Dammit why people doesn't understand what they see? They clearly state that their goal is to enhance the realism of holography, not to make images "look realistic". What's important in this video is the psychological factor. While seeing an object, AND feeling it thanks to the ultrasound, your brain determines it is "real". Thats what their research is all about! To add a sense of touch to your 3D viewing experience.
you have a certain range in where you can move and look at it, it stays in the same position cause of the mirrors, though, at a certain point, the object isn't visible anymore cause it can't be reflected by the mirror anymore.
What would make our world a better state is if we all became a little more empathetic to other people, instead of worrying about what is productive and focus on what makes us Human, Affection, love, compassion. Sorry to get a little weird there but I think porn really will be crazy in the future. But what else will be amazing... Human life.
it's a mirror system you need two eyes to see the illusion, i've seen something similar (only the video thing without touch) and it did look like a hologram. It's because of the constraints of normal cameras as you can't capture a 3D images/videos with them
Holography as it exists now is an optical illusion--optics tricks are used to make things appear 3D, which doesn't come through on camera. The feedback part is what's cool here--just using soundwaves to feel some kind of interaction
you focus low energy lasers at a certain point in the air atoms hit by the photons of those lasers can be energized thus changing their electron configuration to an excited state (or high energy state) the electrons in the hull of the atom will immediately return to their ground state (or low energy state) and may emit visible light.. its frequency depends on the energized atom and the level of electron elevation this light we will then see as floating in mid air :)
I can understand an image reflecting off a surface and being caught on a foil to display, but how is the reflecting light coming together to display an image through this method? Do you think it would be possible if you were to create the mirror around an entire stage and added some sort of kinect hack that you could create fully interactive holographic experiences beyond simply having the hologram react to collision? That would be amazing!
@r0galik One of the things stopping virtual reality devices, was the lack of touch. 3d displays whether they be through anaglyph or polarized glasses like the new digital 3d theaters has been around a while. just think if you could create a large tactile display mount it to the ceiling of a theater during scenes of a movie it could feel as though rain is actually falling...
@raney150 You're getting excited about the Kinect's interface and not really its applications for gaming. That simply moves this to a discussion about iPads and really I don't want to head down that path. Thus this conversation is more or less done.
@brwnc a hologram can be seen (at all times) in all sides... meaning if you were in front of a holographic person you can see his face and while you are in front i will be on the side of it and can see the holograms sides... in this video you could see a screen, which is a 2 dimensional object... a 2 dimensional object cannot hold a three dimensional image...
The idea is simple really... They used some simple equipment and software, with the addition of hand tracking (by using the Wii Mote) and showing images on a screen (that react to the hand position), they used air to simulate the touch feel of these semi-holograms... A simple idea, but a very smart one! Imagine what they can do with more advanced equipment and a REAL hologram!!
@PsychoJosh I gave up the argument ages ago, there is just no use lol. and what does an iPad have to do with the Kinect. So what if I am excited about the interface of the Kinect, it could lead to something useful. Microsoft should have found another application for it.
but the ultra sound and toucheble holograpts must be in synch for max effects, and they can programm how much ultra sound needs to be done in seconds and in wich direction to get impressive effects. for example if someone hits me in the face, hich ultra sound needs to be generated and target to my face to make it feel like in real life,but what if an bird land on my hand,it only needs to generate litle bit ultra sound and targing to my hand for a soft feeling etc,,, etc,,,
this was 2009, and if I recall, the Kinect wasn't out then... imagine what they could have been doing if they had the Kinect sensors rather than the Wii sensors
@PsychoJosh It wouldn't really make sense for Microsoft and Sony to make motion conrtols to tap into Wii audience by releasing add-ons to get motion controls. *Warning, I get off of our original topic here* If you want to buy a game console that has motion controls which are you going to buy. a $299 system plus a $150 add on, a $299 system plus whatever the PS move will cost, or a $199 system that has motion controls built in and already has a huge library of games, shovelware or otherwise?
it doesn't look like holography but 2D image on a screen... i don't know how holography really works (is generated), but maybe different angle that would show it's really in 3D??
Its definitely progress! Whether or not it is a "true" hologram is kind of a moot point right now. What we know is that a fairly high-resolution image can be produced in free space, and we can create a sensation from that image. That's the first step... making it a true hologram is the next step. And I'm confident that will happen soon with all the progress they are making.
