Interested in comparing the YT Capra Pro Race with five other long-travel 27.5ers? Check out the full Bible of Bike Tests: Summer Camp here: bikem.co/killingtonsc
right..... i dont get either why they dont get their facts straight or what they are feeling on the trail..... they also said that the transition patrol is the most progressive bike which has a nearly linear kinematic.
I have had my YT capra pro race for 3 months and came from a Giant Reign carbon with the factory fox suspension as the YT. The YT is 3 miles / hour through a tree section with 6 inches either side off the handle bars so no room for mistakes and 25 mph. I put this down to carbon rims my first. The x2 shock is very progressive and am running no volume spacers to get full travel and can hit stuff much harder than the Reign. I didn't run the eleven rear cassette but switched straight to Sram eagle 12 speed and Raceface carbon bars and 33 mm stem which is super fast but feels great. The code brakes are good but to much free play even with RSC adjustment so made two shims from alloy 0.3mm the same shape as the pads and took out the organic pads as there crap and put in sram sintered and superb and better feel. As I feel the guide brakes I ran last year where better except when they got very hot. I run shimano xt 203 ice tech discs as they take a beating and been running them for 5 years and they don't warp. I run maxis tyre minion dhf and Schwalbe rock razor rear in the dry tubles with stans race sealant. The fox forks are 36mm 180mm and have the modified bump stop inside and are superb and easy to service with no volume spacers but MRP ramp control with 60 psi and on my circuit bottom out once so using full travel and can adjust the last bit off the travel for wet or dry conditions with ramp control instead of LSC damping as the weather here in N/Ireland it rains a lot.
It is about time we got a review on the best bike in the world. I had a Capra 27 for two years and now a Jeffsy pro race 27. I wanted to get this bike but it sold out in two weeks. I talked my endodontist into getting this bike and he is stoked on it. That rear shock takes some significant set up skills. Once you get it dialed in it is the best thing ever. Everyone I know that has this bike says that it climbs great. This bikes is almost completely sold out in the carbon models. I think this bike might be better in the CF of the CF pro for most people as the shock set up will be easier to set up and not so DH focused. The quality for value that YT offers is something you just can not beat. I can not see myself spending 10,000 for an Ibis, pivot or Santa Cruz. I hope more high end bikes become direct sale. I think this bike blow away anything else and that is why it is sold out. I have never seen this much demand for a bike in my 30 years of riding. Yes Will this makes you question what is value for money.
Red Ant I have but not the race. Awesome bikes and can’t be beaten for $ but the nomad is so good... I built my own and yes it wasn’t cheap but I don’t regret it for a second.
I think along with testing the top spec models of bikes you guys should test the baseline bikes of the same model. Since 99 percent of us will never afford most the bikes on the test it would be nice to know what the same geometry feels like with a spec normal people can afford!
The Capra CF with this same frame, top shelf suspension from rock shox, top end alloy build for 3699? Why the hell would anyone buy an alloy Bronson with NX and a garbage build for the same price.
Thank you for posting this! Interesting to see some of the differences between the pro race and my 2018 AL comp, which climbs pretty well considering the travel. Stoked on the new xxl size too
Hey guys... Sorry but you are wrong... If you test the Capra with the Rockshox Super Deluxe RT3 and tou put the lever in the firm setting it doesn't bob a milimiter... I have a Capra Al 27 Comp and it is fantastic... Keep on shredding
Have you been to your local Santa Cruz or Pivot dealer. Those bikes are not moving and available. Almost every carbon capra is sold out. The pro race models sold out in two weeks. The Jeffsy is a sick bike too and I think it outperforms the Bronson. People still have no clue and keep buying these over rated bikes. Evil actually raised priced. Intense is getting smart and has gone rider direct. Bike shops will still help you out and will not refuse you service if you have a consumer direct brand. I am not a doctor or a lawyer and YT has made it possible for me to get a top shelf bike for half the price.
