The operational hours need to be extended to at least 11 P.M. , ending the service in 7 P.M. for a driverless train is ridiculous. Also is the frequency at least every 5 minutes? Because usually driverless train have frequency every 3 minutes or less, because if the frequency is above every 5 minutes, might as well just man the train because you just defeat the purpose of the driverless train. In the future, they might want the Area around all station to be at the very least integrated by very frequent Busses, they also can build some high density Housing and retail area around each station although i think they already planned about that, also they need to improve Pedestrian facility to actually connect with the destination that people want to go.
Yeah, those operating hours for a driverless train is a complete and utter joke. If it was manned, you could maybe justify it, but not for an automated system which has basically 0 marginal costs
They could follow how Singapore developed its transport system these days, where there's an Integrated Transport Hub (Shopping mall with Bus Interchange co-located) as a TOD and serving the community.
I don‘t know whats worse, the first train on 8am or the last train on 7pm. I guess there are plenty of people on hawaii who even work longer hours on daily base than this automated train
I would understand such short operating times if they coudln't find drivers. But they don't even need them. In theory, automated trains could operate 23 to 24 hours a day (with reduced capacity between 10 PM and 5 AM for maintenance)
It stops running at 7pm because that's when transit usage along that corridor significantly drops off, per what the data shows. Hours will be extended once phase 2 opens.
@@fernandorevilla3518 it's fully automated and dual track, just like Copenhagen metro (which drops to half hourly frequency at really late hours and runs single track). If they can do 24/7 service, then so can HART. Won't be easy though. But 24/7 aside, there's no reason why they can't do a 0500-2359 service.
@@E11orCopenhagen metro has 20 minute frequency late at night, which is when it goes from double track running to single track running for maintenance. No reason why Honolulu's The train can't at least do hourly service at late hours given that it's also driverless and dual track, and 10 minutes at normal hours.
@@illiiilli24601 I imagine it's a bit dangerous with how the viaduct is set up... tho they could do clock schedule that late for only a certain sections on :00 & :30, etc
Hawaii now needs to develop high density, transit oriented development around the western stations. There is a lot of open space around all of the stations. They are currently just basically ride-share stations. Ridership will not significantly increase until the rail begins to connect population centers.
@@mathieufaltys and yet the only thing being built around the new station in East Kapolei are mid sized commercial and housing developments. They should build more skyscrapers tbh
I rode it when we visited in September. It really goes nowhere. No one was on it. The extension is almost ready, but if you want people on it, build it to Ala Moana and through Waikiki. We took the buses and it was a nightmare. It took almost 2 hours frim the East end of Waikiki to the Stadium. Imagine all the people who could ride.
In Montréal, phase one of the REM (light métro) opened last year with five stations at 16.6 km of length. It is already getting about 29 000 riders per day. What a difference in ridership, comparing to phase one of the skyline!
We know. We are currently in the process of writing the script for Montreal REM 😃 Amazing how the project was cost and time effective in comparison with the US transit projects.
@@RailwaysExplained It seems that the whole English speaking world has a problem with severe time and budget overruns on infrastructure. Except Vancouver, so far. It didn't used to be like that. I look forward to the Montreal REM one.
2.1 million people in the city and 4.2 million in the metro area vs 1 million for all of Oahu. The initial projection for the current route was 15,000, later downgraded to 12,600 and then 8-10,000. According to official figures from DTS, actual ridership for the first year was 3,194 per day.
Montreal already has a metro. Completely different story. The REM is a fill-in solution with an already established ridership base. Vancouver's the same. Though much smaller population than Montreal, when it built the 19km Canada Line to the airport, it was pretty much full from day 1. Over 100k passengers from the start in 2010. It just goes to show you that you have to built lines where people want to go... HART doesn't yet go anywhere. Once you build where people want to go, then you can build to areas to encourage TOD... like the Millennium Line did, which at first had low ridership but has become a spine for North Burnaby and given the cities a focus for TOD along a corridor that use to have car dealerships. It seems that HART is handicapping its future. I have high hopes for it because people just don't yet appreciate it, but it HAS to increase hours soon. It's no good going to the airport if it isn't running when flights are coming in or out!!!
3000 - 4000 passengers is barely the attendance of a tramway STATION in my home city, not even a line. Let alone an automated metro... The HART ridership is abysmal, there's no better way to say it. Though, beginning construction with the least usable part surely didn't help, ontop of the weird operating hours. It's as if they did everything to make it unsuccessful... As for the humongous cost, the insularity is an overworked excuse. All rapid transit, train, or light rail infrastructures in America are excessively expensive to build. New York, Los Angeles, and San Francisco aren't islands in the middle of the Pacific, and yet, they build horribly costly transportation infrastructures. Being an island far away maybe played a role in the excessive cost, but the main issue is that it's built in America, where a surface tramway line costs as much as a deep bored automated subway line in European G7 countries... How could Ansaldo produce a train with such problematic wheel flanges? They've equipped other cities, what happened here?
