Battle Of The Bait Molds!! Cast Aluminum vs Stone vs CNC Aluminum
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I wish I could afford plastisol :( I can’t afford it so I do remelts only so I am extremely limited on my color choices
Oh yeah
@@tumbleweedoutdoors1776, $35-40 bucks for a bottle and shipping can make a lot of baits.
A flat screwdriver to help twist is probably the purpose of the slot with the stone mold.
@@marctheriault I know I just barely have any money and I’m in the process of making a swim bait mold with a fellow bait maker so I’m saving my money to get the final product turned into an aluminum mold
You Won’t believe what happen my teacher said that I can do a presentation of making baits for entrepreneurship unit because I sell them and she wanted me to show the classes how I made money off a hobby
Hope it went well
I started making baits today and I owe all the fun to you, I only burnt myself twice
I have cast quite a lot of baits with those baitmold.com 'stone' molds. They have to be brushed with worm oil every second or third cast, then there will no sticking issues. The first casting with a brand new mold is always a little tricky even if properly oiled. The biggest number of castings per mold I've done is roughly 500 and there has not been any visible signs of the mold being disintegrated but I don't suppose they will last forever. They are an inexpensive choice when making baits for yourself, but not that great for any bigger production obviously. Anyway, I'm more than satisfied with the molds, comparing the price vs. the result and also the fact that they have molds for many of the catchiest baits. If I could get the exact same molds in cnc-milled aluminum, I would not hesitate buying them.
i use them stone molds as well i use silicone spray it works very well
This video was so helpful. Thank you. I have been wondering the difference between each of these for so long
THANK YOU CHRIS! You have taught me so well and saved me $$! I first started with pouring Do-it lead molds, excellent products. So naturally went with Do-it soft plastic molds. They worked OK. Lots of denting and learning curves. Do-it injector is really a problem for newbies. Dangerous by blowing the tip off (no pins) . I honestly would never recommend that injector. I purchased a AI mold thanks to you and what a difference, night and day. Now I am building my collection of quality molds. I am no Pro but I recommend waiting until you can afford a quality CNC mold from a reputable maker. I borrowed a stone mold from a friend and with proper oiling (I actually use WD-40 ) it pours very well, especially for less than a $20 price, but it does have limitations such as over heating and needing oiled every few uses.
Good video! It was great to see the finish difference between the molds. I have been using the “stone” molds for 2 years I do have to oil often and over oiling can create problems with swim bait tails and creature bait flaps but over all I have figured out a technic to get pretty good baits ever time. All that being said I don’t sell my baits I got into it to make what I want for tournament fishing. But after seeing the finish difference I might buy one of the CNC molds just to compare how much it affects the color tones I make might be a big difference and a game changer ! Again great video!!!👍
Thanks for watching 👍
Great information, especially for someone who is new to soft plastics. I can see how they may think that starting off with the cost effective mold would be the best option however the cost is made up in replacements from damaged molds. hope this saves someone money in the long run.
I sprayed my do it essential molds with high temp engine paint. Huge improvement over how they finish baits.
I was wondering if the paint was still holding a good finish?
Me too, I’m wondering myself
Is the paint staying
Yes. Paint has held up good. I don't make large quantities. I'd day I've made over 500 baits with mold and paint is still good. Just clean mold good before painting and use a high temp gloss paint.
In both of your stone mold pours, I noticed trash in the tail that didn't pour correctly. Look back in your video. I have made several Alumilite Vac 50 molds of baits that I should not name and had to work on to get a functional bait. I do this because I choose to spend $$ on other toys. I have two stone molds and three more on the way. I really don't have a problem with them. The Bass and Crappie sure don't. Of course, I don't sell these and have to have the $$$ look. Still love you're channel and get notifications of every one!
I was thinking of getting into making some baits and this video helped me a lot. Thank you for all of your content on this topic. Love to see all the ways to get the baits colors.
The old additive : You get what You Pay for !!!
CNC Aluminium, will always be the BEST !!!
I would suggest you save the hard earned, and start off with one CNC Mould ...
