THIS IS WHY YOU NEED TO Play More Patient in Smash
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I must mash faster than my opponent!
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Dude, they can change all the other characters but not sonic
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If you havent seen it, I HIGHLY recommend the video " Playing, Fast and Slow" by Core A Gaming. It's very similar to this and goes in depth behind the psychology of patient and impatient play in fighting games.
Totally agree! I wrote the script for this vid (before Playing Fast and Slow came out lol) and several others on the channel and Core-A is a major inspiration. One of the absolute best FGC channels out there.
Haha, you recommending something by a content creator I know of and enjoy has made me feel superior!
I love watching his videos. Actually, 4 days ago I watched all of his analysis videos. They’re so good
Is this Core a Gaming's 2nd Account?
First thing that comes to my mind? I need to beat my roommates because they are so good but are so bad at teaching me ANYTHING about smash.
And that's why melee players don't like Hungrybox. They're so addicted to that rushdown mess that a bait and punish option just looks boring.
Not true. Some melee players dislike hbox genuinely, but others dislike him for the same reason the sm4sh group disliked zero when he was winning non stop. I personally like hbox because he brings a higher level of thinking to melee. However melee and ultimate are very different games. When you get camped in melee, there are options; when you get camped in ultimate, that's just neutral.
Bait and punish is boring in Smash. The movement makes it way too easy to do and the mechanics make it the most rewarding option 9/10 times. It's shallow.
@@lipailong2 In what game?
@@lipailong2 That depends of the character. Bowser in ultimate has funnily enough the same style, but instead of easy KOs with rest, he will rack tons of damage; he is also way more risky due to his weight, size and endlag, while melee Puff is a lot safer.
@Edwin Jiménez Aceves
1. It's pretty damn easy to bait out attacks.
2. Bait and punish isn't that far off from camping and quickly devolves into it in Elite Smash.
3. Top player isn't a skill level, it's a rank. It's based on tournament wins. If a wave of new players swept every tournament the number of top players wouldn't increase, they'd just be replaced. But I digress, top players get dumpstered by randos every other day in Smash Ultimate.
I tried convincing my aggressive Falcon main to start playing more patiently. Nevertheless, he persisted. It took me bullying him with Link, Lucina, and playing a patient Falcon in order to convive him to start working on a patient character.
Actually playing falcon patiently is gonna get you killed
@@Mono-ni7yu not true at all. you need to learn more
Alternative title: how not to get mad at elite smash ness
Other Alternative title: how to play like Sonic
@@germanazurin1501 lmao
Yes
Shadowing boxing in training. Ridiculously good advice 👌. It's what I do. Especially when you need an Ike main to win against a pichu. Better get the spacing right. Lol
Steven Xenoknight can you explain? What is shadow boxing
Take a shot every time he says patience.
i actually did this
Be patient and learn to listen to the message of the video, instead of going for the overdone joke for cheap attention.
@@AarturoSc You can do both though ;)
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Patience is one thing I lack in many games, as my play style is a lot more aggressive. Found this video very helpful, thank you as always Bonk.
Lol the hellbenders plushies in the background
😏
As Alpharad once said: FORWARD AERIAL
Thanks You helped me realise that I am to aggressive all the time.
Me as well.. frustrating as fk but something a lot of us needs to practice and get down
First thing i think about smash ultimate: nairo's comeback vs light
When smash bros advice also becomes a life lesson, be patient, dont get discouraged, dont feel rushed compared to those around you, etc
The cartridge 0:42
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I could feel the frustration in the little mac trying to kill the dark samaus
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first thing I think about when I think about Smash Ultimate is the fgc nod. You lose an interaction, get mixed, or your opponent reads you and there’s just this nod that you do- acknowledging that they were a step ahead and accepting that you need to be more conscientious about that situation if it arises again. That’s the first thing I think about, physically doing the nod and that feeling that goes along with it
I think this raises an interesting question:
Would it be bad game design to make a game where Fatality vs Runes would be the optimal playstyle?
@@davis1228 the problem with using melee as an ex is that the archetypes and meta are mostly due to more than half the roster being unviable. The decision making has more options "gameplay wise" than other games and a lot of flexibility in how you play because of it. And ppmd and armada are patient players who dominated the scene. M2k too. Its just on the surface its all just rushdown, but the layers in your choices due to movement can be varied and can add to different styles and lots of different neutral interactions. Melee has at least x2 more options than other games with how things are approached. Even shielding you have 2 types of shields and then you have the option to wavedash/waveland oos as a bonus in multiple directions.
But I would say in every fighter usuallu patient players are top 3. Even in air dash ones. Tekken 7 has nerfed movement and is too focused now on power creeps and less on neutral than other games and sfv is more on mix ups and oki than neutral like in sf4/sf3. But you have games like samurai shodown, mk11 being more neutral focused, granblue, and some other recent games. Guilty gear is more nuetral based now. Neutral based games are there in big numbers now because those games are also easier on casual players (the big money makers). The direction of both tekken and sf is pretty sad atm.
