I feel like people are only focusing on the negatives more than the positives. There are a lot more positives in the story. I was happy that it subverted my expectations of Kaladin. I was sad when Dalinar died, but it was necessary. Great review.
I actually really respect this take. The subverted expectations is why I think I will like it more on a reread because I will have my expectations set accordingly!
Im very glad to find a review that matched my feelings almost spot on. I loved the book and was surprised when i saw some negative reviews. Agree with you 100% on Jasnah. Regarding Therapy being elementary...Kaladin has only just started getting his own head around how to deal with depression, of course his understanding is going to elementary. Also im certain that most people who complain about the level of therapy would also be the people that would complain if we got deeper into, citing that it shouldnt be a self help book, it should be a fantasy novel. Also if he added more depth, it would increase the word count in an already absurd 1300+ page book. Which people already complain is too long. I felt that the therapy was streamlined for us and that Sanderson found a very nice balance between introducing the themes and not letting it get in the way of the plot. We got enough to get a wise understanding but not too much to overload us. Anyone that uses this atgument is just trying to show off.
Man i couldn’t put into words why the criticism towards kaladin therapy bother me so much but you 100% hit the nail, although i haven’t gone to therapy myself so I suppose i don have the experience to talk about the topic, but from my point of view is insane that people expects kaladin to be a certified therapist after like two weeks of trying to help people with their mental health problems.
This is my favorite stormlight book. I didn’t want to say that at first, to make sure it’s not recency bias, but if you disagree hear me out This book was jam packed with amazing moments. Gav coming out 20 years older, szeth getting pulled into shadesmar for a 2v1 out of nowhere, shallan infiltrating the ghostbloods, kaladin vs nale, adolins ENTIRE arc, jasnah vs odium, taln fighting back And more But the main thing that impressed me was that I found three times where a moment all the way from 13 years ago, the way of kings, became relevant to the plot in this book. Kaladin playing the same song that wit played for him to nale. Odium bringing up the time when jasnah killed three men in the streets of karbrahnth Gav watching Dalinar attack elhokar in the spirit realm
I feel very similarly. I enjoyed the book the whole way through to one extent or another. But at the end I still somewhat felt disapointed that it was not the book I wanted or expected it to be. It is an incredible experience for what it is but it could have (perhaps should have) been so much more.
I was getting through the cognitive realm chapters because of the pacing and seeing where he was going with that, but what was all that for? The contest felt like a lot of build up to not what we expected. Having 3 people give up oaths seems like an odd choice too.
Yeah, in hindsight having Szeth, Sigzil, and Dalinar all give up their oaths was a weird choice and kinda cheapened the big moment when Dalinar did it. I think it could have been cool if Sigzil had a moment where he “knew what he needed to do” but couldn’t do it (kinda like when Kal failed to swear the 4th ideal in OB but this time it’s Sigzil unable to break his bond). This would lead to Vienta’s death and the symbolic death of Sigizil as the leader of the Windrunners and would hint at or foreshadow someone breaking their oaths without actually doing so. Idk, maybe this wouldn’t be a much better change, I just felt that Dalinar breaking his bonds was really the big, awesome moment and it would have been more impactful if the concept was more novel instead of the third time instance of someone breaking their oaths.
You voiced my thoughts on this book very well! As a budding author myself that holds Brando Sando as my idol, I was quite disappointed to see the overexplaining/padding in pretty much everywhere. The mental health stuff didn't concern me much at first, though the more I read, the more some... "off-note" rang in my head about it. Your explanation makes sense. I like the simple prose, but as someone who's been in a critique group that have whacked me on the head many times for over-explanation in my prose (likely because I obtained it from Sanderson), I'm surprised Sanderson (for all his resources and experience) got this much overexplanation through in the last book of his magnum opus. Also I didn't like the Blackthorn thing at the end either. I think I actually scrunched my face up when listening to it. I SHOULD like it. The idea sounds amazing! But eh... Seems cheap to do it so soon after our Dalinar died.