Agree all the way
I believe the word you want is adage
hey chris . great channel you have here . i have a question about denting . i use a cnc mold and i get to much denting for my liking . was wondering if there is a way to fix this issue ?
As an entry level, soon to be soft plastic lure maker, I feel so prepared thanks to you. I've watched about 70% of your videos and am still going.
Thank you sir, please share the channel with all your friends
@@WorldsWorstFishing I think my mother-in-law is the only person left and she's next. :D
Been waiting all day for this video to drop
Haha appreciate it
Definitely love not having to learn about the corian type molds subparness on a griddle by trial myself. Very good thing to know. Definitely cnc ones for me. Great vid.
First remark, not even 30 seconds in 🤣
I love seeing you on the Vater pad. I remember Ronnie, Alan and their dad from years ago when I grew up in MA and had dealings with the company in jobs later on. Was sad to hear of Ronnie’s passing a little while ago, but I smile for him every time I see your “endorsement”. 🥰
Awesome!!
Thank you! Was waiting for this one!!!
Thanks for watching
Just starting out and I use stone.. because it's cheap. I've shot three styles of bait and I get decent results. Mine are off of Amazon, they have toggle pins and seal fine. Two have stone pins, one has steel. While I agree that cnc must be better, I have had no issues with mine. I preheat mine on a heating pad and have fewer issues with differential cooling dents. Oil and plastic durometer have a big effect on the shine of the end bait. I will be getting cnc molds, but for now the stone molds work really well. I shoot stick baits, a punch style craw and a very complex creature bait with a core shot pin. The only release problem I have is on the rear flappers of the complex creature, but if I oil every third injection it's fine. None of this is to disagree with you, you clearly have more experience and knowledge than I do. Your channel is why I inject/ pour baits, marling taught me to make wooden baits. You both are great resources. Thank you
Glad you found a way to have success! Thanks for watching my channel
Your description about stone molds is the most realistic one that I found till now
Chris in the pst I have used do it molds they are ok but your right the finish is full but I never used stone molds was thinking about trying them but thanks to you I will not be wasting my money on them!!!! Thank you Chris!!!!
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Hey Teach. I have a stone mold from Best_nj on amazon. It is a 1 cavity mold that pours from the top. It is a 4" craw mold and it pours perfectly. It also does a great laminate. I don't use worm oil though, it is too expensive. I just use the cheap spray cooking oil. It also makes the bait shine. But mostly I use cnc aluminum molds because you are absolutely right, They are the best. Thanks for the video, it was good to see the differences for people just starting out.
Really like the comparison of different materials for mould making. CNC looks to be the clear winner all around even though the cost is at a premium.
You always get what you pay for in life
Good info! It’s only Ai CNC molds for me! They are the best out there 👍
Can't argue that
Likewise on the AI Molds. I have a 4" swimbait and the eyball mold....awesome. I do pour lead for some baits, therefore Do It Molds are used. I also have the Do IT 3" ripper so if your looking for a smoother finish bait, smoking the mold surfaces will help a lot.
Awesome video! Great content. Now you have to test the baits side by side at the lake. Some tips from my experience with stone molds: These molds as with many things have a break in period. They work much better over time. Oil is a no go for the same reasons you described in the video. Waiting too long to remove the baits causes me sticking difficulty. If you remove the baits while the mold still has a little heat in it makes it come out much nicer. Just like cookies on a baking sheet, they are more difficult to unstick while cold. Firmer blends of plastic also perform much better than softer blends.
Good points about the break in
Try to use a brush for oil. PAM works better.
@@MrCami2 I haven't tried that yet so it's definitely worth a shot. I kinda am thinking though that it will still have the same problem just slightly better. I think adding anything that will add volume of a liquid will continue to be a problem. Unless it can be forced out the vents.
I think they all have there uses. If you are making and selling then CNC is likely worth the investment. If you are doing it for yourself to fish with and maybe give a few away then CNC is not going to catch you any more fish than a properly poured bait from a cast or stone mold. There has been tons of fish caught on baits from Do-It wast molds. We are making baits to catch to a fish not curing cancer. I think sometime we lose sight of that aspect when dumping $200 (off the shelf) to $600 (custom) on CNC molds when you can get custom stone made for normally less than $100 from companies like Bug Molds on eBay.
