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How much colour management do you need? Which aspects are essential for photography
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มี.ค. 2021
- Keith Cooper gives an overview of colour management for photographers. It can influence every aspect of photography, from the camera to the print, but what parts are vital and what parts just nice to have.
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Keith's videos are so professional and has that charming family home like feeling where it's very welcoming. Anytime I need to look up something that Keith may cover I always type his name after what I'm looking for like "printer keith" I even recommended this channel to my friends. These videos are just so genuine and perfect everytime!
Thanks - of course it helps that my office is so crowded that I do the testing in the corner of the kitchen ;-)
Keith, your videos are fantastic! Effectively and realistically addressing so many areas of photography, printing, and color has been super helpful. I'm happy to have stumbled upon your channel! Selecting a proper monitor has my brain twisted. In what scenarios do you suggest stepping up to monitors utilizing hardware calibration vs software calibration? For instance, BenQ SW series vs PD series. The cost difference can be quite a leap. Perhaps this is a topic for another video.
Thank you - yes I'll see what I can come up with. If I'm confident it's set up well, I can edit on a much lower end monitor.
For myself it comes when I'm relying on the quality of the monitor for my work - if you're a working photographer and using a cheap monitor, it maybe suggests quite a few things... ;-)
Keith, THANK YOU For your Work and Up-Loading To TH-cam. I'm Learning So Much Form The Effort That You Put Into This.
I appreciate that
Thanks Keith for the great videos and articles on your website. With my camera I shoot in RAW - edit psd or Lightroom on Mac Book Pro M2 - Print on a 24" Epson SC-T3160N. Calibrate Monitor with a SpyderX Pro. I'm glad your videos cover what I'm looking for and learning more. Thanks again 😎 I'm from Toowoomba in Queensland
Glad it's helping! - Thanks
Hey man, I’ve learned a ton from your videos over the last few weeks since subbing. I just got a SW270; congrats on your Benq purchase. I’m very impressed with the results. Again, Thanks for the info; Keep up the hard work, man!
Thanks - do have a look at the articles on the Northlight Images site as well - the videos are often intended just to supplement the written stuff...
www.northlight-images.co.uk/photography-articles-and-reviews/
Thanks, in a nut shell. You do very, very good work.
Thanks - glad the videos are of help
yes , yes ,, the color passport and white balance is really good field equipment,, especially on a day with crappy or variable light conditions
It's something that's always in my bag on jobs - takes little effort to grab a shot of it 'just in case'
perfect 👏
Thanks!
Hi Keith. Love your videos thank you for making the time to educate us. I have a canon pro 300 and when printing images on pro platinum paper and applying that icc profile it is turning skin colour yellow/green tint. Can you explain what I need to do to fix that please.
Glad they are of help!
First up, print a known good test image to isolate the problem. I've loads on the Northlight site, some include people.
If the colour comes out wrong, it's a profile/printer/settings issue
If the test print looks good, it's more likely monitor calibration issue
Not always conclusive, but always test such problems with a known good image no matter how confident you are in your own... ;-)
Hi Keith,
I find great interest in your videos as you've made me give up an idea of buying a photo printer which actually was an unreasonable concept. With your shared knowledge I can buy it later with consciousness and knowing when I'll be ready for it. Thanks a lot!
Now I'd like to ask you about colour management. I've got a similar Benq monitor and I'm calibrating it in sRGB as I'm still using my pictures only for Internet use. I can clearly see the difference in daily use between sRGB and AdobeRGB but since my pictures are for Internet purposes should I keep it in sRGB or Adobe?
Glad it was of interest (ah, you can see that I don't sell printers ;-) )
For web use I work in A98 and then save as sRGB for web, BUT that's because I may want the option of printing. If I was only doing web work I'd probably go for an sRGB workflow. Even so I still prefer editing in a bigger space - there is more 'room' for editing - I do sometimes use ProPhoto, but that needs care.
@@KeithCooper Well, I've used AdobeRGB for general use and then saved images as sRGB for web but it concerned me that the image I was working on looked different after exporting to sRGB file which usually presented significantly worse.
@@dinosaur911 Ah, I don't very often use the monitor set at anything other than A98 - I just work in whatever space suits the job at hand.
All my applications are fully colour managed, so whilst I can see the reduced gamut of an sRGB image, it's not that often that my images push the limits. Note that's only 'normal' photos, not anything like graphics, where other considerations can impinge (lets not even start on the perils of CMYK ;-) )
If I was using any non colour managed software, I might consider changing the monitor setting. The only example for me, is editing videos with Resolve, where I set the monitor to REC709, without switching the monitor profile on my Mac
I use the i1 device with Palette Master Software to set-up a hardware profile for my BenQ monitor. Should I also do an X-rite profile as well?
No, it serves no real use - the PME software does the hardware calibration and produces a profile for the system to use.
