That's the think with 3v3 though, there will always be an element of how well your teammates play. You can minimise the effect of bad and good teammates. I think it still shows that having good gamesense is the most important aspect of the game though, even the best teammates won't be able to win every game if you're in bad positions.
It also demonstrates that you can have bad mechanics but as long as you're rotating and doing what you're supposed to do your teammates can carry you to a win, especially in 3v3
he even said at the end : i quote "i finally decided to team up and finish the job , it seemed thats all i truly needed to become the first ever grandchampion piano player" xD
This debate really comes down to your definition of “mechanics”. You have to remember that when you do a challenge like this, all you’ve lost is your muscle memory. Your read of the ball’s trajectory and physics that you’ve gained after thousands of hours is still there. I’m sure you’d agree that without that, you definitely wouldn’t have completed this challenge. So it depends - do you consider being able to read the ball a “mechanic”? A lot of people would say no, but I’d argue that in order to have the ability to read the ball well, you would need to have practiced mechanics that require that skill, such as double taps, shooting, saves, etc. So while reading the ball may not, in itself, be a mechanic, it is learned through training things that actually are mechanics, despite those mechanics themselves not necessarily being needed to get to GC.
@@Ray.6406 My point wasn’t necessarily that reading the ball is a mechanic in itself, more that it’s a skill that is trained through practising things that actually *are* mechanics. Edited my comment to clarify
He said he didn't play 3s and was only gc in 2s, so his rank was low. I was gc2 in 3s and didn't play 2s, but I got up to gc fairly quick once I did start playing it.
@@taiemgamerxrbg2080 not to mention he streams when he does this so the odds of someone stream sniping with a smurf to get into his game is extremely high. Whether the person admitted to be a viewer or not is irrelevant
I agree with the sentiment and the statement that you can get high ranked without mechs, but I think the way you went about it doesn't do the best job showing/proving that for 2 main points imo: 1. teaming up with someone who you admit is both under-ranked, and better mechanically than the other players -- kinda devalues your point. 2. 3s is a gamemode where one player's mistakes have the least amount of impact -- so trying for GC (or whatever rank) in 1s would be more impressive not to say this isn't impressive or to say that the statement is not true -- just that it could've been proved better imo much love
Especially when his other video said there's like 25 % of smurfs lmfao... so he teamed up with someone who was "good" for the rank, probably because it was a smurf. I can't climb higher as I soloq only - so often a party with 1 smurf, or braindead team (or me playing shit some games lmfao). I still bounce around d1-d2 in 3s, d3-c1 in 2s
The problem with videos like this is how do you classify reading the ball, reading the 50s, understanding how and where to hit the ball, how to preserve momentum etc etc. Funny how people who spent thousands of hours doing all these things, all of sudden claim "it's not important". If it's not important then coach somebody to get gc in less than 200-400 hours (overall playtime not the in-game stats). P. S. I am not hating, love the content
All the things you mentioned are game sense, and could probably be taught except for maybe reading the ball. That one you just gotta practice being faster in freeplay/casual matches
Any player and especially coach worth their salt knows reads are the most important skill to have. Whoever says they're not important doesn't understand the game or is lying to you.
To me, this only really proves that someone who has already achieved gc with good mechanics can still work their way back up there using the knowledge they gained from being such a high rank, even when being limited in their mechanical ability.
@@ChillAutos Im plat 1 and I do stuff like that every so often, none of that is mechanically advanced. And he was obviously holding his own in solo up in grand champ, speeding up the progress by finding someone under ranked and hooking up doesn't change anything. If anything rawdogging the whole thing solo would only make his mechanics better and you'd end up arguing he needed the mechanics to be there. Clearly he doesn't, he fast-tracked the rise but he stayed there on his own.
in it's simplest form, i like that the piano controller makes him so excited about the game again. i remember being hyped about those basic goals man, what a fun, easy time
In my opinion, you were not playing with 0 mechanics in this video, you were just learning to use a new type of controller. I think what is most accurate to playing with 0 mechanics is what Flakes did. Keep the ball in the ground, faking, and good positioning.
flake's gameplay is way more mechanical than wayton imo. he may only be going for simple stuff but he mastered them. a plat can't pull off powerslide cuts nearly as well or as consistently as him. same for shooting. while his content is very interesting and inspiring, the fact that he does the series on controller (on which he has thousands of hour on) doesn't sound fair to me despite the very limited amount of mechanics he does. here what wayton meant by "no mechanics" wasn't "going for simple stuff only" but rather "having very poor mechanics and dealing with it". and i think it should be the real definition of "no mechs"
But he has pro level ball control. He has better mechanics than 99% of the player base. His mechanics are not zero, but rather close to the best. Wayton describes this in the beginning.
@@swagie_ Yeah, that's the whole debate. Eitherway, Wayton with the keyboard managed to pull an air dribble and a double tap, and several shots with power and placement, so that's very far from 0 mechanics. They weren't clean at all, but certainly enough to beat a champ-level goalie. Plus he has his GC2 level mindset on top of that. Although Flakes has perfect car control, I think the whole purpose of his series is to show that understanding the game, staying grounded, and most of the time not going for the ball is way better than grinding mechanics like flip resets and such for hundreds of hours. Most of his goals were just driving the ball inside the net, after waiting for the opponent to hard committing on a challenge.
half agreed, he was technically playing with plat mechanics. basically proved even if you have trash mechanics, you can still get gc with how well you USE those mechanics. for flakes though, i really agree on his playstyle. dude just makes champs rage by not hitting the ball. Although im not sure if his playstyle works in 3s because it'll be a lot harder since people would be challenging alot more since its 3-man games. It'd be alot difficult to outplay them, you'd need the help of your teammate.
Nobody can play with 0 mechanics. When people say that, it's usually a hyperbole. Also, comparing Flakes with Wayton is wrong. Flakes was trying to demonstrate that you don't need "fancy" mechanics like double flip resets or wall dashes or insane air control. His point was that if you can just master the very basics of mechanics, you'd rank up. Wayton's way is a true reflection of how an average player approaches a game. Anybody over plat can hit a few "fancy" mechanic every now and then, but usually lack control or consistency. Both proved their points masterfully.
I would love to sit down and chat with you one day to have a conversation regarding these types of debates. Things like this show up on twitter and reddit, constantly but I don't believe anyone has truly addressed the nuances regarding things like rank, mechanics, positioning, play with the team vs for the team, etc. Idk if you're interested but I think it have a ton of benefit to the community to truly dive into what makes this debate so triggering for so many people.
the best way to get to GC with no mechs is to have been a GC for 3 years and play on a smurf account tbh thanks for the video. love the piano play though frfr
I love how you just disproved your theory by teaming with someone who has mechs. The whole point of series like Leth's is that you can solo q to ssl with good decision making. This just proves the "my teammates suck" theory.
I feel like it’s impossible to get grand champ without mechs. Because you will slowly build up mechs like passing. I know some people will say, PaSsIng iS GaMe SenSe, but a lot of people refer to passing as a mech. You may also build up mechanics like wave dashes for recoveries without even trying to do a wave dash. So you might accidentally do a mechanic even if your not trying to😁
Like knowing where your teammates are and when you should pass is game sense. But actually executing it consistently(Like you said) does come down to mechs
@@kaithefryguy if you're on keyboard and mouse like me, teammate location knowledge is mechanics too tbh lmao, we don't get to pan our cameras without jank mapping
"You can get gc with 0 mechanics" Wayton: i agree Also wayton: Lets hope that we get a mechanical tm8 today ALSO WAYTON: since i couldnt get gc, i partied up with gcs and got carried
what we can see is that even tho game sense is almost everything (you got gc without mechanics even tho your main is only 3 divisions higher), mechanics are clearly what makes you independant from your teammates, as we've seen with the losses in d2 because of the mates, that wouldn't have happened to even a champ with champ mechanics
Wayton: You don't need mechanics to rank up. Also Wayton: Just find teammates with good mechanics! (6:14 ) I mean your title is not wrong... but actually you just proved that there is a level of mechanical ability needed to rank up. Also you using a keyboard is not playing with 0 mechanics. You just "reset" your physical ability which you quickly gained again.
he counters the stupidity of the mechanical players with gamesense and lets them score, also he said that he is at the mechanical ability of a diamond 1, which tbf is not that hard to get
People think he got carried hard by tm8s and partying up but he still played well, The tm8s he had were bad at rotations but he let them be the 1 and 2 options and Learnt how they play, Im so Pissed because people thought he got carried but they couldn't do anything better. He did get carried in a way but he held his own with rotations and passing instead of ball chasing and getting mad at tm8s
Great work Wayton! I see that, in the case of playing 3s, having tm8s that you can SYNC with is the key to FAST rank ups, especially in the D3 to C3 range. No doubt I think you could grind up to GC solo queing but would take way longer, but in that point in 3s isnt it more like the TEAM is ranked at GC (maybe higher levels this is more applicable) more than the individual player? Unless you get into playing 2s and 1s where individual game sense and mechanics has much more responsibility to reach those higher ranks. Game sense is fundamental and generally more useful than than higher level mechanics in 3s as you demonstrated you had the game sense to read players, ball bounces, and play around whatever random tm8s were doing.
