How Different Brands of Ammunition Affect Accuracy Presented by Larry Potterfield of MidwayUSA
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- One of the facts of life is that different brands of factory ammunition will provide different levels of accuracy in the same rifle. The only way to determine which shoots best in your rifle is by spending some time at the range. Watch as Larry Potterfield, CEO and Founder of MidwayUSA demonstrates this principle.
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Important unless you shoot AKs, then the most critical factor is "How cheaply can I get a case of 1000 rounds".
And for 545 it’s “ how can i get a can of 1000 rounds”
"Can I get a case of 1000 rds???"
FTFY
Exactly same goes for my AR47 that I set up right with the correct buffer spring, weighted buffer, strengthened hammer spring, and AK spec firing pin. It has eaten every Russian ammo I've fed after those mods.
Also My HK91 is the same way. Give it the cheapest 308/7.62x51 and we are good to go. I absolutely love Prvi Partizan SPBT for hunting in it. Great to have rifles you can go and shoot in this high priced ammo economy while also being able to hunt with them if you want.
Pretty much anything Russian made, if it ships and is cheap, it will be shot. Whether if its 7.62x54r or 7.62x39.
Get a "valmet" m62/s aka an rk 62, and then lets see if an ak can't be accurate. Milled military versions are rated to have good accuracy after 20k rounds (Semi auto civilian versions are basically the same rifle, with no full auto. Dunno about the sights though)... Source is an old Finnish book from the 80's, can't sadly remember its name nor writer. Though from my own experience the iron sights still had good accuracy to about 300 meters. And my service rifle was from 1972...
Although we used Lapua's cartridges, which are probably the best ak rounds. (And super expensive :D)
If you want to skip the range just cut away the chamber and go to any ammo store and see what fits. Then buy some JB weld and have at it, happy shooting this is Leroy Potfield.
I feel like you should put a /s just in case any idiots actually attempt this
"I'm Leroy Potfield, and sometimes people don't think it be like that, but it do."
@@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760 true
@@DaHuntsman1 last I check this wasn’t reddit
@@elijahaitaok8624 then don't, doesn't matter that much to me
Cliff's Notes version:
"How brand affects accuracy... it's up to you to figure it out."
Love it. Gotta love how nice he says it, too.
It pays in many ways to reload. Tailor that cartridge to work with the firearm
This is very true. I picked up a 99 Savage in .243 and did not want to reload for it. So, I picked up a box each of the "Big three" and went to the range. At 100 yards, the Winchester threw about an 8" group and had sticky extraction. Same with the Federal. I had checked the gun out before using it. The brass looked good. I could see a slight flat area right on the primer radius. I thought I had a lemon. I tried the Remington and it went right down to under an inch. I could flick the lever open with two finger. Apparently the Winchester and Federal were loaded so hot that it was springing the receiver. It would never been noticed in a bolt gun.
I thought I got a lemon because some ammo was 3-4 inches when the guy said it was half MOA. I tried yet another brand and got 1.25". I thought it was the scope or rifle or whatever else, but I never knew ammo could cause two or three times the group size.
That was the most important video I've seen all day
Yep. No fluff, just facts.
I love how it’s just a 1 minute and 25 second video to tell you to figure it out on your own
@FutureMarine246 When Hornady loads a round, it has to fit every firearm ever chambered for that caliber. When I handload a round, it only has to fit one. Mine. That way, I get to control critical variables like bullet jump. Accuracy is everything.
I stay with the same brand for several boxes when sighting in, and seeing if the results remain stable. It's interesting when trying a different brand, other than how well it feeds or burns, if it's shooting higher or lower at the distance I've sighted in. A bit of online research, as I don't always see the velocity on the box, usually explains.
Noslar ballistic tips have always been accurate in my 06's.
Federal Nosler Partition 180 grain is the best for Moose. Nosler expanding tip, with an encapsulated boat tail that pushes through.
What about those who have upgraded and use phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range?
I started hand loading back in 1972 for my Win .243. I eventually moved up to a 30-06 Remington 760 which I hand loaded for also. Once I found the right powder/bullet combination I could shoot 3 shots through a dime size hole at 100 yds. Pretty good for a pump. I still use that load in that rifle.
Coincidence - I, too, started loading in '72. My reloads were .17 Remington, .44 Special, .357 Magnum/.38 Special. That .17 Remington, out of the box, was about 4,200fps. I reloaded them a tad hotter; when the primers started puffing up, I knew to back it off a grain or two. Out of the box, with factory ammo, and a Redfield 12x, I put five rounds through the same hole at a hundred yards. I really regret selling that. I paid $250 for the Remington at Camp Pendleton's Main PX, then $125 for the Redfield at a gun shop in Oceanside.
Haha! "Which brand shoots the best in your rifle? How the hell should I know! Get out there and shoot! I'm Larry 'Cap'n Obvious' Potterfield."
