Could you please add an overlay that shows us all your button inputs during combos? I think it would be a HUGE help when trying to follow along and practice them ourselves.
Actually kinda excited because since wobbling isn't a thing, all of these combos are actually super technical. As a viewer, i want to see this in tournaments real soon.
Yeah I also like this. It looks pretty cool, and so far, doesn't seem nearly as obnoxious as wobbling (which was definitely, inexcusably, the worst). If I had to be perfectly honest, that continuous re-grab one seemed a bit annoying, but it still didn't seem nowhere near as easy to pull off as wobbling, and it didn't seem like you could just keep doing it indefinitely. Plus, It's hard to tell how effective most of these things would be in a real, competitive scenario. For a person with human reactions, the only way to successfully land these chains would be to commit to them before you know whether you landed the combo opener or not, meaning, if you whiff the opening grab/aerial, at least NANA (if not both) will be stuck for a while in a follow-up for a missed combo. But it's hard to tell. That missed follow up might just make it harder for the opponent to punish... For now, I honestly hope this doesn't get patched out.
@@Carlisho It's always possible to make changes that would make combos like these impossible. Make a few changes that more efficiently detect when Nana and Popo aren't synchronized, and have a CPU try to get re-synchronized with Popo with literally no input from the player having any effect on Nana. Is an example of something that they could do to make it so that desynch combos are no longer an option. Of course, they can't patch out Desynch, but they CAN make desynching be more of a disadvantageous thing that players would try to avoid, rather than actively try to do. The whole Nana taunting when Popo grabs someone, for example, was an attempt at making desynch combos (or at least wobbling) impossible.
This character is definitely top tier. And probably the most difficult to play in the game. Melee players there you go. If you want 8 inputs a second this is your character
@@snitchbug I could see them having an issue with neutral game. their projectile isn't terrible and covers the ground (pichu can crouch under it) A projectile always helped neutral game a lot but is anyone Kim reliably pull off the combos shown in this video it's going to be insane. That regrab combo did like 70% Also desync side B has ridiculous shield pressure and is super hard to get around I think will be a good neutral move even. Over all ridiculous shield pressure and ridiculous combos is going to make a good character even if they have slightly more trouble getting in which like I said with their projectile won't even be that big of a deal especially if they can desync the projectile and rush down with the other one
People thinking about wobbling, forgetting about the chain grab nightmare they were in Brawl, but thank goodness its gone. Though who knows what the future holds.
I've watched this a hundred times and still do not understand how the hell this can happen. Anyone who can play Climbers at full potential is a superhuman in my eyes.
I prefer this ice climbers. the character has always fascinated me because of the skill needed to have complete control over them, but in the past they always had ome sort of braindead thing that made people hate them. You can't just grab and kill now, you still need to have technique in every aspect of the character. This is how the character was to be played
Honestly I found your explinations fast and hard to understand for such a unique concept and mechanic in smash. Will you make a ice climbers guide in the future? If you do could you use a hand cam, I have loads of experience in smash and have never struggled learning anything this far but I just get can't this down.
Time stamps 1:14 Basic desync combo starters 1:30 Optimal Nana moves during throw 1:46 Optimal desync combo 2:45 Kill comfirm 3:10 Savestate cameo 3:18 Desync during down throw 3:44 The combo everyone except me will hate. 4:14 Basic desync during neutral 4:27 Desync from landing lag 5:17 Using Nana's Blizzard out of landing lag 6:02 Short hop back air trick 6:23 Getting a kill 6:44 Desync from Ice Shot (I don't think this is reliable) 7:15 Desync from Down Smash 7:25 Desync to edgeguard 7:44 Desync at the ledge 8:04 Desync in shieldstun teaser. This is for both Ice Climber mains and for people learning the Ice Climber matchup.
@@MikeTheSe7enth I use the pro controller. ZL and A is jump, ZR and L is shield. R and X is grab. B is Special. Y is attack and Right stick is tilts. No rumble, A+B is on, Tap Jump off, High sensitivity. For now I have d pad to taunts but I might change to all sheild once I get better at this game. Now that I explained that, HOLY SH*T MY COMMENT GOT PINNED?!?!
@@Driff97 thanks for your inout, but DAMMIT Izaw still won't tell me which one he uses :( also i hate that i always played tap jump, feel like I've been on crutches my whole time playing smash. So hard to switch that.
Insert Name That won't hapen, In for gloruy was very rare when you fought a good technical Sheik, Ice Climbers are even mor dificult. The problem will be in tournamets
@@jasonalen7459 "required more skill" Yeah, you try consistently controlling two characters at once without getting grabbed or losing nana and get back to me on that.
