, I wouldn't be surprised if why someone would lump him in with Trump supporters. He was defending Trump and his side for a while earlier on until later on.
It's really odd considering OP seemed to learn a lot during the stream and even said so here. Yet somehow everyone in comments didn't hear a single thing.
@@atetraxx I already saw the jan 6 committee go on for days without any counter argument offered. I don't need some half-assed partisan shill to rehash it for me also without any counter argument or examination. Really bored of progressive arguments going unchallenged.
Good video. I would like to see more conversations between you and Destiny in the future. You have quite different personalities and perspectives so it is interesting to watch you interact with each other.
I used to disagree with Destiny on practically everything, but I still had some level of respect for him. But respect dissipated into the atmosphere over the last few months.
There are far too many people who wish to be told the truth instead of discover the truth. There are far too many people who want to avoid questions and skepticism instead of scrutinize and verify. There are far too many people eager to believe the worst in others instead of doing the work needed to sort through the smear. There are far too many people who with to silence and dismiss instead of discuss and embrace reality over fiction. Until that changes, mouths will be more active than ears and spitefulness will guide hearts. Division is a tactic of tyrants and censorship is like a tyrants body armor.
You re absolutely right, some people do prefer being told what to do or think. Another thing I noticed, because of all this talk about this actually being a spiritual war, and you see many people turning to Christianity lately, is that people on the left side are usually not religious, and you know people like this tend to be more attached to material and mundane stuff, to the point of making a God out of anything they feel attraction for. You notice that very clearly with most of the democrats that are blindingly supporting Kamala without giving any reason. It's like people have made a God out of the democrat party
@@duarteleonardo8352 The left are religious, it's just a nontheistic faith. Their church is the church of government and their fruits are the ballot box.
I used to enjoy Destiny's content quite a bit. Despite disagreeing with many of his views I respected his debate skills, research, and found humor in his abrasive nature whether he's discussing with those on the right or the left. He seems to have changed in recent years though and I've found his content less enjoyable so I haven't watched him in quite some time.
Speaking of the "people make mistakes" thing at the end; you might be interested in how unwilling he was to concede that with Actual Justice Warrior on the same topic.
Gee, I wonder why AJW has already posted two apology videos because of that. Maybe because he's a scum liar that even after having his lies exposed so hard that he has to admit them in a video, he still won't admit he's pushing a false narrative?
What do you mean the democrats are not what they used to be? You see a lot of principled republicans trying to save the party from trump by supporting the democrats, you don't really see vice-versa. Comments like this that make me paranoid about bots. This is like a bug in the neuro network swapping republicans and democrats.
@@Huge_Echman principled republicans? lmao You mean neocon elite liars that have been screwing America for decades? Jesus you are brainwashed. Why do you think these people love Trump? Because they hate the so called republican you call principled that have been screwing America in cahoots with the Democrats.
That’s really interesting. I’m able to cognitively decouple my emotions from politics fairly well, so I don’t hold anything against you or your views, @tonysienzant6717. What’s nutty is that I feel the exact same way and likely would’ve made the exact same comment, but with the political parties entirely swapped. I’ve become incredibly disillusioned in the domain of politics in 2024 that I’m still at a loss for words, grappling with all the messaging in the online sphere. I voted for Trump in 2016. Again in 2020. I’m having a tough-incredibly, tough-time justifying giving him my vote again in 2024. What a crazy past few years it’s been for all of us. From C-19 to the rapid advances in AI (I develop fine-tuned LLMs for small businesses), I’m incredibly concerned about the mis- and disinformation campaigns currently rolling out, and it, really, barely hasn’t even started wrt leveraging AI bot farms in foreign nations. Good luck to you, genuinely, and to us all.
@@Huge_Echmanlook up democrats switching to the Republican Party , get out of your bubble , if it’s contrary to your belief and your thought is bot paranoia , well, go out and touch grass kiddo
Warren, I was exposed to you through Destiny's stream and I just want to thank you for providing your perspective and asking great questions. I appreciate you also being openminded enough to even entertain the conversation. I wish other comments would echo this sentiment rather than just post negative comments of someone they don't like.
Well, if he didn't wish me dead for the candidate I support I'd give him a listen. But in what world should I? That's not only insane yet it's not illegal to ask lawyers how the law works and what they can do. Not to mention I can stand in the middle and condem the rioters of j6 like I do for antifa that rioted during the blm/floyde protest. If you can't reason with me, why should I reason with you?
@@sirowthereaper he didin't wish anyones death. He just said i have no sympathy for trump/ putin supporters and made jokes like i'll buy you front row seats to a trump convention quite different from wishing death.
To those who are critical of Warren's audience and how they are not engaging with Destiny see from their point of view: Destiny has crossed the line and acted in a way that makes them no longer willing to engage with his arguments. They view him the same way some of you commentators view Trump; someone beyond the pale. And you can make all the arguments you want, but at the end of the day, he celebrated an innocent dude dying. And to this day he still defends that action. You call conservatives hypocrites all you want, but that doesn't change what Destiny did.
Omg i hate this line of thinking. Destiny being unhinged is not an excuse for people to be delusional. You CAN condemn Destiny's rhetoric and positions and simultaneously engage with his arguments. I'm tired of treating conservatives like triggered ret*rded children. These are grown as* adults.
@@loonasfirstdisciple One he was celebrating the killing of the firefighter. For example, he tweeted out a picture of the blood from the victim and joked that it was a few points down for Trump. You could argue that it was just a joke, but even in that circumstance, it is a morally bankrupt joke. More so, I think a guy who views Trump as a threat to America might be happy when Trump is down a few points. This points to that tweet as an obvious celebration of the victims' death. And a dude being at a political rally for a candidate you don't like does nullify his innocence. He is innocent because nothing he did warranted being shot dead. If this is the type of people Destiny want in his audience then fine by me, but when the day comes when the dog he taught to bite others bites him in the ass few we care about his suffering from it.
@@hughesjanus Call them any names they want, but that isn't going to change a thing. For if you want you're opposition to listen to you then acting in the manner that Destiny did isn't going to help. If you some how have the magical power to change human psychology then do that first, and then maybe more rightoids will be able to listen to Destiny. Until you gain such god-like power then learn that approaching your opposition entails being a cool and collective actor. And not acting like an unhinged man-child.
He didn't celebrate anything. He also didn't want to engage in an appeal to emotion for others. If we're talking about the same interview, he just noped out of that direction of discussion...
I really appracite the setniment you had at the end of your video. I want a strong REpublican and Democratic party of principled people making the best arguments they can, arguing against each other, getting passionate and emotion because of how much the each care and believe in what they are saying. But only when everyone cares about truth, facsts, our country, and agrees on what those things are or at least the process of discovering them. I think that 6 hours shows not just the many facts Destiny has compiled and the research he has done, but also his process and how he discovered them in the first place. I hope more people in the comments reflect on this last point you made and don't just tribalisitcally hate on Destiny for being part of another group than them.
Warren, I would avoid giving Destiny any attention. He is a sociopath. Please avoid the temptation of being on a platform merely for attention grabbing and attempting to be relevant. You have arrived at this point by filling a void: transparent and honest reactions to current events without bias.
Destiny doesn't care about truth. He simply likes to argue and be disagreeable for the sake of it...he provides no solutions, just spews nonsense. I can't believe you had to spend 6hrs with him, my worst nightmare.
The problem isn't that he doesn't provide solutions, after all the first step to finding a solution is first realizing that there is a problem and what that problem looks like. The issue is that the premises that are foundational to his cosmovision are entirely incorrect and so he has come up with this very distorted view of reality which leads him to the wrong conclusions about 90% of the time.
@@willl676 yep. "COVID most likely came from a wet market" - Destiny. The wiki warrior's vision is clouded by outcome first, then he works backwards to find the conclusion inline with his ideology. He's not a free thinker and as such his conclusions will only be right at the rate of a broken clock (with a variable for issues where he hasn't yet been biased, which isn't most meaningful issues).
I absolutely love how kind and civil you are.. it’s a breath of fresh air from listening to all these people scream at each other and call each other names. You are an amazing person. You are going to help people actually think for themselves instead of being stuck in an echo chamber, because You’ve already helped me.
Just do your best - dont be too attached to the outcome. Do the right thing - and thats all you can do. People have to decide for themselves. Freedom means the freedom to choose or think incorrectly - as long as it doesnt harm others.
Warren, I really admire your cool-headed and thoughtful style of discourse. It is an unhappy admission in that it’s an uncommon breath of fresh air. I have trouble with the normality of both sides constantly using ad hominem attacks to drive discourse.
The more I listen to Destiny on this subject, the more I realize he actually believes what he's saying and doing. I've strongly criticized him for being bad faith here, but no, he actually does believe it. He's wrong on so many points, but he's being earnest. However, I can't ignore how he behaved so intentionally recently. This cannot be characterized as "mistakes." He lashed out with malice. It's clear that this recent stream and pivot is due to him taking personal time to reflect on his behavior. But your closing point is also why I continue to follow him and his content.
Warren, just please take your time with politics. Destiny loves to SOUND confident even when he is wrong just like many of these political commentators like him. He may seem like he is in good faith but remember the track record of Destiny and the disgusting stuff he says. Please consider this, do not start letting Destiny of all people get you roped into his bad faith arguments just cause he is trying to pass as centrist. He is just doing this cause he screwed up with such a idiotic and disgusting take on the Trump shooter that he is honestly bordering on irredeemable. Yes these discussions are good, but do not fall for his BS, do your own research on it and take what Destiny says with a grain of salt.
Did you listen to Destiny’s 6hr Jan6 compilation? Did you go through the PowerPoint he made? If so, how can you say he’s lying, when it is start to finish what happened? He provides evidence with every conviction he states. Can your side say the same? (biiggggg fat no)
He’s essentially unredeemable to me. He had an entire 3 hour conversation with sneako trying to explain how you shouldn’t form your opinions or views based on opposing others, then justifies his gross statements by doing the same and letting his actions be dictated by those he claims to find reprehensible. I think he’s either a grifter or at best a hypocrite.
Are you seriously trying to tell him to not listen to the facts and information that he was presented with because of who presented it? It was a stream based purely around facts and information. That extensive "warning" not addressing the substance of the discussion is just bad faith. You're telling a man to weigh facts less based on who delivered them.
@@CordaroBlu if you read my comment I never told him what he should do, I said what I thought. That seems like pretty bad faith. My point was that his moral inconsistency drove me away from listening to him, I wasn’t saying anything about his views in the conversation. I can separate the art from the artist just like I can admire good things a person says or does, even if they wrong. Pretty aggressive insinuations you had. That kind of judgmental attitude, where your mind is made up, is the exact kind of thing that was being discussed in this video.
