Personally, I think the solution to storytelling in video games is to not think of it as a balance between gameplay and story. Instead, merge them together and treat them as one. Tell the story through the gameplay. That is one of the goals behind the game I’m working on. The character gains the ability to bring their memories back into reality. The memory manifestation mechanic is used for puzzle solving and platforming, and additionally, it tells the story of the character’s life directly through the gameplay interaction of remembering. I hope to see more developers push the boundaries of what can be said/felt/explored through gameplay rather than relying completely on traditional storytelling methods.
I've played some indie games before that have great story and balance it just fine with the gameplay. Even in a minimalist type of story, there can be a great amount of emotion conveyed through artstyle and music (one of the games I played focused on art and music, and it was amazing).
Personally don't think creating the gameplay first is always a requirement if some other important steps are taken beforehand. Firstly I believe any fun story will automatically produce good game ideas if you know how to translate story into interactive ideas. My opinion also is creators should purposely write stories that easily opens itself up to game concepts, and don't make a brick wall between the story & game elements as if they exist in separate realities. Everything should flow into each other naturally. For a personal example, when the main character in my adventure game project gets defeated, I don't just popup a generic gameover screen... because besides the fact I prefer whimsical ideas, I don't want the character to be able to die in lore... so instead I have a short revival minigame start up where you have to heal the character before you can continue. But point here is creators just need to try thinking outside the box more with fusing the game & storytelling together, and don't worry much if it is something other creators would do. SideNote: I actually prefer to create my character concepts before everything else! For me making flashy surreal character designs strongly leads to fun ideas for the other parts! xD
So hyped to play your game some day!!! Man, how have your videos always been so engaging and well structured... It's awesome to have been here for so long, and though I loved the game review/recommendation videos, this focus on game development has been genuinely great to watch and learn from! love the honesty about nintendo (totk) lmao
Pie! Thanks for the kind words man 😄 as much as I will always love those videos on nostalgic games, I’ve really fallen in love with the game dev community. Thanks for being here since the beginning, when Reality Box finally releases one day I’ll make sure to personally send you a copy 🫶
I recommend to play SANABI (or watch it on YT if you bad at platformers). This game while being a platformer has very good (the best in my experience) embedded storytelling.
I tend to go lore first, then story and theoretical gameplay. Writing and designing systems is the easier part for me, but I'm still lacking the skill to actually make the games. (I am learning though) I have a lot of written out systems and mechanics, just need to be able to make them into the actual games. One day though! Probably in 2025.
Really like all your advices. But I also think it depends, what kind of game someone wants to make. If one makes a typical farming sim, like harvest moon or stardew valley the story might actually be the unique selling point, while the gameplay would probably be more typical for a farming. While on the other hand a platformer like gris tells the story through mimic and overall art. Games like skyrim are just filled with little storys and big ones. And even today ppl find new hidden storys or easter eggs. I had an idea, roughly about the story. I wanted to make a regular farming sim, but with a grand story. Which is tough, because normally if a player is done with the story ones is done with the game. So thats a mammoth project on my hands😂 But otherwise the video shows some really good poonters that i should write down. Never know when one might need them.
that's odd, i always thought the most weak aspect of majority of the games - gameplay (game design), it's always seemed to me that devs are forgetting they are devs and not only an artists, who creates a story with zero gameplay (walking simulator/boring clicker)
Am making stupid ass simple beat em up platformer and there is a story that only serves as motivation for main characters - and am gonna build it in a way where it works as stand-alone but in case i do want to make more games (or other media) in same world i can easily expand it and bring back background elements from 1st game to front light on the sequels. I don't think my story is great... pretty simple "2 parties are fighting over x" kinda thing... on 1st game it barely matters as it wouldn't serve gameplay. But on follow up games i might make story more meaningful, add some twists, bring 3rd party to break the very basic "good" vs "evil" setting. But i do leave door open so i can leave this world and move on to work for something else in case i just don't wanna work on it anymore. I hope i can always make room for both for all my future projects (unless i wanna 100% keep it as stand alone) - this gives me freedom to move between projects and i wouldn't be disappointing potential fans by leaving them on cliffhanger - so i don't break any promises. (I also am firm believer of indie devs undercapitalizing on sequels - there are ways to fail doing them [for example by taking too long between releases while using a number in the title] but there are also great ways to use existing characters, universe, story, other assets etc to sell something familiar and that has been proven to work in past already)
Gameplay IS way more important than story, story isn't even required. Some of the best games have had minimal or no story. On the other hand a great story with weak/no gameplay, the game aspect is largely just getting in the way.
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joke's on you buster i don't even HAVE an indie game. It has me
Your art is insanely good c:
@@frol3z you’re too kind! Thank you :D
Personally, I think the solution to storytelling in video games is to not think of it as a balance between gameplay and story. Instead, merge them together and treat them as one. Tell the story through the gameplay.
That is one of the goals behind the game I’m working on. The character gains the ability to bring their memories back into reality. The memory manifestation mechanic is used for puzzle solving and platforming, and additionally, it tells the story of the character’s life directly through the gameplay interaction of remembering.