Ok I see people saying Nomad or the Capra? What is the best suspension platform out there?? And keep in mind I am coming from a Foes and love my MIXER!!
as of right now i am trying to get a yt jeffsy 27.5 al but they are out of stock on all bikes atm, does anyone have an idea of when the bikes will be back in stock and how long it should roughly take to ship?
Aiden Baker - Yup Im thinking of Nomad too. I have a Capra 2016 it’s just too progressive for me that the ride is a little harsh given that it has 165mm travel. I’m looking to get a new long travel bike.
Norkis Serrano you won’t be disappointed with the nomad. Easily the best bike I’ve owned and I’ve had a few... the build quality, ride and warranty is worth the $ in my opinion. I’ve got a dhx2 on mine and it’s ridiculous
@@norkisserrano Just put a coil shock on the Capra instead, It works PERFECT! Have a DHX RC4 on mine now and WOW! That was what it needed.. extremely plush and WILL also use all travel...
Nice buy! I am also on the fence between a torque and Capra but in AL. Torque does seem like even better value for money. How does the beast pedal uphill ? Happy shreding!
@@LaVale- it pedals really good ! It is my first full suspension mtb so I cant compare it to other bikes but I am comming from a hardtail and I can still pedal up the hills I pedaled up bevore. I also made a 30km mtb trip with over 800 of height meters and it was no problem.
@@leonvoit3597 Thanks for informative reply!! Definitely made me even more positive about choosing a Torque. My poor xc full susser hates me more and more for the Bikepark abuse it gets lately 😂. Enjoy your bike and keep shredding !
Capra linear? Are you sure you got your "feelings" right? The suspension of the Capra, ignoring the shock tune, is one of the most progressive out there. For some real numbers: linkagedesign.blogspot.com/2018/02/ytalent-capra-275-2018.html Stefan Willared, the CTO of YT, confirmed that the bike is designed to work also with a coil shock. They just decreased a little bit the progressivity compared with the previous model as it was too progressive (75% - this is freeride territory). Same for the new Tues, as even Gwin, know for liking very progressive frames, thought it was too progressive. So you might want to check your shock setup if you feel Capra is linear or "not poppy".
@@erod6468 It's just basic geometry, not some spooky quantum physics. It all depends on the pivots placements. So I am not sure what you mean with on paper vs real... For me also in real Capra has plenty progressivity, I run it with coil (linear) and only bottomed out a few times in 5 years.
@@dit4963 I hit it hard up and down my local trails and bike parks and it was very linear. I sold it, bought a Evil insurgent MX and it's night and day in progressivity. Bottoming out has nothing to do with a "progressive" or "linear" suspension per se lmao! Yes, progressive suspensions will have more resistance to bottoming out, but it does not mean you cannot bottom out. Progressive in mathematical terms just means an exponential curve, whereas Linear means more a constant or straight line. That is the reason why anti squat was virtually non existent on my old Capra forcing me to reach for the lock out on any climbs whatsoever, while it is not the case with my Insurgent MX. On paper, the suspension on the capra was supposed to be very progressive, but it really was not when I rode it and setup my suspension. The suspension "lever" design on my Evil is so much more a contributing factor towards progressivity and I don't ever lock out my rear suspension except in the steepest of climbs. As someone who owned the capra, it just wasn't very progressive is all. That being said, it was a fun and cool bike. Have a good one and ride on.
@@dit4963 also, like you said, "it's just basic geometry, not some quantum physics" . Lmao! You're literally proving my point. On paper it seems it would have been progressive, but in the field, it was not.
@@erod6468 What? You mumbled a lot of nonsense out there... Bottoming out has nothing to do with a "progressive" or "linear" (except...a lot) , you mixed leverage ratio with anti-squat (they are 2 totally different things) and no, I did not prove your point lmao. Anyway, loosing time, have fun!