Unfortunately, the PME software won't work with other monitors, so in the example in the video, I used i1Profiler for the attached MacBook Pro and PME for the SW321C
If you use multiple calibrations, you will need a profile for each of them. As far as I know, switching calibration mode on the monitor is not picked up anywhere else, so a manual switch is required. The only time you might not switch the profile is for some specific uses of the monitor setting - I use REC709 for example when editing video with Resolve on my Mac
I’ve watched a lot of these videos and I feel like maybe I’m missing something: I’m using a Canon Prograf-300 and MacBook Pro printing primarily black and white. By printing a profile or color profile on paper, where are the steps in adjusting my screen to reflect the paper (especially since I should not be comparing the print to the screen?) Is there a standard of luminance and other settings that would give a great start running a Pro-300 and MacBook? I suppose I’m confused what using profile prints is in relation to how I would get my prints to reflect my screen. I have a background in darkroom printing and am new to understanding digital printing. Thank you for any help
You don't really adjust screens to reflect the paper
You use a calibrator and ideally set it to a known luminance. However, the main problems with most laptops is that moving your head changes display contrast ;-)
Have a read of some of the actual articles - the videos are generally supplemental to my main articles:
www.northlight-images.co.uk/category/articles-and-reviews/monitor-calibration/
Feel free to drop me an email at Northlight - people's questions are often what give me ideas for new videos
Thank you for the information. I got a calibrator wih the monitor. Good that I dont need to calibrate the printer. What about a locking with a special light source on the print 5000K?
You profile printers...
Well, you can of course use special viewing lighting. See:
www.northlight-images.co.uk/pdv-3e-desktop-viewing-stand-review/
Excellent way of using up spare money if you feel you need more kit ;-)
I may be doing a short video about it if I get my office cleared to do some videos...
@@KeithCooper Thank you for the link. No spare cash everything goes to upgrade my camera kit for the next three years..
Hi Keith
I am considering buying a Canon pro 300 printer but noticed a shortage of ink supplies and printers too. Is there a reason for this apart from COVID which seems to be blamed for everything these days. Thanks. Love your Channel.
In the UK I had a word with someone at Canon about this (since I tried to get some ink and discovered how bad it was) There are essentially two reasons: covid and brexit. Lots of things have combined together to disrupt supply chains. I'm hoping the effect on ink supplies should ease within weeks - not much help, but it is a real shortage. I've had to put off some more testing I was going to do
Any videos coming for creating a proof for offset? lol.....Nice helpful video for a lot of folks.
Thanks, press proofing is an area I'll perhaps leave until I have a printer here to look at that is aimed at the proofing market ;-)
@@KeithCooper lol..Proofing market? lol Is there one anymore? lol.
I think in the UK they used GRACOL or something? , here in US we use SWOP. Had to use RIP software to emulate the screen and dots a press makes.
@@philindeblanc Yes, it's an area of colour management I comfortably avoid - next printer for this sort of stuff will likely be the update for the Epson P5000
I used to use cromalin pruffing back in the 80’s... the good old days of the Kord 64 and the Heidelberg speedmaster , Roland and Sakuri litho ,, although once again,, a very good light booth and a Gretag densitometer ,,, how we are spoilt today with such technology available for a couple of hundred quid,, 🤔😁😁
@@marcusbunce3406 right! and a 30min learning curve!!!
Yes, we can't print "Light" unfortunately.
Yes - The nearest is backlit display prints - they can be colour managed, but it's quite a specialised process.
I wanted to ask you what your thoughts are on EIZO color edge monitors. On a scale of 1 to 10 where would you place them. Dan
They are generally very good, but it's been a few years since I last reviewed one (it long predates my use of YT which started less than a year ago)
As to a numerical value, nope...
[see here for why I never ever use 'scores' in reviews if you're curious ;-)
www.northlight-images.co.uk/we-never-recommend-best-products/ ]
@@KeithCooper Thank you for your response. As a photographer, I try to maximize my final output (the printed image). I use Nikon d850, shoot raw, calibrate my monitor on a regular basis, use quality paper on an older epson stylus 2400 printer (its about 15 years old, time to replace). Could you give suggest names of monitors that I could research on my own, and then decide. I am just looking for a starting point, with so many out there. Thank you.
Unfortunately not - my knowledge of monitors is relatively limited, I've not looked at a wide enough range to be able to suggest any. Remember though that I never ever do comparative product reviews, so I don't have a big list of features etc.
great videos Keith,, very informative
actually EIZO make nice monitors,, only drawback with that stupid little calibration module is,, it measures the outside edge of the screen ,, not the sweetspot in the middle ,, X-Rite i1 all the way,, although I have this equipment in my print studio, as I run a closed lupe work flow, where every media has bespoke icc profiles ,, all monitors and scanners are calibrated regularly and pfuffing in controlled lighting,, occasionally I will do illumination offset profiles,, for a few customers,,
I wondered when I might see children in the other room. Lovely :)
That would be Karen - my wife ;-)
Do you remember that game "Hollywood Squares"? that's what your screen reminds me of
Yes :-)
- it's a custom image composited from the smaller ones.
It's one of the few test images I don't currently have permission to share in my collection of test images at www.northlight-images.co.uk/printer-test-images/