My sister has one these as a motor home . The only issues she has had with it is anything located between the bull bar and the tow bar. You name it ! it's gone wrong with it.
Imported a 2019 Ducato motorhome new from Europe. As a camper, yeah it suits our need at only 7.1 meter. As a drive…we had to import because we wanted 180hp 6sp manual and everything local was 130/150hp jerkomatic. First job was chip it to 210hp and it’s bloody brilliant. More than able to hold its own on any hill, overtakes maybe not with ease, but you certainly don’t have to email the request in advance either. Now at 54,000km the only issue is from new the brake pad sensor always goes off😡. But it drives great, handles good for what it is (how many broken glasses do you really want), but will cruise day in day out at 110/120kph with ease and we average 9.5 in fuel…but it is 3.5 tonne and we drive it like we stole it admittedly. Fiats in my youth were unreliable…this touch wood has been brilliant. We do service it at 12,000 (don’t ask why…Partner has wierd ideas), 2.3 with twin EGR (oh god why!) and DPF…both of which are leaving the chat at the next service (before they give grief).
I have the 2016 3.0 litre 180hp Ducato with the 6-speed Comfortmatic automatic transmission. I converted it into a motorhome. It drives incredibly when I upgraded the front and rear suspension. It gets around 9.6 litres per 100ks so pretty happy with that. I also upgraded the wheels and tyres. It's the most comfortable vehicle I've driven. Just floats along the highway but it does have a crap turning circle. The only real issue I've had is the dreaded "GEAR UNAVILABLE" error, which can render the vehicle unusable in that it won't go into 1st gear and can leave you stuck up scrubby creek. Fiat and replacing the clutch and that's costing me a packet of $$ but hopefully this fixes that issue. I chose the Ducato because of it's 3.0 litre 180hp engine and it's a little wider than other vans, so you can build the bed to sleep sideways and that saves a LOT of room in the layout.
I own a 2010 Ducatto MWD 2.3 ltr diesel in a camper van has 280000 ks I have had it for a few years and done 80000 ks in it been around in Australia in it and never had an issue mechanically since I have owned it although I have some paint fade and some small interior things like a sun shield and also a window button have broken but they were a cheap fix. In my experience mine has been extremely reliable and very comfortable on long trips
As an ex technician working on these Fiats for 10 years, they are rubbish. Worked on the 2007-2019 vehicles in 120, 130 and 160 engine and long wheel base configurations. So many many many problems.
Did you ever work on the old Sofim 2.8 JTD engine? I have a Santana PS-10 with that engine and would love to know if they are as reliable as people say.
@@cameronwood1994 Sorry no, I didn't get to work on those. I did work on the previous model 2005/6? but that was early on in my career and I couldn't remember what engines they were.
My Mother has one of these brand new 2023, 2024 delivered. Worst vehicle experience in her life. Was broken before delivery with a parking sensor failure, several weeks at Fiat to fix. Engine light and limp mode 3 times, towed on tilt tray. Replaced transmission at 2,000km. Cruise control broken and repaired. Terrible service from Fiat, as you mention in the video, it's no wonder they are on notice.
I loved my FIATS. But they were imported as deck cargo on submarines and they rusted. When they went, they were good in the twisties. And when they stopped, they were a bugger.
What would I buy instead? I'd buy an economical hatchback, or plane/train/bus tickets, and I'd invest the difference, with the profits of which I'd spend on motel/hotel rooms with air conditioning/heating, long showers, a proper bed, fridge and someone to clean up after me... included in the price. FFS, I'm in my 50's. Sleeping in cars is for drunks and the homeless, these days. If you're a kid, and that's your thing, go for it. If you're an adult, stop wasting your kid's inheritance.
This. Don't know why it's almost standard practice to turn 50 and want to get into motorhoming. I stopped touring the country in vans as a roadie for bands by the time I was 26 because I was well and truly over it. Couldn't pay me a wage to travel and/or live in a van at this point, let alone spend eye watering money to do it.