He's definitely not trying to pass as a centrist. He´s been openly criticizing centrists saying that assuming the centrist position to come off as objective and unbiased doesn´t automatically make you a critical thinker. Sometimes, one side is right and the other is wrong.
There is nothing genuine about Destiny beyond Destiny's love of Destiny. He is an intelligent con artist through and through. A real conversation would occur when you have diversity of thought and freedom of expression. Destiny falls squarely on his face every single time he has participated in those conversation because his points sound great in his echo chamber but fall apart as soon as they see the cleansing light of day.
As interested as I am in learning about what sort of facts and arguments this stream might have presented, there's no possible way I'm listening to destiny for 6h. If anyone makes a
The entire thing was the important bits, that is the main problem, Destiny cut out a ton of his notes and other important information and it still took 6hours
@@AntiTheBird Doesn't really matter. If you truly want to educate someone who stands in opposition to you the first hurdle you need to clear is to convince them to give you a chance. A 6h lecture, no matter how concise and filled with absolutely critical information is never going to do that. So you have to have some discipline and figure out what amounts to the most important of all your important information that will build a foundational layer of trust in you and your information. Then if you want to you can put up a whole series of lectures, but you got to focus and you have to create an introduction that people are willing to hear.
Those of you leaving pointless negative comments towards Destiny contribute to the problem of us not talking to each other and communicating different ideas, sharing facts we wouldn't otherwise had known about if it wasnt for people like Destiny. He's spent countless hours and many months researching this. You aren't reflective of Warren or what he stands for if you're leaving comments like this. Spend less time being angry and judgemental, more time listening.
Better employment, more oil production than ever, closer ties to international allies, investment in infrastructure and future products via chips act, what's not to like?
So true! More jobs have been created, record high stock market a.k.a my retirement portfolio, more funding for roads and infrastructure American infrastructure Act, grids are being developed for A.I and funded by the federal govt, semi-conductor production being moved from over seas to here with the CHIPS act, crime lower under this administration, insulin for my aunt is lower because she qualifies under Medicaid. The only failure was not securing the bi-partisan border bill that was made BY A REPUBLICAN, that Trump told republicans to shoot it down because it "would help Biden get re-elected." This whole narrative of 4 years being poor is bullshit. America is prospering by almost every metric. Republicans shot themselves in the foot with the border and blamed it on dems... hell Biden had to sign executive orders to cap the border entries because of Republicans failing to pass THEIR OWN bill because of Trump. I'll take these 4 years compared to the lack laster economy even before COVID.
Wow, this comment section is negative. I thought the discussion was really cool. I liked how he brought on different people that aren't centrists but also not partisan then very clearly laid out the information in a way that a layman like me could understand and encourage the people who were less knowledgeable on the call to ask questions which helped me understand what was going on. It was kind of like presenting his argument to a jury. It would be interesting to see this format become more common.
Big congrats on how much you have grown your channel since getting let go of your old job. Hopefully this is a much more fulfilling and happy life even due to that negative moment that led to this!!
I understand that it’s important to be rational and reasonable on these sorts of topics, but there’s something about Destiny, Jan 6, and all the rhetoric around it that really irks me. I’m willing to admit that it is most likely an irrational agitation on my end, but it’s something I can’t ignore. It’s like an instinctual revulsion. It’s like something deep within me knows that there is something tremendously wrong here but it lacks the ability to articulate itself, to lower itself into a more grounded level. It’s like solving a maze by starting from the end point and working your way to the start when everyone else (Destiny and the like) is trying to solve it from start to finish, which I guess is the dilemma of pure intuition. Maybe I’m totally in the wrong to be feeling this way, maybe not, but it’s there, grounded in something instinctually moralistic rather than intellectual, and it’s not so easily swept aside in the face of rational argument.
You are in the wrong. What a long and useless way to say Idk anything about J6 but since my side looked bad, Im not going to look into it and just assume the other side is wrong.
I am repulsed by it as well and there's no mystery as to why in my case. Innocent people spent years in prison over Jan 6. Anybody who would do that over a political disagreement is inhumane and being repulsed by them is a proper ethical reaction.
We are not computers/pure logic machines. We have intuitions because they have served us well in the past. If you have a strong innate sense telling you that something nefarious is going on with this guy, or anyone for that matter, you should listen to it.
@@paulares292 Those intuitions have served us well to not get eaten in the jungle. Those intuitions are in no way designed to get to the truth of a matter. In fact those intuitions and the hermeneutics derived from them often stand in the way of getting to the bottom of truth claims. "Abandon reason, believe what you want to be true" Is all i read in your comment. What a stupid thing to say...
Your eloquence and courage entering these polarizing conversations is so admirable. I hope to learn and express truth in this informed but digestible way.
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Destiny celebrated the death of an innocent man and then condemned and attacked anyone with an ounce of commonsense that called him out on it. He's a grifter and he knows he will never amount to anything of value beyond that. He may have intellect but he doesn't have a soul.
all the people that “called him out” are hypocrites, take dave rubbin for example, he made several hammer jokes, but thinks he has ground to stand on the issue.
@@tinygrove7623 nope. Not hypocritical. These are vastly different circumstances and you're over generalizing. There is no moral high ground when are you are celebrating the death of an innocent man who was protecting his family.
@@mistere5857 While you can say that Destiny was wrong for what he said about the Trump assassination attempt you should at least also say when right wing people do something wrong in a similar nature. That’s why political topic are so annoying today, both sides don’t even want to acknowledge the wrong stuff on their side. Your side is not perfect while the other one is pure evil, if it was the case nobody would be on the left lol.
Im noticing that the comments here rely almost purely on character attacks towards destiny and no attacks of the claims or facts of the argument. I would figure there would be more honesty from an enlightened audience
People would address Destiny’s arguments extra he doesn’t make any. He is a complete moron. His thoughts don’t even amount to being wrong. He is unworthy of any attention
esp when you go to destiny's comments and see how actually engaged dgg are in their comments and always, ALWAYS being grateful for, even when we already knew Warren had made that weird cold/body language reading abt Destiny. We still were happy he came on and gave 6 hours to actually listen to both sides. you don't have to be "center" to listen to both sides.. that's what these clowns don't get. how else has destiny been cookin debates for a decade as a democrat? b/c he goes out of his way to not just study the democratic claims.. but also the republicans with his famed quote on "you have to be able to steel man the other side better then they can". all these comments show 0 critical thinking and just adhomming Destiny like it's something new, acting like Hamasabi "my journalism comes from 14 tabs of tweets open". Some are even going as low as reaching for Melina. What kinda "open mind" "free thinking" community is this? DGG is more open minded b/c we actually understand and don't auto discriminate based on "tweets" and actually watch the actual content and are part of researching. Jesus, i love America as much as Destiny and the Daliban does, but JC, so many have dropped so many IQ points in just communicating in good faith on a free website FULL of actual knowledge. crazy dggL💙 Warren, Thank you again for spending your time with us. And i hope you know you're always invited to jump on. don't be a stranger.
Destiny is pretty fucken cool. I don't agree with all of his takes but he does great research and preparation for debates/conversations and always lays out a cogent thought process.
I lost a ton of respect for Destiny when he cheered an innocent man dying when they attempted to assassinate Trump. I do believe we need to actually have conversations instead of just shouting at the opposition but I have a hard time given even a touch of respect to a man who thinks people dying on the other side is "good."
@@LiiRAE. Destiny is on video saying "Where'd it happen? Pennsylvania?"... and then going into a half-mumbled rant about swing state voters. You might give him the charitable interpretation there, but most people, after seeing his tweet storm that followed, including multiple messages categorizing the event as +1 in favor to Biden's poll numbers (as in a -1 to Trump's), will not.
@@pscully608 no one is denying he wasn't mocking his death. But that's neither cheering nor wishing death on trump supporters like every comment on this channel keeps saying.
@@Buksyuri He later stated, in no uncertain terms, that he was incapable of feeling any form of empathy towards anyone who would willingly go to a Trump rally, as whatever might happen to such a person could only be considered karma. He said, without directly saying it, that he believes anyone who goes to a Trump rally deserves whatever violence might end up enacted upon them, after a high profile incident that ended up with one such person losing their life. There is more evidence for Destiny wishing the death of Trump supporters than there is that Trump incited an insurrection. PS: You might notice I purposely avoided using "supporter" until the last line. He made no distinction between supporters and protesters in his comments.
I feel your conflict. I know this video was posted a while ago, but I'm just now catching up on a lot of your posts. I don't know if you'll see this comment but I hope you do. I'm right there with you. I'm so conflicted over all of this. I have liberal friends and conservative friends. I have family on both sides as well. And I feel so trapped in the middle and I have no idea what to do, who to believe and where to turn. I've literally been feeling sick to my stomach for months and I don't see that going away anytime soon...
I watched between four and five hours of it and I really didn’t feel like there was the diversity of thought on that panel and you were staying quiet. And so I’m really grateful to hear this personal synopsis from you. I kinda wish someone would do a destinyesque manifesto but from the other side. There were so many “facts” that he used that were from sources that there are legitimate arguments against.
Looks like Destiny put on his sheep's clothing for you. I'm sure if you had a firmer stance rather than seeking his point of view or knowledge, then this would've gone way worse. It's easy to stay calm when you aren't being challenged.
@@WhopperCheeseDota Yes it's just tiny rehashing the Jan 6 committee, once again without any serious pushback or critical examination. Warren is a moderate voice, and reasonable, but he's not exactly the person to play devil's advocate to tiny's position and tiny would lose his shit quick.
@@WhopperCheeseDota You do realize he's a chamelion? The internet put him in check after his reaction with the shooting, and so you can't expect to see him explode as he normally does.
I ended out more confuse than anything, you sounded like looking for clarity and open minded people but they sounded like they have a mind set already with the exception of the bottom right guy, I tried to be openminded but sound it more like confirmation bias than a bunch of guys trying to discover the truth
Yup, it's really pathetic to see. "But he has such FLAWS" Bro, Kamala factually has: Used people for slavery Kept people in prison for nonviolent crimes beyond their sentences Withheld potentially exonerating evidence from cases Slept her way up the chain Lied about her origins and history This is the person you want to even debate trusting over the guy who... checks notes... has an ego? And you want to be taken seriously as a scholar? This is the sort of person who can be convinced of all sorts of stupid shit... case in point: this video.
That is definitely the case here. I'm not sure how the conversation was a "breath of fresh air". It is just recycling their script to a new possible recruit.