The excessive cost is because the US doesn't have enough ongoing transit build-out, so there are no standing bodies of knowledge about how to build, or buy, or let alone manage transit projects, so everyone is constantly costing out a build-up of an army of temps who have to be trained on newly purchased tools, purchased by people who have no idea if the quoted price is in line with their last 2 equivalent projects, and managed by people who have more ambitions in the political sphere than giving a hoot about lowering profitability by holding suppliers to engineering standards. Adding city infill projects to this just multiplies the costs of everything, bc instead of clearcutting stands of trees to make way for all of your heavy equipment, you have to delicately dance around building skyscraper foundations and city utilities with your army of temps with their makeshift equipment. Contrast that to the asphalt highway industrial complex. You can point to dozens of degree-granting institutions that can set you up for life by placing you in the standing army of suppliers to that beast, and that's without even mentioning the entire other standing army of suppliers for vehicles that require asphalt roadways.
@@wyw876 There are many other reasons for the ballooning costs. They all compound each other to inflate costs to unbelievably high levels. This was explained quite well by the Transit Cost Project. But it seems they never learn from their mistakes and they keep repeating them over and over. So the cost increases, and future projects include these cost increases, which then is increased again, and on and on... The fact that there's few qualified and experienced workers in this field only is a small part of the problem. The ones that have experience don't use it to improve future projects, it's like they redo the same mistakes every single time like a broken record. Among the many reasons, there's the excessive number of workers on certain tasks, the excessive recourse to overtime, the excessive use or selection of custom products, sizes, technologies, etc. The excessive alterations of plans past the design stage, the excessive use of consultants and micro-management by people who should rather use a hands-off approach, and many other reasons. All these have an impact on cost, even if it seems limited when taken independently. But all of them together can increase the cost of a project by ten folds. Excessive manning of certain teams multiplied by overdesigning and-or oversizing certain parts quickly drive the cost up. Add to that the many other reasons and you obtain some of the worst overpriced projects on the planet. For example : 1.5 time too many workers on average per task, plus 1.5 time overdesigning stations which are 1.8 time larger in footprint that they need to be and you get a project that's already more than 4 times the normal cost... It seems like no one wants to do anything to correct that. As if many of those involved actually support this overspending and rather continue this way instead of conducting properly efficient infrastructure projects.
Honolulu really needs this but it would be better to have extended into Waikiki. H1 is insane and can't be expanded, especially through the city center - and buses from the airport take at least 45 minutes in each direction with at least forty possible bus stops. Getting the extension to Ala Moana would be a huge benefit as that's a major transit hub. Not sure how they'd get into Waikiki from there, even on elevated track.
Of course it's not ideal that it will take so long to extend it to the east, so that more people can use it. But it's amazing that they finally got an automated light metro with platform doors in the US!
@@stevens1041The MTA runs an impressive system considering its size but it could be much better. Better frequency, better safety, and hasn’t really expanded by much
Why invest in super expensive, fully automated trains if you are just going to park them for 13 hours every day? That makes absolutely no sense. Also, I'd like to see an episode about the Alaska railroad someday.
4000 people is a very low ridership, in my countryside hometown there is a bus line that has more passengers than there. I think it's just a matter of time for people to get used to use transit, also as the new phases open to service there will be more people.
Is there a plan to extend the working hours beyond 19:00? The local mass transit I use (not in the US) ends service around 23:30 for the last train, and I often find it to be too early. Surprised that a tourist hub like Hawaii would end service so early.
They Main Issue for high cost of living is not only the island location but the Jones Act. Making it extremly expensive to chip any goods from the Mainland US to Hawaii or Alaska by Boat. Because ships have to be american build american owned and american crewed. But the US has barely any shipbuilders left not have they enough crew. The current fleet is ageing fast and is not getting replaced. Fright rates are insane. They are flying cows to California to slaughter because it would be cheaper then by boat.
The part of the video where the project cost breakdown is done is very superficial and simplistic. For example, the claim that shipping to Hawaii by sea is prohibitively expensive is false - the Jones Act makes shipping anything by ship between "domestic" US territories incredibly expensive, not the distance itself, etc.
I used it back in August and got to say it didn’t really seem to go anywhere when I used it. Hopefully they get phase 2 done and also I don’t see why an automated system doesn’t run 24 seven.
It's ridiculous how much this light metro is costing. In Montreal the province of Quebec is building a 67 mile long light metro for about $7 bln CDN. There is no excuse that a simple light metro less than 20 miles long would cost as much as Boston's Big Dig! Why the ultimate build-out stops shy of Waikiki Beach I'll never know except I can guess that the taxi lobby defeated a proposed section to that tourist destination. And the hours? 8 AM to 7 PM is a guarantee that people won't take the train. Get it running to round the clock like in New York City or at least 5 AM to 1 AM like in Boston and people will take it!