@@shamicentertainment1262 Your circumstances are very different to mine, and I'm sorry to hear that this is the situation that you are in. I really hope that I haven't caused offence with my post. On review, I can see how upsetting it might be, but that was not my intention. All I can say is good luck.
I have owned two motorhomes a 2015 & a 2020 both old amt trans. First one sold with 80k second I still own with 66k. Both have had ZERO faults with the Fiat cab/chassis & ZERO warranty issues with the cab/chassis. I like the vehicle so much I will probably buy another. Though5 you might like my experiences for balance.
You don't have a huge amount of choice if you want a motorhome here in New Zealand as most are imported from Europe and were generally based on the Ducato. The other options are Mercedes (expensive and is it more reliable?), VW (expensive again and again is it reliable?), Transit (cheaper but smaller and reliability....). I've had two Fiat Ducato and have never had a major problem but they are expensive to service and my current one has the comfortmatic gearbox which is so far fine...
After watching this channel since day 1, Not going to lie, I thought I would see a prelude before a fiat ducato 😂😂😂 but! I still love this review top 10 of all the cars.../vans.
@@ReDriven hopefully one day 😭😭 and when I mean top 10 I mean top 10 off all the reviews you have done so far, because I didn't expect a review from this car. Keep up the good work redriven team!!
Thanks for the report, would love to see you guys do something comparing these larger vans. I saw your comparisons of best and worst vans for vanlife and there were no big vans recommended!! They seem to be a no win situation!! For me being over 6 feet tall the smaller vans are a no go.
My 2007 2.2 Ducato is running great. Only ever problem was the suction valve which I replaced with an ebay one. Big mistake. It soon had the same problem; occasional cutting out and rough idle. Put a genuine Denso suction valve in and perfect. The van design however is daft.
FCA/Stellantis seemed to have realised how bad those automated manuals were, so when they imported these to North America as the RAM Promaster, they didn't bother to fit that transmission in. Those got the ZF 9 speed automatic from the start.
I see a surprising amount of these go past me at work with a tow car behind them. I'm honestly quite surprised at the fuel consumption being as low as it is considering the weight some of them are hauling. Only 2 vans I see more of on the roads and one other that comes close to the amount of these I see on the road. The 2 that beat it out are the VW Transporter and the Renault Master with the Mercedes Vito being around the same in amount I see around town. Bloody good video guys and as always keep up the good work and look forward to next week's videos as per usual 👍.
We've had Ducato and Renault vans which I've no idea what it's called. The consensus from the field...they're rubbish. We're onto Hiaces now and like their Hiluxes. Nothing to see here and nothing surprising. We've had Transits too and they've been quite good. I love vans for work.
Man Stelantis really shittt the bed last couple of years. Also why would I buy any Italian Stelantis car, which is in its self unreliable, only to share parts with a Dodge, another unreliable car.
Problem online is that I see people singing praises and others crapping on every van I’m looking at. Just feels like a random pick, maybe it’s great maybe it’s crap. I need a high roof so Toyota and Hyundai vans are not something I’d buy, even though I love driving those cars
Well the latest Emu RV Ducati is advertised as 48000km servicing.This sounds like madness - especially if driven hards and towing. 10000sounfs more realistic!
I have a 2019 camper-van version , had it 4 years so far so good ( done 40k ) , was very nervous about reliability to begin with , but so far so good , yeah is a commercial vehicle so pretty rough and ready , but very economical for a 3.5 ton vehicle , tows my motorcycle trailer still averages 10.5 l /100 ... Allot of people Bag them , but there are heaps of Ducato Camper/ Motor homes around sure people have problems , however I don't believe that are bad as people make them out to be . Do your servicing , find a good workshop that knows how to service and fix them . The comfort-matic gearbox is pretty average , just learn how to use it and it more less works , just don't treat it like a normal auto and it will be fine.