@PsychoJosh Well I don't think they are going to be very cheap anyway. I honestly don't know much about the Kinect or PS move because honestly I don't care. I don't own a 360 or a PS3. But What I am sure of is that the packaged deals of the consoles and the Kinect or PS move are going to be a lot more expensive than a Wii and the sensor bar. Cost is a huge factor, especially in the casual field it seems like, which I admit is the majority of people attracted to motion controls.
you don't get it, it looks like it's on a screen, holography shouldn't be 'on screen' right? as i said i dont know how this holography is generated, but here: watch?v=K6Q8SQ33gKY you can actually see it is, because view is from different angle aswell...
@PsychoJosh on a nintendo home console. It's coming to the nintendo 3DS so I would bet that it would come to a home console. If not the Wii then the Wii's successor.
using the sophisticated technology of the wiimote, we were able to make touchable holograms. In return nintendo asks of us to help make a console for them in the later future.
@raney150 First of all that's not what they're doing, they're not selling people the consoles and then the motion controllers on top of that, they are going to be selling them in bundle packages like usual (the fact that you don't know this says a lot about how much you know about video games in general). The Wii requires the sensor bar in the exact same way the Kinect and Move require their respective cameras, so really, how is it any different?
you're talking about DARPA project 4 the network. And it was actually Paul Baran who came up with the concept of packet switched networks, and he (RAND Corp) headed hte DARPA project for a survivable network. but listen to what Caesuramedia said: "WEb Technology". The concepts that formed the basis for web technology were presented at CERN by Tim Berners-Lee where he described HTML. HTML &the associated protocol soon became the Web. b4 only advanced users could use networks using FTP/Telnet/etc
I seriously doubt that this is not a prerendered show, because the guy does not move his hand, for example to show how the drops would react to the change of his hand's position...
@PsychoJosh I would think that if they do that, Microsoft will end up last in this generation's sales, but I still don't expect it to reach Wii sales. Wii has a huge lead. It could very well outsell the Wii on a month to month basis, but it's gonna be hard to catch up to a system that has sold twice as well as your own. But it does leave us looking at a probably awesome Playstation 4.
Dammit why people doesn't understand what they see? They clearly state that their goal is to enhance the realism of holography, not to make images "look realistic". What's important in this video is the psychological factor. While seeing an object, AND feeling it thanks to the ultrasound, your brain determines it is "real". Thats what their research is all about! To add a sense of touch to your 3D viewing experience.
you have a certain range in where you can move and look at it, it stays in the same position cause of the mirrors, though, at a certain point, the object isn't visible anymore cause it can't be reflected by the mirror anymore.
What would make our world a better state is if we all became a little more empathetic to other people, instead of worrying about what is productive and focus on what makes us Human, Affection, love, compassion. Sorry to get a little weird there but I think porn really will be crazy in the future. But what else will be amazing... Human life.
this was 2009??! where is it now?
The future is actually almost here!
Amazing!
ye ye.. ye.. keep dreaming :)
Thats why the camera moved around the guys hand alot to show it was. They used a concave mirror to get the effect.
it's a mirror system you need two eyes to see the illusion, i've seen something similar (only the video thing without touch) and it did look like a hologram. It's because of the constraints of normal cameras as you can't capture a 3D images/videos with them
It would be also nice to connect tactile display with leap motion gesture recognition tool.
@callowaymotorcompany but the wii remote can be used for all kinds of things now, and I'm not talking about gaming, or anything related to gaming.
Reminds me of Paycheck (the movie)
Holography as it exists now is an optical illusion--optics tricks are used to make things appear 3D, which doesn't come through on camera. The feedback part is what's cool here--just using soundwaves to feel some kind of interaction
Similar to the optigone mirage method with a concave mirror, can the object be viewed in all angles?
@lilchris943 yes, the people used wiimotes to track the position of their hands for this to work
@cxrodformrx And how would you make that? Holograms are complicated. This one uses a concave mirror. a room with a concave mirror for a wall?
i also believe those videos are quite old.. they may be much farther ahead by now
Could this be used to put a exstremely large image in the sky ?
@memoideus Probably to enhance the movement of the water.
@SlowDownMofo what force?? What ultrasound? Have you watched this?
yea. whats the difference between a hologram and standing in front of a screen?
@MrSurface94 Did you even watch the video? Its focused ultrasound.