Yes! Thank you for this! I'll test my do-it molds and go from there... But I'm gonna avoid stone, that's for sure!
Definitely didn't have much success with stone
OH mate thankyou..
Ive been out of work since march because of the real C word and was going to get some
of the stone molds but i think i will wait until i can get a nice cnc mold...
this was very helpful in what to expect from each type of mold and what finish you get..
i made a open pour swim bait mold and they kept coming out looking floury...(rough surface on master)
ive fixed that and now might try to make an injection mold but i can only make silicone molds
will i get many shots out of a silicone mold or does the heat hurt them to..
Silicone is great for hand pouring..I'd go with the cast aluminum over stone for Injection.
@@WorldsWorstFishing Thanks Chris i really do appreciate all the info you Feed us..
I Was just getting ready to buy my first mold, Thank you for this vid and saving me the money and most importantly the frustration of going with the stone that I was considering. I guess Like almost all things in life ya get what ya pay for. I’d rather save up and buy right and buy once. Instead of getting trash that falls apart. Merica
U always get what ya pay for!
I'm looking to get some Angling ai molds because I like the finish the cnc gives the bait. I'm looking for 1 hand pour and 1-2 injection molds to start. What would you recommend? I'm thinking 5" open pour swimbait and 1 4 inch grub injection with something else.
Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the content
great options..its up to you, whatever shapes you like.
@@WorldsWorstFishing I'm just a total beginner and want to make a good purchase for the first few molds that I get so I can start on the a good path with a lot of options. Struggling to decide what colors I should get to start etc. Been watching your videos for insight trying to get a good plan together
@@BudBrown245 I truly feel like my videos are the best resource for this hobby.
Mr Jones.. Got a question...Total nube here to making baits .. Molds...Are stone molds one in the same with resin molds? Can't find anything that tells me different..
i started using the stone molds and they do stick unless you use worm oil on them. i used the knife to pry on mine when they stuck and snapped the side of the mold off. they are a good starting option for low cost. just got a batch cnc from angling ai. appreciate all of the content and inspiration from your videos!!
Thanks for watching man !
If you clear dip the lures from cast aluminum after injecting them, would that fix the rough finish issue and give a glossy smooth finish?
could you heat finish/polish the do it swimbaits? Just an idea idk if it would work
A heat set would work somewhat
Great comparison. I have a stone mold that I picked up on a deal from somebody with a little finesse worm it shoots OK but there’s nothing like the CNC
Glad I ordered 2 more Angling A.I molds than the cheaper ones, thanks for sharing
Ai is incredible
I jus watched your clip on moulds . ive got a question on who makes cnc moulds and what does a maker typically need to make a mould. I am looking to geta mould to cast my own Mann's. Mosquito Hawk type. Bait, simce the havent been made in years. I got to locate a mold and make my own. I am not going to pay 40.00 for a pack of 12 (when you can findthem on EBay.. Thanks for the entertaining vids.
Thx for this Video Chris
Thanks for watching
Chris, Can you explain the heating up of the molds? Seems I’ve seen the molds on a griddle/hot plate type item, but what is the purpose, etc.
Thanks.
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This was very instructive because I plan to make my own plastics. I saw some mold of good bait, sold by bugmold ... but after your test ... i'm probably not .... after some research, I found CNC plastic mold ... what do you think about it ?
Just sitting down to watch this, didn’t realize you were looking for something to do ta-day! 😂
Never mind... just checked your weather... I wouldn’t have planned a fishing trip either. 😎
Weather wasn't the best today
I used to have do it molds. Harder work to keep dents and bubbles out, cnc are easier. Great video.
Agree!
hey how would i check if a mold has a patent on it to know if i could sell them or not?
Buy from American companies..they generally have done their due diligence on that. Ultimately it's up to you.
I have the bugmolds aluminum molds (just what I chose) they work just fine..
