Firing Line w/ Thomas Sowell "The Economic Lot of Minorities" Debunking Critical Race Theory
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 พ.ค. 2012
- Thomas Sowell discusses hotly debated topics on race, equity, equality, racism, public policy, diversity, and social fabric.
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This video has been posted with the express permission of the Hoover Institution at Stanford University: subject to condition of use agreement executed on 9/14/2012.
When was this interview?
@@Synaptic_Response This interview/program took place in 1977. It is one of the earliest available interviews of Sowell on the internet.
His earliest interview could be seen at the end of the From Cradle To Grave episode of the Free To Choose Series of 1980.
How is it possible that society has regressed from the findings outlined by 'Thomas Sowell' here?
The elevation of Jews, Chinese, Japanese - ahead of Anglo-Saxons - in America is testament to how well the American system has performed and its ideals have been realised.
I did the same already haha
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Sowell had all this shit figured out decades ago and we're still arguing about the exact same issues today. Incredible.
+Dubstep Classics HD Right you are, sir! And now look, Judge Scalia is being raked over the coals and called a racist on Huffinton Post for basically saying affirmative action is not helping blacks - in complete agreement with Sowell. We should refer all those cement headed no nothings to this video.
+Dubstep Classics HD I know thats right its darn near scary....Thomas must be a strong man watching all this take forth and cant do nothing about it.
+'I am growing stronger' No, he didn't have it figured out. I'm amazed how they either chose to ignore the correlation between Black people and Native Americans earning potential in American society. On average Black people and Native Americans earn less then every other ethnic group. Some how Sowell doesn't see the symbiotic historical relationship of for one Native American and subjugation of their wealth. Which is the land America sit on. And a labor force historically has never been compensated. Those are glaring issues that an intellectual would never miss. And would try to find the data to address the issue.
+Will Wright he specifically addressed the issue of income by groups.
Scott Raymond I didn't hear that part, I missed it......I'm going to watch the video again. So i can hear exactly what was said.
Anyone else find it fascinating to see Thomas Sowell defend women’s competence and autonomy to a self-proclaimed “feminist “. This is a man of purity and zero biases. His wisdom should be taught in every school in this country.
Amen!
🥰👍
And it should be taught.
He seems to just go where the data takes him rather than a prescribed narrative, something lost on many in today’s climate.
Interesting question can you tell me not using non market arguments! This interviewer is so crafty! Of course my opinion.
There needs to be a Thomas Sowell action figure, dressed in this suit.
I'd buy the f out of that
I'd unironically buy 20
I would put this on my mantleplace and sit my infant son on lap and teach him about TS and how not all heroes wear capes
Hell yeah I want one too
Best comment ever!
Sowell literally changed my life. I read "Basic Economics" and "Wealth, Poverty and Politics" and decided I wanted to study economics. I'm now a graduate student studying economics.
Which means you must've learned that at least half of what Sowell wrote about economics is wrong.
@@themaskedman221 Like what?
Basic economics changed my life as well
@@real_john_doe Like lots. His assessment of the causes of the 2007 -2009 "Great" Recession was 100 percent wrong. This is also a good example of how his political ideology often interferes with his analysis: he *really* wanted to blame the federal government for the last recession, and that's what he did even though all the evidence shows that prime credit borrowers (not subprime borrowers) created the housing bubble.
@@themaskedman221 He argues that government officials coerced lenders, both through legislation and various threats to penalize banks that didn't go along, to change their lending standards, which is what led to the preponderance of subprime borrowing as well as the proliferation of investors taking advantage of this and stretching themselves over their skis. From that perspective, the government's incentive to ease lending standards seems to be the main issue.
Legend. This guy still writes columns on the same subjects. How he's been able to keep his sanity after literally decades of intellectually demolishing people while watching society continue with it's delusions is beyond me.
Great point
"intellectually demolishing people"
Because the world needs more bullshitters and less workers and doers... Right-wing sophism will fix the planet...
***** "Bullshitters and less workers and doers"... that's exactly what we have right now, people with lesbian dance theory degrees demanding 15$ an hour for a minimum wage job because they "deserve it". Thomas Sowell has contributed immensely to society, and if you actually cared to listen he has the knowledge to change society. It's ignorant libtard leftists who are destroying Western civilization.
Guy Pierce
You just spewed more bullshit and proved my comment beyond a doubt. Another pathetic right-wing drone...
***** You have yet to make a point.
I absolutely love how there’s no clapping after everything each person says.
Now that you point it out, that is so incredibly comfortable
Too true, too often debaters attempt to win the crowd instead of their argument.
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True that. Bill Mahar is currently trying to adjust without his trained seals.