Much of this game becomes an absolute joke when you are a team of intelligent people playing in comms against a regular joe player and his stupid as hell 7 year old randomly assigned teammate. You simply aren't the same rank in solo Q as you are with a regular teammate.
@@eternalglow6483 In my opinion, he can get to GC but it will take a long time, partying with people you found on your ranked lobbies which you can totally do by yourself when you think that your teammate is good will help you rank up faster, mostly because it eliminates the chances of getting bad teammates in the first place. In conclusion, I think he partied up with good teammates just to speed up the ranking up process, otherwise it'll take weeks which I don't think he has the time or wanted to do so.
This proves that in RL, like in most activities, you need other things than what people think. Then, of course, you need all the things if you really want to be up there with the best.
You still had the trained patterns and timing of mechs and knew when you were aligned and for how long and when you should be pressing the keys to get your car to do what you want. You knew what to do mechanically with your car. You may have been lost when inconsistency and fails put you in the wrong spots but there are many situations where lower ranks get lost anyways because they just don't know how to for example turn their car when upside down. Therefore I would argue that you had a kind of mechanical advantage over lower ranks, a part of having gc mechanics transferred to your piano gameplay. How big of an influence do you think that had?
@@perfectdark287 but low champ mechanics is in my opinion quite a bit of mechanics, it seems obvious that adding gc game sense to them will get you gc... Champ is top 10% of players (I checked it but number must be taken with some reserve as various factors make it inaccurate, but it would still be relatively low percentage) so 90% of people wouldn't be able to do some of the stuff he did. So far it sounds to me like my point would stand strong
I was thinking something similar. Since he had already gotten GC before, he knows exactly what to do in almost every situation. Someone who hasn’t gotten GC before (or doesn’t have much gamesense in general)would still be absolutely lost in some situations.
Great vid - as a low mechanics champ player myself, this kind of thing gives me inspiration to go grind for that GC title. I'll definitely be diving into that educational video next. Thanks Wayton!
my biggest advice is to just grind ranked as hard as you can until you feel you're not playing optimally then stop. it will take hundreds of games but you should get there over time if you don't give up
Trust me you can, my buddy and I are low mechanic gc players and have been for a long time, it’s more about good rotation and hitting open shots than mechanics
ive been stuck in champ for like a year lol, i only play 3s (solo). not super good mechanically but good with positioning and rotation. but every game is like a dice roll, all depends on how well you play with the teammates. sometimes i get like 5 win streak, then a straight 7 L streak lol. It is straining! GC is my goal but its hard
idk. definitely makes a very good point, that game awareness is the most important thing for gc. issue is wayton has so much game time at GC level his in game iq is miles beyond what anyone under gc could have. he also is very mechanical on a proper set up, so he reads other players ability and the game much better. id still say the fastest way to get GC is grind freeplay and get mechanical rather than grind ranked and try get smart. mechanics help you play smarter as well
Congrats to RL #1 GC 3v3 PIANO player 👏👏 Super impressed by the video quality and effort as always... didn't expect someone to make a video response to the tweet. This was cool. Couldn't have been a better person than you to do it. But now for the real test that everyone is commenting about... When do we get to see part 2V2 or part 1V1? 👀
I love the idea, but there is a big limit. Yourself. You are already an insanely good player. You KNOW the mechanics, with or without a bad controller. So it's not like you're starting from nothing. You will never be able to have as few mechanics as a real beginner. Positionning is the key. But in this very video, I could clearly see advanced mechanics, even if you consider that you were bad with the keyboard. You litteraly did multiple aerials. And double taps ?! Which beginners can't do. So this is not a solid proof in my eyes, sorry ! I may have positionning weakness, but the difference in mechanic levels once you hit champion is obvious if you are average like me. Losing most 50s. Not being able to quick flip on kick off. Not being able to compete on walls. Not being able to stop a good dribble even with shadow defence. Not aiming properly when shooting. With the incredible amount of smurfs pulling ceiling shots and resets, which are very intimidating with my level, etc... You already have the knowledge of these mechanics (and their counter), even with your keyboard, and you are already better than me, at minute 1 ^^ For me, if you want to demonstrate this, you have to observe how a very beginner plays, and cap your skills regarding this. Never aerial. Never make clean controls on the ground. Never win a hard 50. Never shoot hard. Never play backward properly. THIS is having no mechanics. If you even only reach champion like that, I would argue that this is a way better proof. However, this is a good encouragement for beginners. Keep up the good work.
I really appreciate the showcase that gamesense and mentalitya are at least as important as mechanical skill. I think that's the most important message one should take from this video.
Whats interesting that Wayton pointed out was that his tm8 was "under ranked". I feel like that is definitely possible because solo q is very much unpredictable. There is skill and LUCK involved. If youre just not getting at least decent tm8s, you can very much be under ranked. I already know people are going to say, "work around your tm8s!" which yes i agree, but we cant just ignore the fact that luck and having bad tm8s is a reality to this game too. My evidence, today as we speak, i am going to get ssl in rumble to get my ssl rewards. Last season, i got ssl in just 5 days in rumble. Now i cant get it for weeks and im stuck in gc2/gc3. I also got ssl for the first time in 3s yesterday so skill isnt an issue. Its just this season in rumble i had no luck in rumble, but fantastic luck in 3s. So yes, luck and bad tm8s are a thing
The guy was not struggling to rankup, in 4 days he went from diamond to GC, probably a secondary account. Yes having bad teammates is a thing, but having good teammates and bad & good opponents is a thing too. And we ALL have bad teammates (the same way we ALL have bad days). So the argument that you can be under-ranked because of your teammates is just wrong (at least, as long as you have played enough games ; if you only have played 40 games then yeah of course randomness will play a big role in your rank). Thinking that someone is D2 instead of GC1 just because of teammates is completely delusional
@@The_Xeos Thanks for the reply. I specifically made my comment as generic as possible. I have already seen that he was most likely an alt account from others before i posted that comment. I only referenced that one player in my quote about what wayton said. Theres obviously no way he went from diamond to gc. My comment is targeted to a broad audience rather than an analysis of that player. So maybe someone whos gc1 finally gets gc2 because of good circumstances. Also im not sure if you even read the part about my evidence for my claims. I do come from a valid perspective. Its nice to see what others have to say
@@zOriginYT Ah yes in this regard I totally agree with you, in general you'll have rank fluctuations that naturally come from both your own inconsistency and the luck on the matchmaking
It’s very hard to win with no mechanics when your teammate doesn’t have many mechanics as well. I truly believe in 2’s or 3’s you need mechanics of some sort to achieve GC
Wayton has showed his piano skills and now he can play any song possible! He should make a new intro theme song. Great video, love the content Wayton. :)
The difference is wayton already has a lot of hours into the game and he understands rotation and game sense at a gc level while a player in diamond or champ does not so to help out with that they learn mechanics. That’s why road to ssl series are different than a normal player even if the Smurf playes at the same skill level as the rank their smurfing against but they already know rotation and game sense. So the claim that you can get to gc with 0 mechanics is false to me
Honestly this video was much better than your old one where you get out of plat using a keyboard. I do appreciate that you said your mechanics were getting better as you climbed. It showed a sense of growth. I still won't say 0 mechanics as you said you were d4 in mechanics at one point. When I think of 0 mechanics, that is people who cannot even land an aerial no matter how simple, or even control the car in air at all. Anyways I enjoyed the video and congratz!
I have extremely similar keys to him expect I just use a keyboard. This man has just proven to me that I don’t need my mechanics. Sad thing is I rely on my mechanics
I think it can be limiting to just think of teammates as either good or bad. I've played with people who are clearly faster than me and have better mechanics, but we have zero team chemistry. Conversely, I've played with folks who are less mechanical than me but our style/rotations fit together so seamlessly that we're beating people who look better than both of us as individuals. So maybe worth trying to party up with those players who you best mesh with, rather than who looks the most mechanical!