Just have to wait on them to reach you is only down side..
Never got stone molds..great video
I have a few of those stone molds. I use mold release spray you can get at any hardware store. Works 100% better than the oil. They come out of the mold very easy. I will not buy anymore of those because the aluminum ones are alot easier for sure. Thanks for the videos Chris.
Yeah I've heard oil works well and cooking spray..I def didn't have much luck with that swimbait lol
@@WorldsWorstFishing i guess thats how we learn lol. Still was fun to watch.
@@markchase9299 I will modify my casted aluminum molds for better performance, but I most likely will not ever try a stone mold again.
@@WorldsWorstFishing i don't use mine anymore either. I have one of the sand cast too. Was my first one to get my feet wet. Can't wait to see what you do with it.
Hey, someone know where i can find MULTI cavites Albies Snaxx mold and Slug-go one ?
Freaking molds are hard to find ! Same with Jig Head molds... always multi cavities with differents weights. I'm looking for good production mold
thanks in advance !
Have you had any stone molds from the baitmolds website that poured correctly? I just bought 2 from them (baits without a lot of detail) and need to check my drawers after seeing this video. 😯
where do you get your molds?
Hey Chis, as lot of people cannot afford the CNC molds, and may want to get multiple cast "Do It" molds for the price of one CNC mold, I think you'd be doing a great service to both the budget and start-up bait makers by showing various methods to tune/tweak the cast molds, to improve the quality of the baits and make the most out of what may already be affordable or owned. The high temp paint sounded like a good trick. Polishing with a Dremel type tool would be another. Get the "B" rating up to a "B+ or A-". You could use that multiple swimbait mold (granted, a worm or stick bait mold would be easier) and to a different method in each cavity and show the results of each. I think that would be something a lot of people would appreciate. Thanks for this vid. It was valuable information.
Yes I will definitely modify my cast aluminum mold and do a compare and contrast video
Love all the great content, was wondering what camera you use for filming and if maybe you can do a video on your filming setup. Thanks for all the great content!
I use a mirrorless Canon EOS on a tripod.. my filming process is not really all that complicated and would not probably make a very good video
Im a beginner. What are the best but affordable cnc mold brands?
For the Corian/Stone molds, I use a simple silicone spray. It seems to work well.
I’m glad you did this video. I know now that I don’t want a stone mold . Awesome 1v1 video 👊👊👊
Definitely put em both to the test
Is it possible to take a dremmel tool with their polishing pads and apply rubbing compound, then polishing compound and actually get a much smoother finish from the Do-it molds. Also, if you limited your purchase of stone molds to simple worm patterns would they be more successful? Just asking.
how would mixing styrafoam, packing peanuts, that foam they use for fake flowers work in the plastic?
What mold is better a benteto bug or a senko mold?
good video for those trying to decide which molds types to get would like to see a video on curly tail crappie grubs with tails one color and body another keep up the good work on videos very informative
Thanks for watching
Hello ;) I see you've used mica powder, what is the other pigment that you used (the liquid black) ? :)
that Bass tackle ribbon tail is one of my favorite molds to shoot it makes an armature hack like me look like i kinda know what im doing !!
It comes out perfect every single time
Great video...Where do you purchase CNC molds? I want to make shad swim bait lures for salt waters Thank you.
Angling Ai molds
I’ve been using and selling lures using the do-it 3 inch paddle tail mold. I have sends like crazy in the bodys of my baits. I was starting to think it was because of my temperature or error, but it’s great to see it’s not just me lol. Definitely going to invest in some new molds
Dents*
Here is a soft plastic question for you. if you were to melt down and re mold z-man elaztec baits. Would they keep their super stretchy elastic quality and super buoyancy? What about other non plastisol baits? do they keep their qualities after being melted and remolded?
Do you know of a company that makes custom aluminum or C&C molds?
where you can buy aluminum molds
Glad you did this, i was thinking of trying them out but now i can save money
get what you really want!
Yes, I’ve been waiting for this video. Good to know, I won’t be buying the stone. I wouldn’t mind seeing you try a stone mold with it coated with engine block paint. Side note, how do you prevent denting?