The Jasnah debate was great imo. Yes, she's smarter than that, but Todium played her perfectly to counter or nullify her strengths Giving her warning so she stayed up all night preparing made her go in fatigued, which would have been OK against another smart human, but fatal against a god. Then saying she will make his points for him put her on the back foot, made her doubt and rethink everything she says And lastly he forced her into scholar mode, and we've seen many times how Fen reacts better to straight human emotion and realism than politics and wordy speeches The words in the debate might have had some room for improvement, but the story of it was perfect
Mink is extremely easy to explain…he got away. On your re-read pay attention to tarvangians thoughts at the end. I am hoping it will explain and help us theorize about Mink in SA6. fyi - I understand your frustration because those were my pain points as well. Oh well! Hoping Brandon takes these criticisms and improves on them by hiring a better editor.
Got to massively disagree with most of your points on negative. The whole point of this book is to set the stage for SA6 onwards. You came in as you say yourself with expections you seem to have set based on your own preferences and are bothered that those wasn't met. I really enjoyed the book. Dalinar did die, Ret has just made a copy based on the memories of Dalinar. It's not him. He's very dead. This is a warped clone creature that lacks physical form. The characters being spread was one of my favourite parts of the book. We're not watching a cheesy avengers flick where they all meet up at the end and go "It's Kaladinin time" and we Kaladin all over the big baddy. Oathbringer did do that and it was surprisingly good because it built for a whole book, but it makes sense for this to the Empire Strikes back to our episode IV. I do agree he over explains the feelings at some points, mainly around Renarin and Rlain. It feels very much like straight white man is afraid to be misunderstood when writing an LGBT romance which is a shame when he did Wax and Steris so well. Adolin's whole arc was so good because he wasn't around other radiants. All our MCs are radiant at this stage so makes sense he goes off by himself. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
To add to your Dalinar point, it specifically said that it was basically a cognitive shadow of the Blackthorn that a piece of Dalinar Connected with when he broke the vision and protected Evi.
Thanks for being so respectful about your disagreement! I think this book will go only up in my mind due to my expectations. Because on re-reads I'll have my expectations set accordingly, which will help!
@@CosmereHorizons I think he describes it like a spren - “the Blackthorn… it was a legend…. for things people thought about came alive.” He also describes Dalinar’s soul as slipping away into the Beyond which imo implies either he is dead dead or his soul has been taken up by some other power.
I like the idea of Kaladin helping people but the book bluntly saying he was using therapy and him explicitly telling people let me help you instead of Just talking through kind of made me cringe a bit. I wished that was more polished. Like oh cool Kaladin is performing therapy to those instead of saying explicitly he is doing therapy. Also wtf. I missed the part that Shallan is pregnant. But overall I really liked the book. Especially when Dalinar last words about Oaths vs Promises 😭
Okay yeah see I missed Shallan being pregnant too, read her last POV when she is talking with Thadikar, and the text says things like "She craddled her stomach" or "She had to survive in shadesmar, not just for herself"
I pretty much agree with everything you said. This book was underdeveloped and needed stronger editor and probably couple of extra weeks of polishing. However there were so many great moments and unexpected things I loved! I would also say it’s more positive than negative. Good mid series finale. But yeah it’s a weird book. At one point I enjoyed the Venli chapters at best. Yeah the Lift got cool interlude! Agreed on the main characters. I enjoyed everything you said just not Jasnah. I studied philosophy and that discussion was… not the best handled. He could have had someone to look at it (again, rushed production). But I had larger issues with Jasnah, not feeling any of her chapters. I think he is going to make her believer, maybe even crucial in reforming the Adolnasium. But that’s just my theory. Also my pet peeve but I was so frustrated by Tavanast pov chapters being all caps… it just grinded my gears 😂 Loved the Shinovar story line too! (What are you? I am his therapist! What is that? I have no idea… was so funny IDK). Flawed but cool. So many cool details! So many great moments. I just hope Brandon does get a new and good editor especially for these Stormlight books. Excited for space age era since I grew up on space opera and really liked what he did with Sunlight Man.