Its pretty easy for a Grand Champ to get Grand Champ with no mechanics... Anyone can achieve their own rank without using mechs. And you obviously got carried by your tm8s. All you did was prove that you can hit grand champ in the easiest game mode if you have a smurf tm8 and were already grand champ on your main.
As someone whose been a gc player on and off for the last couple years with low mechanics this is absolutely possible. It’s more about consistent touches on open nets and rotations than anything else. Also solo queue def can make it tougher
yeah right, it's nearly impossible in soloqueue. in my diamond2 solo queue, MOST OF THE TIMES opponents are gc or champ smurfs, not those silvers u had there.. They air dribble and they are very fast and consistent..!
There is no real way to simulate a new players mechanical skill. You simply changed to a different controller, and it did impact your mechanical skill. However it only took a few days for you to get used to it and acquire decent mechanical skill that usually takes months.
This should be the final nail in the coffin, you dont need flashy mechanics to get to GC. What you need is game sense, awareness, patience and good mentality with team mates around you that can carry their own weight. I agree that there is no way you would get GC Solo Q unless you have flashy mechanics. GC without Mechanics is possible 100% i agree on that and thank you for proving it!
He actually ruined his Point. Being pathetic enough to keep being in a party with a Gc2 who carried you so hard in 3s and made it so much easier was very unfair. He did not just que 3 games with him. He qued 19 freakin games with Him. And he said wait till you get a smurf on your team LMao Again you can get to gc with no mechanics but it will be much much slower than this
@@taiemgamerxrbg2080 How did he get carried when he did perfectly well on his own and to add to the point it's impossible to get GC without having team mates you can rely on which he makes the point in this video. You would be a maniac to try this solo Q all the way, it would take him ages and when he finally does it he would be able to do it simply because he hard carries with mechanics. The point he made and if you actually look at it the right way is. You need reliable people to play with who can carry their own weight (not the team) and win as a team. He held his own, yes even with mistakes like we all do at times. His consistency , game sense and ability to adjust himself to his new team mates every time he had new ones made him GC. You are taking this way to heart by saying he ruined it, yes it took away from it indeed, but saying that he should have spent months doing it ''legit'' would take away from the point. At that point he would be mechanic, and then the point is gone again
This video proves that ball reading, positioning, boost management, decision making, game sense and overall experience are as important as fancy mechanics. Also, relying on good team mates to climb up when you're lacking the mechanics (base and/or fancy) "required" for the next rank.
Congrats on GC Wayton. I just got Champ in 2v2. I was so happy for me to get Champ like you were to getting GC. Keep up the grind! You’re killing it. You’ll get SSL someday. Hang in there.
Mechs are for me one of the most important things in Rocket League, bcs it makes the game much more fun and challenging. Playing with a teammate in my gc1 lobbies who does not have a single mech learned is a pain in the neck and I have a problem to trust him in so many plays throughout the game. So mechs are important, not as much as open nets for example but zk what I mean ...
I've honestly been hesitant to watch this video initially and honestly after watching I understand a bit as to why. I am someone who has been training and grinding away at the rank ladder for nearly 4 years and just barely got GC for the first time this season in 2's. The biggest change was getting a consistent teammate that I could play with and rely on. While yes I did play really well and outperformed my teammate in several games, it still didn't feel like I achieved GC myself. Not to say that I didn't appreciate the help or that it diminishes the fact that I got GC after hunting it for so long and having gotten 1 game off twice before, but the fact that despite all of my hard work, despite the years of struggling to improve and get better at the game to reach beyond that boundary of C3 into GC 1, came down to the fact of getting a teammate who had better mechanics so I could focus on my game sense. First thing that came to mind while watching this video was frustration as this video almost felt like a mockery to the hard work that I put into the game to try and get better at it; not in mechanics, but in game sense. All of my consistent friends and teammates I would play with would all say that I'm a very game sense driven player and often adapt to my teammates playstyles as much as I can so that I can enable them to play at their best. As the video went on, I started to get my mental back and reminded myself that what ultimately did end up helping me feel comfortable getting GC was the fact that I played smarter and focused on slowing down the play and just being smart and keeping the ball close/passing; which is kind of the point of this video. Something that I appreciated was that you talked about what often a lot of Champ players (C3 primarily is where I encountered it the most), and that is just when you're on the cusp of hitting GC, you encounter roadblock after roadblock stopping you from progressing further to that new level. This did bring up an intersting thought to my mind of something I'm really curious about and would appreciate if you asked your community about since you seem to be doing more research based videos as of late. When do most players end up playing RL? And a follow up question, what time of day do they think they encounter the most smurfs? I work a full time job and so I can't play during the day and often would spend my evenings once I get home with my wife/other family activities. So I normally play around 9-10PM till about midnight. I'm a night owl and often feel very awake and very engaged during this time and often play at my best. These times are when I am more consistently encountering what feels like more smurfs/teamed up players with even multiple smurfs at once. On the days where I'm at home during the middle of the day I seem to get more consistently players that seem to be around my skill level/rank and I tend to have better rank sessions. Granted my best rank sessions have been at the later hours of the night, but those are rare and oftentimes when I'm playing with someone of a higher skill level and they're playing really good that night. I feel that the time of day impacts the kind of players that you end up encountering and teaming up with and by extension your rank sessions. I don't fully know when you streamed these ranked sessions for this video as I can't typically catch twitch streams while at work, but I'd assume that they were during the middle of the day. Again this is just a thought and I have many more thoughts about this subject, but this comment is already monstrously long and so I'm gonna cut it here. Regardless I did end up appreciating and liking the video to a certain extent, just wish that you phrased things a bit better/emphasized a bit more of the struggle as it definitely feels like a bit of a mockery towards those of us who are trying to hit GC and get better at the game, but due to circumstances with random teammates or just encountering a ton of smurfs or even players like your mechanical teammate that helped you get to GC at the end of the video and just don't play that particular ranked gamemode, it makes hitting GC legitimately hard and not as easy as a lot of content creators make it out to be. GC and above make up ~1% of the total playerbase of RL, meaning it isn't a simple club that you can just sign up for and just have. I'm not saying it's impossible or a challenge that's just unreasonable to shoot for, just a hard challenge that can be achieved eventually given enough work, time, and passion for the game.
I did the same thing by switching for kbm when my controller was broken and I quickly went up champion in 2s, the thing you keep in terms of mechanics while switching to any device (yes even a piano) are the precise timings of your imputs wich are the most important thing of all. That's something you absolutely need in rocket league and it can't be tought. You need to practice those shots and those saves or you will be completely lost when climbing up. And this translate to any support even if you would play with your feet, your brain learned those timings and can't unlearn them
Most people playing with no mechanics don't "randomly" end up with GC level players in their diamond lobbies wanting to party up with them for a quick 30 game session... Do it off stream, with a random name, and no telling anyone who you are. See how long it takes you.
I broke my hands 2 weeks ago and can't hold a controller anymore (for the next month or 2) so I started playing on keyboard (with similarly bad mechs as wayton), got to mid c1 by this point (started my keyboard journey like a week ago) this actually really motivates me to go on and see where I can end up at when my injury has finally healed
The way to rank up fast is to find tm8s that complement your play style. I’m an aggressive non mechanical player (the worst type of teammate) so I only play 1s (I feel to bad to solo queue😂) or with my teammate who’s passive but mechanical and high IQ. There’s a balance that you need to find and stick with IMO.
The only thing i don't like is the "0 mechanics" it’s more like "low mechanics" because 0 would mean u can jup in gc with only knowing how the controls work with no practice. But I get the point
Thing about the term 0 mechanics is people tend to define "mechanics" as things that are hard to do, which is always relative. Even a Bronze I has "mechanics" in the sense they they can all be it poorly drive their vehicle around the field. But it's not what most people would consider a mechanic. Even on keys you're still more mechanical then a lot of players, just you're mechanics are much less consistent. But even removing the muscle memory you still have that visual feedback loop which lets you do some of those nicer clip moments regardless. That said, almost none of this matters, because really hitting GC doesn't require anything fancy, and that's been shown time and time again. You don't have to be super consistent either, which has been shown. Those things help, but they aren't required. Though at the end of the day the less you rely on mechanics the hard you make things as you limit what your options are in any one situation. But then again, I find smart fundamental based gameplay more fun than flashy mechanical stuff and that's more important to me than ranking up.
