Ep 49 | Is Kafka On The Shore by Haruki Murakami overrated?

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  • @vaanimahesh1087
    @vaanimahesh1087 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    What book should we pick up next for A Book A Month with Vaani on Chalchitra Talks?
    🦦

    • @tanmaysujata
      @tanmaysujata 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      May be Dandelion Wines- Ray Bradbury... Tuesdays with Morrie, I am thinking of ending things or Hippie by Paulo Coelho

    • @satwikaman2708
      @satwikaman2708 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      you can check out one part woman, it was originally in tamil but has a great translation...

    • @sameerasuraj5615
      @sameerasuraj5615 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Forty Rules of Love!

    • @ganeshprasad4929
      @ganeshprasad4929 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And The Mountains Echoed by Khaled Hosseini

    • @adhithyaravindra7580
      @adhithyaravindra7580 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The illicit happiness of other people by Manu Joseph

  • @AdarshSingh-el4or
    @AdarshSingh-el4or 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    After reading a few books by murakami.. I have come to realise that while reading murakami, it's just better to drop your sense and get immersed in the weirdness of the book and that I think is the point of most of murakami's work.. the moment you start trying to make sense, You will lose interest in it and every tiny thing will begin to irk you... Another recommendation would be 'The wind up bird chronicle' which is even stranger and unreal but again needs to be read without using logic..

    • @chesscom6199
      @chesscom6199 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are still far but on the right mindset. It's kinda hard to understand his work so it's normally not surprising when someone says it was disturbing to them.

    • @vaishnavihoge5621
      @vaishnavihoge5621 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I recently finished reading kafka on shore and was immensely disappointed as well(My 1st book of murakami)(I was over hyped as well)
      Let's start with kafka tamura, author ruined the character and it's like the author doesn't understand the character himself, Like I was really annoyed when kafka said "I forgive you"
      to Miss Saeki, this line doesn't sound like a boy, who's mothers boyfriend died, so she fucked a lot of guys and then met your father and you were born, but after you turned 4 she left you alone with a toxic father because she loved you for who 11 FUCKING YEARS, Just to reappear to have sex with her son......
      I really wanted kafka to say that "I cannot forgive you for what have you done to me, you ruined my childhood" (OP understand, hows it's like to be lonely, almost everyone does)and the miss should have been content with answer because she can't change what's done and just accept the mistake as it is and can reflect on it, but the author literally took a dump on the character
      Then Miss Saeki, what whore man!
      Like I felt like every character is going fuck her (I was honestly waiting for oshima and miss saeki scissor scene 💀) And yep, I understand a pain of loved one and losing a lover is very very very very very very sad, but bitch doesn't waste time and doesn't care about her parents , friends etc and goes to get milk, whole 2 times in book..but directly gets to fuck other guys non stop, and then complains about her shitty life was, and shitty character writing honestly
      Then oshima, Nice character, liked his personality design but sometimes felt like a preacher than a character and I know philosophy and ideology is very important, but after a while it gets repetitive, felt like author was filling pages with it
      Then, there is Nakata, The Nakata related stories were honestly good(If there are a knock off of Nakata the cat detective, I would honestly buy it) Nakata as a character was at 2nd place, and had a solid image in head, felt like a real person, nice character design honestly
      And finally, Hoshino, I could just say one word about him "Incredible".
      I liked the half book, Nakata part is honestly good, I don't really mind rape, incest, murder etc anything like that (Johnnie Walker was my favourite scene of the book)
      But the kafka part is worst, shittest writing I have ever seen in a book till now
      And people say murakami's has magical realism, but I honestly thought Cap
      Murakami's book was boring(I heard this one was his best) I will be not reading murakami's again, if this is his best work,
      And if you want to read magical realism, then read "ONE HUNDRED YEARS OF SOLITUDE" by Gabriel Garcia Marquez, one of my favourite books......(Recommendation Please)

    • @Philosopher420
      @Philosopher420 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What? Without How can you understand Kafka on the shore, Norwegian Wood????? Please read something or drop your reading as soon as possible.

  • @Prerikagupta
    @Prerikagupta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I agree with you, Vaani. Kafka On the Shore is a pretty unusual book. After I finished the book, I just did not know how to feel about it. There were certain parts I hated about the book and then, some, I loved!! And till the end, i just did not know where the book is going, and still, I loved the book!

  • @explaindata5765
    @explaindata5765 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Hey Vaani, honestly I felt you spoke exactly what I have been feeling about the book. I loved the reading experience. It transported me to another world and I was completely lost in Murakami's beautiful writing. But the treatment of female characters and all the instances related to the Oedipus complex disturbed me a lot. Thank you for making this video. I was under so much peer pressure to just say good things about it but I am happy there is at least one person whose ideas resonates with mine.