@@jasonalen7459 yeah intentionally desyncing and controlling 2 chars at the same time while beating your opponent in neutral and following di is considered easy... like wtf
if i may add on some info to this, the neutral desync that involves doing a special can be easily done without having to throw out a special first just by holding shield and then holding special while shielding. this will make it so that the special input will not buffer for popo, and since you can cancel shield into grab by pressing A, you can easily just grab, release shield, keep holding special, and nana will do whatever special you like at the cost of only putting up shield and whiffing grab. conveniently special+shield also stops you from doing a directional dodge in this game so that helps with easily deciding which direction special to do!
Finally! Someone who figured this out! Another bit of info just for you, you can decync off of side b in the same way you decync off of a down throw, try it out. That means if you buffer something for one of them, as long as you do SOMETHING for the other, both will happen causing a decync, if you don’t do anything for one of them, it won’t work
I honestly don't think so. If he's aware enough of the competitive scene to know about wobbling and chain throws, he probably knows about desyncing as well, and if he killed the first but not the second, he probably meant to. At least, I really hope they don't patch out desyncing. It's super cool (heh) and fun, and basically the only reason I would play Ice Climbers over other characters I also like.
What I recommend to anyone trying to desync for the first time is to adjust the speed in advanced settings in training mode. It really helps you understand what timing you need. As you get better you can speed up the time bit by bit until you can do it normally.
please make more of these videos, ice climbers are for sure going to be the hardest characters to play and I along with many others want to see more content around desyncing so i can learn. Thanks again for the awesome video!
I know it's a bit late but I love how you step by step explained how to do it and slowed it down for the viewers. Not to mention you go over it more than once and give frames. Great video. One thing I would suggest is having inputs on screen while explaining
Pretty cool to see such a high quality guide coming from such a small youtuber. great job dude! Also I remember one time when I was goofing off with the ice climbers in training mode, and nana got permanently desynced. not just like, a small temporary thing that reverts once they get close together, but nana was totally messed up. she wouldnt respond to any commands, and would only move slightly when we were close together, and even then she would go really slowly, her walk animtaion was broken, and if you went to fast she'd fall behind. Whenever popo died, and nana vanished, even after I got off the respawn platform, nana would just hover there for a few more seconds, and even after taking damage or getting launched she would stay In this state. No matter how hard I tried I couldnt recreate it, and I still wonder how it happened. just thought id share
I honestly really love this video, I’ve always wanted to properly play the twins, 3:44 took me ab an hour to learn and I’m looking forward to try the rest of the combos on here. Thank you
Great video Izaw! Your Smash IQ is unreal as always and the quality of content is fantastic as well. This opens up so many options for stuff like nair or f-tilt then neutral-B jab-locking at low%.
A good way to time nanas input on the down throw is to put the input for her right when she does her cute jump animation. I’ve been practicing different combos for a while now thank you for this 🙏🏻
I learned this in under a minute, well the first part of the grab portion. What really helped me is when you grab, hit b to do the head butt animation. In the midst of that hold down. You will see nana do the down b freeze. Which was in put by you, while hold down, and already pressing b after. Then it will switch to popo. Quickly choose a special option, after that it will switch to nana choose a special option. Then on and on. Only thing nana can’t do is grab, but popo can to reset. A basic starter combo is grab hit b a couple of times to head but then press down, in the midst of you pressing b nana will do down b freeze. Then quickly press down b again to have popo do freeze. When popo is in his freeze animation you now have control over nana, run up with her and do an up-tilt. While she’s in that animation you are now in control of popo now have him run up and to an up air. And you can create your own string along the way.
Waiting for that "Art of Ice Climbers" like... probably would be the most skillful and technical episode ever. Love the new ICs. Requires so much skill and it does pay off if you master it.
People shit on Ice Climbers players but man, this is hard. Wobbling is hella easy though so that I agree with is cancer. But this takes actual skill and practice. Great video Izaw!
This sounds like a lame tip, but I want to remind everyone that what Popo does always comes first. Don't expect Nana to do something if PoPo is still able to move around and accept inputs. The reason that desyncs work is because there are frams where PoPo isn't doing anything and Nana IS, so watch out for accidentally inputting something you wanted to do for Nana instead of Popo, make sure he's already doing something first.
Hey Izaw. I can’t say this is confirmed but I found during training that if, after grabbing and throwing someone, you short hop + attack and then directional air dodge immediately, Popo will dodge in the air while Nana will perform the attack you inputted. Hope this helps.
Izaw I thank you as a melee Icies main these past few months have been rough from wobble bans to evo getting rid of melee and me thinking that Icies are bad in ultimate, I have hope for the future of Icies. Thank you.