"I'm his therapist" I laughed out loud. Kind of cringed, but in hindsight it's just kinda funny. Also I really liked Venli at the beginning of her story. Just wasn't overly fond how it ended. But I totally see where you are coming from. He just sent out a newsletter responding to some of the criticism, check that out on the worldhoppers youtube page.
Great video, nice to see the good and the bad talked about. I agree I'm happy with the story but the book is a mess. ZOMGfantasy channel has a great video about it. Hopefully, Sanderson can get better editing down the line.
Agreed! I actually watched this video which really helped me articulate why the book felt "off". But I also wanted to make a video that acknowledged all the good from the book too.
Biggest let down in all my reading thus far. Id hesitate to give WaT above a 2/5, and thats only because after reading the first four I was invested and liked much of what came before. Now I actually like most of it much less and all together its like some YA entry level fantasy overcomplex nonsense minus any actual depth. WoK was epic, and then the downhill snowball coalesced into this utter disappointment. Hope everyone enjoyed it more than I.
So much great stuff and I mean SO MUCH but put together really clumsily at times. I got really tired of every character over explaining their feelings in such a clinical unnatural way. I like where pretty much every character ends up too but every character is set up in such a cool way at the end of the story that I’m really disappointed we’re gonna skip the next 10 years of these characters lives. Also, as you said, because everyone was separate at the end the sanderlanche didn’t hit anywhere near as hard as previous books
It needed more revisions and just time to bake. Brandon's their BIG author now though and they want to get it pushed out the door. It also had to line up with the Dragonsteel event. I also think we can definitely tell that his long-time editor retired a few years ago. In the end, with Brandon's plan for the cosmere he doesn't really have time to push back books now. I'd love for every book to he a 10/10 but I can understand, especially with this book being essentially the halfway point. Overall, I enjoyed the book. Little too much of a focus on the therapy and stuff. Some modern terms felt odd and characters acted strange at times. But overall I enjoyed it, was easily better than rythym of war but not quite as good as 1-3.
If you’re angry about Rlain & Renarin then you need help…. The book has plenty of issues - poor writing, stupid jokes, predictable events, and some questionable endings Everyone seems to be raving bout Adolin but I didn’t really care about his arc. Could have used more Venli and / or Lift…
@@jasonbrewbaker3932 i didn’t complain about rlain and renarin? I actually loved how their story played out! (Wish we would have gotten more Ba-Ado-Mishram closure) SO EXCITED for stormlight 7 with renarin as the main pov more lift i agree
@@CosmereHorizons yeah it wasn’t directed at you - just the ignorant people I’m seeing online who can’t seem to understand the difference between R & R versus the random other stuff that Sanderson does throw in which seem unnecessary and agenda fulfilling (specifically the trans and non-binary stuff). I too am very excited at the prospect of seeing more of Renarin and Rlain in the back half. But to be honest, the writing quality has gotten so horrible I’m really debating if I want to continue on…
@ drag down? Get a life. Their story/journey was uplifting and touching. I’m glad they found each other….im not sure what about love “dragged” you down
@jasonbrewbaker3932 we just have a large difference in what we're looking for in a series. I really loved the book but I just didn't enjoy the gay love story. You didn't seem to like the book but did enjoy the gay love story. I'm just not interested in reading that kind of stuff. I don't think that's crazy but we can agree to disagree.
SPOILER.... Dalinar did die. Todium couldn't hold onto his soul as it was claimed by an even higher power, mayhap the God Above All? That thing Todium created, the twisted cognitive shadow? That isn't Dalinar or Dalinar reborn as the Black Thorn. That was Todium, feeling defeated and sorry for himself, trying to make himself feel better. Maybe it will become something more, gain it's own freedom and agency, but it reminded me of one of the last scenes from the Penguin finale where Oz has his gf pretend to be his mom and tell him she was proud of him. Todium needed a Dalinar who affirmed his beliefs, fake or not. And I love how Dalinar denied him at the end. More than anything, Todium, and especially the part that is Taravangian, wanted to be right, justifying his cruelty and expediency at committing mass murder for the good of all. His ego couldn't stand being wrong, and that only gets worse as he becomes Todium. That's why he was obsessed with hearing Dalinar admit he was wrong, he needed that validation, not wanted, needed it! And Dalinar not only denied him, he made him realize that even he agreed with Dalinar that on one if not many Dalinar was right and he was wrong. The scene where he wiped out Carbranth was shocking enough, but to find out that he actually saved it, that they were hidden away, because he loved them and couldn't sacrifice them no matter what, the way he wanted to force Dalinar to strike down Gav. He knew then and there he had lost the argument and Dalinar, dead or not, had won.