@@melodymakermark all those late show hosts are now exposed without their sheep. Trevor Noah is a racist and can't tell a joke without making some stupid voices, it's called a punchline
@@michaeltrombetta6181 It is the most annoying part of the contemporary popular intellectual scene. This is not a sports game. It's a rigorous discussion that has to do with the future of the western economy and philosophy. It's like good lord are we now so obtuse.
“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” - Plato
Plato is an inferior philosopher who’s ideas of forms do not serve as appropriate clichés to match the rational thinking of people like Sowell. Aristotle, perhaps, but not Plato.
Plato's politics are utterly despotic. What a horrible role model.
@@PrinceBieBrockP Sowell would definitely engage in politics in an environment like Plato's Athens.
@@PrinceBieBrockP You're a silly pretender who doesn't know anything about philosophy. Why would you cite a disparaging term like "cliches" as an objective of rational thought? And why would any description of objective truth not have a place in philosophy?
Sadly, today there are more people that "feel" like that lady... than "think" like Mr. Sowell.
Prof. Sowell is an Amerian Treasure.
Excellent comment. The left attempts to distract with feelings, while the right focuses on facts.
My Lord she's annoying.
Poor woman, I thought the 13th amendment made it illegal to own someone like that.
+TGGeko Brilliant!
+TGGeko hahaha
He gave her 4th degree burns.
I'll find a way to use that in real life
#rekt
Thomas Sowell was born in 1930, which means he was 51 when this episode occurred. He looks like he's in his late 30s here.
+AnxietyMisfit Its amazing. He is one of the most gracefully aged people I've ever seen. I saw a video of him back in 2012 when he was 82 and I swear he didn't look older than 60.
+malbowz 125 You know what they say...black don't crack lol
Chances are he doesn't live with the stress that most Americans do, why worry about what's going to happen tomorrow. He knows what might happen and is already prepared for it.
holy shit! good call
Old Man from Scene Twenty Four I've heard him talk about what's going to happen in the future and he's very pessimistic because of the left and they're outrageousness. He's content w his work and satisfied that he won't be here
"The problem isn't that Johnny can't read. The problem isn't even that Johnny can't think. The problem is that Johnny doesn't know what thinking is; he confuses it with feeling."
- Thomas Sowell
This is the best discussion I've seen in over a decade. I need to fill my library with every book Sowell has written.
Same!
@Caleb Young who are the others? I want to check them out
@Caleb Young Dont worry about it. The list you gave is more than enough for a start. Thank you so much!
Check out Charter Schools and their enemies by Sowell
Keilah Michal Spann he just published a new one , “Charter Schools and their Enemies “, the man is 90 years old!!! What an amazing man! Great recent interview about this book on You tube.
"The acoustics must be very bad in here..."
Even his burns are polite
I loved that one, but he only said it after like 4 times.
He politely burns Keynes & Krugman repeatedly over the decades. It makes me laugh every time I catch it.
Best burn if there ever was one.
Lmao I heard him say that and asked myself did he just......yes he did!!!🤣🤣
@@harbingertheheretic3541 Have you got links to point me towards the burning of each of these economics heavy weights? I would highly appreciate that.
He's so right about public schools being a monopoly that doesn't have any interest in serving their customers. You have no choice so they have no need to improve
I'm watching this in January 2021 and find it depressing that we're still having the same debate, Thomas Sowell is a remarkable man, Clear and concise responses, destroys her arguments with facts.
Shows you the state of American education.
90 years old and still the smartest man in America.
@Andrew Cromartie lol you right!!!
Debatable. Would love to see a discussion between him and jared taylor
@King White Knight To be precise, J.P. is a Canadian but both men are brilliant.
I would pay a lot of $$$ to watch a debate w/ Dr. Sowell & Biden. Biden would need a team of a dozen or more intellectuals talking to him through an ear piece to feed him answers.It would be epic!
@@4katt372 they've done it before, in senate chambers.
I could listen to him for hours.
Me too! He's brilliant.
Imagine if everyone in the country had Thomas Sowell for a high school economics teacher.
He’s from the Chicago School of Economics. That’s Milton Friedman’s group. Legendary economists in the vein of Austrian Economists and the great Ludwig von Mises and FA Hayek!
Same!
I could look at you for hours!
"If the situation is going to remain as it presently exists the results will remain as they presently exist." Sowell is a gift. 51:12
This man's been having this same argument for 50 years now. He's literally probably forgotten more about this than most people today arguing against him will ever know. Legend
Literally probably! That’s an awful oxymoron.