A very nice way of saying "Now go eff yourself and figure it out... " lol
besides the fact that every chamber has worn different... every barrel has worn different. during production, the tooling wears out, tolerances grow.
its IMPOSSIBLE to say "brand X is the best ammo for any gun".
*****
I'm well aware of that... that's why this video is just pointless lol.
Is like Captain Obvious is making a statement...
mrN3w7
Really?
You must have missed the part at the beginning, where Larry nicely demonstrates how different brands of ammo with different bullets seat in the chamber and position their respective bullets differently in the leade (unrifled portion of the barrel immediately before the rifling starts) that will affect accuracy.
PinkOld
I didn't missed anything... he is explaining what is obvious already...
mrN3w7
YOU may consider it obvious.
Others not so informed as you and I are may not.
You're just bitching for the sake of bitching, as all ingrates do.
@TheGovtIsBehind911 thing is, this vid lets beginners know that there fails to be any hard answer to that question which DOES make it informational. maybe you and i already know what he said here but there are MANY people out there who are new to guns that need help with such simple questions, even if the answer they need to hear is that there fails to be a definitive answer to a question. maybe you're different, but i started out knowing zero and then learned from there.
This is true, My shotgun was a Winchester single shot and the best shell for it was the Winchester Super X. My .22 target rifle likes CCI.
Back several years ago I purchased a Ruger Mark II in 30-06, purchased a box of Winchester 150gr ammo, and headed to the range. I shot several three shot groups at 100 yards, and the average group size was around 2 inches.. I was very disappointing in the rifle at this point.. When a friend said something I'd never heard before.. He said, "You're gun doesn't like that ammo much, does it." He suggested I try another brand, and I purchased some Federal, and a box of Remington Core Locked. I began with the Federal, and it was actually worse than the Winchester, with groups as large as 2 1/2 inches.. I then tried the Remington, and to my surprise, my three shot groups tightened-up to the size of a dime.. I couldn't believe it, but I was pleasantly surprised.
Lee Smith I noticed then my tikka t3 30-06 shot 8g bullets about 2,5 cm group. But when I fire almost eny heavyer 11,7g or 13g bullets, it gets 11mm to 15mm groups (4 shots-100m).
+Lee Smith exactly same problem here, same model gun, the m77 mark ii, however i had the Varmint version in 243, got her cheap enough to the point where i figured something was wrong with it. tested it with some 100 grain rems and feds and had a 4 inch group at 100 yards off a lead sled. Someone showed me this video about this, so I bought some hornady 58 grains and now shoot sub .5 inch moa off lead sled. saved my rear end with this video
I have same rifle mine loves barnes 150 gr ttsx and Winchester 168 gr ballistic silvertip. It shoots the barnes into 5/8" the winchester 7/8" most other ammo is around 1.5"
I just buy Hornady and forget about it. As long as I can keep within 3 inches at 100 yds while I'm shivering in my stand I'm good.
These videos are hysterical. He should start a French baking video series. "There are many ingredients that you'll need to cook excellent French dishes. You'll need to experiment and find out which ones to use. Don't forget to subscribe for more helpful advice!"
A very difficult story alltogether. I am a reloader and even a change of powder or bullet will definitely affect the group you shoot. Each cartridge is different, particularly on long distance (over 300 mtrs). Barrel temperaure, outside temperature and compass direction will also guarantee differences.
"compass direction"
Umm.. how?
OminousPinapple It's called "The Coriolis Effect".. The Earth rotates from west to east on it axis.. Therefore, when a bullet leaves the barrel of a rifle, it is leaving the face of the earth, and the earth is moving while the bullet is traveling to the target. Shooting from east to west at long rang, say 1000 yrds, by the time the bullet strikes the target, the target has actually moved farther away and the shot will be low.. Shooting west to east, the distance to the target will be shortened, and the shot will be high.. Shooting north to south, and the shot will be off to the right.. Shooting south to north, the shot will be off to the left.
Lee Smith Well the bullet is already travelling in the same direction at the same speed as the earth is rotating, so due to conservation of inertia, isn't the "north-south" not worth accounting for due to the target also moving at the same speed.. If you were to go super far distances (eg if you were talking about an EM Rail Gun) then yes the position of the shooter and the target being at different longitudes would have an interesting effect (far beyond my current stage of understanding) would it not? Thoughts?
Remember the key is the earth is continuing to rotate after the bullet leaves the barrel.. Thus, from the time the bullet leaves the barrel, and the time it reaches the target.. the earth, and the target resting on it will have moved slightly from its original position, that was fired at by the shooter. This would only come into play on extremely long shots.. say over a thousand yrds. This effect is well understood by snipers that have to figure this factor into an extremely long range shot.