If someone has 6 hours of anything that they did a deep dive into, they're likely to have drawn certain conclusions about what they studied on. You're just saying I'm gonna listen to the neutral sounding guy, who didn't research into the subject. How is that process better?
the only semi regular destiny person in this panel was willymac, the one weird dude in the bottom most of the time. The others aren't regulars, nic i don't think does much other than exist in a similar vein, turkeytom is a regular destiny show though he's a shitposter, so. Act man has literally never interacted with destiny before this stream. warren showed up completely last minute not expecting anything, which was interesting.
@@froniccruxis1049 not a lie, he tweeted it "In December 2022, while continuing to push the false claim that he lost the 2020 election due to widespread voter fraud, Trump suggested the "termination of all rules...even those found in the Constitution" was merited"
@@froniccruxis1049 It's an exaggeration "A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution." - from Truth Social post by Trump
I never knew who he was until about 2 months ago. I've heard him in discussions about 4-5 times. My gut gave me an immediate dislike and distaste towards him from the beginning. The adjective that came to my mind was "malevolent".
@@jemmajane5032 As I understand it, ambidex-ryt is making a blanket criticism of an entire half of the population which disagrees with him. "facts don't care about your feelings" is a phrase that Ben Shapiro is famous or notorious (take your pick) for. He is the cofounder of a conservative news network and the "crowd" following this statement is probably just meaning anyone who is conservative.
@@Elrog3 Which is why I didn't bother responding to his comment. He heard a catchy phrase, (whose reasoning I agree with). However he cannot apply it to every situation just because he thinks it sounds intelligent or serves his train of thought. In my comment I refer to "gut feeling" as the evolved sense which humans developed and (should) rely on as a means of survival, to know when to be wary/flee/fight though, hopefully, when sizing people up they don't freeze.
Not surprising, no one would watch something that long especially if it's against what they believe. It just creates some sort of conflict within them like how you're indoctrinated in to something and you're finding something that justifies the ideals indoctrinated in to you.
Destiny lost a lot of credibility when he was insanely cruel to the firefighter who died in Penn. I can't imagine being so irrational cruel to even someone I disliked let alone a complete stranger.
He lost most of his credibility well before that. He went on many dating pod casts bragging about how great polyamorous relationships are & that there's no worry of your partner leaving you, only to have his partner leave him shortly after.
"Where are these Palestinians going to live when the war is over? So many of their homes are being destroyed," Piers Morgan replied to the post by Sky News on October 28, 2023. Comperatore replied to Morgan's post by saying, "They'll get over it. The Japanese did." Sounds like a pos to me.
Honestly, he didn't need any credibility to make the case that Trump insurrected the government. He sourced literally everything, and showed the full context of every statement. Even Warren agreed at the end of the conversation that Trump tried to insurrect the government, and that he lied about voter fraud that would have overturned the election.
you dont even know the evidence,you havent even tried to understand the evidence cos the cognitive dissonance would be to strong an make you feel weird,your in a cult man
Jeez if only there were specific legal documents and challenges that you could read to understand this stuff. To bad no one in the legal system ever writes anything down. Btw it wasn't a law that was changed it was an interpretation of a law that was ruled inaccurate and therefore illegal. Imo you should be glad that an illegal way to reject ballots (not a specific law irrc) was ruled so before an election. I guess maybe only people who care about free and fair elections would be tho: maybe that doesn't include you.
It's really interesting to see how Destiny interacts with you vs many other debate opponents. You can tell he senses the danger of being too partisan and holds himself back. Normally he is the polar opposite of this. I think it is because he recognizes that he can't get away with his usual rhetoric. I'm a big fan and love how you are honest in debate. Keep up the good work. You are one of my favorite youtubers.
You should have more conversations with him! These sort of non-combative conversations are really refreshing and a good way to fully understand each side.
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I literally just realized the tweet said January because the topic was January 6th… wow
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How'd you miss that? Considering the context, I would have just assumed at this point. 😅
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Its funny because Destiny is obsessed with Jan 6th so im surprised you didnt realize that. He ignores everything his side does but Jan 6th is his smoking gun.
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I'm voting for Putin... cheers!
It's okay Warren, January 6th lives rent free in the left's collective head. You can be forgiven for thinking there are more important things affecting our country.
"If you could predict what I thought on every single topic, that just means I'm buying into an ideology".
Absolutely true!
Trent Horn used this against Destiny in a debate they had. Destiny affirmed and OK'ed Trent's question (paraphrasing): so if hypothetically it were possible to create a baby with no consciousness, you would be OK with people using that baby as a kind of sex doll?
Listening to Destiny for 6 hours has to violate some Geneva Convention or something.
Exactly 😅❤
@@wiserthanwise54 He's such a jerk
"Facts don't care about your feelings" crowd getting real upset when Destiny brings up facts.
Geneva Convention rules against torture have been violated with the presence of Destiny among the participants.
Be honest, what really bothers you is the facts that you can't refute. You don't have to listen, just remember that facts don't care about your feelings.
There isn't even any gameplay footage, how are we supposed to believe he spent 6 hours playing Destiny?
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I'm glad your voice is growing, Warren. Teaching people how to critically think is truly something best taught by example. You're doing a great job.
Seriously, it’s refreshing to hear someone updating their beliefs to new information, it’s the only way to grow. See the other comments refusing to even engage with the subject matter bc they don’t like the person it’s coming from. That’s exactly what they are lambasting the left for with all this TDS stuff, this video even references these types of people “maybe it’s that his administration is doing unprecedented things that necessitate the extra harsh coverage” paraphrasing a bit but like seriously how do we reach these people. Hopefully teaching people to question and challenge their own beliefs will one day break them out of this mess. Trump will surround himself with more loyalists than last time and he will try to break the system again and with the recent Supreme Court ruling the safety nets that held last time will not hold again.
@@TheNiceGuy224 “maybe it’s that his administration is doing unprecedented things that necessitate the extra harsh coverage”
But they didn't and aren't. And I'm really getting tired of the system blaming everything but itself. It's time the government got downsized and restricted hard. It would even be nice for some bureaucrats to face real justice.
Too late now. Could have had this conversation 8 years ago but instead you forced people's hands and allowed authoritarianism on your side.
The conversation now is just a desperate attempt now that you realize you're having to eat your leftovers for breakfast.
Hey, Lincoln arrested journalists and newspaper editors. There's your standard and precedent.
@@fancygiraffe3340you should watch that stream man. The unprecedented things are pretty wild and there are recipes for everything
You know this is all bulls**t yeah? It's all an act. He's mocking this whole space.
@@zootsoot2006 nah I don't think he is. He seems to legitimately realize with factual evidence destiny gave him that trump isn't who conservatives think he is.
There are so many politically homeless people because of the political polarization, noy just in the the USA, but in the west in general
I've been forced into homelessness by the left
For me, I try to focus on policy and what direction I want the country to point to, I try not to focus on personality traits. Political parties want us to focus on personality, to vote in a reactionary, immediate and emotional way.
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That seems reasonable, just keep your eyes open on deception and corruption. They will promise the moon if no one checks.
Most countries in Europe, like my own country, don't really have any political parties who want a free market. We really just have the choice between socialism, and slightly less socialism.
@@LUR1FAX thats true.. I am from portugal and confirme that. where you from?
The "it's his own guy..." Comments drive me nuts. Do these people think presidents appoint best friends to all these positions? No. Trump didn't know half those people, he was told/recommended them by other people. Which is a mistake he said he will not make again.
You are spot on Bud. I'm so glad I found your channel.
Having been a journalist for many years reporting on the union movement which is pretty much the Labor Party here in Aus, I can tell you most of the calls giving us dirt on politicians or union leaders came from their own office, often the next desk, as they wanted their job. It’s a dog eat dog world with very little loyalty. Your own people will be the first ones to turn on you. Also William you gave way too much ground to them from what I saw in this clip
Warren you’re a legend lad. Fair play
I don’t care much about my mechanics personal life. Especially if there is only two in town.
I want the one that’s going to fix the car.
You don’t want one who will break certain parts of your car to get away with charging you even more to fix it.
I've said a similar thing to my Christian friend ( as a Christian myself ): If an Atheist is an expert at fixing cars, at doing a good job on my car, not overcharging me, and a Christian mechanic is mediocre at his job, not as good as the Atheist, doesn't overcharge, both are professional and courteous, do we HAVE to give the Christian our business? Everyone's free to choose ( who knows, maybe the Christian is going through hard times and needs the money, so support him, depending on how important the problem/repair is ), but why not give the Atheist my business?
Yeah, but in this instance the one who "fixes" your car is only able to get your business because he keeps attempting to sabotage the other mechanic's shop by stealing parts, lighting oil on fire, etc. Look I lean conservative, but once someone openly tries to circumvent the political process it's over for them. Send a clear message, don't vote for Trump, and get the party back on track. We'll have to eat shit for 4 years under Kamala oh well
@@matityaloran9157 Good thing that never happened.
@@matityaloran9157the past 3 years of Biden being if office proves your point exactly. They sell to the public the great things they will do and then completely screw us over when they get in.
Warren speaks with the same common sense that resonates with a lot of people. It has to do with being able to identify injustices and double standards.
3:33 "buying into an ideology". Jordan Peterson has mentioned that and called it Ideological Possession. It is a Jungian concept where Jung believed that ideas have people.
It's the inability to separate beliefs from one's ego, being wrong is perceived as a direct attack on the ego
Yeah, we see more and more of it these days. Which of these labels do you fit into? Race, ethnicity, political leaning, religion, sexuality, culture, and so on. All these labels for people to hold dearly and associate as "me." It gets to a point where people mistake criticizing ideas as a personal attack on themselves. It's a damn shame.
This term predates Jung... Giving Peterson credit for any ideas when he's a very middling academic is social media brained
@@FreekinEkin2 He’s certainly a divisive figure, but what makes him a middling academic? What did you intend that to mean? Is this a middling academic compared to other professors? No way he fits into the mold of an average professor nor the works of an average professor.
Can a professional get any credit when most of their ideas are founded by already established truths? At what point can a professor get credit for any ideas? It is said the term predates Jung, yet the original source is not given. Who is this person that came up with the term then? If we cannot find a person, can we really say the term predated Jung?
Wow, thank you.
I wish more people would bring up that the left loved Trump until he said he was running for President as a Republican. It all changed overnight.
And they went absolutely unhinged when Trump somehow got in the way of Hillary Clinton's coronation, when they thought he was easiest possible GOP candidate to beat.
Just like everybody hated Kamala until she was basically chosen as the Democratic candidate without anyone really voting for it.
They propped him up at first thinking he'd sabotage the Rep Party. It backfired hilariously.
Yes. They loved him and now hes not just a political enemy, but so many believe him to be literal Hitler who would enslave the entirety of Humanity if he could. And he already had 4 years as POTUS. These people are dumb as fuck.