Yes Dalinar dies in a literal sense, but he will almost certainly have a role in the second half of the books. So did he really die? Or did he just lose his physical form? Cause I for one think Kelsier is very much alive
I thought that book was terrible. Although the books have been steadily declining ever since words of radiance. But this was an all-time low. I’ve read everything Sanderson‘s done up until this point and I’m done
I’m quite surprised about all the negative reviews.
I really enjoyed the book! Thanks for sharing your point of view!
It seems like a lot of content creators are being hyper critical to show they aren't excessively biased.
Nah the book just aint that good on a writing level. @@Dynnen
I feel like people are only focusing on the negatives more than the positives. There are a lot more positives in the story. I was happy that it subverted my expectations of Kaladin. I was sad when Dalinar died, but it was necessary. Great review.
I actually really respect this take. The subverted expectations is why I think I will like it more on a reread because I will have my expectations set accordingly!
Im very glad to find a review that matched my feelings almost spot on. I loved the book and was surprised when i saw some negative reviews. Agree with you 100% on Jasnah. Regarding Therapy being elementary...Kaladin has only just started getting his own head around how to deal with depression, of course his understanding is going to elementary. Also im certain that most people who complain about the level of therapy would also be the people that would complain if we got deeper into, citing that it shouldnt be a self help book, it should be a fantasy novel. Also if he added more depth, it would increase the word count in an already absurd 1300+ page book. Which people already complain is too long. I felt that the therapy was streamlined for us and that Sanderson found a very nice balance between introducing the themes and not letting it get in the way of the plot. We got enough to get a wise understanding but not too much to overload us. Anyone that uses this atgument is just trying to show off.
Actually that's a really good point with Kaladin being new to therapy!
Man i couldn’t put into words why the criticism towards kaladin therapy bother me so much but you 100% hit the nail, although i haven’t gone to therapy myself so I suppose i don have the experience to talk about the topic, but from my point of view is insane that people expects kaladin to be a certified therapist after like two weeks of trying to help people with their mental health problems.
He could of lwft a lot of things out. Many times I asked myself why are we reading...is this really what we are talking about in the final.
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Great review! Can’t believe it’s only your 2nd video!
Thank you so much! There is much more to come!
This is my favorite stormlight book. I didn’t want to say that at first, to make sure it’s not recency bias, but if you disagree hear me out
This book was jam packed with amazing moments. Gav coming out 20 years older, szeth getting pulled into shadesmar for a 2v1 out of nowhere, shallan infiltrating the ghostbloods, kaladin vs nale, adolins ENTIRE arc, jasnah vs odium, taln fighting back
And more
But the main thing that impressed me was that I found three times where a moment all the way from 13 years ago, the way of kings, became relevant to the plot in this book.
Kaladin playing the same song that wit played for him to nale.
Odium bringing up the time when jasnah killed three men in the streets of karbrahnth
Gav watching Dalinar attack elhokar in the spirit realm
Yes! 100% agree with your opinions on Adolin, you put my feelings about his arc to words perfectly!
Great review - I loved the book. Glad to see the new channel pop up.
Thank you!! Welcome aboard!
I feel very similarly. I enjoyed the book the whole way through to one extent or another. But at the end I still somewhat felt disapointed that it was not the book I wanted or expected it to be. It is an incredible experience for what it is but it could have (perhaps should have) been so much more.
I was getting through the cognitive realm chapters because of the pacing and seeing where he was going with that, but what was all that for? The contest felt like a lot of build up to not what we expected. Having 3 people give up oaths seems like an odd choice too.