7:52 These Fiat’s vans have gone around the world multiple time by thousands of TH-camrs. No one drives a Toyota small truck and trailer outside of Australia or USA which is not so Macho. Toyota vans not on your Nelly, well maybe between Newcastle and Sydney
When Toyota partnered with BMW for the Supra, they went through everything mechanical in the engine and gearbox. If toyota is prepared to put their name on it, it must be good.
I had to drive a recent one for around 10 hours a day for a week or two. What a piece of crap. The only time i needed the reverse cam it told me UNAVAILABLE like WTF, behind you is a glass panel for your rear vision mirror - its reflective so i look at the mirror so i can see reflections of cars IN FRONT of me, doors felt flimsy and i could see the ground through it, door handle on the side door was trash and the wrong design and the gear box - 9 speeds and all of the gears felt wrong and unhappy.
Interesting review on something I'm not interested in. Peeps driving these are in a $150 to $200k vehicle. That could buy a lot of amazing cars and motorbikes.
I used to work at a company that lets just say made caravans and motorhomes. These are shocking vehicles. Always came back with electrical issues that weren’t because of the motorhome fit out. And the amount of times I had to show old people how to use android auto. Man it was frustrating.
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What kind of idiot suggests this? Seriously, you think it’s a good idea to pay a subscription fee just so you can use an emoji? Give your head a wobble
You do know that Toyota does this with other vehicles? Renault Kangoo is an example. Sprinter is also a VW crafter sold as a freightliner Sprinter in the US. Nearly all major manufacturers have partnerships with each other to rebadge vehicles. This has been very common for a long time.
No, it's got a Toyota badge, so it's the most reliable, Indestructible BS. But you have to pay a premium. Well Toyota fooled millions over the years, rebranding some other brands as theirs😂😂😂😂
Worth noting that the Service interval recommendation is 48,000kms or 12 MONTHS which ever occurs first. So very unlikely anyone is going anywhere near those KMs. 🚐💨
My sister has one these as a motor home . The only issues she has had with it is anything located between the bull bar and the tow bar. You name it ! it's gone wrong with it.
Jim we need a workshop tour, some of the cars featured in your background are making me drool
Yeah I want to see a review on that Mark 2 Escort 😊
Can't wait for a public city bus review next.
Haha, coming soon!
@@ReDriven And not even April, 1st?
😂😂
Do it
@@ReDrivenJohn Deere here we comin!😂
just letting you know, every couple of scenes' colour editing has a yellow tinge to it. thanks for the content, keep up the great work legends
Imported a 2019 Ducato motorhome new from Europe. As a camper, yeah it suits our need at only 7.1 meter. As a drive…we had to import because we wanted 180hp 6sp manual and everything local was 130/150hp jerkomatic. First job was chip it to 210hp and it’s bloody brilliant. More than able to hold its own on any hill, overtakes maybe not with ease, but you certainly don’t have to email the request in advance either. Now at 54,000km the only issue is from new the brake pad sensor always goes off😡. But it drives great, handles good for what it is (how many broken glasses do you really want), but will cruise day in day out at 110/120kph with ease and we average 9.5 in fuel…but it is 3.5 tonne and we drive it like we stole it admittedly.
Fiats in my youth were unreliable…this touch wood has been brilliant.
We do service it at 12,000 (don’t ask why…Partner has wierd ideas), 2.3 with twin EGR (oh god why!) and DPF…both of which are leaving the chat at the next service (before they give grief).
This is really popular in North America as the Ram Promaster
I still use a sedan and small tent to go camping, hardly ever see that combo nowadays.
Awesome.
ReDriven: "The seats spin."
Everrybody: "NO, THEY SWIVEL!!!"