Spiked Blueshell a really quick answer to your question is actually both yes and no. I come from the mortal kombat scene, and we recently had a game designed JUST like kinda what youre looking for. It was called mkx, and it was an amazingly fun and fast paced game. Watching competitive play was hype for fans as well as for competitors. We all loved the game when it was around because there was always some crazy thing about to happen. The problem is that the only way to design a fighting game to make it unpredictable and hype like that constantly is to make it very tough and unbalanced for competitors. We loved mkx as competitors because it is what we had, but now that we have moved on to another game, we realized just how much the mechanics in mkx were designed to essentially be a game of rock paper scissors instead of what fighting games are supposed to be. So to answer your question, it can be bad game design for the people competing in the game, but it can also be very well made game design for the people watching the game and wanting to see hype moments
@@davis1228
Lol.. Another idiot crying about modern fighting games. Please show me evidence that people's attention spans are less than they used to be, or more people have ADHD. The fuck?
_"What is the first thing that comes to mind when you think about Smash Ultimate?"_
*Killing myself? Pain? Mario's with no chill?*
0:45 was my comment lol
yo your comment lol
The first thing I think about when I think of Ultimate? Monado Boy getting buffed to high heavens. Thank you Sakurai!
Thumbnail : snake wants to check your vibes
>accept
>accept
“why you should camp”
Literally
Supsip No. it means be aggressive when you need to, not all the time. Wait for someone to make a mistake or run away then when they attack go for a punish and maybe a techchase.
"why you shouldn't be a brain dead button masher who always moves toward your opponent" is another, arguably better, way of looking at it.
Jordan Cornwell exactly
Patient and passive are two different things
2:32. Well, if you've ever done martial arts competitively, or at least sparring, knowing when to back off is important in a similar way. Picking your spots, baiting your opponent, and countering effectively are part of real fighting too. So using the term "fighting game" isn't necessarily wrong
The guy that threw out rock against Gimr was actually just balling his fist cause he wanted to punch Gimr.
Patience matters because you will realize that Simon is not camping, you are failing to camp him out.
The guy who said he was going to pick rock, the other guy probably thought he was lying and that's why he put up scissors
Summery: if you can style on an opponent, do it but if not just play neutral.
Palu's Nair
Down Tilt to Forward Air (as Mario at the ledge)
That doesn't work except your opponent doesn't know how to DI
yeah, try d-tilt to iRAR backair for a real kill confirm
@@larry8673 right
LMAO thats not true
Dude that's not a true combo at all lol
I can’t be patient suiciding with ganondorf and bowser is too funny for me to stop
If I hear Smash I think of Palutena nair train
this is why you throw patience out the window with little mac. With how few options you have compared to your opponent, its best to barrage your opponent with so they dont have time to figure out which move they should counter with. Many macs rely solely on c stick tho xd
The first thing I think of is ladder combos and meteor kicks.
(I’m a ZSS and Zelda main)
FORWARD AERIAL
I had instant improvement, made me realize I was way to aggressive. Thank you
It’s not like I’m able to play at a high level. But patients makes playing the random people in my school really easy. Not to mention that it’s scary to low level players.
I think the best example I can think of was watching a competitive match it was link vs. Ganon. Link was always trailing behind Ganon , and link needed up winning cause he had patience
The first thing I think about when thinking about smash ultimate is: the very poor neutral rewarding the "patient" player while punishing any form of aggression. The buffer system makes me feel like I'm always playing 8 seconds in the past while my character buffers a short hop arial when I wanted a full hop one.
Patience is a great mind tool for fighting games but I think smash ultimate takes it too far. Having an entire character jugded on how good their zoning tools, oos options, and how good their nair is; just makes me want to go play melee or any other fighting game where the balance between patience and aggression isn't squewed in one direction. And for those of you who will say, "just play another game," or "git gud," that's not why I'm saying all this. I'm saying it cause a lot I people want to play this game on a less than casual level, but get turned off when the game has built in mechanics that reward lane play. I still like ultimate tho lol
@@davis1228 those games have a defined neutral tho. I played 3rd strike and played traditional fighters and the thing that all have in common is limited movement. The lack of fast movement in those games forces players to be more reactive and punish over committing opponents. Also melee was made 20 years ago as a party game so I doubt that sakurai intended the game to be for ADHD and whatever kind of people you have a personal vendetta against, it just had the right amount of tech for people to pick it up as a competitive esport. Also thanks for comparing smash to tekken cause you know they're basically the same game lol wut.
@@davis1228 hey man that's all good. See when your word it this way it comes off as less aggressive and more responsive to my comment. BUT you forgot that people resonate a lot with aggressive playstyles, it may not be "optimal," but it's fun to watch. Using your analogy of martial arts: Mike Tyson isn't known for being a defensive player and neither is Floyd Patterson but Mike Tyson made a name for himself because he was so oppressive. Also on a tangent, my original post was complaining about the limited movement in a SMASH game and how the game feels very slow for a SMASH game, so why are you bringing up traditional 2d fighters and comparing video games to pro martial arts. like apples to apples man lol.