So yeah, this is what I'm trying to do, I have really good positioning and game sense, but no desire to spend time working on all these solo mechanics. I've probably like 900 hours total and I'm nearly to champ, and I'm often hard carrying with my duo, which is though, but we're on the slow climb up.
Keyboard doesn't completly reset your mechanics. You still know where you need to go, you know what is opponent trying to do and what you need to do. You can read bounces and have control over the car and the ball once you get used to new controls.
I think it’s so much easier to do this in threes because u can rely on ur teammates to just pass it mid for you which happens for a good amount of goals.
Absolutely, you can reach GC1 with no mechanics. I can do basic hits off the wall but can't do consistent air dribbles, flip resets, musties, or anything like that. I got to GC1 only with faking, basic hits off the sidewall, smashing the ball into the opponent's backboard etc. I'd say most importantly, play 1s, fake challenge, shadow defense, variation in challenges and speed at which the challenges are done, and basic shots on net. And to MAKE SURE to hit the ball. If you don't whiff doing crazy stuff, and instead do normal things but don't whiff, you can see a huge difference. Even at GC1, the players make so many mistakes that you can take advantage of with basic longshots etc.
I don't think there are truly "zero mechanics", as any input on a controller is a mechanic. You can't win by not moving, unless you win trade. With that said, this does make it difficult to delineate between what is considered "no mechanics" and "advanced mechanics". Technically, doing two inputs at once is advanced, since you have to involve more than one input. When you were jumping for the ball and getting saves on the keyboard, you were exercising turn, jump, boost, and air roll + knowing where to place your hitbox on the ball to get a save. That is very advanced to an outside viewer. You may not have been hitting flip resets or ceiling pinches, but at the end of the day, those are just a condensed series of core mechanics to achieve a desired effect. You could easily do that on a piano, with enough time. As such, mechanics should really be judged by the consistency you have in coordination to achieve a desire effect, not their complexity. A TAS goal is not more advanced than a bronze ground shot. It just has more core inputs condensed over time with programable consistency. So to say you can get GC with zero mechanics should really be phrased as "can you get GC with zero consistency?" I would say no. Unless you're carried.
Wayton, great video, but I'm gonna argue against you. Yes, you are using a different a different type of controller, but what moving to a different controller basically does is the equivalent of making a setting change which is the equivalent of a temporary lowering of mechanical skill. E.g.: I was SSL, changed my settings, made my mechanics become champ level. That means I have a SSL game sense with champ mechs that puts me around GC1,GC2. After playing for a while, my mechanics get better and then I slowly get my mechanics back to SSL and in turn rank back up to SSL because I have both SSL mechs and game sense. I only really had bad mechs because I wasn't used to the controls, something that we can fix relatively quickly in our brains. This doesn't mean that I got back up to SSL with champ mechs, it means that I regained my SSL mechanics which allowed me to rank up. What you have done in this scenario is essentially the same but much more severe: You equip the MIDI keyboard. Your mechs drop down to plat while your game sense stays at GC2/GC3, this ultimately means that your stable real rank at the moment of the switch is around D3/C1. As you accustom to the MIDI keyboard, your mechanics at the end of the video sit around D3/C2. You've improved your mechanics over time--by the time you solo q to C3 (without the party boost) your mechanics weren't the same from when you started. You can't claim that by the time you hit C3, you have 0 mechanics, that's just not how it works. What would be a better experiment is if you had a GC1 account and played 20 games right after switching to the MIDI keyboard and maintained a 1:1 win/loss ratio. That would be impossible for you though because in order for you, a player with GC2/GC3 level game sense, to maintain GC1, the lowest mechanical ability you can have to maintain a 1:1 win/loss is around C1/C2 level mechanics. Any pro would need at least Diamond level mechanics to maintain GC1. So if what you mean by 0 mechanics is at least Diamond level mechs, then sure, it is possible to get GC with "0 mechanics" I'd love to see you put some pros on randomized settings while trying to maintain a GC1 account lol.
Wayton: *trying to prove this point* "Today I'm trying to get to GC with no mechanics" Also Wayton: "So the plan is to find a teammate with insane mechanics and party up with them"
I think it’s so much easier to do this in threes because u can rely on ur teammates to just pass it mid for you which happens for a good amount of goals for him. Also players in 3s are a lot worse which does help a bit
Plan to get to GC with no mechanics: try and party up with people who have insane mechanics😂
Ikr you don't have to have mechanics you just need two tm8s that are already gc
That's the think with 3v3 though, there will always be an element of how well your teammates play. You can minimise the effect of bad and good teammates. I think it still shows that having good gamesense is the most important aspect of the game though, even the best teammates won't be able to win every game if you're in bad positions.
Yeah completely ruins the vid and concept
These aren’t even “insane mechanics”, you must be gold 3
@@riendibble yeah but they were still speedy and hitting stuff that are good for champ
this actually demonstrates that your tm8s can hold you back or especially slow you down
Exactly he couldn't make any significant progress until he had good tm8s
My tm8 also always hold me back in 1s
Here here, Amen brother. I have this exact experience all the time, bad teammates kill my progress. It's just a fact.
It also demonstrates that you can have bad mechanics but as long as you're rotating and doing what you're supposed to do your teammates can carry you to a win, especially in 3v3
@@Eyswabbsehebb yeah man same.. wait a minute *hold the phone*
Wayton: tries to reach gc with no mechanics..
also Wayton: hopes to find a teammate who is mechanical
Correction: Finds a GC player in diamond lobby.
Doesnt that mean he still got to gc with no mechanics
@@ferooster1294 HE die, but it was easy for him to get a gc in diamond weich made it easier for him
he even said at the end :
i quote
"i finally decided to team up and finish the job , it seemed thats all i truly needed to become the first ever grandchampion piano player"
xD
@pilkin do a 1v1 road to gc/ssl with piano/keyboard.
This debate really comes down to your definition of “mechanics”. You have to remember that when you do a challenge like this, all you’ve lost is your muscle memory. Your read of the ball’s trajectory and physics that you’ve gained after thousands of hours is still there. I’m sure you’d agree that without that, you definitely wouldn’t have completed this challenge.
So it depends - do you consider being able to read the ball a “mechanic”? A lot of people would say no, but I’d argue that in order to have the ability to read the ball well, you would need to have practiced mechanics that require that skill, such as double taps, shooting, saves, etc.
So while reading the ball may not, in itself, be a mechanic, it is learned through training things that actually are mechanics, despite those mechanics themselves not necessarily being needed to get to GC.
Reading the ball, physics and rotations are all gamesense. The opposite of mechanics, they just blend in together at the "ball control" line.
@@Ray.6406 My point wasn’t necessarily that reading the ball is a mechanic in itself, more that it’s a skill that is trained through practising things that actually *are* mechanics. Edited my comment to clarify
@@gblawrence034 reading where the ball is gonna go isnt a mechanic, but hitting the ball yourself is a mechanic
@@ryzikx yes, I understand that argument. See the bottom paragraph of my comment
I agree and I was thinking the same thing because you can only get that level of game sense by playing a long time and doing mechanics.
are we gonna talk about how his team mate went from diamond 3 to grand champ in like 3 days
Lol
Frfr hella sus imo
Clearly a smurf account, only 300 wins
And always conveniently in his lobbies when Wayton is playing and at the same MMR...
He said he didn't play 3s and was only gc in 2s, so his rank was low. I was gc2 in 3s and didn't play 2s, but I got up to gc fairly quick once I did start playing it.
So you don't need mechanics as long as you have teammates with good mechanics. Great info. This will help so much...
Lmao it is soo dumb, he is saying just wait till you get good tm8s
@@taiemgamerxrbg2080 not to mention he streams when he does this so the odds of someone stream sniping with a smurf to get into his game is extremely high. Whether the person admitted to be a viewer or not is irrelevant
@@witheringhs7766 also very true, I forgot about that
@@ninjan8erswanson77 bro in this video hes playing with a actual keyboard
I agree with the sentiment and the statement that you can get high ranked without mechs, but I think the way you went about it doesn't do the best job showing/proving that for 2 main points imo:
1. teaming up with someone who you admit is both under-ranked, and better mechanically than the other players -- kinda devalues your point.