Usually injecting at a super low temperature and holding 10 seconds of pressure is the cure for most denting
@@WorldsWorstFishing ok, I’d been doing it at about the 375 mark in a cold mold. I’ll try letting it cool a little bit next time
I'm looking for a good 5" senkos mold any recommendations also i have a couple of plastic baits I would like to get CNC Aluminum molds made do you now anyone that would do it.
Bugmolds.com can duplicate any mold or bait you have or even turn a drawing into a mold. They will do it in stone or aluminum to. You can get multiple cavities with individual sprues or single sprue and a runner. Its a foreign company but they do good work from what I have received. My stone molds catch as much as the aluminum
There are many many options for good CNC aluminum stick worm molds, basically just look at all the mold websites and take your pick..as far as real CNC custom work, you'll probably need to go overseas for that, most American companies don't make much money on custom work.
Can you please tell me the CNC Swimbait mold you used? I NEED that mold!! Thank you
Angling Ai bloodline swimbait mold
Like your video thanks for showing me I got a stone and a 10 in worm molds from do it mold
Which CNC swimbait mold was that? Link if possible
For the stone mold would a lubricant spray work better? Like a silicone one or even wd40? Maybe cooking spray too? Also loved the hammer portion of the video!
The website actually recommends greece, but I would imagine a spray lubricant would work well.. usually worm oil does the trick for these things
I bought my first sinker molds a wail back for a few 100 dollars and some jig molds and they where do it molds and what I do is pour in one pour enough to pay for the mold it’s self but I guess with plastic molds that probably not possible or productive because you don’t want a bunch of the same stuff like you would with weights and jig heads I love having bulk items that actually save me money. But I think am getting more into the hobby and trading saving money for having the versatile to change colors and the add actives and truly make a different bait in the same mold is awesome.
CNC molds for sure. I do use some cast aluminum molds still since thats what I started with before getting molds from angling AI. Great video, keep them up.
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Brother, I need information about making a mold, can you help me?
Great video
What brands are the CNC molds? I'd like to pick 1 up
Go on basstackle.com
What about silicone molds for hand poured baits - go do they rate?
Love em! Have many videos with silicone open pours
I know this is an older video. I do have a special place in my heart for the blue silicone molds. I have better luck pouring a 3 pour worm. I can get the heat just right to split the bloodline on the middle layer. It looks beautiful. Especially with a top smoked color with a split gold dust bloodline, and the bottom smoke. I like how you can add volume to the worm, height wise, without an actual over pour. I've bought 1 piece CNC flats, I can't get those results. I also bought a couple injection molds, they are en route from BTS and and AI. Now I can't find the GOOD injectors with the locking cap. I need a triple with a triple and a double block. I guess pouring flats for the last 25 years has me stuck in my ways. Just need the injectors to start this journey and get with the times.
Been using stone molds for years. Brush Vaseline every 2-3 injections and it works great. Cast molds look great too if you brush Vaseline on as well every few injections.
I have a bunch of the stone molds and I have never oiled them and always get great results i think they are worth the money just my opinion
You are definitely the exception, glad they are working well for you.
@@WorldsWorstFishing or perhaps you need a little bit training to use stone molds, for instance using a brush to oil them and not leaving oil inside tail cavity. To open them a flat screw driver gently twisted in the slot is the right procedure
I use these rock molds all the time! Love them.spray a little pam on table then take a tooth brush dab pam and lightly put on oil with tooth brush every third pour! One swipe up and down with tooth brush and done! Easy peezy! Great molds!
I am glad they work for you..I didn't have much success haha
@@WorldsWorstFishing because there is a training curve to pay
@@MrCami2 well of course..
My 14yr old started making his own baits about a year and a half ago and has 4 or 5 of the stone molds. The first few pours were sticky but then it went away. He's never used any oil. They are only single and double cavity molds and he does use plastisol.
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Thanks for the review, I have ordered and received 5 of the stone molds, I have all the parts now to start pouring / injecting. We will see what happens... not real encouraged about them now...