  • @anubhabbiswas4901
    @anubhabbiswas4901 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    "Kafka's Murakami on the Shore" (at 5:00) would have been amazing if that was possible

  • @parthyadav3733
    @parthyadav3733 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Although I didn't understand a lot of what was going on in the book, it was a fun read. It was my first Murakami book. Vaani, just a suggestion, could you be a little louder please in further videos.

    • @Peupeu_
      @Peupeu_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You shouldn't have chose it as your first book of murakami. It is kinda critical to understand if you don't have any idea about that book or don't know it's summary. I'd suggest you Norwegian wood if you're a beginner reader of murakami.

    • @anuradhapandit9824
      @anuradhapandit9824 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kafka is his most difficult read along with blind willow imo. Should have started with Norwegian wood

    • @parthyadav3733
      @parthyadav3733 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Reading NW currently

    • @manasikamat4414
      @manasikamat4414 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Definitely give A Wild Sheep Chase a try. It's so strange and bizzare, but i had so much fun reading it.

    • @parthyadav3733
      @parthyadav3733 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@manasikamat4414 okay. I might read it.

  • @PathikritGhosh007
    @PathikritGhosh007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hello, I don't know if you'll read this comment, but I will write it anyway.
    I feel that the crux of the book is fate. As the opening chapter of the book outlines, fate is like a sandstorm that shifts with the direction we move. We may try to outdo it by guile or wit, but no matter what, fate always finds a way to come back to us. Now what this "fate" is, is left intentionally unclear. But, according to Murakami, no matter what this storm is, the only way we can move forward is THROUGH it. This storm is US, and characters need to accept fate to move on and be completely changed. After all, this is what Sophocles also intended in Oedipus Rex.
    I feel the incest is not the focus, but an absurd proposition in terms of a characters life. It was never common in Greek society, and yet they did hold foresight and future that is beyond the choice of mortals as a given truth of the world. The Oracle at Delphi was an example of this: a priestess to which all Kings deferred.
    What Sophocles does is highlight that even the most absurd is determined by the fate of a person. And that is the underlying current of Oedipus Rex.
    Murakami does the same to the character of Kafka: he is our central point of view, and not Nakata, even though they have similar length of chapters dedicated to them. Nakata is a key who is set in motion the day he does not come back to the world, and is somehow fixed to this otherside world. He is, to me, in fact a reflection of people like Ms. Saeki.
    Ms Saeki represents the people in the world who cannot move on. There are many: I too have had this point in life where life loses meaning without the presence of other people. It is of course not the experience that everyone goes through, but grief is wild. When I read Kafka on the Shore, I was immediately struck by how accurate loss is depicted. People adjust to society, but they are forever changed. Of course as a metaphor in the book, their shadow is lighter than the others. It's as if when they sleep, they are projected to where they are comfortable, as if ghosts clinging to a haunted past.
    That is what the forest represents to me: memories. And fate. Those two things lie together inside, and the protagonist, Kafka, must make the journey into himself, into fate, into the heart of the storm in order to move forward, in order to not live as a ghost like Saeki.
    As you were talking about characters, I think it is intentional that there is no character arc for these two specifically, because there is always a half character inside each of them. Also, they represent projections of Kafka's own psyche. Is Saeki Kafka's mother? We don't know. We do know that she is a lovelorn woman, who thinks that Kafka is her lover reborn.
    So, what I'm trying to say is that Kafka on the Shore is a literary puzzle designed to lead people into their own swirling storm of fate. Reflections of conflict, reflections of characters. Which is why I feel your criticism is unwarranted.
    Thank you for reading!

  • @ranvirdesai1843
    @ranvirdesai1843 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    5:00 "Kafka's Murakami on the Shore"
    Would love to see a fan-fic written in style of Kafka, having a central character named Murakami.

  • @aditisachdeva1652
    @aditisachdeva1652 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I am able to connect to what you said. I read it a few years ago. I was able to relate to some parts of the book very very strongly and they made me swoon but some parts seemed so unnecessary and made the book drag for no reason. It's like they didn't add anything to the plot and then I quite failed to understand the core of it all.
    Having said all that, I really enjoyed the experience of magical realism and the inexplicable happenings. I'm not giving up on Murakami after just one encounter. I will try more of his work, I just don't know which one. Recommendations are always welcome.

    • @parthyadav3733
      @parthyadav3733 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've heard Norwegian Wood is a good one.