13:52 the hours 8:00 AM HST - 7:00 PM HST are only on Weekends and Holidays, on all other days its 5:00 AM HST - 7:00 PM HST I know 7:00 PM HST is rather early but its only the first segment
Despite the many problems with this system as it stands today, the fact is, it has really good bones and potential. They just need to realise it. Get phases 2 and 3 built. Extend operating hours and frequency, and consider expanding further east. It could end up being one of the best systems in the U.S. if they just finish the darn thing.
Why is the train only planned to go as far as Ala Moana, and not all the way to Waikiki? It’s such a huge center of employment and tourism, it seems like an obvious place for the eastern terminus of the line.
Operation time should be increased from 7am morning time to 5AM morning time and 7pm in the evening to 2:30 AM midnight as well for best recouping of construction costs. After this service time implementation, 24 Hours service on all days,including sunday is expected. On demand train service should be experimented, where projected demand and actual transportation demands are analysed by using software systems and then the train is operated accordingly. For such a high cost, mega project, service hours must be, 24 Hours, all days every week. Service intervals should have replacement trains running.
The usual complaints posted here...but the point is that this is just the first phase of what will be in use far into the future, with extensions gradually being added.
2nd and 3rd phase should be postponed to later dates when inflation and cost of construction reduces. Highway and roadway tolls in the metro area should be increased by 25% to 30% or even higher as well of current costs, and air tickets of the airports should also have a share of the metro construction costs added as city development tax, for meeting the costs of the 1st phase of this metro.
@@E11or if the system would be as great as the at-grade streetcars in Hiroshima, that would be great, but remember that this is in the US, drivers are too entitled to wait at crossings. Grade separation is still the best way to build railway lines.
@@ianhomerpura8937It always comes down to the US being a country not used to decent and frequent public transport. The whole world has streetcars/trams and only in the US and Canada they suck. How come? They don’t have dedicated lanes and they don’t have priority at crossings over there. Try to change it and they only see objections and problems instead of possibilities and solutions which work fine in the rest of the world. The US has to be like this because they feel superior, so the rest of the world cannot have a better solution than they can come up with. So they keep muddling on with public transport.
What I don't understand is this part: "Initially estimated at 5.2 billion dollars, the project's budget has since ballooned to over 12.4 billion dollars. One major reason behind the skyrocketing costs is Hawaii's geographical isolation." So... they didn't know the city's location until after construction started? Or did they just find out that the location makes things more expensive? I don't get why they didn't factor in the higher costs posed by the logistical challenges from the beginning.
It is just a request, I noticed it straight away and it bothered me to the point I stopped watching, to the people that don't notice, great, to the people that do notice like myself, it is a hard watch, 0 is correct where numbers are being used, O is correct when a word or letter is being used. My written English isn't always perfect but I am not publishing content.
I still dont understand why one more station wasn’t built at Ka Makana Ali’i; now those trying to get to this mall in Kapolei have to get off at the Kroc Center and then walk/bus/Uber to the mall; just plain dumb.
Why are the opening hours only from 8 a.m. to 7 p.m.? It doesn’t make any sense! No wonder the target numbers aren’t being reached. Doesn’t make much sense.
Two separate decisions. The excise tax surcharge was approved by the legislature in 2005 and they started collecting it in 2007. The vote to build rail was in 2008, and was narrowly approved after pro-rail forces massively outspent opponents. “The City and County of Honolulu began collecting revenues from the 0.5% general excise tax surcharge in 2007.” hawaiibusiness 11/9/2021 “Oahu residents voted to approve the City Charter amendment supporting the 20-mile elevated steel-rail transit system from Kapolei to Ala Moana, the single-largest public works project in state history. The measure passed with 52.6 percent of voters approving, 47.4 percent opposing.” Star Bulletin 11/5/2008 “The anti-rail campaign was ultimately outspent by the City and various rail proponents by a ratio of 100 to 1.” Mineta Transportation Institute - REVISITING FACTORS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUCCESS OF BALLOT INITIATIVES WITH A SUBSTANTIAL RAIL TRANSIT COMPONENT 6/11
It's worthless, unless you were in on the money laundering scheme, in which case you literally robbed the public coffers for this worthless monstrosity.
wow, not a great choice to have elevated rale, super slow, super small, compared to alot of other places in the world but at least it's a start, they've needed this for years and years. That dude in the 90s was a moron to abandon it.
Because they need to buy up all the land and land in Hawaï is a lot more expensive than in Indonesia (and also the Indonesian government is more authoritarian and doesn't give a f*ck about people living where the railroad needs to be build). Also Hawaï probably has better safety standards = more expensive construction, and elevated track is also relatively expensive.