What is your option on do it molds plastic
have not heard very many good reviews on it.
@@WorldsWorstFishing okay thank you a cool video would be dead on vs do it
Could you polish the cast mold to get a nicer finish?
Awesome video. I actually prefer the do it mold style molds with the hinge on it. I have the same 3.5 ripper mold. I just use a quick clamp and its good to go. I also bought a few stone molds from bug molds. They have any bait you wanna copy almost. Rage bugs, rage craws, sweet beavers you name it.
Yeah I found it very classless for them to be copying patented baits from big American companies.
Agreed. I didnt kno how that was legal but I bought a few to see how they worked and mine came out just fine. I used a toothbrush and a tiny bit of olive oil and no sticking. The cnc molds have a nice shine but I feel that only attracts the fisherman not the fish. The cast aluminum ones have a much more natural look to me.
@@joehadaway5018 that's an interesting perspective, most people are used to using lures off the shelf that came from CNC molds and are shiny, so that's what their confidence is in..but you are correct that a dull finish makes no difference whatsoever in its ability to catch fish
@@WorldsWorstFishing your videos are what gave me and alot of other guys the confidence to try and pour our own baits and we all appreciate it. Super informative and you take the time to respond to people its awesome. Keep up the good work
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Chris, I am surprised that you didn't go that extra step :) dip those rough baits in a clear with something that plays well with textures like a little bit of hypershift or pearl power added. Good demonstration over all. The other n00b item I have been looking at are injectors. There seem to be a wide range of them from DIY copper pipe rigs, to glass syringes, teflon ones and a range of aluminum ones. Including multi injectors that mix sizes (25/75 volume difference for example). And in terms of volume from 40cc and on up.
I've been going through a bunch of Chris' DIY vids and his first choice for injectors seems to be Bass Tackle. www.basstackle.com/category_s/78.htm.
Still doing hand pour for now, but that's my plan if I make a jump to injection.
@@marctheriault definitely bass tackle!
I use Do-It cast molds because I didn't want to buy a $150 mold if it's not something I was going to enjoy doing. From my very limited experience, the worms really aren't a noticeable difference from the cnc molded worms, but where you really notice the difference is in the swim baits and creature baits...
The 350 degrees for the heated plastic is almost 180 celsius right?
I don't know off the top of my head but you can do the conversion online
high temp engine paint i used gloss black in them both and pour very nice in my case
The denting and finish could it sanded out?
Probably not
I have the same ripper molds lol🎣
So what causes dents in the baits?
I have used ceramic/stone molds and they are a pain I think. Have to be very well oiled and they have a dull finish. Never tried a CNC mold.
Yeah stone gave me lots of trouble .
ive noticed my stone molds start to degrade just a tiny bit after a year of moderate use. not all of them though, some have started to kind of erode around the edges but the cavities are still good. I didn't have as much trouble removing them as you did but I oiled them at the beginning however I don't re-oil them all that much....im using small baits though and they probably don't stick as badly. I think they are great for the price but nothing beats a fancy aluminum mold....anyone reading this feel free to buy me some :)
You should try to stick a flat head screw driver in the little notch on the stone mold to pry it open
I have the 3.5 inch ripper cast 3 cavity. You can tell it was casted when you look at the finish on the baits, ill say that.
Could you use pam to oil your molds.
Yes
I actually find a full finish can bring beneficial. I rough up my flukes and some other plastics sometimes to take that sheen off of it and it makes it look more natural I feel like. I know Shad are very glimmery fish but especially when it comes to bluegill colors, green pumpkin and the like, I’ve found it to be effective. So the finish in some cases is not the biggest deal. That said there’s no substitute for the tolerances in a CNC product
I have a stone mold I use cooking spray on it and it works great
I would imagine with a more basic shape I would have had much better luck, but the tails on these are a very tricky design to begin with.. they would undoubtedly have issues even in CNC from time to time.
@@WorldsWorstFishing try again ... with more modesty
@@WorldsWorstFishing do you have a Facebook page I would like to send a pic of a bait I made
On those type of stone molds...Elmer's concrete bond works real well.