Yeah, in hindsight having Szeth, Sigzil, and Dalinar all give up their oaths was a weird choice and kinda cheapened the big moment when Dalinar did it. I think it could have been cool if Sigzil had a moment where he “knew what he needed to do” but couldn’t do it (kinda like when Kal failed to swear the 4th ideal in OB but this time it’s Sigzil unable to break his bond). This would lead to Vienta’s death and the symbolic death of Sigizil as the leader of the Windrunners and would hint at or foreshadow someone breaking their oaths without actually doing so. Idk, maybe this wouldn’t be a much better change, I just felt that Dalinar breaking his bonds was really the big, awesome moment and it would have been more impactful if the concept was more novel instead of the third time instance of someone breaking their oaths.
You voiced my thoughts on this book very well! As a budding author myself that holds Brando Sando as my idol, I was quite disappointed to see the overexplaining/padding in pretty much everywhere. The mental health stuff didn't concern me much at first, though the more I read, the more some... "off-note" rang in my head about it. Your explanation makes sense. I like the simple prose, but as someone who's been in a critique group that have whacked me on the head many times for over-explanation in my prose (likely because I obtained it from Sanderson), I'm surprised Sanderson (for all his resources and experience) got this much overexplanation through in the last book of his magnum opus.
Also I didn't like the Blackthorn thing at the end either. I think I actually scrunched my face up when listening to it. I SHOULD like it. The idea sounds amazing! But eh... Seems cheap to do it so soon after our Dalinar died.
This looks like a new channel. And I gotta say you've hit the ground running. Great Video!! I look forward to seeing what else you put out. Subbed!
I am new! Thanks man, I truly appreciate the kind words! Stay tuned, I got good things in the works.
The Jasnah debate was great imo. Yes, she's smarter than that, but Todium played her perfectly to counter or nullify her strengths
Giving her warning so she stayed up all night preparing made her go in fatigued, which would have been OK against another smart human, but fatal against a god.
Then saying she will make his points for him put her on the back foot, made her doubt and rethink everything she says
And lastly he forced her into scholar mode, and we've seen many times how Fen reacts better to straight human emotion and realism than politics and wordy speeches
The words in the debate might have had some room for improvement, but the story of it was perfect
Yeah authors need to learn to let characters die. It's better that way.
Mink is extremely easy to explain…he got away. On your re-read pay attention to tarvangians thoughts at the end. I am hoping it will explain and help us theorize about Mink in SA6. fyi - I understand your frustration because those were my pain points as well. Oh well! Hoping Brandon takes these criticisms and improves on them by hiring a better editor.
I liked it,but I’m distraught about waiting until 2033 for the next Stormlight book.
@@BoilingKoolaid Check out my what’s next for stormlight video! (Also stormlight 6 will be 2031 according to Brandon!)
Got to massively disagree with most of your points on negative. The whole point of this book is to set the stage for SA6 onwards. You came in as you say yourself with expections you seem to have set based on your own preferences and are bothered that those wasn't met. I really enjoyed the book.
Dalinar did die, Ret has just made a copy based on the memories of Dalinar. It's not him. He's very dead. This is a warped clone creature that lacks physical form.
The characters being spread was one of my favourite parts of the book. We're not watching a cheesy avengers flick where they all meet up at the end and go "It's Kaladinin time" and we Kaladin all over the big baddy. Oathbringer did do that and it was surprisingly good because it built for a whole book, but it makes sense for this to the Empire Strikes back to our episode IV.
I do agree he over explains the feelings at some points, mainly around Renarin and Rlain. It feels very much like straight white man is afraid to be misunderstood when writing an LGBT romance which is a shame when he did Wax and Steris so well.
Adolin's whole arc was so good because he wasn't around other radiants. All our MCs are radiant at this stage so makes sense he goes off by himself.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Dalinar isnt dead. When it was stated he had been claimed by another, I think it’s safe to assume he may be taking up a different Shard.