I ride the 170mm smallest model and I didn't find anything yet that it couldn't eat, even in climb it isn't that bad. This a a fucking machine, but yes but downhill oriented and should be treated as such
Climbing on wellpacked dirt didn't caused me any problem, on more techy climb, you can definitely feel the 170mm in the back though. I'll rent a Chockwiz to try and get the best of my rear suspension, if not, it's still possible to upgrade toward a Fox X2 with a climbing mode. Weight didn't caused me much problem either, but keep in mind it's my first enduro bike and I never rode a trail bike in the 140mm so I don't have much to compare with. Hope it helps!
Thanks brother! This is always my concern on Enduro rig, the climbing capability. Capra or Tracer expert are my choices and with the price tag Capra has more killer value.
If you have the budget, at least go for the AL comp model which feature the RCT3 fork and Super Deluxe RC3, lower model do lack adjustments in the suspension. You also upgrade bar, headset & crankset as well as the brakes for Code RS. I think it was 700$ more than the lower model. Carbon models are prob great but the lower one$$ is in the 6K range with taxes/shipping
Yeah bruh, poppy flicky bikes are rad af....fkn quiver bike amirite? I only shred gnar, so I need the best pedaling characteristics to get over all that chatter and chunder, know what I'm sayin dude bruhs? When you're climbing some wicked ele, there ain't nothing like the suppleness of a 16 year gymnast underneath you. Let's be real tho, that dude on the right only rides downhill....ain't no way that gut going up...even on a switch infinity with threaded bb...
Compared to other top brands bikes with simular kit, capra is by miles much less expensive. For comparison: Specialized Enduro S-Works coasts about 10k
Interested in comparing the YT Capra Pro Race with five other long-travel 27.5ers? Check out the full Bible of Bike Tests: Summer Camp here: bikem.co/killingtonsc
That beer's getting warm, just sitting there.
I don't think i have ever seen footage of these guys climbing in the saddle.
Carl Howe lmfao they must love to bust nuts
Steven Goggans In all seriousness though bikes are designed to be climbed in the saddle. To judge them out of it is kinda stupid.
This bike ain't linear. This is one of the most progressive bikes out there.
right..... i dont get either why they dont get their facts straight or what they are feeling on the trail..... they also said that the transition patrol is the most progressive bike which has a nearly linear kinematic.
i am assuming they are reviewing shock tunes instead of bikes.....the patrol should have a much firmer tune
I was thinking the same. Yt frames are known to be most progressive.
th-cam.com/video/SNl2beu1AWM/w-d-xo.html
2016 frame but not much has changed
I know that they did make it a little more linear than before but the last model was by far the most progressive bike.
I have had my YT capra pro race for 3 months and came from a Giant Reign carbon with the factory fox suspension as the YT. The YT is 3 miles / hour through a tree section with 6 inches either side off the handle bars so no room for mistakes and 25 mph. I put this down to carbon rims my first. The x2 shock is very progressive and am running no volume spacers to get full travel and can hit stuff much harder than the Reign. I didn't run the eleven rear cassette but switched straight to Sram eagle 12 speed and Raceface carbon bars and 33 mm stem which is super fast but feels great. The code brakes are good but to much free play even with RSC adjustment so made two shims from alloy 0.3mm the same shape as the pads and took out the organic pads as there crap and put in sram sintered and superb and better feel. As I feel the guide brakes I ran last year where better except when they got very hot. I run shimano xt 203 ice tech discs as they take a beating and been running them for 5 years and they don't warp. I run maxis tyre minion dhf and Schwalbe rock razor rear in the dry tubles with stans race sealant. The fox forks are 36mm 180mm and have the modified bump stop inside and are superb and easy to service with no volume spacers but MRP ramp control with 60 psi and on my circuit bottom out once so using full travel and can adjust the last bit off the travel for wet or dry conditions with ramp control instead of LSC damping as the weather here in N/Ireland it rains a lot.