Yes and he has seen his political opponents use the same tired strategies and broken policies over and over for decades - that must be very frustrating and demoralizing
30:49 "One of the key ways of holding blacks in slavery at low cost was to keep the people dependent as much as possible" - Thomas Sowell explaining 2018 in 1981.
On the bright side, President Trump is the first president in recent decades who's domestic policies Sowell likes.
Ha!! What??
I cannot believe I'm saying this, but black conservatives are leading me safely through these crazy times
See. The parties didn’t switch now did they? The Democrats just switched tactics.
@@IronCavalier I woke up to this disturbing fact over a decade ago.
This was in 1981, a black man speaking with authority in an area he is good.
Woman: I know that of my own knowledge
Sowell: No you don't know that of your own knowledge because I have also looked at the same thing.
Wow!
she folded up like a cheap briefcase after he said that
yeah! he knew his stuff!
Sowell is a true legend. How tiring leftists get with their repetitive narratives.
Progressives= short on facts, long on rhetoric.
Ridicule seems to be their main weapon.
Sowell must have been the loneliest guy in the world for a long time, always being the smartest guy in the room.
He still is.
We are the pioneers, inventors, and Explorers. No one compares to us
Excepting this occasion.
@@verborgenewahrheit1594 who is us?
@@DjTittySprinklez
Europeans
The phrase “Gentleman and a scholar” fits him well!
Similar to a Malcom X. Confident.
PBS wouldn't be caught dead airing this today.
PBS and NPR are run by liberal, if not left-leaning libertarian, pussies .
TickleMeElmo55 Uh.. what? You got it right with liberal, but NPR and PBS are as far away from libertarian as you can get. And Sowell is mostly libertarian, especially when it comes to economics.
When it comes to economics/fiscal matters, libertarians and republicans are pretty much in agreement. It's on social issues that they disagree.
That's because they are no more smart, civilized conservatives.
Only if you live under a rock. No more smart liberals is more like it. Sowell is still alive btw.
Only just discovered Thomas Sowell ...... So glad I did.
Same here. Got to pick up some of his books.
And funny too.
Likewise. He seems like a really sharp and intelligent guy, doesn't he?
Welcome to the fan club!
I know -- what drivel have I been listening to such that I completely overlooked the erudition of Dr Sowell.
Drawing the distinction between "theory" and "findings" Is why Buckley is a good analyst , and why Sowell is of the best Chroniclers of our times.
I love how Dr. Sowell closes her, and each time she simply moves on to a new talking point...with literally no effort to defend her indefensible arguments.
Unbelievable, nothing has changed and it's 2020.... Same debate, same feminist refusing to look at the evidence.
Things HAVE changed. In 2020, instead of asking him questions and disagreeing, she'd just call him a Nazi racist Trumptard and act like she won the debate.
Feminist logic is impervious to evidence😂
@INatalkaI
😂👍
"Cathy Newman"
@@cliffordgill9052 Not to be a Nahtzee, but it's *"Feminist OCCULTISM"*.
Remember actual debate and discourse?
I recommend checking out The Rubin Report. Honest intellectual discourse.
+Jack Powell If you want to hear the same views from the same 5 people every time, sure
+David Molyneux The last two guests I saw were Michael Ian Black and Dinesh D'souza.....totally the same.
+Jack Powell Love Rubin. He reminds me of Thomas in many ways, wisdom through research and experience. People who actually seek information and insights to grow understanding usually do. Those who seek only to solidify their stances usually do.
Hmmm?
Thomas Sowell is my hero . Im going to buy every single one of his books. What a gift to the world he is.......
Get them while they are still being sold on the shelf! (And just to be safe buy them offline without leaving your name and address at the bookstore - as far as Dems and some other retards are concerned you might as well be buying an authographed copy of "Mein Kampf"!
I would like to also, btw, Buckley , with his faux accent and Yale background, is a pompous dick
His book basic economics is on my shelf. I’m a quarter of a way through it.
Have you bought the books yet?
there are a number of free audio books here on youtube by tom.
"A woman who is single at age age 40, having spent 10 or 20 years raising children is really not quite the same as a man of age 40 who has been working continuously for 20 years."
The way in which Sowell silences people with cold hard facts is amazing.
I feel that I have wasted 76 years of my life by only discovering Thomas Sowell recently. The more I see of him the more impressed I become. The exchange between him and Mrs Pilpel shows the depth of his thinking. He is an astonishing individual.
I haven't lost as many years, Alan, but too many. Sowell is brilliant.
And the reason it takes so many of us so long to discover him is because our media don't want anyone to know about him.
@@dave131 Yes. Funny how the junk news media never mention Piers Corbyn when resuming banging on about "climate change".