Viktor Lindwall Am I the only one that likes playing Icies without wobbling? I’m glad it’s gone cause it just warped their meta game around it so hard. They are a ton more fun without trying to go for wobbling in Melee imo
This is great! Very detailed and thorough. The only thing I think this needs is some button combos on-screen. It can get a bit wordy and hard to follow at some points, and I think a simple visual to show the inputs that are happening would clarify things a lot.
Well dont amibos learn to fight against you by fighting you and picking up on the habits I'm going to get an icies ammibo and train it as a teammate ammibo
@@whaloob you have to buffer the nair for the roll to happen. i spent forever trying just the roll before slowing it down and realizing i had to nair as i release the roll for anything to happen.
@@DudleyOP what made me consistent at it is this: when you input the down throw, wait until popo is at the height of his jump and about to slam. Then hold forward+shield to input a shield roll. Keep holding it until you see the blue flashing light from the opponent hitting the ground (or some people use Nana's cheering jump animation as the marker) and immediately let go of shield+forward before inputing jump and attack at the same time
after watching this I've been practicing for about 30 min and I already got down a pretty dirty 0 - to - death combo at the ledge. my new favorite character
So going frame by frame in training I think I've figured out the best way to do the down throw + roll desync is to watch when the ice climbers close their eyes. No seriously if you input the roll when Nana's eyes are closed during the slam (while you are actually slamming down) and then up air when your eyes are close it works perfectly.
I found it so amazing how Nintendo implemented the Ice Climbers, two characters from a simple vertical-scrolling climbing game, so you can do the wackiest stuff with the double character
I tried to figure it out once like 3 years ago. I figured out kind of how to desync, but I didn't know what to do after I achieved it, and I could only do it at .75x speed
by the way, when you hold down to input a down throw, use the left analog stick instead of the right, and press b the exact same time as you do this, to instantly input a down throw to a down b instantly and quite easily. Hope this helped because I was struggling to input this.
Ice Climbers are like the forbidden demons of Smash. Call upon them and you straight up just win the game, but in return for victory you must sacrifice your hands.
Could anyone confirm whether the one at 6:44, the "holding neutral" desync still works? I can't seem to make it work despite that the inputs seems so simple, and all the other ones seem to work.
I found a way like this where you grab then buffer neutral b. After that hold a direction like to your right. If done right nana will do a side b after running foward
7:25 This looks like an incredible way to get ledge trumps on people, it basically allows you to remove them from the ledge while still covering their return to stage.
Some notes for myself For spot doge and roll the most important part is holding grab and then holding down during down throw. For Grab the most important part is buffering BOTH roll and nair (after the shine buffer roll then nair, making sure you start buffering nair before he hits the ground and ending it after)
i mean its not as broken as it was in the other games because you just have to read their desync method and punish them for doing so. Like charge fsmash and wait for them to roll/spot dodge or something like that
if i get bodied by someone who mastered this, i wouldn't even be mad. that guy will get my respect
Your pfp says otherwise
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@Mr. DanishButterCookie
Check out his ice climber vid to see some crazy shit
@@StOil_ what's wrong with having a Megaman pfp
Could you please add an overlay that shows us all your button inputs during combos? I think it would be a HUGE help when trying to follow along and practice them ourselves.
Yeah, too many words
Same 😭😂
Here's it in 2 seconds; press Dodge down(known as spot dodge) grab down than any move and you will dysnc
@@theeyenzier8190 can you try to make a video outa this please i wanna play like this PLEASE
YES PLEASE HOLY SHIT
This makes me incredibly excited to see some top level ICs play.
Actually kinda excited because since wobbling isn't a thing, all of these combos are actually super technical. As a viewer, i want to see this in tournaments real soon.
Yeah I also like this. It looks pretty cool, and so far, doesn't seem nearly as obnoxious as wobbling (which was definitely, inexcusably, the worst).
If I had to be perfectly honest, that continuous re-grab one seemed a bit annoying, but it still didn't seem nowhere near as easy to pull off as wobbling, and it didn't seem like you could just keep doing it indefinitely.
Plus, It's hard to tell how effective most of these things would be in a real, competitive scenario. For a person with human reactions, the only way to successfully land these chains would be to commit to them before you know whether you landed the combo opener or not, meaning, if you whiff the opening grab/aerial, at least NANA (if not both) will be stuck for a while in a follow-up for a missed combo. But it's hard to tell. That missed follow up might just make it harder for the opponent to punish...
For now, I honestly hope this doesn't get patched out.
Finally people wont hate my childhood favourite
Tadao SMB this will stay, you literaly cant patch desynch. Popo and Nana are two characters, they cant share the same hitbox.