@@googleslave Well, at least we built it in our own with our home made LRT Trainset from Madiun and we've built it longer in one go compared to the HART Skyline.
@@keizervanenerc5180 "Authoritarian"?! To save money, the LRT was built above the Kuningan Avenue and the Inner City Toll Road. On the outskirts, they built it beside the toll road as well.
Not really a flop, we won’t know until the full line is built that will cover the more populated areas. Plus after new development at the stations could drive up ridership.
@@ianhomerpura8937 because this is a light metro - for him such a budget is a lot. maybe there are such prices in the USA, but even the underground subway is cheaper here. plus there are few stations. small coverage. in the USA, public transport is very backward, it is clear that this is the policy of the government, but it was necessary to build transport a long time ago. such a small project - there is nothing even to discuss here - you just need to build.
Narrator is quite easy to understand, it certainly doesn't need a change. And well, can of course be biased, however hearing english being spoken without american or british accent is nice.
The operational hours need to be extended to at least 11 P.M. , ending the service in 7 P.M. for a driverless train is ridiculous.
Also is the frequency at least every 5 minutes? Because usually driverless train have frequency every 3 minutes or less, because if the frequency is above every 5 minutes, might as well just man the train because you just defeat the purpose of the driverless train.
In the future, they might want the Area around all station to be at the very least integrated by very frequent Busses, they also can build some high density Housing and retail area around each station although i think they already planned about that, also they need to improve Pedestrian facility to actually connect with the destination that people want to go.
Yeah, those operating hours for a driverless train is a complete and utter joke. If it was manned, you could maybe justify it, but not for an automated system which has basically 0 marginal costs
i live on oahu and all the stations have great bus connections and frequency is genrally good on the bus here
A lot of commuters try to stay on Pacific time, so it might be better to open earlier. Hopefully that'll be the case once the extensions are complete.
Yeah, there is no excuse for those hours. Ridiculous.
They could follow how Singapore developed its transport system these days, where there's an Integrated Transport Hub (Shopping mall with Bus Interchange co-located) as a TOD and serving the community.
I don‘t know whats worse, the first train on 8am or the last train on 7pm. I guess there are plenty of people on hawaii who even work longer hours on daily base than this automated train
As soon as they serve the airport they need to step up the game
I would understand such short operating times if they coudln't find drivers. But they don't even need them. In theory, automated trains could operate 23 to 24 hours a day (with reduced capacity between 10 PM and 5 AM for maintenance)
@@derorje2035 they do here in Copenhagen.. 24-hour service (we operate the same Ansaldo STS /Hitachi metro as shown here in this video).
8AM is only on Weekends and Holidays, on all other days its 5AM
It stops running at 7pm because that's when transit usage along that corridor significantly drops off, per what the data shows. Hours will be extended once phase 2 opens.
If the line finally serves downtown and the airport, they should do service all day and night. Will be a successtory
Then when will you have time for mantainence?
@@fernandorevilla3518 it's fully automated and dual track, just like Copenhagen metro (which drops to half hourly frequency at really late hours and runs single track). If they can do 24/7 service, then so can HART.
Won't be easy though.
But 24/7 aside, there's no reason why they can't do a 0500-2359 service.
@ Some systems do it while it still operates. Also in the night there shouldn’t be a 10min Service but like once an hour. Or a two hour gap.
@@E11orCopenhagen metro has 20 minute frequency late at night, which is when it goes from double track running to single track running for maintenance.
No reason why Honolulu's The train can't at least do hourly service at late hours given that it's also driverless and dual track, and 10 minutes at normal hours.
@@illiiilli24601 I imagine it's a bit dangerous with how the viaduct is set up... tho they could do clock schedule that late for only a certain sections on :00 & :30, etc
Hawaii now needs to develop high density, transit oriented development around the western stations. There is a lot of open space around all of the stations. They are currently just basically ride-share stations. Ridership will not significantly increase until the rail begins to connect population centers.
@@mathieufaltys and yet the only thing being built around the new station in East Kapolei are mid sized commercial and housing developments. They should build more skyscrapers tbh
I rode it when we visited in September. It really goes nowhere. No one was on it. The extension is almost ready, but if you want people on it, build it to Ala Moana and through Waikiki. We took the buses and it was a nightmare. It took almost 2 hours frim the East end of Waikiki to the Stadium. Imagine all the people who could ride.
They are working on it, also they are developing more housing at the stations in the West.
@@williamcondon7729 iirc the railway line also connects to two colleges - UH-West Oahu in East Kapolei and LCC in Waipahu
It is still getting build up and not even close to being finished.
@@paxundpeace9970 ah yes, America. Where the investment is happening but not as fast as I want it so who cares?