I have the 2016 3.0 litre 180hp Ducato with the 6-speed Comfortmatic automatic transmission. I converted it into a motorhome. It drives incredibly when I upgraded the front and rear suspension. It gets around 9.6 litres per 100ks so pretty happy with that. I also upgraded the wheels and tyres. It's the most comfortable vehicle I've driven. Just floats along the highway but it does have a crap turning circle. The only real issue I've had is the dreaded "GEAR UNAVILABLE" error, which can render the vehicle unusable in that it won't go into 1st gear and can leave you stuck up scrubby creek. Fiat and replacing the clutch and that's costing me a packet of $$ but hopefully this fixes that issue. I chose the Ducato because of it's 3.0 litre 180hp engine and it's a little wider than other vans, so you can build the bed to sleep sideways and that saves a LOT of room in the layout.
Should have imported a JDM Toyota HiAce commuter bus instead.
😂 the wiper challenge is just fun 😂 very entertaining
I own a 2010 Ducatto MWD 2.3 ltr diesel in a camper van has 280000 ks I have had it for a few years and done 80000 ks in it been around in Australia in it and never had an issue mechanically since I have owned it although I have some paint fade and some small interior things like a sun shield and also a window button have broken but they were a cheap fix. In my experience mine has been extremely reliable and very comfortable on long trips
As an ex technician working on these Fiats for 10 years, they are rubbish. Worked on the 2007-2019 vehicles in 120, 130 and 160 engine and long wheel base configurations. So many many many problems.
My parents had 2 of those as campers for 100k km total, never had an issue with it.
I used to live in Croatia and Fiat is very common there!Cheap but friggin crap!Stay away from that brand run like Forest Gump!😂
Did you ever work on the old Sofim 2.8 JTD engine? I have a Santana PS-10 with that engine and would love to know if they are as reliable as people say.
@@cameronwood1994 Sorry no, I didn't get to work on those. I did work on the previous model 2005/6? but that was early on in my career and I couldn't remember what engines they were.
this is middle class housing in Australia these days
Imagine trying to get a fuel pump for one of these in coober pedy 😂
My Mother has one of these brand new 2023, 2024 delivered. Worst vehicle experience in her life. Was broken before delivery with a parking sensor failure, several weeks at Fiat to fix. Engine light and limp mode 3 times, towed on tilt tray. Replaced transmission at 2,000km. Cruise control broken and repaired. Terrible service from Fiat, as you mention in the video, it's no wonder they are on notice.
I loved my FIATS. But they were imported as deck cargo on submarines and they rusted. When they went, they were good in the twisties. And when they stopped, they were a bugger.
What would I buy instead? I'd buy an economical hatchback, or plane/train/bus tickets, and I'd invest the difference, with the profits of which I'd spend on motel/hotel rooms with air conditioning/heating, long showers, a proper bed, fridge and someone to clean up after me... included in the price. FFS, I'm in my 50's. Sleeping in cars is for drunks and the homeless, these days. If you're a kid, and that's your thing, go for it. If you're an adult, stop wasting your kid's inheritance.
This. Don't know why it's almost standard practice to turn 50 and want to get into motorhoming. I stopped touring the country in vans as a roadie for bands by the time I was 26 because I was well and truly over it. Couldn't pay me a wage to travel and/or live in a van at this point, let alone spend eye watering money to do it.
Me and my family are literally going to become homeless because of the stupid rental housing market, that’s why I’m looking at this lol
@@shamicentertainment1262 Your circumstances are very different to mine, and I'm sorry to hear that this is the situation that you are in. I really hope that I haven't caused offence with my post. On review, I can see how upsetting it might be, but that was not my intention. All I can say is good luck.
@@shamicentertainment1262good luck hopefully you find somewhere to live
I have owned two motorhomes a 2015 & a 2020 both old amt trans. First one sold with 80k second I still own with 66k. Both have had ZERO faults with the Fiat cab/chassis & ZERO warranty issues with the cab/chassis. I like the vehicle so much I will probably buy another. Though5 you might like my experiences for balance.