2. 3s is a gamemode where one player's mistakes have the least amount of impact -- so trying for GC (or whatever rank) in 1s would be more impressive
not to say this isn't impressive or to say that the statement is not true -- just that it could've been proved better imo
much love
I agree with this a lot he proved you can get there but not alone which I think is the point trying to be made
Especially when his other video said there's like 25 % of smurfs lmfao... so he teamed up with someone who was "good" for the rank, probably because it was a smurf.
I can't climb higher as I soloq only - so often a party with 1 smurf, or braindead team (or me playing shit some games lmfao). I still bounce around d1-d2 in 3s, d3-c1 in 2s
@@BeSk9991 exactly I’m at the same rank as well and you either get someone who is amazing or just someone who is brain dead
see Flakes
Anybody can team up with a good player, it's not about being impressive.
The problem with videos like this is how do you classify reading the ball, reading the 50s, understanding how and where to hit the ball, how to preserve momentum etc etc. Funny how people who spent thousands of hours doing all these things, all of sudden claim "it's not important". If it's not important then coach somebody to get gc in less than 200-400 hours (overall playtime not the in-game stats).
P. S. I am not hating, love the content
I completely agree with you
All the things you mentioned are game sense, and could probably be taught except for maybe reading the ball. That one you just gotta practice being faster in freeplay/casual matches
Any player and especially coach worth their salt knows reads are the most important skill to have. Whoever says they're not important doesn't understand the game or is lying to you.
GC in less than 400 hours from start to finish?? what? or you mean like coach an existing plat/diamond to GC?
this only prove's me that i can never reach grand champ in solo queue
I did it, so can you. Never partied up with anyone all season, or last season, in ranked. This is my first season getting GC rewards
Any rank you deserve, you can get through solo queue. The only difference is that it takes longer.
@@Techno_Gecko but you have good mechanics
@@lixxor6 I'd argue my mechanics are worse than a majority of the people in my rank
whats ur rank right now in 1v1
"Chasin im better" has to be a paid actor
;)
To me, this only really proves that someone who has already achieved gc with good mechanics can still work their way back up there using the knowledge they gained from being such a high rank, even when being limited in their mechanical ability.
Right, that is the point. You can rank up with being smart and not having mechanical ability.
@@andyfernandez6237how is this no mechanics? He’s doing a lot of the advanced stuff still and he had to find a Smurf in diamond to help him lmao
@@ChillAutos he is doing literally nothing mechanically advanced
@@ChillAutos Im plat 1 and I do stuff like that every so often, none of that is mechanically advanced. And he was obviously holding his own in solo up in grand champ, speeding up the progress by finding someone under ranked and hooking up doesn't change anything. If anything rawdogging the whole thing solo would only make his mechanics better and you'd end up arguing he needed the mechanics to be there. Clearly he doesn't, he fast-tracked the rise but he stayed there on his own.
in it's simplest form, i like that the piano controller makes him so excited about the game again. i remember being hyped about those basic goals man, what a fun, easy time
In my opinion, you were not playing with 0 mechanics in this video, you were just learning to use a new type of controller. I think what is most accurate to playing with 0 mechanics is what Flakes did. Keep the ball in the ground, faking, and good positioning.
flake's gameplay is way more mechanical than wayton imo. he may only be going for simple stuff but he mastered them. a plat can't pull off powerslide cuts nearly as well or as consistently as him. same for shooting. while his content is very interesting and inspiring, the fact that he does the series on controller (on which he has thousands of hour on) doesn't sound fair to me despite the very limited amount of mechanics he does. here what wayton meant by "no mechanics" wasn't "going for simple stuff only" but rather "having very poor mechanics and dealing with it". and i think it should be the real definition of "no mechs"
But he has pro level ball control. He has better mechanics than 99% of the player base. His mechanics are not zero, but rather close to the best. Wayton describes this in the beginning.
@@swagie_ Yeah, that's the whole debate. Eitherway, Wayton with the keyboard managed to pull an air dribble and a double tap, and several shots with power and placement, so that's very far from 0 mechanics. They weren't clean at all, but certainly enough to beat a champ-level goalie. Plus he has his GC2 level mindset on top of that. Although Flakes has perfect car control, I think the whole purpose of his series is to show that understanding the game, staying grounded, and most of the time not going for the ball is way better than grinding mechanics like flip resets and such for hundreds of hours. Most of his goals were just driving the ball inside the net, after waiting for the opponent to hard committing on a challenge.
half agreed, he was technically playing with plat mechanics. basically proved even if you have trash mechanics, you can still get gc with how well you USE those mechanics. for flakes though, i really agree on his playstyle. dude just makes champs rage by not hitting the ball.
Although im not sure if his playstyle works in 3s because it'll be a lot harder since people would be challenging alot more since its 3-man games. It'd be alot difficult to outplay them, you'd need the help of your teammate.
Nobody can play with 0 mechanics. When people say that, it's usually a hyperbole. Also, comparing Flakes with Wayton is wrong. Flakes was trying to demonstrate that you don't need "fancy" mechanics like double flip resets or wall dashes or insane air control. His point was that if you can just master the very basics of mechanics, you'd rank up. Wayton's way is a true reflection of how an average player approaches a game. Anybody over plat can hit a few "fancy" mechanic every now and then, but usually lack control or consistency. Both proved their points masterfully.
Yesss. Wayton uploads!
So you found a GC smurf to carry…
I would love to sit down and chat with you one day to have a conversation regarding these types of debates. Things like this show up on twitter and reddit, constantly but I don't believe anyone has truly addressed the nuances regarding things like rank, mechanics, positioning, play with the team vs for the team, etc. Idk if you're interested but I think it have a ton of benefit to the community to truly dive into what makes this debate so triggering for so many people.
yoooooooo love your tutorials man
@@rubi2609 thank you!
the best way to get to GC with no mechs is to have been a GC for 3 years and play on a smurf account tbh thanks for the video. love the piano play though frfr
I love how you just disproved your theory by teaming with someone who has mechs. The whole point of series like Leth's is that you can solo q to ssl with good decision making. This just proves the "my teammates suck" theory.
I feel like it’s impossible to get grand champ without mechs. Because you will slowly build up mechs like passing. I know some people will say, PaSsIng iS GaMe SenSe, but a lot of people refer to passing as a mech. You may also build up mechanics like wave dashes for recoveries without even trying to do a wave dash. So you might accidentally do a mechanic even if your not trying to😁
Knowing when and where to pass is game sense; being able to execute it consistently and accurately is mechanics
Like knowing where your teammates are and when you should pass is game sense. But actually executing it consistently(Like you said) does come down to mechs
@@ALadCalledPruitt thank you for telling others what I meant😊
@@kaithefryguy if you're on keyboard and mouse like me, teammate location knowledge is mechanics too tbh lmao, we don't get to pan our cameras without jank mapping
@@ALadCalledPruitt lol
"You can get gc with 0 mechanics"
Wayton: i agree
Also wayton: Lets hope that we get a mechanical tm8 today
ALSO WAYTON: since i couldnt get gc, i partied up with gcs and got carried
Wayton: You don't need mechanics to reach Grand Champ
5 minutes later
Wayton: We need to team up with someone who is really good mechanically
???
so he can counteract the stupidity of the mechanical players obviously
So he can make the video and “prove” his point, which he didn’t.
what we can see is that even tho game sense is almost everything (you got gc without mechanics even tho your main is only 3 divisions higher), mechanics are clearly what makes you independant from your teammates, as we've seen with the losses in d2 because of the mates, that wouldn't have happened to even a champ with champ mechanics
This is fake, he touched the ball which is the hardest mechanic there is☹️
This proves that you can rank up in solo queue but bad teammates will make it insanly hard
Wayton: You don't need mechanics to rank up.
Also Wayton: Just find teammates with good mechanics! (6:14 )
I mean your title is not wrong... but actually you just proved that there is a level of mechanical ability needed to rank up. Also you using a keyboard is not playing with 0 mechanics. You just "reset" your physical ability which you quickly gained again.
he counters the stupidity of the mechanical players with gamesense and lets them score, also he said that he is at the mechanical ability of a diamond 1, which tbf is not that hard to get
People think he got carried hard by tm8s and partying up but he still played well, The tm8s he had were bad at rotations but he let them be the 1 and 2 options and Learnt how they play, Im so Pissed because people thought he got carried but they couldn't do anything better. He did get carried in a way but he held his own with rotations and passing instead of ball chasing and getting mad at tm8s
Great work Wayton! I see that, in the case of playing 3s, having tm8s that you can SYNC with is the key to FAST rank ups, especially in the D3 to C3 range. No doubt I think you could grind up to GC solo queing but would take way longer, but in that point in 3s isnt it more like the TEAM is ranked at GC (maybe higher levels this is more applicable) more than the individual player? Unless you get into playing 2s and 1s where individual game sense and mechanics has much more responsibility to reach those higher ranks. Game sense is fundamental and generally more useful than than higher level mechanics in 3s as you demonstrated you had the game sense to read players, ball bounces, and play around whatever random tm8s were doing.