It is about time we got a review on the best bike in the world. I had a Capra 27 for two years and now a Jeffsy pro race 27. I wanted to get this bike but it sold out in two weeks. I talked my endodontist into getting this bike and he is stoked on it. That rear shock takes some significant set up skills. Once you get it dialed in it is the best thing ever. Everyone I know that has this bike says that it climbs great. This bikes is almost completely sold out in the carbon models. I think this bike might be better in the CF of the CF pro for most people as the shock set up will be easier to set up and not so DH focused. The quality for value that YT offers is something you just can not beat. I can not see myself spending 10,000 for an Ibis, pivot or Santa Cruz. I hope more high end bikes become direct sale. I think this bike blow away anything else and that is why it is sold out. I have never seen this much demand for a bike in my 30 years of riding. Yes Will this makes you question what is value for money.
Red Ant the cf pro also has an x2 and 36 why would it be any easier to set up?
Have you ridden the new nomad? Definitely won’t blow that away but yeah you can beat YT for value!
Dude unless you have 10,000 to burn it is not worth it. Have you ridden the new Capra??
Sorry I meant just the CF with the rockshox. The CF pro has the performance level fox that is the same no kashima
Red Ant I have but not the race. Awesome bikes and can’t be beaten for $ but the nomad is so good... I built my own and yes it wasn’t cheap but I don’t regret it for a second.
I think along with testing the top spec models of bikes you guys should test the baseline bikes of the same model. Since 99 percent of us will never afford most the bikes on the test it would be nice to know what the same geometry feels like with a spec normal people can afford!
The Capra CF with this same frame, top shelf suspension from rock shox, top end alloy build for 3699? Why the hell would anyone buy an alloy Bronson with NX and a garbage build for the same price.
Red Ant Yeah , I don't know why someone would...
Thing is rockshox isnt top shelf
Red Ant i have the pro 29 er modell with fox 36 and fox shock and i love it i think this is the bike for everything.
Rock Shocks Lyrick RCT3 and super deluxe RCT 3 is not top shelf? What ever dude!!
I love Santa Cruz but they have a serious pricing problem
Thank you for posting this! Interesting to see some of the differences between the pro race and my 2018 AL comp, which climbs pretty well considering the travel. Stoked on the new xxl size too
Brett Tippie rides it - enough said.
David Condon of course. But, he is a cool guy and the bike is awesome.
im new to mtb. YT Capra al comp 2017. I got it for 2,999. After 3 weeks price dropped at 2,299... capra is just great. I love it. Cant complain.
have you reviewed the 29 too?
ssmajoris if you say so.
ssmajoris I sincerely hope you dont mean that.
you have had 29 gays ?
Which t-shirt is the tester wearing? I like it!
what is the weight of this bike (in kg) ?
can this bike climb and how is it climbing ?
can you do a DH bible bike series please???
Have you guys tested the 2018 Yt Jeffsy?
Hey guys, what's about testing the Rose Soul Fire? Love your test videos! They're very informing. Keep it up!
was hoping for the capra pro race 29 review but looks like they were only talking about the 27.5
Hey guys... Sorry but you are wrong... If you test the Capra with the Rockshox Super Deluxe RT3 and tou put the lever in the firm setting it doesn't bob a milimiter... I have a Capra Al 27 Comp and it is fantastic... Keep on shredding
Have you been to your local Santa Cruz or Pivot dealer. Those bikes are not moving and available. Almost every carbon capra is sold out. The pro race models sold out in two weeks. The Jeffsy is a sick bike too and I think it outperforms the Bronson. People still have no clue and keep buying these over rated bikes. Evil actually raised priced. Intense is getting smart and has gone rider direct. Bike shops will still help you out and will not refuse you service if you have a consumer direct brand. I am not a doctor or a lawyer and YT has made it possible for me to get a top shelf bike for half the price.
Half the price? Not quite.