...and completely unbothered by her attempts to show him up. I wonder did they shake hands after?
The internet and the home computer has brought Dr. Sowell to our attention at last.
Mr Sowell teaches all of us a great lesson : Let us not have vague opinions based on popular culture, but firm beliefs based on facts and research.
A new theory might appear and debunk what was considered common knowledge yesterday. Facts are evaluated differently depending with what point of view a scholar has looked at them.
What you just written in your comment echoes Sowell's explanation on leaving the Marxist ideology, that he once held too.
"Facts can not be assertions and assertions can not be facts!"
Amen to that.
@@built4speed101 ✊🏿👏🏿😁
Sowell brilliantly diagnosed the problems, then concluded nonsense as solutions.
Easily the most articulate and accurate personality of my lifetime.
"The acoustics must be very bad in here." LOL I'm stealing this phrase.
😆
I can't even imagine a show of this caliber being on television today. Civil people engaging in a thoughtful conversation about important issues. The banality and spectacle of today media is so different from this program it feels like it came from another planet. Amazing how much we have degraded in 20 years.
It was Thomas Sowell that really made me question all my left leaning economic ideas.
Leftists are pricks. 👍🏻
@@Dangerous2099 Many if not most are certainly prigs anyway.
@@Dangerous2099 th-cam.com/video/Bmc9NFfhx74/w-d-xo.html
Good start. Now onto Milton Friedman, Gary Becker, Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard, Ludwig Von Mises, Carl Menger, Bohm Bawerk, Niall Ferguson and Hernando de Soto
@@dmonarredmonarre3076 Hans Hermann Hoppe
I could listen to him all day. Come this X-mas, I'm putting his books on my list.
Sowell is one of the greatest thinkers. Great thinkers will always be ignored by the masses who want to protest and complain, but don't want to think.
54:19 Buckley: "Forgive me, but he has said that three times."
54:28 Sowell: "The acoustics must be very bad in here."
That’s exactly what we need to do stand up as Mr. Buckley & Sowell did not answer a question over & over & over. Shut them up !
@@rrn3263 they did tho...
Lmao
Sound OK to me here, ( hear)
I would have been the only guy in that audience who would have easily broke out laughing at that one. Utterly destroyed her.
Man! We're dumber today than we were 40 years ago.
You bet. Dumber and less attention span. Technological distractions and media brainwashing are leaving their mark.
and its no coincidence ... look no further than the power elitism in financial, corp and academia.
Absolutely has been on purpose.
Very true. Dumb as sand.
Anyone’s dumber next to Sowell.
What? You mean you didn't find Cardi B helping Joe Biden to choose the most stylish adult diaper, peppered with low-IQ musings(from Biden *AND* Cardi), dotting T's and I's of predictably pop-Leftist/cultural Marxist low-hanging fruits of rife and dangerous ignorance, as intellectually and curiosity-satisfying as *this* exchange of antiquity with Mr. Sowell and Mr. Buckley? How *dare* you, sir. Please provide all your social media designations, so I can release my Twitterati hounds upon you, relieving you from your likely white-privileged job and ensure your CCP-approved social credit score is ruined. Silence about racism, is complicity with racists, sir.
Rare to have seen Bill Buckley quite so intellectually in awe of any guest - at any time. Usually, the bigger the reputation, the greater the challenge for him.
Stand this alongside the Chomsky ‘Fining Line’ and the difference is stark. Thomas Sowell speaks with absolute authority on that which he knows, and ignores totally that which he doesn’t. An absolutely honest intellectual.
Thats the type of humility that is baron in the world. To speak confidently on what you know, and not to comment on things you don’t.
Chomsky was the only guest on Firing Line to actually agitate William F Buckly to literally threaten punching the guest.
Chomsky, though highly intelligent, sounds like thought wall paper. Tonal range, no variation.
@@yvoncormier9762 Implausible as that might seem at face value, I could actually believe both that Buckley could have felt that degree of antipathy, AND that Chomsky could easily inspire it !!
If you had any clue at all you would know that Buckley was publicly advocating conservative philosophies when Sowell was still a socialist.
Why do you think Buckley did this show ? There was no money in it, and he was already the most connected person in America, so it wasn’t for influence.
He introduced the US to people like Friedman and Sowell to help disseminate Conservative arguments.
Chomsky, with his sociological determinism, is a profound idiot.
I am almost crying watching this video. This man saved my life before I even knew who he was. In 2014 I was reading Basic Economics, the book that introduced me to economics and made me understand the world in a very different light. I have read that book at least 5 times but never realized that he wrote it. I never knew who Thomas Sowell was until discovering one of his interviews on the internet. I am very grateful.