@@Carlisho It's always possible to make changes that would make combos like these impossible.
Make a few changes that more efficiently detect when Nana and Popo aren't synchronized, and have a CPU try to get re-synchronized with Popo with literally no input from the player having any effect on Nana. Is an example of something that they could do to make it so that desynch combos are no longer an option.
Of course, they can't patch out Desynch, but they CAN make desynching be more of a disadvantageous thing that players would try to avoid, rather than actively try to do. The whole Nana taunting when Popo grabs someone, for example, was an attempt at making desynch combos (or at least wobbling) impossible.
Me before the video: Ice Climbers look interesting...
2 minutes in: ...to watch
Right lmao
Yeah. But i want to learn them. But they are...so...difficult
@gideon2295 I'm working on learning them in project m
Ice climbers is very complicated I’m not to good at competitive but I main them anyway
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This character is definitely top tier. And probably the most difficult to play in the game. Melee players there you go. If you want 8 inputs a second this is your character
they never really have had amazing neutral game and get out ranged by sword characters but we’ll see
The problem is is so many melee players will have wobbling PTSD that they won’t even think about touching this character
@@snitchbug I could see them having an issue with neutral game. their projectile isn't terrible and covers the ground (pichu can crouch under it)
A projectile always helped neutral game a lot but is anyone Kim reliably pull off the combos shown in this video it's going to be insane.
That regrab combo did like 70% Also desync side B has ridiculous shield pressure and is super hard to get around I think will be a good neutral move even. Over all ridiculous shield pressure and ridiculous combos is going to make a good character even if they have slightly more trouble getting in which like I said with their projectile won't even be that big of a deal especially if they can desync the projectile and rush down with the other one
People thinking about wobbling, forgetting about the chain grab nightmare they were in Brawl, but thank goodness its gone.
Though who knows what the future holds.
@@AediionTV your not wrong lol. Just watch any game with an ICs main in Melee... *Flashback Intensify*
I've watched this a hundred times and still do not understand how the hell this can happen. Anyone who can play Climbers at full potential is a superhuman in my eyes.
It's easy doing the combos after like 100 tries
@@sighm4382 truee
*loses Nana*
The classical Desync.
Dapper Dhampir The only desync I can do
Nana NOOOOOOO!!!
:O
wwwwAAAAAAAAHHH!
I prefer this ice climbers. the character has always fascinated me because of the skill needed to have complete control over them, but in the past they always had ome sort of braindead thing that made people hate them. You can't just grab and kill now, you still need to have technique in every aspect of the character. This is how the character was to be played
damn this is pretty damn technical rather than just wobbling these are some cool combo's
You should watch Fly Amanita play Icies in Melee. He doesn't wobble and gets some actual really cool shit
Handoff combos in melee are fucking hype
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Honestly I found your explinations fast and hard to understand for such a unique concept and mechanic in smash. Will you make a ice climbers guide in the future? If you do could you use a hand cam, I have loads of experience in smash and have never struggled learning anything this far but I just get can't this down.
OMG... IF YOU BUFFER NANAS ATTACK TO EARLY IT FAILS TO?!
This stuff is really hard to follow my dude
Do you have to roll in order to get the 0- death combo? Like before the combo or spotdodge
Time stamps
1:14 Basic desync combo starters
1:30 Optimal Nana moves during throw
1:46 Optimal desync combo
2:45 Kill comfirm
3:10 Savestate cameo
3:18 Desync during down throw
3:44 The combo everyone except me will hate.
4:14 Basic desync during neutral
4:27 Desync from landing lag
5:17 Using Nana's Blizzard out of landing lag
6:02 Short hop back air trick
6:23 Getting a kill
6:44 Desync from Ice Shot (I don't think this is reliable)
7:15 Desync from Down Smash
7:25 Desync to edgeguard
7:44 Desync at the ledge
8:04 Desync in shieldstun teaser.
This is for both Ice Climber mains and for people learning the Ice Climber matchup.
Whats your controk setup
@@MikeTheSe7enth I use the pro controller. ZL and A is jump, ZR and L is shield. R and X is grab. B is Special. Y is attack and Right stick is tilts. No rumble, A+B is on, Tap Jump off, High sensitivity. For now I have d pad to taunts but I might change to all sheild once I get better at this game.
Now that I explained that, HOLY SH*T MY COMMENT GOT PINNED?!?!
Just a heads up guys, there is a patch released just now, but so far all of the stuff you see in this video still applies.
@@Driff97 thanks for your inout, but DAMMIT Izaw still won't tell me which one he uses :( also i hate that i always played tap jump, feel like I've been on crutches my whole time playing smash. So hard to switch that.