@@yowamidesu she doesn’t need to be voted on!! What elementary understanding do so many people seem to have 😂😂
They are DELEGATES. Those are delegates WE voted for, and they are allowed to change who they will vote for (no votes required!!!! Bold and italicized). It’s part of our democracy
“What do we do?” It’s an easy answer but an uncomfortable one. Choose whoever represents your beliefs and trust in the checks and balances to keep them from going too far. Not a comfortable choice by far but a preferred one over violent revolution.
Is it though? What if i took a longer view than just tomorrow. What about 10 years from now, will it still be better? I don't think it will be. Judging on our last 40 years of "progress", I will be poorer, have less rights and less protections from an overreaching government. Sometimes we have to step backwards to continue stepping forwards.
I'm so tired of this phrase "Trump ego = bad"
I 1000% disagree, it's a characteristic that's preferred in a leader, you need someone that is not going to submit to the other world powers.
Sure if Trump was my personal friend I would say his ego is too much and unhealthy, however Trumps ego is literally a net positive in terms of him being the president of the US
You are absolutely correct. Most really strong leaders have big egos and they need to have big egos to make confident decisions. Further, it is extremely common for great leaders to have sociopathic qualities, which allow them to make better 'business' decisions than being tied up emotionally in breaking a few eggs (hurting some people for the greater good). There is ZERO doubt Trump loves people, loves to be adored by people, and wants people to be happy - because of him. Tons of employees have been asked about working for and with Trump and his family and nothing but rave reviews
Ego is not preferable confidence is. They are not the same thing. You can be confident and keep your ego in check. Too much ego means you don't see the world as it is you see it as it pertains to you and your view of yourself. Trump definitely has an ego problem. He is unable to set aside his opinion of himself in order to make rational decisions that benefit the people he is leading. Trump only cares about how he is viewed and not willing to put that aside for the benefit of his people. That is ego
I'm glad this was a calm, rational conversation
I watched the whole focus group panel, was fascinating. Props to Warren for taking part.
Your group conducted a much calmer interview:discussion than I've heard in many platforms, Warren! Bravo!👏🏽👏🏽
Great video. My key take away is what you said at the end:
People make mistakes, it doesn't exclude them from ever being able to participate in anything in the future.
My honest take: it could be waffle, but it's genuine. I honest to God believe we have got ourselves in this ridiculous situation in the West (I'm not in the US I'm English, but we have very similar political issues), that has been created due to the outright aggression shown to anyone who simply isn't sure about what they think. So many act as if it's just obvious what to think. "of course you vote left, the right are evil and only for the rich". "of course you don't vote trump, he's insane". "of course you're for all of the lgbtq+ causes, you aren't homophobic/transphobic are you". We've villainised being unsure, asking questions and genuinely been able to just say "I'm not sure I get it", because if you say to someone for example "I just don't understand the hate for Trump", you will quite literally get so much blowback from some that it will naturally make you feel like it just isn't worth speaking up again, no one wants to be shouted at. I'm not even speaking in hypotheticals, this very thing happened to me recently when I said I didn't understand the levels of hate for Trump, I got shouted at and at one point even got told I should shut up and that don't I know all trans people are afraid they'll be killed or that he will kill our kids. I had no idea what to do with that, I'm not trans, I know a couple of trans people but honestly they're not the ones who would shout me down, which is what makes it all even stupider.
And so people don't talk, not openly. Oh sure, like minded people talk, but that's as far as it goes. You will openly explain your feelings to someone you know shares the same thoughts you do, but we don't grow or learn anywhere near as fast by only talking with people we are in lockstep with, but it has become so difficult to openly discuss things with opposition, and then they act surprised when they find out people don't understand their perspectives. It's sad, really sad. The older I get, the more I understand why older generations used to go by the idea that you can talk about anything with friends except for two things, religion and politics, they're off the table. Unfortunately I think for the good of all of us, that might have been the better way.
It's gotten to the point that neither 'side' can even vocalize a thought or idea without the other side seeing it as an existential threat to their existence.
This is basically what happens before civil wars break out, because we have no resolution method for it. Or rather, any that we did have are quickly being attacked and assaulted and no one is willing to defend them. Like elections, where having any sort of security or audit is apparently evil.
"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."
YB Yeats, The Second Coming (1919)
I feel that last statement. If im to atate my values, it lands me center left, maybe democratic socalist. But to expand on these feelings, I dont feel so strongly about these values, where I want to convince anyone of them. I dont run into too many politically driven issues in day to day life. It seems to all be condensed to specific areas, maybe some schools, and online discourse. My daughter is in 7th grade, and there isnt any political influence being pushed on her or her students. We hear about special cases, but we dont hear about the apolitical atmosphere around us. People will often chose to make tjings political, and in most cases, im guessing its easy to ignore. Overall, if I have to recommend a political view to people, its to not let it influence so much of your thoughts and actions. People become obsessive, maybe out of boredom. But the cure is to focus on other things, like spending time with family and friends, and building a life for yourself personally to enjoy.
It's ok to not understand the hate for Trump, people shouldn't be yelling at you, but at the same time, you may not like some of the answers you get. Trump more or less set America back by a lot during his covid response, was incredibly divisive, hurt a lot of good people even when he had little to gain, and appears to be primarily motivated by his own personal gain.
@@jackeagleeye3453 why do you assume he "may not like some of the answers"?
I wholeheartedly agree with what he says, and I'm doing the same - asking questions about stuff I'm not familiar with WITHOUT any expectations. I don't want the answer I'll like, but the one that can help me understand. "Liking it" isn't the requirement whatsoever.
Warren, I found your page only a month ago and I’m hooked on your videos. Brilliant, articulate and humble! Keep it up
Looking at the comments here, not sure how many of you watched this video from Warren. XD lol
i did. and id chalk up Warren to maybe being a little naïve about Destiny.
id argue that warren is one of the most reasonable honest dudes on the internet.
destiny is a snake, through and through.
It's quite common. Many people just read the title and comment. It's an oddity of human behavior. It's up there with buyers on facebook and craigslist asking "is this available" and nothing else.
@@Sweatersith Warren says nice things, that should instantly erase Destiny advocating violence against 75mil people
@OccasionalLeader I don't know if you are joking or you missed Destiny saying all Trump supporters deserve in violence that happens to them. And saying that he wished Trump had died in the attempt. If you don't actually listen to Destiny, maybe you shouldn't be the one trying to defend him
@OccasionalLeader His twitter?
Are you dumb?
The fact that I’ve yet to read a single comment from a person who even claims to have watched the video is kind of crazy, how can a creator with the mission of searching for truth have such a willfully blind audience. It’s honestly really depressing, I’m not saying you should agree with Destiny but you’re all just basically sticking your fingers in your ears to avoid any information you disagree with, it’s an insult to Warren’s whole project and it should be embarrassing to act like this.
They say that Warren is has gone off the deep end without actually looking into the facts themselves. I was someone who once was 100% for Trump during the 2016 election, but due to my pursuit of truth I’ve stumbled across information that shattered my view on Trump and made me realize he’s been lying to us this whole time.
I wish we could see what the minute mark of the video was when most of these comments were made. I’d bet most of the people didn’t watch the original stream, and made them within the first 2 minutes here.
@@reformedbroski8988 "Pursuit of truth" and "stumbled across information" hahaha ok
You obviously are unaware that Destiny has promoted assassination of political enemies. Tiny is a coward who will flee the country when things kick off. He doesn't deserve a seat at anybodies table.
EDIT: my bad...i thought you were talking about Destiny's original stream with Warren and the panel. but you were talking about this video.
ORIGINAL COMMENT: but to be fair, if you have to sit down and watch 6 hours of incredibly nuanced and detailed information being presented (and Destiny even said he didn't present everything he'd like to), which is basically akin to going down rabbit holes in order to prove your point like a conspiracy theorist...i mean, ain't nobody got time for that. i understand that this is a work in progress for Destiny, maybe we'll see a documentary from him one day that gets to the point. but at this point: is too much like a big conspiracy theory, something Destiny himself even hates.
It's kind of concerning just how many of your own viewers commented before watching your entire video and taking away the positive message found within. Great video Warren. Keep it up.
I can watch the video and still think destiny is an awful human being. I personally wouldn’t ever speak with him but that’s what makes Warren fun
It'd probably do a lot of good for more people to sit through the entire focus group themselves. I can understand people not liking destiny, I can understand not liking debate bros in general. But it's hard to argue with the document he put together.
@@bloo9699 I think for most it’s the aura of bad faith he comes from. Destiny has specifically stated he thinks all right leaning people should just be deported. Anyone coming from that base hurts their credibility to a massive degree
@@jacksonperez5615 do you also think trump, dave rubin, and tim pool are horrible humans?
@@demolisher-ng1dh Dave Rubin I don’t watch, I haven’t watched Tim in ages and Trump is not the highest on my moral compass. At least none of them have openly stated they’d want the opposition killed or deported on their entirety.
This is about a "going off the rails" that began over 60 years ago. Until you guys can properly frame the subject and understand what's really at stake, you're just filling hard drives with good intentions.
What went off the rails 60 years ago?
@@CC-mr5xq Our government. Eisenhower warned us. There's nothing sudden about how we got to this point. This conversation requires MUCH more history.
@@Carnivore69 I'm intrigued by your idea and how you found a specific time when things fell apart... Are you addressing the complex that prospers from conflict? I'm unsure how that can even begin to be addressed unfortunately. I think much the same as major pharmacies and companies. Governments and large corporations seem to like playing along to do questionable things. What sort of sources you find yourself often using?
It started closer to 100 years ago.
@@micmic2575 he's just regurgitating a tweet he read
Weird seeing all the anti destiny comments, didn't the stream go well? It was just a condensed document of evidence related to Jan 6 and some conversation on how the introduction of that knowledge changes perspective
Well, if you take a good minute to read the comments, they just speak in vagueries and ad hominem attacks: "hurr durr, he's a grifter, he has a big ego, he's a lunatic, he just argues in bad faith, I feel so bad that you had to listen to him for 6 hours straight!!!!" None of these guys actually watched the 6 hour panel, and I doubt they even watched this video itself. This level of demagoguery is so profitable for conservatives because it's more convenient for what are - let's be honest - the low IQ, low energy expenditure people that permeate the web. I know I'm resorting to the same tactic of attacking their character, but that's because they give you nothing of substance to work with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Especially weird since Warren promotes critical thinking and empathy, instead of uncritically hating on someone for little reason
@@pesek3d994 egon cholakian strikes again
It is obvious. Destiny has always been a bad faith actor. What is also unsurprising, is the Tiny lubbers to crawl out of the wordwork to pretend this isn't the case. Though, their objections are always surface level. Despite the same charges being levied at Tiny for years, they have no interest in actually refuting any of it.