To add to your Dalinar point, it specifically said that it was basically a cognitive shadow of the Blackthorn that a piece of Dalinar Connected with when he broke the vision and protected Evi.
Thanks for being so respectful about your disagreement!
I think this book will go only up in my mind due to my expectations. Because on re-reads I'll have my expectations set accordingly, which will help!
idk, it feels like making the argument that Thadikar isn't Keliser, by saying the Blackthorn isn't Dalinar
Which I guess is an argument you COULD make
@@CosmereHorizons I think he describes it like a spren - “the Blackthorn… it was a legend…. for things people thought about came alive.” He also describes Dalinar’s soul as slipping away into the Beyond which imo implies either he is dead dead or his soul has been taken up by some other power.
I like the idea of Kaladin helping people but the book bluntly saying he was using therapy and him explicitly telling people let me help you instead of
Just talking through kind of made me cringe a bit. I wished that was more polished. Like oh cool Kaladin is performing therapy to those instead of saying explicitly he is doing therapy.
Also wtf. I missed the part that Shallan is pregnant.
But overall I really liked the book. Especially when Dalinar last words about Oaths vs Promises 😭
Okay yeah see I missed Shallan being pregnant too, read her last POV when she is talking with Thadikar, and the text says things like "She craddled her stomach" or "She had to survive in shadesmar, not just for herself"
There was a reason for the shower sex scene early on.
I pretty much agree with everything you said. This book was underdeveloped and needed stronger editor and probably couple of extra weeks of polishing. However there were so many great moments and unexpected things I loved! I would also say it’s more positive than negative. Good mid series finale.
But yeah it’s a weird book. At one point I enjoyed the Venli chapters at best. Yeah the Lift got cool interlude!
Agreed on the main characters. I enjoyed everything you said just not Jasnah. I studied philosophy and that discussion was… not the best handled. He could have had someone to look at it (again, rushed production). But I had larger issues with Jasnah, not feeling any of her chapters. I think he is going to make her believer, maybe even crucial in reforming the Adolnasium. But that’s just my theory.
Also my pet peeve but I was so frustrated by Tavanast pov chapters being all caps… it just grinded my gears 😂
Loved the Shinovar story line too! (What are you? I am his therapist! What is that? I have no idea… was so funny IDK).
Flawed but cool. So many cool details! So many great moments.
I just hope Brandon does get a new and good editor especially for these Stormlight books.
Excited for space age era since I grew up on space opera and really liked what he did with Sunlight Man.
"I'm his therapist" I laughed out loud. Kind of cringed, but in hindsight it's just kinda funny.
Also I really liked Venli at the beginning of her story. Just wasn't overly fond how it ended. But I totally see where you are coming from.
He just sent out a newsletter responding to some of the criticism, check that out on the worldhoppers youtube page.
I love the fan boy energy 😁
lol
Great video, nice to see the good and the bad talked about. I agree I'm happy with the story but the book is a mess. ZOMGfantasy channel has a great video about it. Hopefully, Sanderson can get better editing down the line.
Agreed! I actually watched this video which really helped me articulate why the book felt "off". But I also wanted to make a video that acknowledged all the good from the book too.
Biggest let down in all my reading thus far. Id hesitate to give WaT above a 2/5, and thats only because after reading the first four I was invested and liked much of what came before. Now I actually like most of it much less and all together its like some YA entry level fantasy overcomplex nonsense minus any actual depth. WoK was epic, and then the downhill snowball coalesced into this utter disappointment. Hope everyone enjoyed it more than I.
So much great stuff and I mean SO MUCH but put together really clumsily at times. I got really tired of every character over explaining their feelings in such a clinical unnatural way. I like where pretty much every character ends up too but every character is set up in such a cool way at the end of the story that I’m really disappointed we’re gonna skip the next 10 years of these characters lives. Also, as you said, because everyone was separate at the end the sanderlanche didn’t hit anywhere near as hard as previous books
It needed more revisions and just time to bake. Brandon's their BIG author now though and they want to get it pushed out the door. It also had to line up with the Dragonsteel event. I also think we can definitely tell that his long-time editor retired a few years ago.