Now I need to fill my library with his books, I am sure that he has more to share. Bless him.
Woow me too😂
@@kaaffuu it's amazing how someone you don't even know can have such an impact in your life.
That woman is a textbook example for the racism of low expectations.
No she is the true White Supremacist! She thinks these ignorant black people can't survive without white liberal help.
Lowered expectations...to the Mad TV melody of said skit
Also, the perpetuation of this garbage from generation to generation!
Yea, she basically said, "well black parents won't be able to make the decision to send their kids to good schools if we give them vouchers. So let's let the government make the decisions for them."
It's the Leftist's insidious racism. They have a White Savior complex.
I was cringing so hard my eyebrows wouldn’t go back.
Her sanctimony was more offensive than anything I’ve heard recently. I guess they’ve got the lines practiced a little smoother these days.
Still the same smug superiority though.
This type of thinking is too logical for people. People aren't logical. They are emotional.
There is no such thing as too logical. Either you are using logic or you are not. ;) Also, yes. People react with emotions instead of backing off and thinking about problems.
People are both logical and emotional. The trick is to find the correct balance and many people do not have it. In modern society we are stimulated emotionally far more than intellectually and neural connections that are repeatedly stimulated become the strongest and those that are not stimulated much become weak and atrophy away. Both emotions are intellect are important aspects of being human and both have value.
TPQ1980 well said
Scott, David Hume totally agrees with you
@@Kiutsuki wasn't hume mainly know for the is/ought problem , pardon my ignorance if spoke about rationalism or logical thought.
duckduckgo.com/?q=logic+definition&t=lm&ia=definition that is if we accept that this is what logic means ?
The calm conviction of his statements.... I aspire to be as fact based as Mr.Sowell.
I remember being completely in awe of William Buckley as a kid. Not joking, his manner, his voice and way of speaking, the way he sat back in his chair... And his brilliance.
And Thomas Sowell is a national treasure. His abilty to cut right through the BS and state was is real... Amazing.
If you can't stand a smart black man that stands on his own like Thomas Sowell....you might be a Liberal.
*****
Of course it's interesting, do you think it's factual? This is the objection to the liberal, that facts don't seem to mean anything to them.
*****
Then there is that liberal propensity for blather.
guthy ranker Ah, not really. I am a Liberal. Progressives, the alt left, the leftist, the regressive the left, and The Socialists.
The most embarrassing thing, is that the right has invented a boogeyman in a vacuum!!! The “liberal” is a spawn of Satan, that does not really exist in the way we are supposed to believe. Liberals can be just as useful and meaningful as conservatives, in our societies. It is our differences, that has allowed America to thrive. Liberal, Conservative, whatever. We are what enabled America to be GREAT. We need each other.
@@richarddavis1163 Ugh... you DID sound like them! well done, your comment will be the one that gives a leftist pause because that is what happened TO ME, and I simply stated they lost and didn't refute my knowledge I gave them, essentially gloating before all on the thread egging him on.
Interesting how the woman's arguments were summarily destroyed: 40 years later, the only voices given an audience are those echoing her patently false ideas.
Because like with the arguments with blacks - they can always say any difference is ultimately due to some systemic discrimination - like women don't choose the high paying occupations because of discrimination for them not to be in that profession (computer science, surgeons, etc).
@@mdarrenu lol if you are denying that laws have unfairly targeted minorities on purpose, that redlining doesn't exist, that segregation and jim crow don't have a negative generational impact on the current population, then you are living in a fairy tale and I urge you to pick up a book, ANY book, and learn to read it
@@SP35640SNAKE You're an idiot
Sean Go away victimhood shill
@Michael Terrell II Beta male.
"THE ACOUSTICS MUST BE VERY BAD IN HERE!" Legendary Sowell...God I wish this man could live forever for common sense sake... I'm sure his many books will. Thank you Dr. SoWELL. Logic is becoming extinct.
When I am frustrated, I come back to this video for hope.
I wish I lived in a neighborhood filled with Thomas Sowells
I wish we lived in a world full of Tomas Sowells.
A true end to inequality.
Don’t we all!
54:19 LOL "The acoustics must be very bad in here..." .. and the smirk afterward... oh man... classic Sowell right there...
Ha Hawk Hitchslapped
+Ha Hawk also 'i'm sorry you missed the earlier part of the program where i said...' when she was standing there the whole time
Ha Hawk, that look he gives is the look of someone who is in a state of calm but focused attack
He flipped her script. She couldn't recover.
Ha Hawk lmao he tried so hard not to laugh
Sowell to Pilpell: "I'm sorry you missed the earlier part of the program..." Smooth putdown.