Amazing. I can't think all the possibilities for smoething like that.
i've been into holography since the 70's......in nyc there used to be "the museum of holography"........great place
@dlisteanach pretty sure you can't actually 'feel' it, but it reacts to your 'touch'.
you focus low energy lasers at a certain point in the air
atoms hit by the photons of those lasers can be energized thus changing their electron configuration to an excited state (or high energy state)
the electrons in the hull of the atom will immediately return to their ground state (or low energy state) and may emit visible light.. its frequency depends on the energized atom and the level of electron elevation
this light we will then see as floating in mid air :)
I can understand an image reflecting off a surface and being caught on a foil to display, but how is the reflecting light coming together to display an image through this method?
Do you think it would be possible if you were to create the mirror around an entire stage and added some sort of kinect hack that you could create fully interactive holographic experiences beyond simply having the hologram react to collision?
That would be amazing!
so cool, how do I contribute ? I really want these to exist
so the question is, is this hard light or soft light?
is it possible to make black and white using this machine?
What kind of LCD display did you use and how did you position the LCD display?
and where did you guys get that concave mirror?
Nice!
So when will I be able to get my own holodeck like the ones they have in Star Trek?
Are you talking about perfect conditions?
freaking sweet!
Now how long before I can start playing video games via a star trek style holo deck in my living room?
this is exactly like it was with the first TV's! give it another 90 years and we will have HD holograms :D
Why is there two wii controllers ontop of the tv thingy?
what do you mean by "perfect conditions"?
@r0galik One of the things stopping
virtual reality devices, was the lack of touch.
3d displays whether they be through
anaglyph or polarized glasses like the new
digital 3d theaters has been around a while.
just think if you could create a large tactile display
mount it to the ceiling of a theater during scenes
of a movie it could feel as though rain
is actually falling...
How does this technology work?
where can u get this?
@robertopinarizzo wouldn't that be a flashlight?
@raney150 You're getting excited about the Kinect's interface and not really its applications for gaming. That simply moves this to a discussion about iPads and really I don't want to head down that path. Thus this conversation is more or less done.
what's the use of that?
No sound?
Automatic Doors
Tablet PCs
Mobile Telephones
3D Printers
Holo...decks...
@brwnc a hologram can be seen (at all times) in all sides... meaning if you were in front of a holographic person you can see his face and while you are in front i will be on the side of it and can see the holograms sides... in this video you could see a screen, which is a 2 dimensional object... a 2 dimensional object cannot hold a three dimensional image...
@Pbdave1092 why not? please explain
Please state the nature of the medical emergency
The idea is simple really...
They used some simple equipment and software, with the addition of hand tracking (by using the Wii Mote) and showing images on a screen (that react to the hand position), they used air to simulate the touch feel of these semi-holograms...
A simple idea, but a very smart one! Imagine what they can do with more advanced equipment and a REAL hologram!!
there was a great one I went to in Edinburgh when I was younger, I can't remember the name of it though for the life of me
How much i want to buy it?
@PsychoJosh I gave up the argument ages ago, there is just no use lol. and what does an iPad have to do with the Kinect. So what if I am excited about the interface of the Kinect, it could lead to something useful. Microsoft should have found another application for it.
What if your looking at it at an angle? wouldn't it mess up the whole experience
that's because the force is generated at the focal point of the ultrasound, so if he would have moved his hand, it wouldn't work...
but the ultra sound and toucheble holograpts must be in synch for max effects, and they can programm how much ultra sound needs to be done in seconds and in wich direction to get impressive effects.
for example if someone hits me in the face, hich ultra sound needs to be generated and target to my face to make it feel like in real life,but what if an bird land on my hand,it only needs to generate litle bit ultra sound and targing to my hand for a soft feeling etc,,, etc,,,
but... whats it look like from a different angle?
@SpiralishCandy i think we are more than only 10 %. look at the thumbs.
51:39, means: we are now 44%
is the hologram made by useing head tracking because that is not that new and amazing
wow, i am impressed! Just give it more time and it will get much better!
For a holographic display, they seem to refrain from showing it from all angles suspiciously much
How then?