I hope to see more developers push the boundaries of what can be said/felt/explored through gameplay rather than relying completely on traditional storytelling methods.
I've played some indie games before that have great story and balance it just fine with the gameplay. Even in a minimalist type of story, there can be a great amount of emotion conveyed through artstyle and music (one of the games I played focused on art and music, and it was amazing).
Personally don't think creating the gameplay first is always a requirement if some other important steps are taken beforehand. Firstly I believe any fun story will automatically produce good game ideas if you know how to translate story into interactive ideas. My opinion also is creators should purposely write stories that easily opens itself up to game concepts, and don't make a brick wall between the story & game elements as if they exist in separate realities. Everything should flow into each other naturally.
For a personal example, when the main character in my adventure game project gets defeated, I don't just popup a generic gameover screen... because besides the fact I prefer whimsical ideas, I don't want the character to be able to die in lore... so instead I have a short revival minigame start up where you have to heal the character before you can continue. But point here is creators just need to try thinking outside the box more with fusing the game & storytelling together, and don't worry much if it is something other creators would do.
SideNote: I actually prefer to create my character concepts before everything else! For me making flashy surreal character designs strongly leads to fun ideas for the other parts! xD
So hyped to play your game some day!!!
Man, how have your videos always been so engaging and well structured...
It's awesome to have been here for so long, and though I loved the game review/recommendation videos, this focus on game development has been genuinely great to watch and learn from!
love the honesty about nintendo (totk) lmao
Pie! Thanks for the kind words man 😄 as much as I will always love those videos on nostalgic games, I’ve really fallen in love with the game dev community. Thanks for being here since the beginning, when Reality Box finally releases one day I’ll make sure to personally send you a copy 🫶
I believe in u! thanks
ayo bruv your examples and analogies are pretty good. Hope more indie devs find this video.
Even if my story ends up kinda dookie, I want it to be fun and off the wall
Love that!
I recommend to play SANABI (or watch it on YT if you bad at platformers). This game while being a platformer has very good (the best in my experience) embedded storytelling.
Thank you. This was informative!
Awesome tips! Love the video
Hope you're enjoying the process of making your game even more than I'm loving learning about your process❤
I tend to go lore first, then story and theoretical gameplay. Writing and designing systems is the easier part for me, but I'm still lacking the skill to actually make the games. (I am learning though)
I have a lot of written out systems and mechanics, just need to be able to make them into the actual games. One day though! Probably in 2025.
Really like all your advices.
But I also think it depends, what kind of game someone wants to make.
If one makes a typical farming sim, like harvest moon or stardew valley the story might actually be the unique selling point, while the gameplay would probably be more typical for a farming.
While on the other hand a platformer like gris tells the story through mimic and overall art.
Games like skyrim are just filled with little storys and big ones. And even today ppl find new hidden storys or easter eggs.
I had an idea, roughly about the story. I wanted to make a regular farming sim, but with a grand story. Which is tough, because normally if a player is done with the story ones is done with the game. So thats a mammoth project on my hands😂
But otherwise the video shows some really good poonters that i should write down. Never know when one might need them.
that's odd, i always thought the most weak aspect of majority of the games - gameplay (game design), it's always seemed to me that devs are forgetting they are devs and not only an artists, who creates a story with zero gameplay (walking simulator/boring clicker)
How dare you roast my game's story
I'm making an action game, where story doesnt matter, but I have a great freaking story. At least I think so.
Am making stupid ass simple beat em up platformer and there is a story that only serves as motivation for main characters - and am gonna build it in a way where it works as stand-alone but in case i do want to make more games (or other media) in same world i can easily expand it and bring back background elements from 1st game to front light on the sequels.
I don't think my story is great... pretty simple "2 parties are fighting over x" kinda thing... on 1st game it barely matters as it wouldn't serve gameplay. But on follow up games i might make story more meaningful, add some twists, bring 3rd party to break the very basic "good" vs "evil" setting. But i do leave door open so i can leave this world and move on to work for something else in case i just don't wanna work on it anymore.
I hope i can always make room for both for all my future projects (unless i wanna 100% keep it as stand alone) - this gives me freedom to move between projects and i wouldn't be disappointing potential fans by leaving them on cliffhanger - so i don't break any promises. (I also am firm believer of indie devs undercapitalizing on sequels - there are ways to fail doing them [for example by taking too long between releases while using a number in the title] but there are also great ways to use existing characters, universe, story, other assets etc to sell something familiar and that has been proven to work in past already)
@@KummoDeveloper I'm making an SHMUP
Is that Luce?
Hype 🙌
>>Your Indie Game’s Story (probably) Sucks
Yeah! I don't wanna to make story games at all because I can't write a good story. :')
what I learned: I'm hungry xD
11:08 ¿what game is this?Thanks
It's called Subnautica Below Zero!
@@apoxfoxthanks
quirky indie rpg with a whole bunch of gameplay that does nothing and is meta for no reason other than for lets plays
Gameplay IS way more important than story, story isn't even required. Some of the best games have had minimal or no story. On the other hand a great story with weak/no gameplay, the game aspect is largely just getting in the way.