I feel like I’ve had my head in the sand for too long. I suppose it’s never too late to discover such a bright light as Thomas Sowell
How in the world are we still arguing about this stuff in 2020 when sowell had this shit figured out in the ‘80s?
Buckley did in the 60s
Friedman same
Go figure
Race baiting is big bucks. Ask shakedown artist Al Sharpton.
@@maggie2sticks717 You forgot most democratic politicians, Jesse Jackson, Michael Eric Dyson, and the black church. They love to put the blame everywhere except where it truly belongs.
@@chembiz Blame is a trap that is incredibly difficult to escape from. The more you blame others the further away you move from the solution.
We stopped listening to honest economists and academics and started cherry picking the “experts” who would tell us what we wanted to hear instead of what was empirically true.
I think if people had listened to what Thomas Sowell was saying 30 - 40 years ago, our country wouldn't be in the sorry state that it's in today.
Lyndon Johnson destroyed any chance of that.
The woman is wrong on every point she brings up, and yet she carries on with no acknowledgement to this fact. Amazing...
Sadly, that is typical of the left....
My thoughts exactly.. truths and facts bounce off her as if she’s immune to them.
She’s demonstrating the racism of low expectations. She thinks parents are too stupid to understand how to get their kids into a better school.
😂🤣
@@lylestrong5115 Exactamundo!
Love it when Sowell says to the woman “You can say that all you want but the evidence is against you”.
Call the burn unit.
Dat Economist fro
Is that how you become an economist? Scheduling my appointment for a perm immediately!
This is 40 years ago. Yet, it have not change. Truth is consistent. You have to be willing to embrace it fully.
Or if you disagree with it, at least have the damn courtesy to not call someone an uncle tom for not following a particular agenda
A few commenters in here are just showing their own racism and entitlement to black people's minds, whilst believing they're post-racial crusaders
How do you know how long ago it was
@@KI.765 You don't understand racism!
I have been arguing this for so long amongst friends in South Africa. Inadequate public schooling means children are ill prepared to enter University or the job market and to add insult to injury, social grants mean the incentive to work is also lowered...The cherry on top in this quagmire is that a young graduate in South Africa struggling to find employment gets no assistant from government financially while someone who has a child they cant afford to rear can apply for and get a social grant. If said individual has a second child the grant money will increase...
This is surreal, 39 years past, and spot on today. I so admire this man!
Almost 40 years later -- we're hearing the same rhetoric in regards to wage gaps. Amazing.
The first topic on IQs could not even be discussed today without a protest and disruption.
I was just thinking how awesome it would be if we could still have debates like this today. I mean I'm sure they happen but not nearly as much as they used to or as publicly as this example.
Sexist Spaghettios All of my debates nowadays occur with a high degree of cloak and dagger haha
@ Forget prison. I know quite a few people with "gifted" IQs who are complete misfits. My brother has a 160 IQ, a PhD, and he hasn't worked any kind of a job in 10 years! Also, I have gifted friends from college who are similarly unproductive and just bum around.
@ Some kind of holistic approach that takes into account various aspects of intelligence would make for a better metric than just IQ alone, but IQ is still a metric and studying/debating the correlations is useful.
@ Nobody knowledgeable thinks that IQ is a great predictor of "success," however you want to define it, and it certainly doesn't increase linearly. There are many factors that determine career, behavior, personality, etc. The kinds of things IQ measures tend to transfer more directly to technical fields of math and science. Success in a field like literature is more subjective, and the field itself is more subjective. Even if IQ has a large effect on literary skill, which it likely does, it doesn't take brilliant writing to produce a best seller; that's more about targeting the lowest common denominator.
17:33 "As I look at numbers from various places around the world, I don't find anything faintly resembling an even representation of people in any institution anywhere in the world broken down by any way. There is no country in which the military force represents even approximately the ethnic composition of its society. What's amazing to me is that this notion that people would be evenly represented -- except for these institutional policies -- that notion has such momentum behind it without a speck of evidence being asked for or presented."
You could never have such an honest intellectual discussion on these topics today.
I wish Dr. Sowell would have run for President. I'd vote for him in a second.
Will McCormick well unfortunately those that run the system need easily twicked puppets so the many sowells that exist would not see the light of day and if they did would end up dead quick
With Walter Williams as his running mate.
The left hasn't changed in 40 years. They're still saying the same things and expecting a different result. She thinks she understands being black and being poor more than this knowledgeable man who succeeded in doing what she says doesn't work. I both loved and hated this debate.