Much of this game becomes an absolute joke when you are a team of intelligent people playing in comms against a regular joe player and his stupid as hell 7 year old randomly assigned teammate. You simply aren't the same rank in solo Q as you are with a regular teammate.
Hit GC in season 10 and I could barely flip reset, I’m now deep into GC and still can’t even speed flip…
This just proves the importance of team synergy
this proves nothing lmao he got carried the whole way to gc
@@eternalglow6483 In my opinion, he can get to GC but it will take a long time, partying with people you found on your ranked lobbies which you can totally do by yourself when you think that your teammate is good will help you rank up faster, mostly because it eliminates the chances of getting bad teammates in the first place.
In conclusion, I think he partied up with good teammates just to speed up the ranking up process, otherwise it'll take weeks which I don't think he has the time or wanted to do so.
@@mtmxlp I mean he partied wit h an ACTUAL GC though. Imagine if he partied up wit ha diamond 2 player.
@@mtmxlp I mean he partied wit h an ACTUAL GC though. Imagine if he partied up wit ha diamond 2 player.
This proves that in RL, like in most activities, you need other things than what people think.
Then, of course, you need all the things if you really want to be up there with the best.
You still had the trained patterns and timing of mechs and knew when you were aligned and for how long and when you should be pressing the keys to get your car to do what you want. You knew what to do mechanically with your car. You may have been lost when inconsistency and fails put you in the wrong spots but there are many situations where lower ranks get lost anyways because they just don't know how to for example turn their car when upside down.
Therefore I would argue that you had a kind of mechanical advantage over lower ranks, a part of having gc mechanics transferred to your piano gameplay.
How big of an influence do you think that had?
Any mechanics he did on his keyboard should be able to be done by any low champ player. he didnt do anything that crazy
@@perfectdark287 but low champ mechanics is in my opinion quite a bit of mechanics, it seems obvious that adding gc game sense to them will get you gc...
Champ is top 10% of players (I checked it but number must be taken with some reserve as various factors make it inaccurate, but it would still be relatively low percentage) so 90% of people wouldn't be able to do some of the stuff he did.
So far it sounds to me like my point would stand strong
I was thinking something similar. Since he had already gotten GC before, he knows exactly what to do in almost every situation. Someone who hasn’t gotten GC before (or doesn’t have much gamesense in general)would still be absolutely lost in some situations.
@@robloxreviewer-z6m well thats the point. Someone with really good game sense can make it to GC without mechanics
@@robloxreviewer-z6m yeah, this is game sense point. I wanted to mention the understanding of mechanics point and having trained the precise patterns
10:55 for a moment there I thought wayton believed in ancient greek gods 😂
Great vid - as a low mechanics champ player myself, this kind of thing gives me inspiration to go grind for that GC title. I'll definitely be diving into that educational video next. Thanks Wayton!
Same, I been stuck in Champion for 3 months
my biggest advice is to just grind ranked as hard as you can until you feel you're not playing optimally then stop. it will take hundreds of games but you should get there over time if you don't give up
Trust me you can, my buddy and I are low mechanic gc players and have been for a long time, it’s more about good rotation and hitting open shots than mechanics
@@ExoticRL 3 months?! I've been stuck here for 3 years! Only peaking in GC1 twice.
ive been stuck in champ for like a year lol, i only play 3s (solo). not super good mechanically but good with positioning and rotation. but every game is like a dice roll, all depends on how well you play with the teammates. sometimes i get like 5 win streak, then a straight 7 L streak lol. It is straining! GC is my goal but its hard
We know those other videos only helped so much, the reason the Flakes one is so legendary is because he talks to us like we deserve.
Sick, now please god tell me how to position properly so I can do this too 😂
idk. definitely makes a very good point, that game awareness is the most important thing for gc. issue is wayton has so much game time at GC level his in game iq is miles beyond what anyone under gc could have. he also is very mechanical on a proper set up, so he reads other players ability and the game much better.
id still say the fastest way to get GC is grind freeplay and get mechanical rather than grind ranked and try get smart. mechanics help you play smarter as well
Congrats to RL #1 GC 3v3 PIANO player 👏👏
Super impressed by the video quality and effort as always... didn't expect someone to make a video response to the tweet.
This was cool. Couldn't have been a better person than you to do it.
But now for the real test that everyone is commenting about...
When do we get to see part 2V2 or part 1V1? 👀
Yo no one saw spookluke comment on this wayton video until almost a year and a half later?
i just got solo que gc two days ago and im bottom of the barrel when it comes to mechs, you just need to be where your team needs you and you got it
I love the idea, but there is a big limit. Yourself. You are already an insanely good player. You KNOW the mechanics, with or without a bad controller. So it's not like you're starting from nothing. You will never be able to have as few mechanics as a real beginner.
Positionning is the key. But in this very video, I could clearly see advanced mechanics, even if you consider that you were bad with the keyboard. You litteraly did multiple aerials. And double taps ?! Which beginners can't do.
So this is not a solid proof in my eyes, sorry ! I may have positionning weakness, but the difference in mechanic levels once you hit champion is obvious if you are average like me. Losing most 50s. Not being able to quick flip on kick off. Not being able to compete on walls. Not being able to stop a good dribble even with shadow defence. Not aiming properly when shooting. With the incredible amount of smurfs pulling ceiling shots and resets, which are very intimidating with my level, etc... You already have the knowledge of these mechanics (and their counter), even with your keyboard, and you are already better than me, at minute 1 ^^
For me, if you want to demonstrate this, you have to observe how a very beginner plays, and cap your skills regarding this. Never aerial. Never make clean controls on the ground. Never win a hard 50. Never shoot hard. Never play backward properly. THIS is having no mechanics. If you even only reach champion like that, I would argue that this is a way better proof.
However, this is a good encouragement for beginners. Keep up the good work.
Well yes and no this is more of he has to suck but I agree it not zero mechs but it supposed to show you don’t need crazy mechs
I really appreciate the showcase that gamesense and mentalitya are at least as important as mechanical skill. I think that's the most important message one should take from this video.
Whats interesting that Wayton pointed out was that his tm8 was "under ranked". I feel like that is definitely possible because solo q is very much unpredictable.
There is skill and LUCK involved. If youre just not getting at least decent tm8s, you can very much be under ranked. I already know people are going to say, "work around your tm8s!" which yes i agree, but we cant just ignore the fact that luck and having bad tm8s is a reality to this game too.
My evidence, today as we speak, i am going to get ssl in rumble to get my ssl rewards. Last season, i got ssl in just 5 days in rumble. Now i cant get it for weeks and im stuck in gc2/gc3. I also got ssl for the first time in 3s yesterday so skill isnt an issue. Its just this season in rumble i had no luck in rumble, but fantastic luck in 3s. So yes, luck and bad tm8s are a thing
Solo queue GC rumble is hell, so much variation in everyone's ability.
The guy was not struggling to rankup, in 4 days he went from diamond to GC, probably a secondary account.
Yes having bad teammates is a thing, but having good teammates and bad & good opponents is a thing too. And we ALL have bad teammates (the same way we ALL have bad days). So the argument that you can be under-ranked because of your teammates is just wrong (at least, as long as you have played enough games ; if you only have played 40 games then yeah of course randomness will play a big role in your rank).
Thinking that someone is D2 instead of GC1 just because of teammates is completely delusional
@@The_Xeos Thanks for the reply. I specifically made my comment as generic as possible. I have already seen that he was most likely an alt account from others before i posted that comment. I only referenced that one player in my quote about what wayton said. Theres obviously no way he went from diamond to gc.
My comment is targeted to a broad audience rather than an analysis of that player. So maybe someone whos gc1 finally gets gc2 because of good circumstances.