You don't have a huge amount of choice if you want a motorhome here in New Zealand as most are imported from Europe and were generally based on the Ducato. The other options are Mercedes (expensive and is it more reliable?), VW (expensive again and again is it reliable?), Transit (cheaper but smaller and reliability....). I've had two Fiat Ducato and have never had a major problem but they are expensive to service and my current one has the comfortmatic gearbox which is so far fine...
After watching this channel since day 1, Not going to lie, I thought I would see a prelude before a fiat ducato 😂😂😂 but! I still love this review top 10 of all the cars.../vans.
Would LOVE to get our hands on a Prelude
@@ReDriven hopefully one day 😭😭 and when I mean top 10 I mean top 10 off all the reviews you have done so far, because I didn't expect a review from this car. Keep up the good work redriven team!!
Thanks for the report, would love to see you guys do something comparing these larger vans. I saw your comparisons of best and worst vans for vanlife and there were no big vans recommended!! They seem to be a no win situation!! For me being over 6 feet tall the smaller vans are a no go.
My 2007 2.2 Ducato is running great. Only ever problem was the suction valve which I replaced with an ebay one. Big mistake. It soon had the same problem; occasional cutting out and rough idle. Put a genuine Denso suction valve in and perfect. The van design however is daft.
Waiting for Delica D5 post 2019 facelift ... 🙏
As a Toyota after sales advisor I can't way to tell our customers that their van will be grounded for a month YAY!
FCA/Stellantis seemed to have realised how bad those automated manuals were, so when they imported these to North America as the RAM Promaster, they didn't bother to fit that transmission in. Those got the ZF 9 speed automatic from the start.
I see a surprising amount of these go past me at work with a tow car behind them.
I'm honestly quite surprised at the fuel consumption being as low as it is considering the weight some of them are hauling.
Only 2 vans I see more of on the roads and one other that comes close to the amount of these I see on the road. The 2 that beat it out are the VW Transporter and the Renault Master with the Mercedes Vito being around the same in amount I see around town.
Bloody good video guys and as always keep up the good work and look forward to next week's videos as per usual 👍.
you need to do a test drive on Jim Mk2 Escort
Great channel guys. One request if I may- the outgoing BMW X3. Keep up the good work!
Based on that service interval, you'd never need to service these vehicles in their life.
So that's nice.
We've had Ducato and Renault vans which I've no idea what it's called. The consensus from the field...they're rubbish. We're onto Hiaces now and like their Hiluxes. Nothing to see here and nothing surprising. We've had Transits too and they've been quite good. I love vans for work.
Mum had one ... Spun a big end bearing and threw a rod through the block ....at 28k k
Man Stelantis really shittt the bed last couple of years.
Also why would I buy any Italian Stelantis car, which is in its self unreliable, only to share parts with a Dodge, another unreliable car.
Can you do a video on the P1 Volvos? Or perhaps the p2’s?
FIAT: Fix It Again Tony.
Fix it again tomorrow…
Have you done a Sprinter?
I would only buy a Toyota Hiace if l needed a van camper van and a great review especially the habitation review very funny
If you are looking for a motorhome you'd be much better off using an old Toyota Coaster bus as a starting point.
Problem online is that I see people singing praises and others crapping on every van I’m looking at. Just feels like a random pick, maybe it’s great maybe it’s crap. I need a high roof so Toyota and Hyundai vans are not something I’d buy, even though I love driving those cars
LWB sprinter. Best van by a mile
Well the latest Emu RV Ducati is advertised as 48000km servicing.This sounds like madness - especially if driven hards and towing. 10000sounfs more realistic!
Redriven review on the Erebus?
I have a 2019 camper-van version , had it 4 years so far so good ( done 40k ) , was very nervous about reliability to begin with , but so far so good , yeah is a commercial vehicle so pretty rough and ready , but very economical for a 3.5 ton vehicle , tows my motorcycle trailer still averages 10.5 l /100 ... Allot of people Bag them , but there are heaps of Ducato Camper/ Motor homes around sure people have problems , however I don't believe that are bad as people make them out to be . Do your servicing , find a good workshop that knows how to service and fix them . The comfort-matic gearbox is pretty average , just learn how to use it and it more less works , just don't treat it like a normal auto and it will be fine.