Brother your preaching to the choir most people dont understand the science we do they buy a gun and think everything is the same and gonna work the same every time. Dial in gun in Texas summer perfection go to Alaska and its snowing and sub zero you shoot and miss wtf? Well some powders dont work the same in cold weather and that dialed in in Texas was at 100 degrees and rifle barrel heated up in the sun and fired heated it up even more LMFAO
Try to teach them how to get a cold bore zero they dont have the time nor the patience to get the job done.
I'd love to try different ammunitions in my 7mm-08 but where I live all I can find is Winchester super x 140 grain.
Great job and videoLarry! I've done this with my Winchester Model 70 (Mannlicher stocked) rifle, and have been surprised at the different accuracy results I get from each brand! That said, I'm still spending time at the Reloading Bench, so I can see if my handholds can match or exceed these results!
Larry Thank You for the explenation We Learn a lot from your information. have a nice day
Dude, that bug on the target at 1:05 is ballsy.
Ive seen the Winchester in a .243 stop in a front shoulder, and seen the Remington go through both shoulders and the spine, so I don't care if it's more accurate by an inch or 2, at 300 yards and in Im shooting the core lokt, love that bullet!
Larry sure loves spending time at the range, thats his answer to alot of problems. And i agree!
@VALsacount2 there's an idea for a few extra bucks, get 5 or so diff brands and mix for ten each and then sell them for 20% over costs. could even give the customer a list of brands to choose from to sample
My Browning X-Bolt FLD .30-06 loves American Whitetail 150gr SP. They're lethal and accurate out to 450 yds. You don't have to buy a pretty ammo box to fill the freezer.
Few words, solid sensible advice.
John
And that's the way IT is. Larry is my hero.
you are one knowledgeable fellow all the boys know they all rounds group different now they know one of the reasons as there are many thank you
I love how he enjoys teaching us ✌️
One of the facts of life is that different brands of factory ammunition will provide different levels of accuracy in the same rifle. The only way to determine which shoots best in your rifle is by spending some time at the range.
I like how this company reaches out to its audience through this channel.
@@Josue-rd5gt And that's the way it is...
Larry potterfield if you're reading thi just wish I could afford to have you glass bed my rifle. I would love knowing that You did it, and maybe you could autograph. The rifle that would make my freaking day, I'm a big fan.
And that's why I haven't bought a factory loaded centerfire round in over 3 decades.
im larry potterfield with midway usa and today were going to talk about and thats the way it is
"Which Brand of ammunition is most accurate in your rifle? I can't Tell you that, I'd Get sued"
Also important is trying different bullet weights and charges. Even with the same manufacturer, they'll still achieve varying amounts of accuracy.
That's pretty amazing. All those rounds look exactly alike to me. And how do these slight differences really affect accuracy? I mean, even though they seat a bit differently, they all get squeezed down the barrel anyway, so why does seating make a difference.?
its where on the bullet the rifling actually touches the bullet.
that and slight pressure/velocity changes.
***** Good answer. Thanks for the info. :)
Yes, yes it does.. Just as much as the stock touching a free floating barrel will affect accuracy.
Thanks Larry!!
Larry should run for President.
That last group was great. I do not know the distance.
If you can find any brand of ammunition for your rifle.......buy it!!!
Oh and could you let me know where you found it....
Also....I'm not paying $43 for a 20rnd box of 5.56
Thanks!!!
Thank you larry
Glass and pillar bed a modern bolt action rifle in a rigid stock (laminate or synthetic), free float the barrel, and find a load it likes and you will most likely shoot 1-2 MOA.
best bit of info you could get ignore the advertisement and find it out yourself.
Thanks for keeping it 💯
@generfeld yes.
its a very dificult question because .223 and 556 are different slightly ill try to make it simple 5.56 firesathigher velocity than 223 has a thicker shell case as well so 223 can fire in 556 chanber but not the other way arround! now the confusing part is a lot of firearm manufacturers actually call 556 chambered gun 223 like the FN SCAR16 while others like KAC actually mention the difference thier export model is chambered in 223 while the in coutnry rifles have 556 look into it its true
"I'm Larry Potterfield, and you already know what it is hoes"
Newbies when he says "different guns" he doesn't mean just the model, each individual rifle will have different amounts of free bore, etc. so if someone with the same model rifle recommends an $80 box of ammo for your 300 H&H Mag... just remember it may not work as well for you as it did for him. "The answer: Handload Brand"
Random Ramblings:
Knowledge-Smithing - How Different Kinds of Information Affect Accuracy.
“I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.”
Analog is where it’s at.
Accurate ammunition doesn't come from a box, but your reloading bench.
for the rest of us store people it comes from a box :D
I bet I can hit just about anything you can with shells from a box.
Core-Lokt, all day.
He's the Billy Mays of guns.
my dad always uses federal but they are really expensive
Remington ammo fits better with Remington guns, Winchester, etc... ditto!