Also im not sure if you even read the part about my evidence for my claims. I do come from a valid perspective. Its nice to see what others have to say
@@zOriginYT Ah yes in this regard I totally agree with you, in general you'll have rank fluctuations that naturally come from both your own inconsistency and the luck on the matchmaking
It’s very hard to win with no mechanics when your teammate doesn’t have many mechanics as well. I truly believe in 2’s or 3’s you need mechanics of some sort to achieve GC
Wayton has showed his piano skills and now he can play any song possible! He should make a new intro theme song. Great video, love the content Wayton. :)
The difference is wayton already has a lot of hours into the game and he understands rotation and game sense at a gc level while a player in diamond or champ does not so to help out with that they learn mechanics. That’s why road to ssl series are different than a normal player even if the Smurf playes at the same skill level as the rank their smurfing against but they already know rotation and game sense. So the claim that you can get to gc with 0 mechanics is false to me
Fun to watch Wayton, hope you stream some more on twitch!
Honestly this video was much better than your old one where you get out of plat using a keyboard. I do appreciate that you said your mechanics were getting better as you climbed. It showed a sense of growth. I still won't say 0 mechanics as you said you were d4 in mechanics at one point. When I think of 0 mechanics, that is people who cannot even land an aerial no matter how simple, or even control the car in air at all. Anyways I enjoyed the video and congratz!
okay cool, now do that in 2s😏
Wayton: gets to gc on a literal electronic piano
Me: cant even get to gold
Alternate title: Wayton becomes better than all of us while using a piano keyboard then we are on a controller...
13:15 dude he can barely hit the ball lmao he got carried the whole way to GC
He unironically plays exactly like me and im gc
you could have been the first piano main gc 💀
Hey Wayton! Glad to see you showing us keyboard players more recognition!
I have extremely similar keys to him expect I just use a keyboard. This man has just proven to me that I don’t need my mechanics.
Sad thing is I rely on my mechanics
Can you coach me?
Moral of the story: You can get GC without good mechanics.....if you manage to find teammates who dont tilt.
GG I guess lol. it's cool I'm in a video!
Is that actually you?
bro u weird asf get out of here
I think it can be limiting to just think of teammates as either good or bad. I've played with people who are clearly faster than me and have better mechanics, but we have zero team chemistry. Conversely, I've played with folks who are less mechanical than me but our style/rotations fit together so seamlessly that we're beating people who look better than both of us as individuals. So maybe worth trying to party up with those players who you best mesh with, rather than who looks the most mechanical!
Hear, hear!
He played on a LITERAL keyboard 🙃
Can not accept that you don’t need mechanics to be gc
The joke is that a keyboard normally is what you play with on a computer but instead he used an actual musical keyboard, also I am gc
@@Trellevo that shit makes no sense but ok
So do you understand or not?
Sorry I’m not trying to be rude
Bro actually ariels like Athena😂😂😂
Its pretty easy for a Grand Champ to get Grand Champ with no mechanics... Anyone can achieve their own rank without using mechs. And you obviously got carried by your tm8s. All you did was prove that you can hit grand champ in the easiest game mode if you have a smurf tm8 and were already grand champ on your main.
Partying up with teammates that are already gc completely ruins the concept of the vid ngl
4:47 him:no mechanics
Also him:*half flips*
Fake
As someone whose been a gc player on and off for the last couple years with low mechanics this is absolutely possible. It’s more about consistent touches on open nets and rotations than anything else. Also solo queue def can make it tougher
yeah right, it's nearly impossible in soloqueue. in my diamond2 solo queue, MOST OF THE TIMES opponents are gc or champ smurfs, not those silvers u had there.. They air dribble and they are very fast and consistent..!
There is no real way to simulate a new players mechanical skill. You simply changed to a different controller, and it did impact your mechanical skill. However it only took a few days for you to get used to it and acquire decent mechanical skill that usually takes months.
This should be the final nail in the coffin, you dont need flashy mechanics to get to GC. What you need is game sense, awareness, patience and good mentality with team mates around you that can carry their own weight. I agree that there is no way you would get GC Solo Q unless you have flashy mechanics. GC without Mechanics is possible 100% i agree on that and thank you for proving it!
He actually ruined his Point. Being pathetic enough to keep being in a party with a Gc2 who carried you so hard in 3s and made it so much easier was very unfair. He did not just que 3 games with him. He qued 19 freakin games with Him. And he said wait till you get a smurf on your team LMao
Again you can get to gc with no mechanics but it will be much much slower than this
@@taiemgamerxrbg2080 How did he get carried when he did perfectly well on his own and to add to the point it's impossible to get GC without having team mates you can rely on which he makes the point in this video. You would be a maniac to try this solo Q all the way, it would take him ages and when he finally does it he would be able to do it simply because he hard carries with mechanics. The point he made and if you actually look at it the right way is. You need reliable people to play with who can carry their own weight (not the team) and win as a team. He held his own, yes even with mistakes like we all do at times. His consistency , game sense and ability to adjust himself to his new team mates every time he had new ones made him GC. You are taking this way to heart by saying he ruined it, yes it took away from it indeed, but saying that he should have spent months doing it ''legit'' would take away from the point. At that point he would be mechanic, and then the point is gone again
@@RambinoYT so that means 2 GCs+ running low to mid champ games. no shit they were going to win every game pretty much.
this just inspires me to solo q rank 3s more and get to champ 1 like I always believed.
This video proves that ball reading, positioning, boost management, decision making, game sense and overall experience are as important as fancy mechanics. Also, relying on good team mates to climb up when you're lacking the mechanics (base and/or fancy) "required" for the next rank.
Congrats on GC Wayton. I just got Champ in 2v2. I was so happy for me to get Champ like you were to getting GC. Keep up the grind! You’re killing it. You’ll get SSL someday. Hang in there.
Mechs are for me one of the most important things in Rocket League, bcs it makes the game much more fun and challenging. Playing with a teammate in my gc1 lobbies who does not have a single mech learned is a pain in the neck and I have a problem to trust him in so many plays throughout the game. So mechs are important, not as much as open nets for example but zk what I mean ...
I feel personally attacked to be frank
wish i had a teamate like wayton, on keyboard or not, you cannot beat his mentality
To climb the ranks, find someone mechanical and party up. Got it. 😂
I've honestly been hesitant to watch this video initially and honestly after watching I understand a bit as to why.
I am someone who has been training and grinding away at the rank ladder for nearly 4 years and just barely got GC for the first time this season in 2's. The biggest change was getting a consistent teammate that I could play with and rely on. While yes I did play really well and outperformed my teammate in several games, it still didn't feel like I achieved GC myself. Not to say that I didn't appreciate the help or that it diminishes the fact that I got GC after hunting it for so long and having gotten 1 game off twice before, but the fact that despite all of my hard work, despite the years of struggling to improve and get better at the game to reach beyond that boundary of C3 into GC 1, came down to the fact of getting a teammate who had better mechanics so I could focus on my game sense.
First thing that came to mind while watching this video was frustration as this video almost felt like a mockery to the hard work that I put into the game to try and get better at it; not in mechanics, but in game sense. All of my consistent friends and teammates I would play with would all say that I'm a very game sense driven player and often adapt to my teammates playstyles as much as I can so that I can enable them to play at their best. As the video went on, I started to get my mental back and reminded myself that what ultimately did end up helping me feel comfortable getting GC was the fact that I played smarter and focused on slowing down the play and just being smart and keeping the ball close/passing; which is kind of the point of this video.
Something that I appreciated was that you talked about what often a lot of Champ players (C3 primarily is where I encountered it the most), and that is just when you're on the cusp of hitting GC, you encounter roadblock after roadblock stopping you from progressing further to that new level. This did bring up an intersting thought to my mind of something I'm really curious about and would appreciate if you asked your community about since you seem to be doing more research based videos as of late. When do most players end up playing RL? And a follow up question, what time of day do they think they encounter the most smurfs?
I work a full time job and so I can't play during the day and often would spend my evenings once I get home with my wife/other family activities. So I normally play around 9-10PM till about midnight. I'm a night owl and often feel very awake and very engaged during this time and often play at my best. These times are when I am more consistently encountering what feels like more smurfs/teamed up players with even multiple smurfs at once. On the days where I'm at home during the middle of the day I seem to get more consistently players that seem to be around my skill level/rank and I tend to have better rank sessions. Granted my best rank sessions have been at the later hours of the night, but those are rare and oftentimes when I'm playing with someone of a higher skill level and they're playing really good that night. I feel that the time of day impacts the kind of players that you end up encountering and teaming up with and by extension your rank sessions. I don't fully know when you streamed these ranked sessions for this video as I can't typically catch twitch streams while at work, but I'd assume that they were during the middle of the day.