Ok I see people saying Nomad or the Capra? What is the best suspension platform out there?? And keep in mind I am coming from a Foes and love my MIXER!!
If you're gonna shuttle why not just go full downhill? The spring will also feel awesome.
This bike is $5,200? Wow that's an amazing deal for what this bike comes spec'd with.
Is it actually?
...might the 3rd generation Capra be released in 2020?
I’d like to see a H2H against the Nomad
Sounds like it needs stiffer pyramid shims on the x2
as of right now i am trying to get a yt jeffsy 27.5 al but they are out of stock on all bikes atm, does anyone have an idea of when the bikes will be back in stock and how long it should roughly take to ship?
Price?
If you were to choose one bike, This bike or the Canyon Torque?
Norkis Serrano Enduro Mtb says Capra: enduro-mtb.com/en/canyon-torque-vs-yt-capra/
Nomad if you’ve got the $ 😳
Aiden Baker - Yup Im thinking of Nomad too. I have a Capra 2016 it’s just too progressive for me that the ride is a little harsh given that it has 165mm travel. I’m looking to get a new long travel bike.
Norkis Serrano you won’t be disappointed with the nomad. Easily the best bike I’ve owned and I’ve had a few... the build quality, ride and warranty is worth the $ in my opinion. I’ve got a dhx2 on mine and it’s ridiculous
@@norkisserrano Just put a coil shock on the Capra instead, It works PERFECT! Have a DHX RC4 on mine now and WOW! That was what it needed.. extremely plush and WILL also use all travel...
Did you get Malcolm Gladwell to narrate all of these?
Think i'll play it safe and go with a Scott Ransom. Love the Capra though.
Nice bike
You should review the cheaper versions too
If they had put the 180mm travel on the cheaper ones I would have bought this bike but so I bought the Canyon Torque and it is awesome !
you can change out stock rear shock for one with longer stroke and same lenght and you'll get 180mm
Nice buy! I am also on the fence between a torque and Capra but in AL. Torque does seem like even better value for money. How does the beast pedal uphill ? Happy shreding!
@@LaVale- it pedals really good ! It is my first full suspension mtb so I cant compare it to other bikes but I am comming from a hardtail and I can still pedal up the hills I pedaled up bevore. I also made a 30km mtb trip with over 800 of height meters and it was no problem.
@@leonvoit3597 Thanks for informative reply!! Definitely made me even more positive about choosing a Torque. My poor xc full susser hates me more and more for the Bikepark abuse it gets lately 😂. Enjoy your bike and keep shredding !
Capra linear? Are you sure you got your "feelings" right?
The suspension of the Capra, ignoring the shock tune, is one of the most progressive out there. For some real numbers:
linkagedesign.blogspot.com/2018/02/ytalent-capra-275-2018.html
Stefan Willared, the CTO of YT, confirmed that the bike is designed to work also with a coil shock. They just decreased a little bit the progressivity compared with the previous model as it was too progressive (75% - this is freeride territory). Same for the new Tues, as even Gwin, know for liking very progressive frames, thought it was too progressive.
So you might want to check your shock setup if you feel Capra is linear or "not poppy".
I know this comment is old, but that biotch was very linear. On paper, maybe it was, but in the real it was not progressive at all.
@@erod6468 It's just basic geometry, not some spooky quantum physics. It all depends on the pivots placements. So I am not sure what you mean with on paper vs real... For me also in real Capra has plenty progressivity, I run it with coil (linear) and only bottomed out a few times in 5 years.