@@paxundpeace9970 I don't get why construction companies there are insanely slow, and yet they get paid millions. And it's not just in Hawaii.
it's definitely a great investment into the future of transportation in Hawaii :) Greetings from europe.
In Montréal, phase one of the REM (light métro) opened last year with five stations at 16.6 km of length. It is already getting about 29 000 riders per day. What a difference in ridership, comparing to phase one of the skyline!
We know. We are currently in the process of writing the script for Montreal REM 😃 Amazing how the project was cost and time effective in comparison with the US transit projects.
@@RailwaysExplained It seems that the whole English speaking world has a problem with severe time and budget overruns on infrastructure. Except Vancouver, so far. It didn't used to be like that. I look forward to the Montreal REM one.
2.1 million people in the city and 4.2 million in the metro area vs 1 million for all of Oahu. The initial projection for the current route was 15,000, later downgraded to 12,600 and then 8-10,000. According to official figures from DTS, actual ridership for the first year was 3,194 per day.
Montreal already has a metro. Completely different story. The REM is a fill-in solution with an already established ridership base.
Vancouver's the same. Though much smaller population than Montreal, when it built the 19km Canada Line to the airport, it was pretty much full from day 1. Over 100k passengers from the start in 2010. It just goes to show you that you have to built lines where people want to go... HART doesn't yet go anywhere. Once you build where people want to go, then you can build to areas to encourage TOD... like the Millennium Line did, which at first had low ridership but has become a spine for North Burnaby and given the cities a focus for TOD along a corridor that use to have car dealerships.
It seems that HART is handicapping its future. I have high hopes for it because people just don't yet appreciate it, but it HAS to increase hours soon. It's no good going to the airport if it isn't running when flights are coming in or out!!!
12:13 sure building those +10 Lanes of Roads was not a big issue. Thats just the American Way of transportation
The freeways on Oahu suck so bad; Terrible congestion and they take up so much valuable space.
4:43 The urban core is far to the east from where you show it; in fact the maintenance depot is where you show the urban core.
3000 - 4000 passengers is barely the attendance of a tramway STATION in my home city, not even a line. Let alone an automated metro...
The HART ridership is abysmal, there's no better way to say it.
Though, beginning construction with the least usable part surely didn't help, ontop of the weird operating hours.
It's as if they did everything to make it unsuccessful...
As for the humongous cost, the insularity is an overworked excuse. All rapid transit, train, or light rail infrastructures in America are excessively expensive to build.
New York, Los Angeles, and San Francisco aren't islands in the middle of the Pacific, and yet, they build horribly costly transportation infrastructures.
Being an island far away maybe played a role in the excessive cost, but the main issue is that it's built in America, where a surface tramway line costs as much as a deep bored automated subway line in European G7 countries...
How could Ansaldo produce a train with such problematic wheel flanges? They've equipped other cities, what happened here?
The excessive cost is because the US doesn't have enough ongoing transit build-out, so there are no standing bodies of knowledge about how to build, or buy, or let alone manage transit projects, so everyone is constantly costing out a build-up of an army of temps who have to be trained on newly purchased tools, purchased by people who have no idea if the quoted price is in line with their last 2 equivalent projects, and managed by people who have more ambitions in the political sphere than giving a hoot about lowering profitability by holding suppliers to engineering standards. Adding city infill projects to this just multiplies the costs of everything, bc instead of clearcutting stands of trees to make way for all of your heavy equipment, you have to delicately dance around building skyscraper foundations and city utilities with your army of temps with their makeshift equipment.
Contrast that to the asphalt highway industrial complex. You can point to dozens of degree-granting institutions that can set you up for life by placing you in the standing army of suppliers to that beast, and that's without even mentioning the entire other standing army of suppliers for vehicles that require asphalt roadways.
@@wyw876 There are many other reasons for the ballooning costs.
They all compound each other to inflate costs to unbelievably high levels.
This was explained quite well by the Transit Cost Project.
But it seems they never learn from their mistakes and they keep repeating them over and over.
So the cost increases, and future projects include these cost increases, which then is increased again, and on and on...
The fact that there's few qualified and experienced workers in this field only is a small part of the problem.
The ones that have experience don't use it to improve future projects, it's like they redo the same mistakes every single time like a broken record.
Among the many reasons, there's the excessive number of workers on certain tasks, the excessive recourse to overtime, the excessive use or selection of custom products, sizes, technologies, etc. The excessive alterations of plans past the design stage, the excessive use of consultants and micro-management by people who should rather use a hands-off approach, and many other reasons.
All these have an impact on cost, even if it seems limited when taken independently.
But all of them together can increase the cost of a project by ten folds.
Excessive manning of certain teams multiplied by overdesigning and-or oversizing certain parts quickly drive the cost up. Add to that the many other reasons and you obtain some of the worst overpriced projects on the planet.