@@MikeTheSe7enth go to the ice climbers discord or check description for the guys who gave this info to izaw. The discord can answer your question.
Nana: *Does Special*
Popo: I cAn Do AnYtHiNg!
Summary of the video
Izaw please. You don’t wanna do this...
He may not, but I do!
@@IamNster LMAO she looks broken now mah boyz
I don't know why he does this when the game is not even a month old. Have mercy on us Izaw...
Can't wait for every online match be vs Ice Climbers
Insert Name That won't hapen, In for gloruy was very rare when you fought a good technical Sheik, Ice Climbers are even mor dificult.
The problem will be in tournamets
it begins
It really do
Thank goodness you made this, most desync information is either poorly explained or spread out without any video showcasing the technique.
Ah. Ice climbers. The ideal character for those with two brains.
KING CRIMSON
@@LWxyz yo what triggered this jojo reference
@@toomanyeyesjoe1438 two brains = 2 heads
Thankyou
@@Pablo_Martin_aa laughs in hydragoin
Didn’t know what desyncs were like till now. Holy shit this is crazy
I literally cannot preform any of these after a week of practice. I've got a long way to go lmao.
@@steamboiler best of luck on the grind, brother
Oh god wish me luck I’m trying as well
Levi Best2 Do you need help?
8 God of Glitches 8 oh I’d appreciate any help at all thanks a million!
Levi Best2 Which combo/desync do you need help on, and what part of it are you messing up
And here I thought removing chaingrabs would make ICs bad...
they can still chaingrab bc blizzard keeps in hitstun longer than the grab timer
And here you thought they could remove chaingrabs
And here I thought when people said “ICs” they weren’t saying “icies” which is way cuter :(
Nah fam Icies will always break the game.
@@plumfiggle8896 I still spell it that way bc I felt the same way. Love the Icies
I just want to play as a character where I can kill my opponent 0.001 seconds into a match. Thank you for teaching me the art of the ice boyos
I'm I the only one that is cool with this and happy that it isn't wobbling
desyncing is probably my favorite mechanic, so you're not alone.
I like it too!
I wish desync combos required more skill and didn't work against everyone "except *maybe* Jigglypuff"
@@jasonalen7459 "required more skill"
Yeah, you try consistently controlling two characters at once without getting grabbed or losing nana and get back to me on that.
@@jasonalen7459 yeah intentionally desyncing and controlling 2 chars at the same time while beating your opponent in neutral and following di is considered easy... like wtf
Step 1. Grab the opponent.
Welp I won't be doing this combo.
if i may add on some info to this, the neutral desync that involves doing a special can be easily done without having to throw out a special first just by holding shield and then holding special while shielding. this will make it so that the special input will not buffer for popo, and since you can cancel shield into grab by pressing A, you can easily just grab, release shield, keep holding special, and nana will do whatever special you like at the cost of only putting up shield and whiffing grab. conveniently special+shield also stops you from doing a directional dodge in this game so that helps with easily deciding which direction special to do!
its the same with A so you can literally just sheild grab to get a desync, this shit is so nuts
Finally! Someone who figured this out! Another bit of info just for you, you can decync off of side b in the same way you decync off of a down throw, try it out. That means if you buffer something for one of them, as long as you do SOMETHING for the other, both will happen causing a decync, if you don’t do anything for one of them, it won’t work
0:14 Combo Desyncs
4:12 Neutral Based Desync
7:22 Micellaneous Desync
Your first time stamp is wrong genius
This is late but the real first time stamp is 1:11 :3
If Sakurai sees this, he'll probably patch it.
I honestly don't think so. If he's aware enough of the competitive scene to know about wobbling and chain throws, he probably knows about desyncing as well, and if he killed the first but not the second, he probably meant to. At least, I really hope they don't patch out desyncing. It's super cool (heh) and fun, and basically the only reason I would play Ice Climbers over other characters I also like.
@Happy Blockhead As long as this doesn't end up as an infinite or a 0% to death combo, I don't think I'll lose my mind.
What if Sakurai foresaw this video and that was what the ICs had patched for v1.2.0
I'm trying to do the landing lag desync in v1.2 and I think it's been patched... Or I'm just bad, that could also be possible.
@@ddragonwhistler desyncs are the same. No changes so far confirmed by the same group that made this vid possible.
For anybody curious I've been practicing these for two days and they are insanely hard to pull off. But they indeed do still work. Best of luck gamers
Ice climbers were Bayonetta all along..
Lmao ikr
But harder to play
Bayonetta: Who are you?
Ice Climbers: I'm you, but more complicated
@@ABreakingGalaxy They do, what are you talking about?