@@wangsunfuh8889 Hey, can you show examples of what you're describing? Also, i would suggest not to speak in such deragatory terms.
It’s nice to see your smile back. I would love to see you moderate well executed debates between two opposing people. Have it use the rules of debate. Have you ask thoughtful questions of both parties. You have a gift of asking questions to ponder. You bring calm. I would love to see you show the world what could be.
I'm at the eleven minute mark and it just points out that some people read books and others don't. Always remember there is knowledge, intelligence, wisdom, and critical thinking.
There is also the knowledge given to you through God's Word and just plain, old common sense.
True the vehicle for delivering the knowledge is irrelevant.
Remember the greeks thought reading & writing was making people intellectually lazy
I found out the speed of light is 186,000 miles per second by watching DBZ. The idea knowledge is inherently more valuable when it comes from a book is ironically something a person who doesn't read very often would say.
I've recently learned that people try to substitute wisdom, knowledge, and intelligence with critical thinking without realizing its useless without the other 3.
@@BlaqAdam No you are incorrect. Wisdom, knowledge and intelligence are byproducts of critical thinking. We are all born into a state of ignorance, it is only through critical thinking that we can gain knowledge, ie put hand on hot stove and burn yourself, therefore do not put hand on stove. With Knowledge comes intelligence and through proper application of intelligence comes wisdom.
We tend to shortcut a lot of this stuff by gaining knowledge through reading books and taking classes but this means that far too many people end up having absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever. They are TOLD what to think, and they think it. This is the origin of the NPC meme that is fairly popular right now.
For example, people like Destiny say that J6 was an insurrection, but I look at it and ask a very simple question of "How?".
How are unarmed men and women storming into the capital when all the senators and house reps have been removed going to lead to an overthrow of the country?
Is the building itself the country?
Does simply occupying it confer upon the occupants the power to control the country?
These things matter. If my two year old tells me he has usurped my position as parent and is now in control, does that make it so? Do I need to physically subdue my 2 year old to regain my title or do I have to simply bow to his whims because he says so?
Critical thinking allows us to understand that J6 as it happened could NEVER have actually resulted in the country being conquered because the people that were there that day had no actual means of subduing the system. They were at best very lightly armed and had no real end goal in mind that could wrench the seats of power away from those who owned it, because they didn't have a military backing or support from a significant enough proportion of the population in order to accomplish such a thing.
And yet, midwits like Destiny will argue that the country teetered on the very brink of existence on J6 because a rowdy riotous crowd stormed the capital...that is precisely NOT an example of being able to think critically about a topic.
As a Dgga, we were all glad to have you join the focus group Warren.
I really hope he takes a look at the comments here and reevaluate what kind of audience he wants to cultivate.
These people are unhinged 😂.
@@hughesjanus its so funny, the irony in this comment section is insane
@@hughesjanus comment section is full of subhuman mouthbreathers holy shit this is amazing
Literally nothing but unsubstantive hissing in these comments, it's sad.
@@hughesjanusIt’s very sad to see these people be lied to by Trump and still 100% support him. If they’d only engage with the viewpoints they’re so heavily attacking maybe they’d see that Trump never cared about their issues.
I wanted to commend you for going in with an open mind and hearing him out. You were curious and respectful. Great stuff !
Even if I feel like I've had issues with the more extreme shifts in Destiny lately, I'm happy to see this conversation take place. And you did amazing Warren ♥~
Back in 2002, when our 'populist' politician Pim Fortuyn got killed, and the whole country mourned. There was one message that remained from both him, and a famous comedian who also got killed around the same time. That despite the death of a great mind, we need to keep the dialogue going. We need to keep it open. And this represents that beautifully.
The clips you show give the impression that Destiny's research was from Jan 6th to present and acting like the media bias didn't really exist since prior to him being elected.
I used to listen to Destiny a decent amount over the years. He has always been a fast talking loudmouth, but he's only recently become so disingenuous. Either someone is paying him a lot of money for this, or he's got the worst case of TDS I have EVER. SEEN.
@@NeoN-PeoN Bro you got to get back on your Meds you are slipping
What's wrong with media bias? Are media not allowed to have an opinion? You understand just because someone has a bias doesn't make it wrong, right? If you are bias that US will win the Olympics at b-ball is that an incorrect or morally wrong position?
@@WhopperCheeseDota Those are such stupid questions that I don't even know where to begin with why they're wrong except for the Olympics one.
@@robinthrush9672 because you don't know why you believe what you believe, it's all emotions and vibes haha. Hence why you can't explain it
I wonder if the people that hate on Destiny actually watched the video. Was nice to see them be on a discussion panel.
I watched him on many different panels freak out when challenged even a little, lie, never grant a point, then lie about it after.
You don't have to see THIS panel after you've seen enough of the other panels/debates he's been a part of.
He's disingenuous and unethical.
@@1faithchick7 I’d say the exact opposite, it seems he challenges positions and the answers given are not sufficient. When they start weaseling out he starts getting upset. This happens almost every debate with the exception of when he went up against Rob Nooer. Rob has been one of the few that has been able match him.
@@DeadlyPlatypus It’s amazing how calm one can be when engaging with good faith actors.
@@sevhoss Now you understand why so many people are loudly opposed to Destiny. It's difficult to remain calm when someone has shown themselves to be a consistent bad-faith actor.
Thank you, Warren. You're doing great good work!
Came from the Destiny video because at the very end you started touching on one of the conversations that I believe we need to have as a country. It was frustrating for a number of reasons, but here's what it made me think: I never see discussions that start with a specific callout of where the "other side" is, or could be, coming from. If we can approach discourse with the intent to understand, or if nothing else, acknowledge where the other person(s) is coming from, we can expect a far more fruitful outcome. I believe this would, over time, help to reduce some of the name calling and personal attacks that are so ubiquitous in political "discussions" right now. Now that report is incredibly convincing, to me. My parents, friends, colleagues, people I go to church with, etc., etc. could hear all of this and not find it convincing AT ALL. I was begrudgingly planning to vote Trump prior to hearing this, and frankly can't in good conscience do that now. So, I am truly stuck because I refuse to vote for Kamala Harris either. From my perspective, both sides are problematic to say the least. I want to see an honest conversation about what's driving this increasing extremism on both sides. I got frustrated at the end of Destiny's video because I could see the conversation being steered in an important direction. Anyway, if you read this, thanks for giving me something to think about, and I look forward to hearing your perspective on other topics.
hey, from the dgg community here.. i couldn't tell if you're one of us or part of Warren's community.. but i wanted to say i relate in my own way to your comment. wanted to say despite what you choose, I was very much in the same camp as you a while back, except i had tapped out as Apolitical b/c i couldn't understand this new progressive movement stuff.. and looking at DT, it feels like he's just taken a ton of OG Dem talking points like free speech and somehow made it into a conservative thing.. something it never was before as a Clinton Era Democrat.. which makes sense considering DT WAS a Dem for over a decade before.. bro's NOT Republican. (also, looking at this comment section, it doesn't even sound like people watched THIS video.. Warren deserves a better community with people to represent what he's trying to do by showing good faith by using critical thinking skills... not just look at what "team" someone's on and follow blindly).
There's many comments here who are unfortunately lacking the critical thinking skills of trying to at least build some type of bridge to at least reach out and have a respectful dialogue to, at minimum, listen to the nuances that people like me, Traditional/Clinton era Democrats worry about. Many communities typically just adhom/clip chimp/make assumptions of what they think were about, which is so far from the truth, and annoying. I hate these Twitch Hamasabi dogsh* far left, echo chambered, "advocates" who have successfully proved the horseshoe theory to be true with anything America=BAD. I know that's NEVER going to be me, nor D. I just get nervous in the idea of fixing what isn't broken.. (our Constitution). I believe we live in the best country in the world, and I, too, find it a bit frustrating that we can't pull out a couple of genuine, good hearted Dem and a Rep who act actually Presidential, so we can be proud of our country once again.
and btw, I, personally, felt much more conflicted when Biden was still running.. i do feel much better with Kamala, who, at least isnt Hillary (It makes me very gleefully petty if Kamala becomes the first female President over Hillary.. I just always found her so entitled and smug personally).. I'm likely voting Blue just for the sake of at least keeping things still afloat, but thats just my choice. I think there's a lot of healing America needs done to return back to some form of semblance of Patriotism we used to once have..
Cheers mate, sorry for the novel. lol
dggL🤍
@@HaraQuinn thanks for the thoughtful, detailed response. I’d rather read a (not unhinged) wall of text than a single bad-faith inflammatory sentence. You mentioned you couldn’t tell which community I was from and that’s possibly a good thing in my opinion, depending on if it’s just because I made no sense at all 😂 anyway I’m arguably part of the community, I regularly consume his content from live to old debates. I find myself disagreeing with him somewhat regularly but it’s better than anywhere else I’ve found. The bottom line for me is that I can reasonably expect that he 1.) Has researched a given topic 2.) Is attempting to act in good faith and 3.) Wants this country to succeed.
It was great seeing you work through the focus group!
Destiny is absolutely an activist and as much as he wants people to believe he is 100% logical, the dude is seriously driven by his emotions. The ultra charitable interpretation of the alternate slate of electors is the correct interpretation. The left mocks Trump and his allies for specious legal theories when that is all they have employed to prosecute him. Destiny mocks Trump supporters and condemns them to the fate of the Pennsylvania firefighter, while saying we’re all idiots for not accepting that Jan 6 was an insurrection. Meanwhile he gets bodied in a debate with Andrew Wilson and rage quits like a spoiled princess after a 5hr debate with Rob Noer. His autism has fooled you for intellect.
What is the ultra charitable interpretation of the alternate electors scheme, and why do you think it's the correct interpretation? I'm assuming you'll bring up something about the 1960 alternate electors in Hawaii or the election of 1876? I think given the fact that the "alternate" electors didn't meet many of the legal provisions required for a slate of electors, is it not safe to say that they were fake slates of electors?
Great analysis, was a fan of the guy right up til his j6 and his trip assassination attempt take
Andrew Wilson 😂😂. I see, can you define insurrection?
I've tried to explain Destiny a couple of times, I've never been able to articulate it as well as this.
@@Huge_Echman I accept Destiny’s definition, not his application. Unfortunately, it is so broad my grandma sneezing on a congressperson could be considered one. Therefore his meta criticism of anyone who disagrees with him is invalidated. He is a boob.
You’re really surprised that you get lumped in with Trump supporters, Warren? It’s because you express skepticism towards all the positions instead of acting like a good little drone. You are a free thinker, and you share that attribute with Trump. How dare you!