@@dit4963 I hit it hard up and down my local trails and bike parks and it was very linear. I sold it, bought a Evil insurgent MX and it's night and day in progressivity. Bottoming out has nothing to do with a "progressive" or "linear" suspension per se lmao! Yes, progressive suspensions will have more resistance to bottoming out, but it does not mean you cannot bottom out. Progressive in mathematical terms just means an exponential curve, whereas Linear means more a constant or straight line. That is the reason why anti squat was virtually non existent on my old Capra forcing me to reach for the lock out on any climbs whatsoever, while it is not the case with my Insurgent MX. On paper, the suspension on the capra was supposed to be very progressive, but it really was not when I rode it and setup my suspension. The suspension "lever" design on my Evil is so much more a contributing factor towards progressivity and I don't ever lock out my rear suspension except in the steepest of climbs. As someone who owned the capra, it just wasn't very progressive is all. That being said, it was a fun and cool bike. Have a good one and ride on.
@@dit4963 also, like you said, "it's just basic geometry, not some quantum physics" . Lmao! You're literally proving my point. On paper it seems it would have been progressive, but in the field, it was not.
@@erod6468 What? You mumbled a lot of nonsense out there... Bottoming out has nothing to do with a "progressive" or "linear" (except...a lot) , you mixed leverage ratio with anti-squat (they are 2 totally different things) and no, I did not prove your point lmao. Anyway, loosing time, have fun!
So definitely not the 'do it all' bike, hahaha!
This bike is Realy good👌🏻(progressive)
This is it
Dream
Or if you want a poppy get a Pro model down instead all are 170/170 of travel stock vs the Race at 180/180.
29.8 lbs ?! Without Wheels ? 😂
I never thought these people really know what they are talking about. They just make up a bunch a stuff
I ride the 170mm smallest model and I didn't find anything yet that it couldn't eat, even in climb it isn't that bad. This a a fucking machine, but yes but downhill oriented and should be treated as such
does it pedals well on climbing and rolling hills? isn't to heavy on pedaling for a long travel?
Climbing on wellpacked dirt didn't caused me any problem, on more techy climb, you can definitely feel the 170mm in the back though. I'll rent a Chockwiz to try and get the best of my rear suspension, if not, it's still possible to upgrade toward a Fox X2 with a climbing mode. Weight didn't caused me much problem either, but keep in mind it's my first enduro bike and I never rode a trail bike in the 140mm so I don't have much to compare with. Hope it helps!
Thanks brother! This is always my concern on Enduro rig, the climbing capability. Capra or Tracer expert are my choices and with the price tag Capra has more killer value.
If you have the budget, at least go for the AL comp model which feature the RCT3 fork and Super Deluxe RC3, lower model do lack adjustments in the suspension. You also upgrade bar, headset & crankset as well as the brakes for Code RS. I think it was 700$ more than the lower model. Carbon models are prob great but the lower one$$ is in the 6K range with taxes/shipping
thanks bro. I will definitely will look into that! safe riding!!!
Yeah bruh, poppy flicky bikes are rad af....fkn quiver bike amirite? I only shred gnar, so I need the best pedaling characteristics to get over all that chatter and chunder, know what I'm sayin dude bruhs? When you're climbing some wicked ele, there ain't nothing like the suppleness of a 16 year gymnast underneath you. Let's be real tho, that dude on the right only rides downhill....ain't no way that gut going up...even on a switch infinity with threaded bb...
So its a nice bike, rides like a mini downhill bike, uphill its not that great. Ok check.
linear wtf? it's 70% progressive
I can jump a 50$bike
check
Do you know how to setup suspenison. You're using up 80 percent of the travel on climbs and small drops. For fuck sakes
man, that was boring
Too expensive for this kinda bike.
Compared to other top brands bikes with simular kit, capra is by miles much less expensive. For comparison: Specialized Enduro S-Works coasts about 10k
Do you have the big gay? A Santa Cruz or Pivot will cost double for the same spec.
Overpriced.
JLP Design you have no fucking clue what you're talking abot
Whichone? The nomad 4? Ot the new pivot 29?
Marco Palacios I’m talking about this capera. It is overpriced for sure. I wouldn’t buy it.
JLP Design no it's not. Any other bike with this component spec would be ten thousand dollars.
you wouldn't buy it probably bcs you don't have enough money for such bike