@@DoisZvcar FBI at ur door steps
What I recommend to anyone trying to desync for the first time is to adjust the speed in advanced settings in training mode. It really helps you understand what timing you need. As you get better you can speed up the time bit by bit until you can do it normally.
No wonder they were kicked from 4 for illegal teaming...
They were kicked for technical reasons (the 3ds couldn't handle 8 IC players with item on and all)
@@victormarchal6145 He was making a Paluntea's guidance reference.
r/wooooooosh
@@jabril3577 to be fair, it's a specific in joke. Not everyone knows of or memorizes all of Palutena's guidances.
@@kalejuice5701 but its a thing you will get id you have seen it because of the whole ics removed thibg so you dont need to memoriza
please make more of these videos, ice climbers are for sure going to be the hardest characters to play and I along with many others want to see more content around desyncing so i can learn. Thanks again for the awesome video!
BTW
DASH BACK FSMASH IS CALLED THE "YEET"
YEET ON EM
THIS IS REQUIRED KNOWLEDGE
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME
YEET
No, doc backthrow is the “YEET”
For the love of god I cant do it
RCS ⃒ Savestate I'm having trouble with that one for some reason but I wanna be able to yeet on everyone
I can't do it too,can somebody help?
I know it's a bit late but I love how you step by step explained how to do it and slowed it down for the viewers. Not to mention you go over it more than once and give frames. Great video. One thing I would suggest is having inputs on screen while explaining
0:38 oh no...
This is not going to end well...
it can still be pretty easy to gimp nana so its not so bad
*ominous laughter*
@@vktrlndwll95 they're coming... and it will be ugly.
@NTSCollector-J SDI? In ultimate? What?
Pretty cool to see such a high quality guide coming from such a small youtuber. great job dude!
Also I remember one time when I was goofing off with the ice climbers in training mode, and nana got permanently desynced. not just like, a small temporary thing that reverts once they get close together, but nana was totally messed up. she wouldnt respond to any commands, and would only move slightly when we were close together, and even then she would go really slowly, her walk animtaion was broken, and if you went to fast she'd fall behind. Whenever popo died, and nana vanished, even after I got off the respawn platform, nana would just hover there for a few more seconds, and even after taking damage or getting launched she would stay In this state. No matter how hard I tried I couldnt recreate it, and I still wonder how it happened. just thought id share
If this gets patched I’ll cry
If they change the buffer system I'll cry
I honestly really love this video, I’ve always wanted to properly play the twins, 3:44 took me ab an hour to learn and I’m looking forward to try the rest of the combos on here. Thank you
I took so many losses trying to figure out desyncs. Thanks Izaw. Back to the lab for me.
Izaw: gives tutorial on how to desync
Me: keeps losing Nana
Lol, learn their regular combos first. D throw to up tilt to up air and such
Been waiting for someone to make a vid like this thank you have a sub :)
Watched this at least 10 times and still watching it so I can hopefully learn
You’re on a roll with Ultimate Izaw
Great video Izaw! Your Smash IQ is unreal as always and the quality of content is fantastic as well. This opens up so many options for stuff like nair or f-tilt then neutral-B jab-locking at low%.
This is useful for probably more than 50% of the players since we’ve never played the previous games competitively
A good way to time nanas input on the down throw is to put the input for her right when she does her cute jump animation. I’ve been practicing different combos for a while now thank you for this 🙏🏻
Perfect! I just thought about maining them today.. 🙈
lol Taddl ^^ Cool, dass du dich ins Competitive Smash umschaust :D
LetsTaddl I mean, this a long and hard road to godhood, not a path to be set upon on a whim.
Jk you can probably learn the basic desyncs with practice
Maine sie schon lange :)
ja moin
Okay, ich hab ne menge leute unter einem izaw video erwartet aber ich hab nicht dich erwartet.... also wann kommt das iceis higlight video ? :D
I learned this in under a minute, well the first part of the grab portion. What really helped me is when you grab, hit b to do the head butt animation. In the midst of that hold down. You will see nana do the down b freeze. Which was in put by you, while hold down, and already pressing b after. Then it will switch to popo. Quickly choose a special option, after that it will switch to nana choose a special option. Then on and on. Only thing nana can’t do is grab, but popo can to reset. A basic starter combo is grab hit b a couple of times to head but then press down, in the midst of you pressing b nana will do down b freeze. Then quickly press down b again to have popo do freeze. When popo is in his freeze animation you now have control over nana, run up with her and do an up-tilt. While she’s in that animation you are now in control of popo now have him run up and to an up air. And you can create your own string along the way.
I'd appreciate some kind of tutorial on how buffering works. I only ever seem to do it by accident.