For example : 1.5 time too many workers on average per task, plus 1.5 time overdesigning stations which are 1.8 time larger in footprint that they need to be and you get a project that's already more than 4 times the normal cost...
It seems like no one wants to do anything to correct that. As if many of those involved actually support this overspending and rather continue this way instead of conducting properly efficient infrastructure projects.
Honolulu really needs this but it would be better to have extended into Waikiki. H1 is insane and can't be expanded, especially through the city center - and buses from the airport take at least 45 minutes in each direction with at least forty possible bus stops.
Getting the extension to Ala Moana would be a huge benefit as that's a major transit hub. Not sure how they'd get into Waikiki from there, even on elevated track.
They should have started the line from the other end, from downtown to the airport... 🙄
They needed space for a depot.. had to start from where they did.
@@SeanSoraghanone thing most people kinda forget about in transit planning
@@SeanSoraghan the rail yard/operations center is six miles east of where they started in Kapolei
I ride the rail when I’m missing Disneyland… lol. When phase 2 opens in 2025, they say it’ll operate from 4AM to 12 Midnight…
Of course it's not ideal that it will take so long to extend it to the east, so that more people can use it.
But it's amazing that they finally got an automated light metro with platform doors in the US!
A transit system from 8am? To 7pm? What 🤣
That's any US transit project for you lol
these are interim hours
A american city which finally understands that alternative modes of transportation fix traffic and not more lanes
There are other American cities investing in new transit lines. Seattle, Los Angeles, and Washington to name a few.
What a comment. Come visit New York sometime. Its been here longer than you have.
@ Bruh
@@guinessbeer youre right
@@stevens1041The MTA runs an impressive system considering its size but it could be much better. Better frequency, better safety, and hasn’t really expanded by much
Why invest in super expensive, fully automated trains if you are just going to park them for 13 hours every day? That makes absolutely no sense.
Also, I'd like to see an episode about the Alaska railroad someday.
4000 people is a very low ridership, in my countryside hometown there is a bus line that has more passengers than there. I think it's just a matter of time for people to get used to use transit, also as the new phases open to service there will be more people.
Hours of operation are ridiculous.
People cannot go out to dinner, or even work late.
7PM is a stupid stop time.
Minimally, hours must be 7AM - 11PM.
it opens at 5:00 AM so I dont understand how pushing it to 7:00 AM would be good
@@ElseAndrecool The article said hours of operation were from 8am to 7pm.
Isn't that correct?
@@craigkdillon its partly correct, it opens at 8 on Weekends and Holidays
these are interim hours!
Is there a plan to extend the working hours beyond 19:00? The local mass transit I use (not in the US) ends service around 23:30 for the last train, and I often find it to be too early. Surprised that a tourist hub like Hawaii would end service so early.
They Main Issue for high cost of living is not only the island location but the Jones Act.
Making it extremly expensive to chip any goods from the Mainland US to Hawaii or Alaska by Boat.
Because ships have to be american build american owned and american crewed.
But the US has barely any shipbuilders left not have they enough crew.
The current fleet is ageing fast and is not getting replaced. Fright rates are insane. They are flying cows to California to slaughter because it would be cheaper then by boat.
Maybe Hawaii should have more autonomy to get around that rule. I'm not sure what the best answer is. But its true, prices in Hawaii are intense.
Take a look at former mayor Fasi's rail proposal for Honolulu in the 80-90s. It was way better
The remoteness of the island is no excuse for price increases. Every bidder should know basic geography before bidding.
The part of the video where the project cost breakdown is done is very superficial and simplistic. For example, the claim that shipping to Hawaii by sea is prohibitively expensive is false - the Jones Act makes shipping anything by ship between "domestic" US territories incredibly expensive, not the distance itself, etc.
Time to abolish the Jones Act then
I used it back in August and got to say it didn’t really seem to go anywhere when I used it. Hopefully they get phase 2 done and also I don’t see why an automated system doesn’t run 24 seven.
Great progress! I hope plans are being conceptualized for the new Kailua line to the Northside. The tunnel will be spendy.
It's ridiculous how much this light metro is costing. In Montreal the province of Quebec is building a 67 mile long light metro for about $7 bln CDN. There is no excuse that a simple light metro less than 20 miles long would cost as much as Boston's Big Dig!
Why the ultimate build-out stops shy of Waikiki Beach I'll never know except I can guess that the taxi lobby defeated a proposed section to that tourist destination.
And the hours? 8 AM to 7 PM is a guarantee that people won't take the train. Get it running to round the clock like in New York City or at least 5 AM to 1 AM like in Boston and people will take it!