It's more pernicious than that. It's appropriate that she doesn't take his background into consideration when there is a rational discussion of data, causality and conclusions. What is breathtaking to me is that Harriet is quite sure of every single point she makes and utterly ignores Dr. Sowell's responses as if he is a cardboard cutout. She views blacks as a whole as needing to be looked after and helped by programmatic means dictated by government bureacracy. When faced with straightforward, reasoned evidence to the contrary, Harriet lacks even the intellectual curiosity or rigor to be defensive at her own absurd position on the subject. It's almost unbelievable, like a weird play.
Hummm . She's telling Dr Sowell about being poor, black , and parents without educational background . Dr Sowell grew up in Harlem , and was the first person in his family to go beyond the seventh grade .
This was a systematic demolition of every one of the feminist ladies arguments in real time, it's beautiful to see. Listening to Dr. Sowell speak is like listening to a fine piece of music. It's truly art, he's undeniably one of the smartest people to ever walk this Earth.
It sure is but what’s most tragic is he is largely ignored in universities and mainstream
Media.. this is truly depressing
As a 24 year old currently, born in 1996, its amazing to watch current politics and see that they are arguing about the exact same shit 40 years ago. Thomas had it figured out so long ago and nothing has changed
Happy 90th birthday, Dr. Sowell. June 30, 2020
He is 91 now. Still going strong.
This man is a L E G E N D.
They both are.
Two of the best minds: William F. Buckley & Thomas Sowell!
Sowell: “It’s not born out by the data” which is “available to anyone who would care to go look it up”
Wow, so even way back then facts still didn’t care about people’s feelings
Lol, nope.
not to feminists. that's why they "ally" themselves with every 'victim' group they can, to keep them irrational, as well.
Yep. Real bastards they are, facts.
@@LYLEWOLD Then the 'victims' they spoke out for invariably came back to eat them. Just like the men who call themselves women and are thus seen as higher on the oppression scale than real women.
I love it! Facts, that is.
Love how the woman is skirting around what she really wants to say. "The white liberal knows what's best and how dare you be ungrateful Thomas!" It's paternalism at it's worst explicitly asking how black people could possible know what's best for their children.
Especially when he says "I WAS an unemployed black teenager in 1949..."
Much of Sowell's writing boils down to who gets to make the decisions about your life, and how the individual has more consequential knowledge about his life than any politician or bureaucrat.
YES!!!!
marudoethiopia This lady looks like she has never had any children of her own. Legs glued together. She can’t hear any logic because she can’t lose her moral authority which her unbounding compassion gives her.
She looks like she has a house full of cats.
"You can say that all you want but the evidence is completely against you"...holy shit
I’m a latecomer to this Gentleman.
How nice and decent would it have been to see him in politics.
The discourse here would be so welcome (for the silent majority) in these times.
Please keep sharing these videos so others may discover this wisdom too!
“I’m sorry you missed the first half of this program when I explained that.....” - Thomas Sowell LOL 😂
Dr. Sowell created the mic drop before it was a mic drop.
@@TheWinterShadow The OG of facts don't care about your feelings.
@46 min in
@@TheWinterShadow lmfao FAXXXX
he's such a douche bag
I'm glad that Sowell flushes out the methodological issues with the statistics Harriet uses. Good man.
It's hard to believe Thomas Sowell was 51 when this interview took place. William F. Buckley was 56 and yet he looks at least 20 years older than Sowell.
He was a heavy smoker.
I cannot believe he was 51 in this, good lord he's gonna live forever. Hopefully
How do you know his age hear
@@yngclothing This episode aired in 1981. He was born in 1930.
I have never seen Buckley scramble to keep up with a guest until Sowell. It's interesting to see how many times Buckley asks a leading question, only to be pre-empted by Sowell, who takes the argument in a direction Buckley doesn't anticipate, usually back to data. I'm glad Sowell's constant reliance on empirical data intimidates other people as well.
He demolished that lady.
I think many leftists now would consider this to be rape
LOL
They're both highly intelligent men, but here, Buckley is somewhat past his intellectual prime and Sowell is reaching his intellectual zenith. I would guess that both men at 30 would have been fairly equal, with Sowell's mathematical ability somewhat ahead of Buckley's, but both roughly on par logically. Clearly Sowell has an aptitude for mathematics that Buckley does not.
TPQ1980 Does it make a difference, if Sowell looked like 30 in his 50s and now in his 80s he looks as if he were 50? Thinking really seems to keep you spmewhat young
Laurin Haase Sowell is quickly becoming one of my favourite thinkers. I will probably buy his book on Basic Economics soon.
Remember the days when an interviewer would actually read a book before interviewing the author and disagreeing with everything.