Leffen has a pretty good video explaining buffering, I would go watch it!
@@blueregiment Thanks. I'll check that out.
I'm so happy to see that IC's are still desyncable, warms my heart :')
Izaw NO! Don't teach them the ways, they will go online and ruin us
Doing these things in lag online sounds like more trouble than it's worth
HAHAHAHAHAAAAA!
Even if I watched this,I would suck at it.
You good.
If a person goes to the lab and has the patience to learn tech then id be much happier
Knowledge is made to be shared
Waiting for that "Art of Ice Climbers" like... probably would be the most skillful and technical episode ever. Love the new ICs. Requires so much skill and it does pay off if you master it.
People shit on Ice Climbers players but man, this is hard.
Wobbling is hella easy though so that I agree with is cancer. But this takes actual skill and practice. Great video Izaw!
This sounds like a lame tip, but I want to remind everyone that what Popo does always comes first. Don't expect Nana to do something if PoPo is still able to move around and accept inputs. The reason that desyncs work is because there are frams where PoPo isn't doing anything and Nana IS, so watch out for accidentally inputting something you wanted to do for Nana instead of Popo, make sure he's already doing something first.
Why the ice climbers were removed in smash four now becomes apparent.
Because the mobile version of smash Wii u couldn't handle them on a technical level
jesse
whoosh
jesse Except the Ds is a mobile gaming system
That's not a whoosh
1 0
it is a whoosh
Wow. This means a whole new thing for smash. Ice Climbers are one of my favorite characters and now I'm going to need to train with these combos
I have several questions about the thumbnail. XD
sweet home alabama .. sry
Nana looking at dat ass
Minus8 flashbacks.
Popo understands the implications of such a strategy
@@magnus2613 They aren't siblings so sorry about your not so well thought out joke.. . Oof
Advanced desync called "litterally uptilt"
To do:
1) up tilt
2)???
3)take stonks
Oml it actually works!
That is amazing, but it sounds a lot like work. O.o
Start with the down throw version. Its the eaisest imo... Or maybe u wanna start with the hardest and work your way down
Sirro Minus hElP i cant do any i dont know what im doing wrong
I think the problem is more with understanding the terms and instructions he's giving
These guys take so much patience. Starting to get some combos down in practice but man are they hard
Hey Izaw. I can’t say this is confirmed but I found during training that if, after grabbing and throwing someone, you short hop + attack and then directional air dodge immediately, Popo will dodge in the air while Nana will perform the attack you inputted. Hope this helps.
Got a new sub, I just realized how many of your vids I've been watching since the release of Ultimate, thanks a lot.
Sakurai: Interesting...would be a shame if my team and I...nerfed that.
Izaw I thank you as a melee Icies main these past few months have been rough from wobble bans to evo getting rid of melee and me thinking that Icies are bad in ultimate, I have hope for the future of Icies. Thank you.
Izaw YES! The second I get my switch I'll main Ice climbers. They were my OG mains, even before I knew of certain...forbidden knowledge!
Viktor Lindwall Am I the only one that likes playing Icies without wobbling? I’m glad it’s gone cause it just warped their meta game around it so hard. They are a ton more fun without trying to go for wobbling in Melee imo
This is great! Very detailed and thorough. The only thing I think this needs is some button combos on-screen. It can get a bit wordy and hard to follow at some points, and I think a simple visual to show the inputs that are happening would clarify things a lot.
It has begun.
NINTENDO: HOLD UP...
Can Ice Climber Amiibo's learn this???
I’ve seen my amiibo do some wild stuff, so I don’t think it’s far fetched to see ic amiibos desync
I fucking hope not. I don’t want to get chain grab cockblocked by a cpu
First person I've seen to actually use an amiibo.
Well dont amibos learn to fight against you by fighting you and picking up on the habits I'm going to get an icies ammibo and train it as a teammate ammibo
I like how ice climbers were so casual and nobody cared about them until this guy uploaded this video...
Dude, you restored my faith in the IC's. Brawl main looks awesome!
I play ice climbers whenever I wanna have some good old casual fun, but i always wanted to learn how to desync. Thanks for the guide!
I just started playing these bois and they're gonna be my main after this
Henry Gelber hows the porgress
Ice Climbers is-without a shadow of a doubt-the hardest character to play correctly in all of ultimate
Holy balls, 3:44 is hard af. can hardly do it in 1/4 speed in training lol
I still can’t do it lol
I’m trying it with 1 Frame, I can’t get the roll right?? I’m missing something
@@whaloob you have to buffer the nair for the roll to happen. i spent forever trying just the roll before slowing it down and realizing i had to nair as i release the roll for anything to happen.