You have a special kind of brain rot to think Trump is a “free thinker.” Lol.
Me thinker is different than free thinker, I don't think it'd be fair to give the Don that grace
You’re absolutely right, iron5wolf. ... and if Trump is a “me thinker” as our buddy David says, he wouldn’t have upheaved his life to deal with all this b.s... he would’ve remained happy and content in his personal life. He’s also spent lots of his personal money and he doesn’t take his president salary.
Destiny asked for conservatives/those who lean right to join the call. Which is why Warren was invited. He then proceeded to hedge for Trump and criticize the left almost every time he spoke. And you are surprised why everyone thinks he's a trump supporter? Or did you just not watch the 6 hour thing?
I mean after watching all of it for 6 hrs, I wouldn't be surprised if why someone would lump him in with Trump supporters. He was defending Trump and his side for a while earlier on until later on.
Legend, great video dude. Keep digging and thinking for yourself.
Crazy how biased and one sided this comment section is, to quote the former president, "SAD"
It's really odd considering OP seemed to learn a lot during the stream and even said so here. Yet somehow everyone in comments didn't hear a single thing.
@@atetraxxDestiny Derangement Syndrome
@@burstingturtleZip destiny’s pants up when you’re done
@@atetraxx I already saw the jan 6 committee go on for days without any counter argument offered. I don't need some half-assed partisan shill to rehash it for me also without any counter argument or examination.
Really bored of progressive arguments going unchallenged.
@@bambbambboyguy123lol, someone’s mad that their daily vocabulary is finally backfiring.
Good video. I would like to see more conversations between you and Destiny in the future. You have quite different personalities and perspectives so it is interesting to watch you interact with each other.
I used to disagree with Destiny on practically everything, but I still had some level of respect for him. But respect dissipated into the atmosphere over the last few months.
Why does this feel like a low-tension struggle session?
This entire video felt like the review of a struggle-session pitty party for Destiny in order to help justify his crazy opinions.
There are far too many people who wish to be told the truth instead of discover the truth. There are far too many people who want to avoid questions and skepticism instead of scrutinize and verify. There are far too many people eager to believe the worst in others instead of doing the work needed to sort through the smear. There are far too many people who with to silence and dismiss instead of discuss and embrace reality over fiction.
Until that changes, mouths will be more active than ears and spitefulness will guide hearts. Division is a tactic of tyrants and censorship is like a tyrants body armor.
You re absolutely right, some people do prefer being told what to do or think. Another thing I noticed, because of all this talk about this actually being a spiritual war, and you see many people turning to Christianity lately, is that people on the left side are usually not religious, and you know people like this tend to be more attached to material and mundane stuff, to the point of making a God out of anything they feel attraction for. You notice that very clearly with most of the democrats that are blindingly supporting Kamala without giving any reason. It's like people have made a God out of the democrat party
@@duarteleonardo8352 The left are religious, it's just a nontheistic faith. Their church is the church of government and their fruits are the ballot box.
@@duarteleonardo8352 People are less religious than ever in the US. You are delusional.
@@spacetoast7783 my point exactly, they create other Gods or idols, whatever you wanna call them, to worship
@@duarteleonardo8352 Ok leftist
I used to enjoy Destiny's content quite a bit. Despite disagreeing with many of his views I respected his debate skills, research, and found humor in his abrasive nature whether he's discussing with those on the right or the left. He seems to have changed in recent years though and I've found his content less enjoyable so I haven't watched him in quite some time.
He has changed a lot just in the past few months. I can’t stomach him at all anymore
He can play nice just to get some propaganda off.
No one will answer for sure, but what is the biggest change you feel like destiny made?
4:48 This aged well
Speaking of the "people make mistakes" thing at the end; you might be interested in how unwilling he was to concede that with Actual Justice Warrior on the same topic.
Gee, I wonder why AJW has already posted two apology videos because of that. Maybe because he's a scum liar that even after having his lies exposed so hard that he has to admit them in a video, he still won't admit he's pushing a false narrative?
Was a Democrat for 47 years. They Are Not What They Used To Be. I'm voting Straight Republican Ticket for the first time in my life.
Out of curiosity, what issues are you voting on that makes Republicans appealing?
What do you mean the democrats are not what they used to be? You see a lot of principled republicans trying to save the party from trump by supporting the democrats, you don't really see vice-versa.
Comments like this that make me paranoid about bots. This is like a bug in the neuro network swapping republicans and democrats.
@@Huge_Echman principled republicans? lmao You mean neocon elite liars that have been screwing America for decades? Jesus you are brainwashed. Why do you think these people love Trump? Because they hate the so called republican you call principled that have been screwing America in cahoots with the Democrats.
That’s really interesting. I’m able to cognitively decouple my emotions from politics fairly well, so I don’t hold anything against you or your views, @tonysienzant6717.
What’s nutty is that I feel the exact same way and likely would’ve made the exact same comment, but with the political parties entirely swapped. I’ve become incredibly disillusioned in the domain of politics in 2024 that I’m still at a loss for words, grappling with all the messaging in the online sphere. I voted for Trump in 2016. Again in 2020. I’m having a tough-incredibly, tough-time justifying giving him my vote again in 2024.
What a crazy past few years it’s been for all of us. From C-19 to the rapid advances in AI (I develop fine-tuned LLMs for small businesses), I’m incredibly concerned about the mis- and disinformation campaigns currently rolling out, and it, really, barely hasn’t even started wrt leveraging AI bot farms in foreign nations.
Good luck to you, genuinely, and to us all.
@@Huge_Echmanlook up democrats switching to the Republican Party , get out of your bubble , if it’s contrary to your belief and your thought is bot paranoia , well, go out and touch grass kiddo
Great talk, great vid, great stuff.
Warren, I was exposed to you through Destiny's stream and I just want to thank you for providing your perspective and asking great questions. I appreciate you also being openminded enough to even entertain the conversation. I wish other comments would echo this sentiment rather than just post negative comments of someone they don't like.
Well, if he didn't wish me dead for the candidate I support I'd give him a listen. But in what world should I? That's not only insane yet it's not illegal to ask lawyers how the law works and what they can do. Not to mention I can stand in the middle and condem the rioters of j6 like I do for antifa that rioted during the blm/floyde protest. If you can't reason with me, why should I reason with you?
@@sirowthereaper he didin't wish anyones death. He just said i have no sympathy for trump/ putin supporters and made jokes like i'll buy you front row seats to a trump convention quite different from wishing death.
@@sirowthereaper could have just not commented at all
@@Buksyuriok it’s just as bad just a more cowardly way of putting it
@@sirowthereaperright??
To those who are critical of Warren's audience and how they are not engaging with Destiny see from their point of view: Destiny has crossed the line and acted in a way that makes them no longer willing to engage with his arguments. They view him the same way some of you commentators view Trump; someone beyond the pale. And you can make all the arguments you want, but at the end of the day, he celebrated an innocent dude dying. And to this day he still defends that action. You call conservatives hypocrites all you want, but that doesn't change what Destiny did.
Omg i hate this line of thinking. Destiny being unhinged is not an excuse for people to be delusional.
You CAN condemn Destiny's rhetoric and positions and simultaneously engage with his arguments.
I'm tired of treating conservatives like triggered ret*rded children. These are grown as* adults.
he wasn’t “celebrating” and the dude definitely wasn’t “innocent”
@@loonasfirstdisciple One he was celebrating the killing of the firefighter. For example, he tweeted out a picture of the blood from the victim and joked that it was a few points down for Trump. You could argue that it was just a joke, but even in that circumstance, it is a morally bankrupt joke. More so, I think a guy who views Trump as a threat to America might be happy when Trump is down a few points. This points to that tweet as an obvious celebration of the victims' death. And a dude being at a political rally for a candidate you don't like does nullify his innocence. He is innocent because nothing he did warranted being shot dead. If this is the type of people Destiny want in his audience then fine by me, but when the day comes when the dog he taught to bite others bites him in the ass few we care about his suffering from it.
@@hughesjanus Call them any names they want, but that isn't going to change a thing. For if you want you're opposition to listen to you then acting in the manner that Destiny did isn't going to help. If you some how have the magical power to change human psychology then do that first, and then maybe more rightoids will be able to listen to Destiny. Until you gain such god-like power then learn that approaching your opposition entails being a cool and collective actor. And not acting like an unhinged man-child.
He didn't celebrate anything. He also didn't want to engage in an appeal to emotion for others. If we're talking about the same interview, he just noped out of that direction of discussion...
I really appracite the setniment you had at the end of your video. I want a strong REpublican and Democratic party of principled people making the best arguments they can, arguing against each other, getting passionate and emotion because of how much the each care and believe in what they are saying. But only when everyone cares about truth, facsts, our country, and agrees on what those things are or at least the process of discovering them. I think that 6 hours shows not just the many facts Destiny has compiled and the research he has done, but also his process and how he discovered them in the first place.
I hope more people in the comments reflect on this last point you made and don't just tribalisitcally hate on Destiny for being part of another group than them.
Warren, I would avoid giving Destiny any attention. He is a sociopath. Please avoid the temptation of being on a platform merely for attention grabbing and attempting to be relevant. You have arrived at this point by filling a void: transparent and honest reactions to current events without bias.
People say listening to Destiny is sealed fate but I disagree. Hasan is WAYYYYY worse.
Aid or herps
Much respect for this video.
Destiny doesn't care about truth. He simply likes to argue and be disagreeable for the sake of it...he provides no solutions, just spews nonsense. I can't believe you had to spend 6hrs with him, my worst nightmare.
The problem isn't that he doesn't provide solutions, after all the first step to finding a solution is first realizing that there is a problem and what that problem looks like. The issue is that the premises that are foundational to his cosmovision are entirely incorrect and so he has come up with this very distorted view of reality which leads him to the wrong conclusions about 90% of the time.
@@willl676 yep.
"COVID most likely came from a wet market" - Destiny.
The wiki warrior's vision is clouded by outcome first, then he works backwards to find the conclusion inline with his ideology. He's not a free thinker and as such his conclusions will only be right at the rate of a broken clock (with a variable for issues where he hasn't yet been biased, which isn't most meaningful issues).
😂😭 So mad
He just wants to win debates to get debate credits and use debate credits to debate more people. Truly sad and pathetic.
Yea thats probably why hes spend hundreds of hours researching the topic lol. More than any creator you watch has ever done btw.
I saw what he said on Piers Morgan. What a sick mind he has. That dude can kick rocks!
I absolutely love how kind and civil you are.. it’s a breath of fresh air from listening to all these people scream at each other and call each other names. You are an amazing person. You are going to help people actually think for themselves instead of being stuck in an echo chamber, because You’ve already helped me.