67 kms not miles 🍻
13:52 the hours 8:00 AM HST - 7:00 PM HST are only on Weekends and Holidays, on all other days its 5:00 AM HST - 7:00 PM HST
I know 7:00 PM HST is rather early but its only the first segment
Informative and well done video 😉
Despite the many problems with this system as it stands today, the fact is, it has really good bones and potential. They just need to realise it. Get phases 2 and 3 built. Extend operating hours and frequency, and consider expanding further east. It could end up being one of the best systems in the U.S. if they just finish the darn thing.
Need to extend this to Ko Olina resorts and on to, at least, Nanakuli via the old (abandoned?) rail line. H1 is a nightmare “parking lot” there!
You guys should start to section the video to allow viewers to jump to specific parts for rewatching 🤘🏻🤘🏻
please do a video on Sydney Metro!
Fascinating topic
Thanks!
Why is the train only planned to go as far as Ala Moana, and not all the way to Waikiki? It’s such a huge center of employment and tourism, it seems like an obvious place for the eastern terminus of the line.
Is it worth it? Yes.
Operation time should be increased from 7am morning time to 5AM morning time and 7pm in the evening to 2:30 AM midnight as well for best recouping of construction costs. After this service time implementation, 24 Hours service on all days,including sunday is expected. On demand train service should be experimented, where projected demand and actual transportation demands are analysed by using software systems and then the train is operated accordingly. For such a high cost, mega project, service hours must be, 24 Hours, all days every week. Service intervals should have replacement trains running.
The usual complaints posted here...but the point is that this is just the first phase of what will be in use far into the future, with extensions gradually being added.
4000 passengers ? In Germany they would give for this a Busline every 20 minutes…
Metrobus line 5 in Hamburg, Germany have 50.000 passengers daily
2nd and 3rd phase should be postponed to later dates when inflation and cost of construction reduces. Highway and roadway tolls in the metro area should be increased by 25% to 30% or even higher as well of current costs, and air tickets of the airports should also have a share of the metro construction costs added as city development tax, for meeting the costs of the 1st phase of this metro.
They should have started the rail from Makaha all the way to Koko Head area.
it took so many years for a tiny lines? This is what puzzled me about the US, any civic focus projects that can't goes anywhere
Imagine the fast train from Jakarta to Bandung Indonesia 150km At a speed of 350km/h. Cheaper than this
They need streetcars in downtown.
this has the potential to be better than a streetcar because a streetcar is always going to be limited by traffic
@@dulljumbo4321no. Give it dedicated lanes and priority
@@E11or and then it gets stuck at intersections, or has problems because of accidents or blockages. why would you favour a streetcar anyhow?
@@E11or if the system would be as great as the at-grade streetcars in Hiroshima, that would be great, but remember that this is in the US, drivers are too entitled to wait at crossings.
Grade separation is still the best way to build railway lines.
@@ianhomerpura8937It always comes down to the US being a country not used to decent and frequent public transport. The whole world has streetcars/trams and only in the US and Canada they suck. How come? They don’t have dedicated lanes and they don’t have priority at crossings over there. Try to change it and they only see objections and problems instead of possibilities and solutions which work fine in the rest of the world. The US has to be like this because they feel superior, so the rest of the world cannot have a better solution than they can come up with. So they keep muddling on with public transport.
What I don't understand is this part: "Initially estimated at 5.2 billion dollars, the project's budget has since ballooned to over 12.4 billion dollars. One major reason behind the skyrocketing costs is Hawaii's geographical isolation." So... they didn't know the city's location until after construction started? Or did they just find out that the location makes things more expensive? I don't get why they didn't factor in the higher costs posed by the logistical challenges from the beginning.
Much worse than that.
2/19/2006 28 miles $2.5 billion
3/1/2007 20 miles $3.6 billion
12/19/2012 20 miles, 21 stations, complete 1/31/2020 $5.12 billion
11/9/2021 20 miles, 21 stations, complete 2031 $12.45 billion
6/3/2022 18.9 miles, 19 stations complete 2031, $9.933 billion (20 miles, 21 stations $11.3 billion, last $1.367 billion not funded)
Please start using 0's instead of O's when displaying dates, thanks
Doesn’t make a difference
It is just a request, I noticed it straight away and it bothered me to the point I stopped watching, to the people that don't notice, great, to the people that do notice like myself, it is a hard watch, 0 is correct where numbers are being used, O is correct when a word or letter is being used. My written English isn't always perfect but I am not publishing content.
Autism incarnate
@@TalwinderDhillonTravels I actually tried watching it again and noticed every single number that had a 0 had O instead
likewise the hawaiian kahakō like ā is misspelled in this video, incorrectly rendered as ä with an umlaut
How many public restrooms are at each station?
theres one restroom at each but theyre locked by default to prevent vandalism
What happened to that federal investigation on where the money went? Remember they couldn’t audit because of the “Covid emergency”
I still dont understand why one more station wasn’t built at Ka Makana Ali’i; now those trying to get to this mall in Kapolei have to get off at the Kroc Center and then walk/bus/Uber to the mall; just plain dumb.