I had to go back and check. New $180 000? Is today April 1st? If it isn't then not in one million lifetimes.
Is that a flushing toilet? With a black tank? Because I just don't think I could live with one of those cassette things.
They are every camper van. So bulletproof on 05-18 models
7:52 These Fiat’s vans have gone around the world multiple time by thousands of TH-camrs. No one drives a Toyota small truck and trailer outside of Australia or USA which is not so Macho.
Toyota vans not on your Nelly, well maybe between Newcastle and Sydney
One step from living on the street😂
more vans more vans more vans.
so hard to find van reviews from reputable sources with thorough dive ins
The reason motorhomes are retaining value is that they are the best affordable real estate for late millennials and zoomers.
Fiat van video!What goes wrong?Mechanic:Yes!
Any opinions on buying used i20N?
They have done a review on the i30 n if that helps
How about doing a Haval h2
@ReDriven can you review MG or Haval SUV’s?
Haval is top of our wish list, but we've reviewed the MG HS and we have an MG3 coming up!
When Toyota partnered with BMW for the Supra, they went through everything mechanical in the engine and gearbox. If toyota is prepared to put their name on it, it must be good.
I had to drive a recent one for around 10 hours a day for a week or two. What a piece of crap. The only time i needed the reverse cam it told me UNAVAILABLE like WTF, behind you is a glass panel for your rear vision mirror - its reflective so i look at the mirror so i can see reflections of cars IN FRONT of me, doors felt flimsy and i could see the ground through it, door handle on the side door was trash and the wrong design and the gear box - 9 speeds and all of the gears felt wrong and unhappy.
worried about toyota putting a badge on it
Time will tell I suppose!
If Toyota made the investment of making their own large van van (of this size,) i think it would be a world-wide success...
I'd probably be looking at a converted Toyota Coaster for much better reliability.
$170k for a fiat is about $169K too expensive.
FIAT = Fix It Again Tony
Interesting review on something I'm not interested in. Peeps driving these are in a $150 to $200k vehicle. That could buy a lot of amazing cars and motorbikes.
I used to work at a company that lets just say made caravans and motorhomes. These are shocking vehicles. Always came back with electrical issues that weren’t because of the motorhome fit out. And the amount of times I had to show old people how to use android auto. Man it was frustrating.
What were Toyota thinking 😱
Did it says 160k + WTF
Oh no! My car doesn't project a masculine image! 🤨 lol
Can u do a Lexus LS600hL? Thx.
.....get the Iveco powerplants these engines will crank 1M k's
Fiat, Ford, IVECO, VW and MB. Just shoot me now.
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What kind of idiot suggests this? Seriously, you think it’s a good idea to pay a subscription fee just so you can use an emoji? Give your head a wobble
Never did I think I would turn against toyota but if they have taken on these lemons toyota has lost me.
You do know that Toyota does this with other vehicles? Renault Kangoo is an example. Sprinter is also a VW crafter sold as a freightliner Sprinter in the US. Nearly all major manufacturers have partnerships with each other to rebadge vehicles. This has been very common for a long time.
Please review bmw m135i F40
Fiat are rubbish the cars the vans if you smart just stay away from
For decades we never touched a Fiat or any Italian car, truck or sports car.
Fiat is better than VW
now many angy people xDD
No, it's got a Toyota badge, so it's the most reliable, Indestructible BS. But you have to pay a premium. Well Toyota fooled millions over the years, rebranding some other brands as theirs😂😂😂😂
Fiat-Found. In. Actual. Tips
Worth noting that the Service interval recommendation is 48,000kms or 12 MONTHS which ever occurs first. So very unlikely anyone is going anywhere near those KMs. 🚐💨
It’s a courier van by design and some freight companies would easily hit that in a year
FIAT = Fix It Again Tony