Still don't understand that first roll can never get timing right even if I do I can't replicate it
@@DudleyOP what made me consistent at it is this: when you input the down throw, wait until popo is at the height of his jump and about to slam. Then hold forward+shield to input a shield roll. Keep holding it until you see the blue flashing light from the opponent hitting the ground (or some people use Nana's cheering jump animation as the marker) and immediately let go of shield+forward before inputing jump and attack at the same time
This is amazing! as someone who is trying to main Ice Climbers this is gonna help me a lot! thank you so much!
Why did you upload this
So that I can whoop you online
Can’t wait to be salty as freak
@@ZiyaB3ast not if I play with my zoner boner with Simon Belmont
To protect the world from devastation, To unite all people within our nation.
after watching this I've been practicing for about 30 min and I already got down a pretty dirty 0 - to - death combo at the ledge.
my new favorite character
*_No Chroms were harmed during the making of this video._*
its a damn shame he deserves it lol
So going frame by frame in training I think I've figured out the best way to do the down throw + roll desync is to watch when the ice climbers close their eyes. No seriously if you input the roll when Nana's eyes are closed during the slam (while you are actually slamming down) and then up air when your eyes are close it works perfectly.
You have made a new monster
I found it so amazing how Nintendo implemented the Ice Climbers, two characters from a simple vertical-scrolling climbing game, so you can do the wackiest stuff with the double character
I think I’m too stupid for this 😢
I tried to figure it out once like 3 years ago. I figured out kind of how to desync, but I didn't know what to do after I achieved it, and I could only do it at .75x speed
by the way, when you hold down to input a down throw, use the left analog stick instead of the right, and press b the exact same time as you do this, to instantly input a down throw to a down b instantly and quite easily. Hope this helped because I was struggling to input this.
Thanls, I really needed something like this
I found a way to desync them really easily!!!! When popo grabs the oponent, press a for an attack and immediately press down b and then combo away
I can't seem to get it. Do you press a to pummel?
@@Smug-Sonic you have to grab the oponent, tap a while grabbing them then press down b immediately afterwards
@@rayquazaking183
So what’s the input layout?
@@skyjack1 L-a down throw and imidiatly down b
@@rayquazaking183
So down smash immediately after down throw, or A+Down+D-Smash at the same time?
Ice Climbers are like the forbidden demons of Smash. Call upon them and you straight up just win the game, but in return for victory you must sacrifice your hands.
Could anyone confirm whether the one at 6:44, the "holding neutral" desync still works? I can't seem to make it work despite that the inputs seems so simple, and all the other ones seem to work.
I agree, I've tried and I can't get it. I can even desync off a landing jab but I can't do that one
Same
I found a way like this where you grab then buffer neutral b. After that hold a direction like to your right. If done right nana will do a side b after running foward
Marth: Hehe sword time
Ice Climbers:
holy shit.... ice climbers mains incoming..
I really look forward to more of these, Ice Climbers are one of my favourite characters to play so far.
HEY BEFORE YOU BLOW UP JUST WANNA SAY IVE BEEN WATCHING FOR YEARS OK I GOTTA GO BEFORE THESE SUBS START COMING DAWG
Bobs Boi fortnite is cancer
BBG 123 factual statement my man
You can hold down throw and nana spot dodges and still have popo do something and then have nana do something
This made no sense to me I felt like I was having a stroke
Technical characters are so much more fun than not technical characters. Time to start practicing Ice Climbers.
my god dunno the true tier list from this game
what if I told you there is no true tier list
all characters are op hahah
3:33 if anyone havin trouble with this, on the first nana roll u gotta hold the input for a tad bit, after that its ez
They went from the worst charecter immdeatily to top tier😂😂😂
They were always top tier tho
Worst?
I think Lucas is the worst in the game
@@xJackDarkStonex no when desync didnt exist they were ass
@NTSCollector-J was this recent bc he was ass at the start
7:25
This looks like an incredible way to get ledge trumps on people, it basically allows you to remove them from the ledge while still covering their return to stage.
Did the update change them?
100%
Some notes for myself
For spot doge and roll the most important part is holding grab and then holding down during down throw. For Grab the most important part is buffering BOTH roll and nair (after the shine buffer roll then nair, making sure you start buffering nair before he hits the ground and ending it after)
THIS IS SO COOL
4:04 the evolution of chaingrab is nuts!
i mean its not as broken as it was in the other games because you just have to read their desync method and punish them for doing so. Like charge fsmash and wait for them to roll/spot dodge or something like that
e.
Unless they just punish your random charged smash attacks
Every time I got bodied like this by Ice Climbers I would get frustrated, that was until I saw the skill required to do that.