I have a question! What brand does the Army requests for their 5.56, 7.62, 9mm, and .50 ammunition?
Thank you!
@kyle1058 Are you deaf? He explains that each brand has different manufacturing tolerances, difference cases, primer, powder, bullets, and cartridge lengths.
@Jeff Scuderi No. SAAMI gives a pressure max, a chamber dimension spec, and a general brass shape. Everything else about the cartridge for bullet weights, shapes, powder charges, primer flame size, burn rates, brass thickness, all of that can be different and in some cases very different.
@Jeff Scuderi You can literally buy 100 different types of ammo. I can walk into a store and buy 110gr VMAX reduced charge .308 Win from Hornady with Hornady brass or 185gr Juggernaut match ammo from Federal with Federal GMM brass. They are nothing at all alike.
Hornady all the way, they have never ceased to amuse me and my gun.
@nzman101 i know how pointless. cuz Larry knows what rifle you own and he just doesn't want to tell you.
That's why making your own ammunition is the only way to get the best accuracy.
my 25-06 tc g2 does real good with horandy 117 grain
@DieUMuslim i gave your comment a thumbs up cause of your name.....love it
Semi auto with Tracers. That 3 or 4th one is usually on target.
@FantasticBob7000 thats how it is man, just gotta keep trying till you find something, or reload, but thats tons of trial and error
as someone who shoots 7,62x53 argentino in an K98 modello 1909 i shoot that what i get. there is only one producers that even makes them anymore for an reasonable price.
Larry potterfield is so cool, it's almost like hes nerdy, but hes such a nerd that hes actually a freakin cool bad a** because hes so g****** smart and knows what hes doing so good that I'm like, mesmerize watching. Him I love how he says at the end of it and that's the way it is and more. I wouldn't argue if Larry potterfield says that's the way it is, I'm going with that.
Midway is a great place to order from.
@Jeff Scuderi lol,yep....sold out
don't forget to try Hornady.
The majority of it is Lake City, but there's also WCC and a few others, I believe.
i never knew that, good information sir
hand load and your better than factory the end lol
You can still handload a bullet that isnt accurate so ultimatly ypur comment is absolutly irrelivent🤣
most accurate = hand loaded sierra gameking hollow point boat tail
I find that the manufacturer's ammo works best in their own brand firearms.
I’ve never found that to be true.
and that's the way it is!
Larry is out there skipping bullets into the next zip code with not back stop
“know what's behind your target” doesn't mean “only shoot of there's a back stop”. It means “only take the shot if you know there's nothing behind your target you don't mind killing” and since all I saw dying was his beautifully manicured lawn, he's good (as for skip, he's clearly shooting into a rise or hill so nothings going to skip).
I see no clear rise anywhere in this video, unless a bullet is capture in a berm it can go anywhere after impacting the ground at such a low angle
"And thats the way it is, cuz' Larry Potterfield says so!!"
so what about those grains?
it gets complicated when bullets are so different for a certain rifle and all those grains
"And that's the way it is" LP
great info
“And it's up to you to figure it out”
Coming from a man who's devoted his life to helping us learn to shoot better, I found him saying “figure it out” really funny.
Every gun shoots different even separate copies of the same model you gotta shoot a few loads to figure it out for your specific gun
@@ryanmontano4824 Absolutely. It's just the delivery was so epic.
I didn't know Larry was the pres. of Midway.
pause at. 0.03----- lmfao---- larry potterfield"thats the way it is bitches"
Have you measured a factory load? Their oal is all over the place.
If Larry sold cars... everyone would buy one. He just has that demeanor and “good guy” persona.
The best brand of ammunition I use is the one I RELOAD.
And that's the way it is
Interesting.
And they don’t have any Ammunition for sale anyway
and thats the way it is
i though it was the shooter and his training. Am i wright??? (my brother is a marine and he shoots my bb gun(yes a bb gun i cant own a M1A socom yet, im too young) in the center every time, what i want to know is how do i make him stop aiming at me?got a video for that?)
quite sad the US dosen't manufacture much of anything these days.
If it were any other subject the responses would be:
"Ok Dr. Obvious."
"Bite me dickweed."
But, because it's gun . . . all bow with reverence.
besides the fact that every chamber has worn different... every barrel has worn different. during production, the tooling wears out, tolerances grow.
its IMPOSSIBLE to say "brand X is the best ammo for any gun".
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Now, if we could only buy brass and primers . . .
Does this apply to Winchester ammunition a well?
I shoot Federal because its cheap, and shoots good for recreation shooters like me.
@Pilotgeek What is your choice of rifle brand?
Nosler customs are hard to beat...
Man, these videos would benefit from being longer and without background music
I'll figure it out one day
Switch an L for an H and cross out the FIELD and he's your magic man!