    • @aditisachdeva1652
      @aditisachdeva1652 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@parthyadav3733 Thanks . Yeah I've heard it's more approachable.

  • @zaen3220
    @zaen3220 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    This is what happens when you read a particular book just cuz everyone else is reading and discussing it and believe me if you're reading Murakami at the age you're I don't think you're a serious book lover. The incest in the book felt insufferable to you, huh, maybe you should read A HUNDRED YEARS OF SOLITUDE and maybe you'll die of disgust. Like Murakami mentioned in KAFKA ON THE SHORE, some people lack the imagination needed to Perceive anything beyond the mundane

    • @justarandomguywithsuperpow6146
      @justarandomguywithsuperpow6146 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Exactly!!! Murakami is not for everyone , and I really don't like her review of the book ,the Tedx why u should read does complete justice to Kafka on the shore and I want to quote Miss Saeki "Yes, it was. The process of writing was important. Even though the finished product is completely meaningless" not the it is meaningless xd. And it's the beauty of Kafka on the shore that it leaves few things unanswered and leaves it to the imagination of reader!!! My fav book so far.

  • @DutchVanDerLinde77
    @DutchVanDerLinde77 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    You have done very little research on the material you have read.

  • @adarshtiwari7395
    @adarshtiwari7395 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I very much agree with you about feeling very confused as to what I truly feel about this book. It was a great read and filled with surprises that I loved. But I didn't really know what point did the writer try to make. Many questions were left unanswered. We still don't have substantial proof if Sakura was indeed Kafka's sister, how was Johnnie Walker kafka's dad etc... Why was the letter that Nakata's teacher wrote to some army general important to the narrative of the story? Many origins of characters were out of nowhere without any justification and although and I know it might have to do something with the "magical" aspects of the book I still feel the void was needed to be filled.

  • @kk-ot9kn
    @kk-ot9kn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is so true. I've noticed similar treatment to female characters in Norwegian Wood as well. His books are so immersive, it's difficult to think clearly about the world he creates in his stories, right after you've finished reading. Love his writing though!

  • @saketcr7416
    @saketcr7416 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    For all those shitheads complaining in the comment section for abstract ideas and having feminist issues, You can't grasp the art.. U shud just read comics.. That's your level.. "We live in an age when men treat art as if it were meant to be a form of autobiography. we have lost the abstract sense of beauty"- Oscar Wilde (another legendary author who won't spoonfeed the story in your brain)

    • @Andy2kk
      @Andy2kk ปีที่แล้ว

      What a nerd, you must be one of those guys who think reading books makes you special

  • @MayankKumar-ch8pq
    @MayankKumar-ch8pq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Murakami's female characters are generally either fully formed (they don't grow over the book) Or act as plot devices for another character's growth.
    Atleast in the one's i have read.

    • @dateenboyo5193
      @dateenboyo5193 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What about aomame in iq84? She had a pretty central role there

  • @ranvirdesai1843
    @ranvirdesai1843 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Vaani, I had started reading this along with you, but gave it up in the middle. Now I read through it again to the end, and I am 100% in agreement to what you've said here.
    This book makes me uncomfortable not by content, but by lack of intent. The characters seem to just wander and do "anything". I'm not used to this type of narrative, and I don't wish to get used to it too. There are far better written books which "have a point" than this beautiful, repetitive word-vomit.

  • @mhn007
    @mhn007 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've read almost every work of murakami and I've also read Dance Dance Dance by Murakami, which feets same genre. But to be honest Kafka on the shore disappointed me, I am not sure why it is hyped.

  • @varunhooli2740
    @varunhooli2740 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just loved this book and if you are not super feminist you will truly enjoy murakami's writing the world he built just a little suggestion from me just don't judge the book just read it feel the writing and imagine that's the beauty of reading the book

  • @suvangiroy2829
    @suvangiroy2829 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    tbh i feel the same , the book was good and had very beautifully written parts but the more i let it set in... the more concerning the charecters and the overall plot gets. Yes the incest was extremely disturbing but i somehow lost the reason or here, the metaphor to it all at the end. And even if you forget all morals and reasoning and read it through all the concerning bits... it doesn't conclude in a way that the main character improves or achieves something new ... or i don't know. Overall personally, i prefer murakami's other works over this one (just a personal opinion)

  • @_aidid
    @_aidid 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've been thinking of reading this book for some days after seeing many people talking about it online. Your words have made me cautious of the issues in the book👍🏻

  • @Snek40
    @Snek40 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Xactly my thot....if he deleted Nakata and his fathers murder remained a mystery(which it was)...the story was still relevant....with Nakata another book with many mysterious cat stories and his past can be written....i felt like reading 2 different books....Kafka was on the shore but readers were on the edge and then HM pushed them down in the end....