If it does not go to Ala Moana Center, I have no reason to ride it.
55mph/80km/h sounds very slow for a modern train
Why are the opening hours only from 8 a.m. to 7 p.m.? It doesn’t make any sense! No wonder the target numbers aren’t being reached. Doesn’t make much sense.
it only opens at 8:00 AM HST on Weekends and Holidays, all other days it opens at 5:00 AM HST
because there are interim hours
2:00 Why was it implemented if 54.5% of voters were against the excise tax? Is this not a disregard for the vote?
They did not vote. Therefore, their opinions do not matter.
Two separate decisions. The excise tax surcharge was approved by the legislature in 2005 and they started collecting it in 2007. The vote to build rail was in 2008, and was narrowly approved after pro-rail forces massively outspent opponents.
“The City and County of Honolulu began collecting revenues from the 0.5% general excise tax surcharge in 2007.” hawaiibusiness 11/9/2021
“Oahu residents voted to approve the City Charter amendment supporting the 20-mile elevated steel-rail transit system from Kapolei to Ala Moana, the single-largest public works project in state history. The measure passed with 52.6 percent of voters approving, 47.4 percent opposing.” Star Bulletin 11/5/2008
“The anti-rail campaign was ultimately outspent by the City and various rail proponents by a ratio of 100 to 1.” Mineta Transportation Institute - REVISITING FACTORS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUCCESS OF BALLOT INITIATIVES WITH A SUBSTANTIAL RAIL TRANSIT COMPONENT 6/11
Hi! Why are you using others' footage uncredited in this?
Is Hawaii an independent country?🤔🤔
4:43 the urban core is nowhere near to what you Show in the video. It's MUCH further east
It's worthless, unless you were in on the money laundering scheme, in which case you literally robbed the public coffers for this worthless monstrosity.
It’s sad to see Hawaii being invaded and lost its independence.
It honestly should've started in Kapolei (at least in Kamakana Alii) all the way to Ala Moana or Waikiki. The people behind this project are nuts!
😂 jokes on everyone who lives on Oahu YOU GOT RIPPED OFF !!!!
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You used my videos without asking for permission... 🤨
womp womp
@@David808YT simping for“Eowa?”
This railway is a joke! It doesn't go far enough and ridership is very low.
Wait, 12 billions $, 5000 people a day... we could buy each of them a Rolls Royce with chauffeur and 20 years of fuel and service.
That’s the cost of whole project not the phase 1 section that transports 5000 people per day
The first year averaged 3,194 riders per day according to official figures from DTS.
wow, not a great choice to have elevated rale, super slow, super small, compared to alot of other places in the world but at least it's a start, they've needed this for years and years. That dude in the 90s was a moron to abandon it.
there are hawaiian burial mounds underground, it had to be elevated, and at-grade is rarely a good choice
Why billion dollar when Indonesian can do million usd
Mana ada tod
Because they need to buy up all the land and land in Hawaï is a lot more expensive than in Indonesia (and also the Indonesian government is more authoritarian and doesn't give a f*ck about people living where the railroad needs to be build).
Also Hawaï probably has better safety standards = more expensive construction, and elevated track is also relatively expensive.
@@googleslave Well, at least we built it in our own with our home made LRT Trainset from Madiun and we've built it longer in one go compared to the HART Skyline.
@@keizervanenerc5180 "Authoritarian"?! To save money, the LRT was built above the Kuningan Avenue and the Inner City Toll Road. On the outskirts, they built it beside the toll road as well.
Cost of labor in US is way higher. Also anything the government takes on will cost 10x more than privatized alternatives
722 million buck per mile! And hardly anyone uses it.
yet!
It's a flop
Not really a flop, we won’t know until the full line is built that will cover the more populated areas. Plus after new development at the stations could drive up ridership.
very bad.
Why though?
@@ianhomerpura8937 because this is a light metro - for him such a budget is a lot. maybe there are such prices in the USA, but even the underground subway is cheaper here. plus there are few stations. small coverage. in the USA, public transport is very backward, it is clear that this is the policy of the government, but it was necessary to build transport a long time ago. such a small project - there is nothing even to discuss here - you just need to build.
Please invest a few dollars into a professionell native speaker voice over, these videos are really hard to listen to.
No, don't, please.
No, he is the heart of the show. I stopped watching the channel entirely when they temporarily had a professional narrator.
I guess this comes from an American who believes that the people in the UK aren't English native speakers
His voice is part of the. charm
Narrator is quite easy to understand, it certainly doesn't need a change. And well, can of course be biased, however hearing english being spoken without american or british accent is nice.
oh wahoo. loauhu lol