Werner Roets that's back when journalistic Integrity still existed.
Actually if you read some Buckley's books you would see he believes some of the skrewd data which is why he kept emphasizing disparity during the interview. Notice Sowell on the hand looked at the details of the studies and methodology of studies to determine validity of these studies.
What’s the relevance of that observation ?
"Dependence was key to holding the slaves down". What words of wisdom that we need to be reminded of today.
This conversation is incredibly relevant 30 years later. Its actually quite tragic.
Thomas Sowell is the man. I'm reading his Basic Economics book right now and it is easy to read and extremely interesting.
Had such a blast reading it, highly recommend to all.
It’s a wonderful, largely accessible work, and he is one of the greatest Americans we’ve had!
i have it also
This woman ? Hill
is very unimpressive and superfluous
Plllpal exactly- Brilliant man Thomas Sowell - she is way out of her depth!
I would vote for this man to be President quicker than anyone.
56:47
That's Buckley saying he knows she's an idiot.
You would never get an opportunity to. He wouldn't make it through the primary process as voters would find him, "Cold and confrontational." "Not someone I could have a beer with." etc. We get the politicians we deserve, unfortunately.
Yup. First Ballot Hall of Famer of Intelligence.
@@Clone42 The party would just throw up some milquetoast "dependable" career politicians to challenge in him the primary.
Stop disrespecting this man....he is far better then a damn president.
The woman was Harriet Pilpel, a "civil rights" activists and a "woman's rights" advocate. Very left winged. She died in 1991, 10 years after this show. I love it how Thomas Sowell took her apart.
This is a battlefield and this woman is throwing her whole army at Sowell and her army is getting slaughtered by Sowell's red-pill artillery.
This discussion is every bit as relevant today as when it was first broadcast.
Awesome.
I love William f buckleys accent it sounds like a high class british intellectuall spent 20 years in the backwoods in mississppi.
Cartrell Payne No it doesn't.
+Saluki Yes, it does, somewhat. I'm British myself, and there is no denying the British flavour to Buckley's accent; equally the Dixie element.
It's called a mid-Atlantic accent because it borrows enthusiastically from the British but there is no confusing it with Mississippi, that was just a lame attempt to insult Mr Buckley.
+Saluki Oh, I see! Anything to do with Mississippi must automatically be low-class and somehow dirty. Methinks someone here is more than a little prejudiced! Mississippi was chosen because it is undeniably "Southern," it could equally have been Georgia or Carolina. A mid-Atlantic accent, on the other hand, has no Dixie flavour; it is simply a cross between British Standard Received pronunciation and the standard American accent, which is Northern.
DieFlabbergast
I never said anything bad about Mississippi. You did; YOU were the person trying to smear Buckley. Stop lying about what someone said. That's called a straw man and the person who uses it automatically loses the discussion.
I would have loved seeing a younger Denzel Washington take on the role of Mr. Sowell. Of course, Hollywood would never endorse this.
👍👍👍👍👍💞💝
My thought exactly
The character Denzel played in Roman Israel, Esq resembles Thomas Sowell.
he answered the lady’s question 3 times and she still kept asking the same questions because she didnt like how he answered it.. wow just wow
😂
I learned more from this video than an entire semester of college level upper division American history of economics. Wow. Can’t say I’m surprised though.
That's what I love most about youtube: I watch things like this and lectures by men on Sowell's caliber, that I'm essentially stealing an Ivy League education
..."I know that of my own knowledge" - TS: "No you dont know that of your own knowledge". Have to admit i chuckled at that. 56:00
I loled also
Have you noticed that Thomas Sowell - despite possessing the most searingly brilliant mind - ALWAYS uses the simplest terms to describe even hugely complex matters? This is a hugely rare and important gift.
In both his writing, and his sadly rare spoken addresses, he makes EVERYTHING understandable to even those of us with no real understanding of (or former interest in) Economics or Statistics. Even those with lamentably short educational backgrounds, would understand pretty much every point he makes.
Which is ironic, as so few over-educated people before him, had been able to even detect - much less enunciate - many of the concepts and insights which he makes sound so simple.
A true phenomenon. Thank you for sharing your wisdom Dr Sowell.
In your first statement, Thomas Sowell said the exact same thing about his former teacher, Milton Friedman. Indeed it is a rare and wonderful gift!
Were it not for Buckley promoting Friedman and Sowell on his copious platforms the world may never have heard of them , and yet there is not one thanks to Buckley anywhere in these comments.
Wow that was fantastic!!!! As a current graduate student that was one of the most interesting and enlightening lessons of my time in school... and didn't even require a student loan. Thank you Dr. Sowell, we need more like you.