Again this is just a thought and I have many more thoughts about this subject, but this comment is already monstrously long and so I'm gonna cut it here. Regardless I did end up appreciating and liking the video to a certain extent, just wish that you phrased things a bit better/emphasized a bit more of the struggle as it definitely feels like a bit of a mockery towards those of us who are trying to hit GC and get better at the game, but due to circumstances with random teammates or just encountering a ton of smurfs or even players like your mechanical teammate that helped you get to GC at the end of the video and just don't play that particular ranked gamemode, it makes hitting GC legitimately hard and not as easy as a lot of content creators make it out to be. GC and above make up ~1% of the total playerbase of RL, meaning it isn't a simple club that you can just sign up for and just have. I'm not saying it's impossible or a challenge that's just unreasonable to shoot for, just a hard challenge that can be achieved eventually given enough work, time, and passion for the game.
Thats tough my boy I hit GC for the first time yesterday in 2s and only have 500 hours in the game
thanks for giving me tomorrow’s essay
@@CometWarriorG Haha, no problem :P
I did the same thing by switching for kbm when my controller was broken and I quickly went up champion in 2s, the thing you keep in terms of mechanics while switching to any device (yes even a piano) are the precise timings of your imputs wich are the most important thing of all. That's something you absolutely need in rocket league and it can't be tought. You need to practice those shots and those saves or you will be completely lost when climbing up. And this translate to any support even if you would play with your feet, your brain learned those timings and can't unlearn them
Most people playing with no mechanics don't "randomly" end up with GC level players in their diamond lobbies wanting to party up with them for a quick 30 game session...
Do it off stream, with a random name, and no telling anyone who you are. See how long it takes you.
I broke my hands 2 weeks ago and can't hold a controller anymore (for the next month or 2) so I started playing on keyboard (with similarly bad mechs as wayton), got to mid c1 by this point (started my keyboard journey like a week ago)
this actually really motivates me to go on and see where I can end up at when my injury has finally healed
gl on your ranked journey
fuck that fuck that fuck that. rest your hands. you'll regret it later. trust me
Fun playing with you on this Journey!!
The way to rank up fast is to find tm8s that complement your play style. I’m an aggressive non mechanical player (the worst type of teammate) so I only play 1s (I feel to bad to solo queue😂) or with my teammate who’s passive but mechanical and high IQ. There’s a balance that you need to find and stick with IMO.
The only thing i don't like is the "0 mechanics" it’s more like "low mechanics" because 0 would mean u can jup in gc with only knowing how the controls work with no practice. But I get the point
When the camera showed the back of your setup, I felt like I truly broke the 4th wall
Get GC with zero mechanics: I know have plat 3 mechanics 😂 8:52
Thing about the term 0 mechanics is people tend to define "mechanics" as things that are hard to do, which is always relative. Even a Bronze I has "mechanics" in the sense they they can all be it poorly drive their vehicle around the field. But it's not what most people would consider a mechanic. Even on keys you're still more mechanical then a lot of players, just you're mechanics are much less consistent. But even removing the muscle memory you still have that visual feedback loop which lets you do some of those nicer clip moments regardless.
That said, almost none of this matters, because really hitting GC doesn't require anything fancy, and that's been shown time and time again. You don't have to be super consistent either, which has been shown. Those things help, but they aren't required. Though at the end of the day the less you rely on mechanics the hard you make things as you limit what your options are in any one situation. But then again, I find smart fundamental based gameplay more fun than flashy mechanical stuff and that's more important to me than ranking up.
The stratagy was awesome! "Get carried" is always the best strategy
wayton on da grind
So yeah, this is what I'm trying to do, I have really good positioning and game sense, but no desire to spend time working on all these solo mechanics. I've probably like 900 hours total and I'm nearly to champ, and I'm often hard carrying with my duo, which is though, but we're on the slow climb up.
Keyboard doesn't completly reset your mechanics. You still know where you need to go, you know what is opponent trying to do and what you need to do. You can read bounces and have control over the car and the ball once you get used to new controls.
“You can get GC with no mechanics”
Don’t do that, don’t give me hope
I think it’s so much easier to do this in threes because u can rely on ur teammates to just pass it mid for you which happens for a good amount of goals.
You are so good Wayton keep up the great work 🎉
awesome watch but man the fails would be so refreshing and hilarious to see at least mixed in throughout
Absolutely, you can reach GC1 with no mechanics. I can do basic hits off the wall but can't do consistent air dribbles, flip resets, musties, or anything like that. I got to GC1 only with faking, basic hits off the sidewall, smashing the ball into the opponent's backboard etc. I'd say most importantly, play 1s, fake challenge, shadow defense, variation in challenges and speed at which the challenges are done, and basic shots on net. And to MAKE SURE to hit the ball. If you don't whiff doing crazy stuff, and instead do normal things but don't whiff, you can see a huge difference. Even at GC1, the players make so many mistakes that you can take advantage of with basic longshots etc.
always been a kbm player and this actually really inspired me to get out of garbage diamond. gonna go do that real quick
i still don't think this counts as "zero" mechanics but nice job lol
I don't think there are truly "zero mechanics", as any input on a controller is a mechanic. You can't win by not moving, unless you win trade.
With that said, this does make it difficult to delineate between what is considered "no mechanics" and "advanced mechanics". Technically, doing two inputs at once is advanced, since you have to involve more than one input. When you were jumping for the ball and getting saves on the keyboard, you were exercising turn, jump, boost, and air roll + knowing where to place your hitbox on the ball to get a save. That is very advanced to an outside viewer. You may not have been hitting flip resets or ceiling pinches, but at the end of the day, those are just a condensed series of core mechanics to achieve a desired effect. You could easily do that on a piano, with enough time. As such, mechanics should really be judged by the consistency you have in coordination to achieve a desire effect, not their complexity. A TAS goal is not more advanced than a bronze ground shot. It just has more core inputs condensed over time with programable consistency.
So to say you can get GC with zero mechanics should really be phrased as "can you get GC with zero consistency?" I would say no. Unless you're carried.
Wayton, great video, but I'm gonna argue against you. Yes, you are using a different a different type of controller, but what moving to a different controller basically does is the equivalent of making a setting change which is the equivalent of a temporary lowering of mechanical skill.
E.g.: I was SSL, changed my settings, made my mechanics become champ level. That means I have a SSL game sense with champ mechs that puts me around GC1,GC2. After playing for a while, my mechanics get better and then I slowly get my mechanics back to SSL and in turn rank back up to SSL because I have both SSL mechs and game sense. I only really had bad mechs because I wasn't used to the controls, something that we can fix relatively quickly in our brains. This doesn't mean that I got back up to SSL with champ mechs, it means that I regained my SSL mechanics which allowed me to rank up.
What you have done in this scenario is essentially the same but much more severe:
You equip the MIDI keyboard. Your mechs drop down to plat while your game sense stays at GC2/GC3, this ultimately means that your stable real rank at the moment of the switch is around D3/C1. As you accustom to the MIDI keyboard, your mechanics at the end of the video sit around D3/C2. You've improved your mechanics over time--by the time you solo q to C3 (without the party boost) your mechanics weren't the same from when you started. You can't claim that by the time you hit C3, you have 0 mechanics, that's just not how it works.
What would be a better experiment is if you had a GC1 account and played 20 games right after switching to the MIDI keyboard and maintained a 1:1 win/loss ratio. That would be impossible for you though because in order for you, a player with GC2/GC3 level game sense, to maintain GC1, the lowest mechanical ability you can have to maintain a 1:1 win/loss is around C1/C2 level mechanics.
Any pro would need at least Diamond level mechanics to maintain GC1. So if what you mean by 0 mechanics is at least Diamond level mechs, then sure, it is possible to get GC with "0 mechanics"
I'd love to see you put some pros on randomized settings while trying to maintain a GC1 account lol.
Wayton: *trying to prove this point* "Today I'm trying to get to GC with no mechanics"
Also Wayton: "So the plan is to find a teammate with insane mechanics and party up with them"
I think it’s so much easier to do this in threes because u can rely on ur teammates to just pass it mid for you which happens for a good amount of goals for him. Also players in 3s are a lot worse which does help a bit
How to rank up:
Hit ball(don't whiff)
Stop them scoring
Pass ball to m8s
Score goals
grand champ with no mechanics. Wayton: "Lets find a mechanical tm8 that I can play around".
Randoms: synth? Piano?
Wayton: Midi-keyboard
Producers: thank god