Just do your best - dont be too attached to the outcome. Do the right thing - and thats all you can do. People have to decide for themselves. Freedom means the freedom to choose or think incorrectly - as long as it doesnt harm others.
The Destiny derangement syndrome is strong in this comment section
i mean are you surpried based on this guy's content ?
He conducts himself HORRIFICALLY on a fairly regular basis. It's easy to see why a lot of people don't like him.
@@Maelthorn1337 im surprised you have pearls left to clutch
@@Maelthorn1337example?
Destiny is the one who is deranged.
Warren, I really admire your cool-headed and thoughtful style of discourse. It is an unhappy admission in that it’s an uncommon breath of fresh air. I have trouble with the normality of both sides constantly using ad hominem attacks to drive discourse.
The more I listen to Destiny on this subject, the more I realize he actually believes what he's saying and doing. I've strongly criticized him for being bad faith here, but no, he actually does believe it. He's wrong on so many points, but he's being earnest.
However, I can't ignore how he behaved so intentionally recently. This cannot be characterized as "mistakes." He lashed out with malice. It's clear that this recent stream and pivot is due to him taking personal time to reflect on his behavior.
But your closing point is also why I continue to follow him and his content.
Warren, just please take your time with politics. Destiny loves to SOUND confident even when he is wrong just like many of these political commentators like him. He may seem like he is in good faith but remember the track record of Destiny and the disgusting stuff he says. Please consider this, do not start letting Destiny of all people get you roped into his bad faith arguments just cause he is trying to pass as centrist. He is just doing this cause he screwed up with such a idiotic and disgusting take on the Trump shooter that he is honestly bordering on irredeemable. Yes these discussions are good, but do not fall for his BS, do your own research on it and take what Destiny says with a grain of salt.
Did you listen to Destiny’s 6hr Jan6 compilation? Did you go through the PowerPoint he made?
If so, how can you say he’s lying, when it is start to finish what happened? He provides evidence with every conviction he states. Can your side say the same? (biiggggg fat no)
He’s essentially unredeemable to me. He had an entire 3 hour conversation with sneako trying to explain how you shouldn’t form your opinions or views based on opposing others, then justifies his gross statements by doing the same and letting his actions be dictated by those he claims to find reprehensible. I think he’s either a grifter or at best a hypocrite.
Are you seriously trying to tell him to not listen to the facts and information that he was presented with because of who presented it? It was a stream based purely around facts and information. That extensive "warning" not addressing the substance of the discussion is just bad faith. You're telling a man to weigh facts less based on who delivered them.
@@CordaroBlu if you read my comment I never told him what he should do, I said what I thought. That seems like pretty bad faith. My point was that his moral inconsistency drove me away from listening to him, I wasn’t saying anything about his views in the conversation. I can separate the art from the artist just like I can admire good things a person says or does, even if they wrong. Pretty aggressive insinuations you had. That kind of judgmental attitude, where your mind is made up, is the exact kind of thing that was being discussed in this video.
He's definitely not trying to pass as a centrist. He´s been openly criticizing centrists saying that assuming the centrist position to come off as objective and unbiased doesn´t automatically make you a critical thinker. Sometimes, one side is right and the other is wrong.
Great video. Everyone listened to each other and no one interrupted or talked over anyone. Nice to see for a change.👏🏻
There is nothing genuine about Destiny beyond Destiny's love of Destiny. He is an intelligent con artist through and through. A real conversation would occur when you have diversity of thought and freedom of expression. Destiny falls squarely on his face every single time he has participated in those conversation because his points sound great in his echo chamber but fall apart as soon as they see the cleansing light of day.
You cannot really have a Diversity of thought if the Evidence clearly Shows what happened.
As interested as I am in learning about what sort of facts and arguments this stream might have presented, there's no possible way I'm listening to destiny for 6h. If anyone makes a
The entire thing was the important bits, that is the main problem, Destiny cut out a ton of his notes and other important information and it still took 6hours
@@AntiTheBird Then he is an ineffective communicator and or he needs to rein in the scope.
@@Frag-ile have you considered the possibility that the quantity of equally unacceptable actions committed by Trump is greater than you assume?
@@AntiTheBird Doesn't really matter. If you truly want to educate someone who stands in opposition to you the first hurdle you need to clear is to convince them to give you a chance. A 6h lecture, no matter how concise and filled with absolutely critical information is never going to do that.
So you have to have some discipline and figure out what amounts to the most important of all your important information that will build a foundational layer of trust in you and your information. Then if you want to you can put up a whole series of lectures, but you got to focus and you have to create an introduction that people are willing to hear.
Those of you leaving pointless negative comments towards Destiny contribute to the problem of us not talking to each other and communicating different ideas, sharing facts we wouldn't otherwise had known about if it wasnt for people like Destiny. He's spent countless hours and many months researching this. You aren't reflective of Warren or what he stands for if you're leaving comments like this. Spend less time being angry and judgemental, more time listening.
you worry about how dangerous trump might be but look at how the world was in his 4 years compared to the last 4 years
Better employment, more oil production than ever, closer ties to international allies, investment in infrastructure and future products via chips act, what's not to like?
He tried to appoint himself as president even though he lost.
@@mattygoodtimes6036 did he the system is regularly showing how they are trying to stop in power using all means possible most illegal
@@mattygoodtimes6036 No, he didn't.
So true! More jobs have been created, record high stock market a.k.a my retirement portfolio, more funding for roads and infrastructure American infrastructure Act, grids are being developed for A.I and funded by the federal govt, semi-conductor production being moved from over seas to here with the CHIPS act, crime lower under this administration, insulin for my aunt is lower because she qualifies under Medicaid. The only failure was not securing the bi-partisan border bill that was made BY A REPUBLICAN, that Trump told republicans to shoot it down because it "would help Biden get re-elected."
This whole narrative of 4 years being poor is bullshit. America is prospering by almost every metric. Republicans shot themselves in the foot with the border and blamed it on dems... hell Biden had to sign executive orders to cap the border entries because of Republicans failing to pass THEIR OWN bill because of Trump.
I'll take these 4 years compared to the lack laster economy even before COVID.
Wow, this comment section is negative. I thought the discussion was really cool. I liked how he brought on different people that aren't centrists but also not partisan then very clearly laid out the information in a way that a layman like me could understand and encourage the people who were less knowledgeable on the call to ask questions which helped me understand what was going on. It was kind of like presenting his argument to a jury. It would be interesting to see this format become more common.
Big congrats on how much you have grown your channel since getting let go of your old job. Hopefully this is a much more fulfilling and happy life even due to that negative moment that led to this!!
I understand that it’s important to be rational and reasonable on these sorts of topics, but there’s something about Destiny, Jan 6, and all the rhetoric around it that really irks me. I’m willing to admit that it is most likely an irrational agitation on my end, but it’s something I can’t ignore. It’s like an instinctual revulsion. It’s like something deep within me knows that there is something tremendously wrong here but it lacks the ability to articulate itself, to lower itself into a more grounded level. It’s like solving a maze by starting from the end point and working your way to the start when everyone else (Destiny and the like) is trying to solve it from start to finish, which I guess is the dilemma of pure intuition. Maybe I’m totally in the wrong to be feeling this way, maybe not, but it’s there, grounded in something instinctually moralistic rather than intellectual, and it’s not so easily swept aside in the face of rational argument.
You are in the wrong.
What a long and useless way to say Idk anything about J6 but since my side looked bad, Im not going to look into it and just assume the other side is wrong.
I am repulsed by it as well and there's no mystery as to why in my case. Innocent people spent years in prison over Jan 6. Anybody who would do that over a political disagreement is inhumane and being repulsed by them is a proper ethical reaction.
@@patrickbarnes9874 Yeah, Trump caused that
We are not computers/pure logic machines. We have intuitions because they have served us well in the past.
If you have a strong innate sense telling you that something nefarious is going on with this guy, or anyone for that matter, you should listen to it.
@@paulares292 Those intuitions have served us well to not get eaten in the jungle. Those intuitions are in no way designed to get to the truth of a matter.
In fact those intuitions and the hermeneutics derived from them often stand in the way of getting to the bottom of truth claims.
"Abandon reason, believe what you want to be true" Is all i read in your comment.
What a stupid thing to say...
Your eloquence and courage entering these polarizing conversations is so admirable. I hope to learn and express truth in this informed but digestible way.
What are Destiny's credentials aside from being terminally online?
Credentials for what? Is he performing brain surgeries without a license or something?
he has no credentials
Please be sure to always post links to your appearances on other channels. (Also, let us know where to look for these links: TH-cam Community Tab, X, etc.)
6 hours of Destiny would make crazier than a Liberal.
Destiny celebrated the death of an innocent man and then condemned and attacked anyone with an ounce of commonsense that called him out on it.
He's a grifter and he knows he will never amount to anything of value beyond that.
He may have intellect but he doesn't have a soul.
Does Warren even know this???
all the people that “called him out” are hypocrites, take dave rubbin for example, he made several hammer jokes, but thinks he has ground to stand on the issue.
@@tinygrove7623 nope. Not hypocritical. These are vastly different circumstances and you're over generalizing. There is no moral high ground when are you are celebrating the death of an innocent man who was protecting his family.
@@tinygrove7623Ok Hypocrite
@@mistere5857 While you can say that Destiny was wrong for what he said about the Trump assassination attempt you should at least also say when right wing people do something wrong in a similar nature.
That’s why political topic are so annoying today, both sides don’t even want to acknowledge the wrong stuff on their side. Your side is not perfect while the other one is pure evil, if it was the case nobody would be on the left lol.
Im noticing that the comments here rely almost purely on character attacks towards destiny and no attacks of the claims or facts of the argument. I would figure there would be more honesty from an enlightened audience
People would address Destiny’s arguments extra he doesn’t make any. He is a complete moron. His thoughts don’t even amount to being wrong. He is unworthy of any attention
it honestly feels botted how hypocritical and ironic it is
They are being honest that they don't like his character. That sounds pretty honest to me.
esp when you go to destiny's comments and see how actually engaged dgg are in their comments and always, ALWAYS being grateful for, even when we already knew Warren had made that weird cold/body language reading abt Destiny. We still were happy he came on and gave 6 hours to actually listen to both sides. you don't have to be "center" to listen to both sides.. that's what these clowns don't get. how else has destiny been cookin debates for a decade as a democrat? b/c he goes out of his way to not just study the democratic claims.. but also the republicans with his famed quote on "you have to be able to steel man the other side better then they can".
all these comments show 0 critical thinking and just adhomming Destiny like it's something new, acting like Hamasabi "my journalism comes from 14 tabs of tweets open". Some are even going as low as reaching for Melina. What kinda "open mind" "free thinking" community is this? DGG is more open minded b/c we actually understand and don't auto discriminate based on "tweets" and actually watch the actual content and are part of researching. Jesus, i love America as much as Destiny and the Daliban does, but JC, so many have dropped so many IQ points in just communicating in good faith on a free website FULL of actual knowledge. crazy dggL💙
Warren, Thank you again for spending your time with us. And i hope you know you're always invited to jump on. don't be a stranger.