A fun game that u can play when friends come
these videos make smash sound like a sport i mean the physical kind
The first thing i thought about was stocks. The next thing was taking them.
I think of the massive fighter roster when i think about ultimate
I like when its bonk and not the other guy
Moral of the story: just fucking camp in one of the most fast pace fighters lmao
Any good Little Mac player has mastered this mentality since our whole meta when playing online is dealing with platform camping (which is the stupidest thing yeah I can’t punish you to hard for it but your not doing to much to me either for 99% of the roster) or playing a bullet hell with projectile campers
Every Fighting Game is about patience at the end of the day. For those adrenaline junkies that hate Hungrybox, they clearly lack it. Hype comes from one player figuring out another and where true masters of patience partake in their elegant dance. Real life fights are like this too. Everything about fighting isn't just a hype montage, but a battle of wits and quick thinking. You need to play smart in order to dominate the competition and if you want to be the fastest. . .just take a moment to smell the flowers.
I think about Joker, my main. And Byleth, my secondary.
Proguides: doesn't make excactly ten minute video
Everyone else: impossible
Wow the explanation was great this is really going to help
Answer of the day; When I think SSBU; Why cant I play as Bomberman?...
how to die fast: take a shot everytime bönk says patience
Nice advice, it's good to say: Don't confuse be slow with be patient!
Sorry for my english
i play mega man so i typically punish people’s impatience to try to rush me
"The more patient player is more likely to win"
All the people who play patient and get totally destroyed by super aggressive players:
WTF!? 🤬 (insert Jackie Chan meme here)
The first thing I think of when I think Smash is probably the Characters.
"Your best matchup won't look like a 64 combo contest" so what DOES look like a 64 combo contest and why do the higher level players' gameplay look like it?
When I play as Byleth against a very good Joker player, I loose all my patients. They can just weave in and out around every single option I throw out and hard punish me. And if I approach slower, they just dash grab. I give up and switch to Samus, who can bomb camp.
First thing I think of is always Ganondorf cus I have my favorites
Also haven't met s Sonic unwilling to take the game to time every time
Your awesome bonk. this helped me win alot with steve!
The music!
I just read the description. You're tellin me THE KEEF CREW is part of pro guides?!!?
yeah but my friend gets mad when i don’t approach for 5 seconds when i have the lead
Then wait for him to rush you
@Edwin Jiménez Aceves thats on him... Send this video to him
Drakenstar78 Legend that’s the whole thing, he whines if i ever wait for him. and he plays fucking snake so he’s not gonna approach me but gets mad when i don’t approach him
@@everyonesaidmynamewasstupi3713 Let him whine. If it bothers you that much, then you're rewarding his whining.
Wanna build patience ? Find a good Snake main and play with him until you win
Forward Ariel
When playing SF5, when I try rushing, the CPU always spams me. I never realized how its teaching me to be patient. Well I do now because of this video.
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Thanks a lot, man. This has been one of the most important videos for my Smash improval.
A lot of characters in this game rely on patience like the Pits, zelda, falco but no wants to be patie
When I hear ¨snash bros¨ I think of the game image, that one of all the fighters
Pikachu busted
Pikachu busted
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What is the thing you think about smash?
A game were u kill your enemy by launching them
I think of Diversity and Authenticity when I think of smash ultimate
Honestly it’s the flaming smash ball
the roster
The first thing that comes to mind when I think of Smash is: "Link is Sick"
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And this is why Snake is DA BEST!
Nice video. Thanks
No DLC means 69 fighters
this video was actually really good
Ha!....mices....he said mices....
Pika back air
This explains why I don't win often
fighting games are about making decisions. That's how they were in the past. I'm a diehard Soulcalibur fan and though I played Smash since 1999 my true 1st online experince was Smash4 and Ultimate. I like how Smash has Rage mechanic as a comeback factor and even DI. In that sense Smash is a pure Fighting game at a competitive level.Soulcalibur 6 has taken Rock paper Scissors and turned it in to a cutscene. in fact the process of decision making has been over simplified to the point its not decision making but well, button pressing. The addition of Soulcharge along with Reversal Edge makes the game more of "checkers" than chess. in terms of competition I say Smash is more of a pure fighting game than Soulcalibur6. I wish Soulcalibur was like Smash in that sense.And don't even get me started with Melee and its mechanics lol
In my opinion, Smash ultimate is all about spamming your safest moves to cover as many options as possible.
Literally have my main as the thumbnail, and something I lack as the title that I needed to learn wtf
The first thing that comes to my mind when thinking about smash ultimate is Smash Ultimate,logical isn't it?
I really like your videos. Thank you for these!
Frigate Orpheon and WarioWare not being counterpicks.
I think about my main, Samus. No, not Zero Suit Samus. Samus. Not even campy playstyle Samus. Not only am I one of the small group of people who play her, I play her *aggresively.*
The first thing I think of is that I need a switch
FOWARD AERIAL
First thing? ESAM !
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What is the second song in this video
some one please tell me its driving me crazy
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