In the end, with Brandon's plan for the cosmere he doesn't really have time to push back books now. I'd love for every book to he a 10/10 but I can understand, especially with this book being essentially the halfway point.
Overall, I enjoyed the book. Little too much of a focus on the therapy and stuff. Some modern terms felt odd and characters acted strange at times. But overall I enjoyed it, was easily better than rythym of war but not quite as good as 1-3.
If you’re angry about Rlain & Renarin then you need help….
The book has plenty of issues - poor writing, stupid jokes, predictable events, and some questionable endings
Everyone seems to be raving bout Adolin but I didn’t really care about his arc. Could have used more Venli and / or Lift…
@@jasonbrewbaker3932 i didn’t complain about rlain and renarin? I actually loved how their story played out! (Wish we would have gotten more Ba-Ado-Mishram closure) SO EXCITED for stormlight 7 with renarin as the main pov
more lift i agree
I'm not mad about it, but it's definitely a way to drag down an amazing book (in my opinion) to put a gay love story in the middle of it.
@@CosmereHorizons yeah it wasn’t directed at you - just the ignorant people I’m seeing online who can’t seem to understand the difference between R & R versus the random other stuff that Sanderson does throw in which seem unnecessary and agenda fulfilling (specifically the trans and non-binary stuff).
I too am very excited at the prospect of seeing more of Renarin and Rlain in the back half. But to be honest, the writing quality has gotten so horrible I’m really debating if I want to continue on…
@ drag down? Get a life. Their story/journey was uplifting and touching. I’m glad they found each other….im not sure what about love “dragged” you down
@jasonbrewbaker3932 we just have a large difference in what we're looking for in a series. I really loved the book but I just didn't enjoy the gay love story. You didn't seem to like the book but did enjoy the gay love story. I'm just not interested in reading that kind of stuff. I don't think that's crazy but we can agree to disagree.
SPOILER....
Dalinar did die. Todium couldn't hold onto his soul as it was claimed by an even higher power, mayhap the God Above All? That thing Todium created, the twisted cognitive shadow? That isn't Dalinar or Dalinar reborn as the Black Thorn. That was Todium, feeling defeated and sorry for himself, trying to make himself feel better. Maybe it will become something more, gain it's own freedom and agency, but it reminded me of one of the last scenes from the Penguin finale where Oz has his gf pretend to be his mom and tell him she was proud of him. Todium needed a Dalinar who affirmed his beliefs, fake or not. And I love how Dalinar denied him at the end. More than anything, Todium, and especially the part that is Taravangian, wanted to be right, justifying his cruelty and expediency at committing mass murder for the good of all. His ego couldn't stand being wrong, and that only gets worse as he becomes Todium. That's why he was obsessed with hearing Dalinar admit he was wrong, he needed that validation, not wanted, needed it! And Dalinar not only denied him, he made him realize that even he agreed with Dalinar that on one if not many Dalinar was right and he was wrong. The scene where he wiped out Carbranth was shocking enough, but to find out that he actually saved it, that they were hidden away, because he loved them and couldn't sacrifice them no matter what, the way he wanted to force Dalinar to strike down Gav. He knew then and there he had lost the argument and Dalinar, dead or not, had won.
I love how the book paints taravangian as a hypocrite and a narcissist that believes he must be right at any cost, what a character.
Yes Dalinar dies in a literal sense, but he will almost certainly have a role in the second half of the books. So did he really die? Or did he just lose his physical form? Cause I for one think Kelsier is very much alive
I thought that book was terrible. Although the books have been steadily declining ever since words of radiance. But this was an all-time low. I’ve read everything Sanderson‘s done up until this point and I’m done
Same here I'll ready his old stuff before this marvelization and cosmere nonsense
You didn't like how horny they 2 men were? Lol
I felt like it was alot of virtue signaling even with like not taking the power.
Yes it is. Sanderson had potential here and then he woked it right up.
can you elaborate on what you mean by “he woked it right up”?
LMAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you a goober
I hated it . What a let down
Sugma 😂 kaladin went hard as fuck