It's hard after the comments destiny made after the assassination attempt. And understandably so don't you think?
Destiny is pretty fucken cool. I don't agree with all of his takes but he does great research and preparation for debates/conversations and always lays out a cogent thought process.
I lost a ton of respect for Destiny when he cheered an innocent man dying when they attempted to assassinate Trump. I do believe we need to actually have conversations instead of just shouting at the opposition but I have a hard time given even a touch of respect to a man who thinks people dying on the other side is "good."
He didn’t cheer on anyone dying stop lying, do you show sympathy to every Palestinian dying? Thought so, you’re no different from destiny
@@LiiRAE.Lol "didn't" 😂
@@LiiRAE. Destiny is on video saying "Where'd it happen? Pennsylvania?"... and then going into a half-mumbled rant about swing state voters.
You might give him the charitable interpretation there, but most people, after seeing his tweet storm that followed, including multiple messages categorizing the event as +1 in favor to Biden's poll numbers (as in a -1 to Trump's), will not.
@@pscully608 no one is denying he wasn't mocking his death. But that's neither cheering nor wishing death on trump supporters like every comment on this channel keeps saying.
@@Buksyuri He later stated, in no uncertain terms, that he was incapable of feeling any form of empathy towards anyone who would willingly go to a Trump rally, as whatever might happen to such a person could only be considered karma.
He said, without directly saying it, that he believes anyone who goes to a Trump rally deserves whatever violence might end up enacted upon them, after a high profile incident that ended up with one such person losing their life.
There is more evidence for Destiny wishing the death of Trump supporters than there is that Trump incited an insurrection.
PS: You might notice I purposely avoided using "supporter" until the last line. He made no distinction between supporters and protesters in his comments.
Anybody who manages to listen to Destiny for more than 10 minutes is in my eyes the pinnacle of resilience!!
Seeing a lot of comments like these, not a lot of arguments
@@Jannfndnanakid what kind of arguments do you expect? Destiny's abhorrent positions usually speak for themselves.
@@461weavile the abhorrent position of actually researching facts to form his opinions?
I feel your conflict. I know this video was posted a while ago, but I'm just now catching up on a lot of your posts. I don't know if you'll see this comment but I hope you do. I'm right there with you. I'm so conflicted over all of this. I have liberal friends and conservative friends. I have family on both sides as well. And I feel so trapped in the middle and I have no idea what to do, who to believe and where to turn. I've literally been feeling sick to my stomach for months and I don't see that going away anytime soon...
OK but what is the point of debating a room full of people who are literally all arguing in bad faith?
Expand because you must not have listened to the stream.
name one bad faith thing that was said in the discussion
@@justanothernick39846hrs of evidence "this is bad faith"
DGGer here. I think your input and thoughts on the presentation were incredibly helpful and we all super appreciate that you were there.
DggL
imagine actually calling yourself this
@@TheMightyWalk oh no I participate in a community of likeminded people. What a tragedy.
I watched between four and five hours of it and I really didn’t feel like there was the diversity of thought on that panel and you were staying quiet. And so I’m really grateful to hear this personal synopsis from you.
I kinda wish someone would do a destinyesque manifesto but from the other side. There were so many “facts” that he used that were from sources that there are legitimate arguments against.
Looks like Destiny put on his sheep's clothing for you. I'm sure if you had a firmer stance rather than seeking his point of view or knowledge, then this would've gone way worse. It's easy to stay calm when you aren't being challenged.
Never expect Destiny to speak in good faith. He is an absolute worm to his core.
Did you watch the video at all?
@@WhopperCheeseDota Yes it's just tiny rehashing the Jan 6 committee, once again without any serious pushback or critical examination. Warren is a moderate voice, and reasonable, but he's not exactly the person to play devil's advocate to tiny's position and tiny would lose his shit quick.
@@WhopperCheeseDota You do realize he's a chamelion? The internet put him in check after his reaction with the shooting, and so you can't expect to see him explode as he normally does.
I really enjoyed the videos. Very insightful and entertaining.
I ended out more confuse than anything, you sounded like looking for clarity and open minded people but they sounded like they have a mind set already with the exception of the bottom right guy, I tried to be openminded but sound it more like confirmation bias than a bunch of guys trying to discover the truth
Yup, it's really pathetic to see.
"But he has such FLAWS"
Bro, Kamala factually has:
Used people for slavery
Kept people in prison for nonviolent crimes beyond their sentences
Withheld potentially exonerating evidence from cases
Slept her way up the chain
Lied about her origins and history
This is the person you want to even debate trusting over the guy who... checks notes... has an ego?
And you want to be taken seriously as a scholar?
This is the sort of person who can be convinced of all sorts of stupid shit... case in point: this video.
That is definitely the case here. I'm not sure how the conversation was a "breath of fresh air". It is just recycling their script to a new possible recruit.
If someone has 6 hours of anything that they did a deep dive into, they're likely to have drawn certain conclusions about what they studied on. You're just saying I'm gonna listen to the neutral sounding guy, who didn't research into the subject. How is that process better?
@@raheem8635 Destiny's research amounts to wikipedia + status quo progressive party line. He is entirely predictable.
the only semi regular destiny person in this panel was willymac, the one weird dude in the bottom most of the time. The others aren't regulars, nic i don't think does much other than exist in a similar vein, turkeytom is a regular destiny show though he's a shitposter, so. Act man has literally never interacted with destiny before this stream.
warren showed up completely last minute not expecting anything, which was interesting.
The check and balance is the constitution of the United States of America
Which trump says he wants to suspend
The check and balance with teeth is an armed citizenry/ guns/ 2A.
@@FellsPointCA that is an outright lie
@@froniccruxis1049 not a lie, he tweeted it "In December 2022, while continuing to push the false claim that he lost the 2020 election due to widespread voter fraud, Trump suggested the "termination of all rules...even those found in the Constitution" was merited"
@@froniccruxis1049 It's an exaggeration "A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of
all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the
Constitution." - from Truth Social post by Trump
I never knew who he was until about 2 months ago. I've heard him in discussions about 4-5 times. My gut gave me an immediate dislike and distaste towards him from the beginning. The adjective that came to my mind was "malevolent".
This is what the "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd has to say about news. They don't FEEL it is right so it MUST be BAD.
@@ambidex-ryt Who or what are you referring to?
@@jemmajane5032 As I understand it, ambidex-ryt is making a blanket criticism of an entire half of the population which disagrees with him. "facts don't care about your feelings" is a phrase that Ben Shapiro is famous or notorious (take your pick) for. He is the cofounder of a conservative news network and the "crowd" following this statement is probably just meaning anyone who is conservative.
@@Elrog3 Which is why I didn't bother responding to his comment. He heard a catchy phrase, (whose reasoning I agree with). However he cannot apply it to every situation just because he thinks it sounds intelligent or serves his train of thought. In my comment I refer to "gut feeling" as the evolved sense which humans developed and (should) rely on as a means of survival, to know when to be wary/flee/fight though, hopefully, when sizing people up they don't freeze.
To no one surprise every one in the comments hating on destiny has not seen the 6 hour dump of facts.
Not surprising, no one would watch something that long especially if it's against what they believe. It just creates some sort of conflict within them like how you're indoctrinated in to something and you're finding something that justifies the ideals indoctrinated in to you.
“Facts”
you're such a thoughtful thinker. I enjoy your stuff.
Destiny lost a lot of credibility when he was insanely cruel to the firefighter who died in Penn. I can't imagine being so irrational cruel to even someone I disliked let alone a complete stranger.
He lost most of his credibility well before that.
He went on many dating pod casts bragging about how great polyamorous relationships are & that there's no worry of your partner leaving you, only to have his partner leave him shortly after.
It's hammer time?
"Where are these Palestinians going to live when the war is over? So many of their homes are being destroyed," Piers Morgan replied to the post by Sky News on October 28, 2023.
Comperatore replied to Morgan's post by saying, "They'll get over it. The Japanese did."
Sounds like a pos to me.
Honestly, he didn't need any credibility to make the case that Trump insurrected the government.
He sourced literally everything, and showed the full context of every statement.
Even Warren agreed at the end of the conversation that Trump tried to insurrect the government, and that he lied about voter fraud that would have overturned the election.
@@Whitesquall123 this is completely made up in your mind, he constantly said that he doesnt recommend his lifestyle to other people
Destiny's very existence hinges on Jan 6 being an insurrection, which time and time again, evidence shows otherwise.
But Warren fell into the whole story it seems.
@@siridebikeI think Warren still has some catching up to do.
@@alihenderson5910He deserves a bit of grace on this take, agreed.
you dont even know the evidence,you havent even tried to understand the evidence cos the cognitive dissonance would be to strong an make you feel weird,your in a cult man
Which evidence?
Great video! It would be cool to see you talk to destiny again in the future c:
Act Man was in on this collab?! Wild times
He seems to be going on his own political journey.
@@Thereisnogreatersword he sucks
Actman is a beta male. He's slowly turning into a leftist because the people around him. He use to be a good guy. Now he's a idiot on Twitter
God this is the most embarrassing circlejerk I’ve ever seen
Why was Pennsylvania's supreme court allowed to change the voting laws 1 week before the election of 2020?
Jeez if only there were specific legal documents and challenges that you could read to understand this stuff. To bad no one in the legal system ever writes anything down.
Btw it wasn't a law that was changed it was an interpretation of a law that was ruled inaccurate and therefore illegal.
Imo you should be glad that an illegal way to reject ballots (not a specific law irrc) was ruled so before an election. I guess maybe only people who care about free and fair elections would be tho: maybe that doesn't include you.
Because they are leftist majority and they are corrupt.
It's really interesting to see how Destiny interacts with you vs many other debate opponents. You can tell he senses the danger of being too partisan and holds himself back. Normally he is the polar opposite of this. I think it is because he recognizes that he can't get away with his usual rhetoric. I'm a big fan and love how you are honest in debate. Keep up the good work. You are one of my favorite youtubers.
You should have more conversations with him! These sort of non-combative conversations are really refreshing and a good way to fully understand each side.
I would not listen to destiny’s data. Especially if the phone call was brought up but not in context.
I thought it was a wonderful conversation. I’m glad you were a part of it too