Rain drops keep falling on my hand.
it is possible to create holograms that float in mid air
this was 2009, and if I recall, the Kinect wasn't out then... imagine what they could have been doing if they had the Kinect sensors rather than the Wii sensors
@PsychoJosh It wouldn't really make sense for Microsoft and Sony to make motion conrtols to tap into Wii audience by releasing add-ons to get motion controls. *Warning, I get off of our original topic here* If you want to buy a game console that has motion controls which are you going to buy. a $299 system plus a $150 add on, a $299 system plus whatever the PS move will cost, or a $199 system that has motion controls built in and already has a huge library of games, shovelware or otherwise?
it doesn't look like holography but 2D image on a screen...
i don't know how holography really works (is generated), but maybe different angle that would show it's really in 3D??
What's the difference between this and a fan?
resolution
I never thought that a siggraph video could be interesting for so many people. I hope ToG becomes the next nature. :D
Its definitely progress! Whether or not it is a "true" hologram is kind of a moot point right now. What we know is that a fairly high-resolution image can be produced in free space, and we can create a sensation from that image. That's the first step... making it a true hologram is the next step. And I'm confident that will happen soon with all the progress they are making.
@memoideus Let me clarify: to enhance our ability to SEE the movement of the water.
@Pbdave1092 A hologram isn't necessarily a 3 dimensional image.
The adult entertainment industry will indeed make billions.
those are screens with a magnifying glass in front of it so it gives it a hologram look its a illusion.
true. So what's the worth of it?
I do know the above image/video is basically an illusion though and has to have the backboard glass or whatever it is called.
@thenickb13 Yes; it says so in the video.
I wanna point out that this was researched by the University of Tokyo's Shinoda Lab. But, believe what you want to believe.
How long can it be until we have 3d holographic, touchable women?
The camera was moving not the image
if you read my comment you'll see i was asking about the hologram part and not the tactile part.
@tobiymanuel
So out of 90% +10% you managed to find 00.000001% still unaccounted for?
Interesting, I don´t have a clue how they did it but.... looks great!
I hope so! Can't wait!
technology like this has existed for a long time,.
This is amazing!!
@PsychoJosh Well I don't think they are going to be very cheap anyway. I honestly don't know much about the Kinect or PS move because honestly I don't care. I don't own a 360 or a PS3. But What I am sure of is that the packaged deals of the consoles and the Kinect or PS move are going to be a lot more expensive than a Wii and the sensor bar. Cost is a huge factor, especially in the casual field it seems like, which I admit is the majority of people attracted to motion controls.
you don't get it, it looks like it's on a screen, holography shouldn't be 'on screen' right? as i said i dont know how this holography is generated, but here: watch?v=K6Q8SQ33gKY you can actually see it is, because view is from different angle aswell...
are those two wiimotes in the background?
This is incredible. It made me smile... it the holodeck!
@PsychoJosh on a nintendo home console. It's coming to the nintendo 3DS so I would bet that it would come to a home console. If not the Wii then the Wii's successor.
@TtopTrouble "coming to"? It's always been there.
using the sophisticated technology of the wiimote, we were able to make touchable holograms. In return nintendo asks of us to help make a console for them in the later future.
@raney150 First of all that's not what they're doing, they're not selling people the consoles and then the motion controllers on top of that, they are going to be selling them in bundle packages like usual (the fact that you don't know this says a lot about how much you know about video games in general). The Wii requires the sensor bar in the exact same way the Kinect and Move require their respective cameras, so really, how is it any different?
wow, that ultrasound unit is awesome.
can be?
you're talking about DARPA project 4 the network. And it was actually Paul Baran who came up with the concept of packet switched networks, and he (RAND Corp) headed hte DARPA project for a survivable network.
but listen to what Caesuramedia said: "WEb Technology". The concepts that formed the basis for web technology were presented at CERN by Tim Berners-Lee where he described HTML. HTML &the associated protocol soon became the Web. b4 only advanced users could use networks using FTP/Telnet/etc
At 1:05, I really hope that is air. Am I right?
I seriously doubt that this is not a prerendered show, because the guy does not move his hand, for example to show how the drops would react to the change of his hand's position...
guy if the duel disks got a hologram like this oh god that is awsome
@PsychoJosh I would think that if they do that, Microsoft will end up last in this generation's sales, but I still don't expect it to reach Wii sales. Wii has a huge lead. It could very well outsell the Wii on a month to month basis, but it's gonna be hard to catch up to a system that has sold twice as well as your own. But it does leave us looking at a probably awesome Playstation 4.
It's good, but the hologram needs to be 360degrees. And not just in a mirror. Perhaps having a 360 degree mirror creating the image.
Now we just need to start getting those projected force fields together.