  • @niharikagaharwar232
    @niharikagaharwar232 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I read Sigmund Freud's theories , may be that's why I can better understand Kafka on the shore ✌️

  • @mayankdandotiya7501
    @mayankdandotiya7501 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't know of any contemporary writer as polarizing as murakami

  • @ashu37397
    @ashu37397 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel this book is not about resonating with one's logic! Murakami is great in invoking emotions or shades of you which one might not have thought existed before!

  • @ramkoushik_vlogs
    @ramkoushik_vlogs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Vaaaniii!!!
    Why did you spoil Oedipus Rex for us😂😂

  • @angsavegas6671
    @angsavegas6671 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Sorry gal...As I read the book there were 3 female characters... 1 who doesn't want to refer herself as female even though she have F sexual organs...

  • @satty22
    @satty22 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your review echoes my thoughts. Where is the heart of the book? A good read for sure.

  • @randomroadchhapreviews4396
    @randomroadchhapreviews4396 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just finished it. So much anticipation and no answers. I love the connection of real world unanswered ideas and fictional explainations but climax is like indie film. I want to like it maybe that's why I'm okay with reading it. I think eventually I'll think like u

  • @sageoflyf
    @sageoflyf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    it was tough for me as it took lest 2 month for me to complete it but alas at end i was overwhelmed with emotions and the scenarios that got real so quick.

  • @andyoliveira705
    @andyoliveira705 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I couldn't agree more with you, sadly...

  • @jithendra16
    @jithendra16 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I am really sorry to say this but I am unsubscribing from the channel.
    My opinion about this channel is you guys do very little research on your interviews or book Recommendations or reviews. It's like how a normal person picks up a book or discusses a movie and nothing more. It's normal discussions by which I am gaining nothing. It's ok good but nothing special. There must be something that provides me with some greater input by subscribing to the channel right? Although after several videos and lives I didn't gain any.
    I was really taken back by the questions asked to Joe Dunthorne. It's such an amazing movement where you got to discuss with the author of a good book but all questions asked were really mundane.
    And the various number of lives and film discussions that you keep doing doesn't really have content and I seriously didn't understand the concept of such frequent lives. Why don't you guys take time and curate and research a bit. Please don't concentrate on quantity rather than quality.
    The only part I love about the channel is the guests who come on the show to provide there book suggestions. We get to know so many perspectives. Love that. And offcourse the a book per month initiative.
    And in one of the lives I attended I think so the host loosely mentioned that we are trying to get that Emmy nominated guy on to the show. I was taken aback, for me it was like are you bringing them as a guest because to know there perspectives and book suggestions or just because they are currently in fame.
    As this is a public channel and made for the public Audience I wanted to bestown my part of the disappointment with this channel and no other hard feelings. Extremely sorry if it was over the line.
    Thank You.

    • @persianpoison
      @persianpoison 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      completely agree with you on the Joe Dunthorne interview part. it was shockingly amateurish. He will think twice now before agreeing to any interview like that.
      and you know what, these guys pay no heed to genuine feedback from regular viewers. There is an overwhelming majority of their viewers who find livestreams pointless - as demonstrated by a poll conducted by the channel itself - yet they will continue the same pattern. they label any constructive criticism as hater/mean comment. Many have expressed same disappointment and unsubscribed. they even made a livestream by mentioning my name as hater when i commented something similar to you. and ofcourse the regular livestream janta came rushing to comfort them and tell them even baby videos get dislikes on youtube so why pay attention to it.

  • @satoru.nakata
    @satoru.nakata ปีที่แล้ว

    "Kafka's Murakami on the shore"? seems like I read wrong one.

  • @AB-hx8me
    @AB-hx8me 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yeah. You are true

  • @desicritics4907
    @desicritics4907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Problem with his female chrachter is very big.

  • @biswajeet9826
    @biswajeet9826 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I feel that it is overrated
    I just didn't liked the story that much...

  • @swapnil0768
    @swapnil0768 ปีที่แล้ว

    I will stop reading for as while after finishing this novel
    You know nakata is not bright anymore.

  • @snoy98307
    @snoy98307 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the best review of this book

  • @tanmayyadav7798
    @tanmayyadav7798 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So what murakami book we should read

  • @riteshthahryani
    @riteshthahryani ปีที่แล้ว

    why don't you go japan and help murakami, to work hard on his characters

  • @desicritics4907
    @desicritics4907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love and hate kafka on the shore...

  • @nevinkgeorge
    @nevinkgeorge 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very overrated