The whole problem with the Lisandra adventure mostly isn't the Lis fight in my opinion. It's how rng the adventure feels as a whole. Some decks just straight up can't deal with the, overall, strong encounters plus a nuts power that could neuter your entire build depending on deck. This is exacerbated even more early in the adventure. I could get a decent starting combo, but get utterly fucked by Omen Hawk with double stats and fearsome. In other adventures this doesn't tend to be as bad because you get more access to non-combat encounters and more chances to make your deck great or chances to find an alternative way to win or survive till you get to what you want to do. Lis adventure doesn't give you enough of a chance to do that in my opinion, and it makes the, in my experience, constant lows feel really low and the highs not that high because it feels like a damn rng slog just to get rattled by turn 3 Buried in Ice. The Lisandra adventure for me as a Path only player has made me single handedly not want to play LoR at all.
Yep, exactly this. You can still have a chance to win runs with any champ in asol or under without it being straight up an impossible wall. Its even worse if you consider that not all decks are made the same. Some deck need a build-up, and most of the time playing for the long game is not a good idea as the opp will just kill you before you can have any of your combos.
The Lis fight is insane as well in my opinion, i can have a very decent deck even one with good matchup against Lissandra but when the fight starts some mildly bad draws in the first 2 turns make it impossible to catchup to her insane power output and control tools. I finished the 5 wins against her but i also have no desire to play PoC ever again.
the whole debate about "limiting cards a player can play" is kinda flawed, since a power like that really matches the flavor of Freljord, Lissandra's region. if such a restriction was put on a non-freljord adventure, then it would be problematic (the only exception i can think of is limiting the amount of spells the player can cast in a Demacia adventure)
Also it is just +3 cost, it does not just end your turn. There are tons of ways to either play around it or ignore it, depending on your deck. For me some of the terrifiying powers felt way worse.
@@nikespen768 Still sucks a lot for combo decks making champs like Janna really hard to play especially losing the ability to get level up point unless you reduce the cost of a card by 4 But yeah most the time I reached Liss it wasn't a problem
No? Freljord does not disrupt spells in any way? Samira literally cannot survive in this adventure, so can't varus, lee sin, nami. Like this just fully shuts down anything combo related and it is pure anti fun
Being broken in PoC is not a problem, as the game is not a traditional roguelike in the sense, that it focuses much more on meta progression than on progression within a run and, rather than getting more stuff for just playing, in PoC there's a much greater emphasis on winning runs. The rewards you get after losing aren't very spectacular. Quite the opposite.
Pyke in Path of Champions will always be a reason why I'll want something like an epic relic that allows you to choose any support champion you want, even if it had a downside like -8 rerolls or something.
what a coincidence! i was playing PoC Pyke yesterday and i remember how awful he felt!! i hated him lmao, i missed so many lurks and when i played him at turn 7 or 8 he was only at 6 power 😭😭😭 more than once edit: i was at 2 stars and lvl 10
Best games I've had with Pyke we're playing decks where I got a lot of items for Snapjaw/the spell that gives you one and ways to reduce it's cost (card you draw cost one less this turn/created card cost one less) and try and go infinite with it, I was able to beat Asol multiple times by focusing more on the little fish than himself since most the time he will get oneshotted
Evolution is an amazing power for almost every unit base tpoc deck, i love it specially with yuumi because at match start she summons 2 units that have at least 2 keywords and with no relics it can go up to 3 power and with specific relics can go up to 9 power.
Pyke with the item is quite good making him level if there 5 units for sure Making it way more realiable that any other items, and with the striking item it's almost impossible to not level
Just want to say double attack on a unit like pyke might be better at times without overwhelm. AI tends to ignore units with overwhelm unless they can trade so you wont get his board clears
Hey snnuy u might not see this, but two ideas and a thanks…do some tier lists for TPoC(all powers, relics, nodes) also do a mono region challenge, start with shurima and try to win an adventure with only that region(either PvP or PVE) also thank u for being one of my inspirations to start streaming
22:05 - Wait, did Grapp quit LoR for good, then? You kinda make it sound like that here. He's had many breaks from LoR over his career, mainly when BoxBox's TFT tournament came up, as was the case recently, too. Also, I've never heard him say specifically that he's quitting LoR, so think he'll return to it eventually.
With the item you had on pyke, if your prayers were answered and you drew him turn 1 he'd be discarded since he's 3 cost and fleeting. Also dont think the -2 cost would apply to his spell. Edit: wrote that up just a minute too early 😂
Like watching you miss lurk over and over makes me cry and I understand that’s lurk but trying Pyke in the harder challenges it would be a lot more fun for lurk to be a lot harder to miss again
@@landenosereni1693 Yeah, it doesnt help that skipping rewards are not possible so you had to fill your deck with junk cards that made it even harder to hit lurk
Tbh when Poc was back in day. I mained Pyke and never have I ever won a campaign with Reksai. Not a single time. Nonproblems with something stupid like Braum or Sejuani.
omg the reksai pisses me of. im lvl 24 with pyke and has seen reksai ONCE, and not only that i hyper rolled every highcost card and when i could attack i got a spell on top so no lurk. i was hyped af but got trolled by the game dying to the SECOND FUCKING ENEMY.
In the last fight you already broke the game by being able to put deathless on snapjaw, if you had board space it could have been like 7 trifarian strikes.
15:08 - then you have not played nearly enough wild frost. If your broken runs don’t just obliterate everything so long as you aren’t stupid, what are you even doing?
the real problem with your PoC videos is your lack of concentration. Since there is no real incentive to win (no LP) and you concentrating on chat (which is a good thing?), you're making obvious misplays. The vids are still very fun to watch, don't get me wrong, but man. It hurts my brain. xD
This format is just a coin toss with fancy colors and animations, very little skill required. If the dumb AI high rolls you are just dead at turn 2 or 3, unless you happened to have high rolled even more broken cards. The more you grind the higher your baseline of broken shit so that eventually you can win anything. It's not a challenge, just a matter of how long you roll the dice until you get your "win". It's fun to see crazy combos in action, I give it that, but it's far away from what pvp offers :/
The Bone Skewer can be fixed the same as they fixed the Evelynn spell they just need to add "if Pyke started in your deck I have lurk"
Honestly that sounds like a great solution!
4:57 99% player stop before they hit reksai
Trifarian might?
Nah, it's trifarian certain
...get it?
Trifarian sure.
triferian possibly
Probably Trifarian?
The whole problem with the Lisandra adventure mostly isn't the Lis fight in my opinion. It's how rng the adventure feels as a whole.
Some decks just straight up can't deal with the, overall, strong encounters plus a nuts power that could neuter your entire build depending on deck. This is exacerbated even more early in the adventure. I could get a decent starting combo, but get utterly fucked by Omen Hawk with double stats and fearsome.
In other adventures this doesn't tend to be as bad because you get more access to non-combat encounters and more chances to make your deck great or chances to find an alternative way to win or survive till you get to what you want to do. Lis adventure doesn't give you enough of a chance to do that in my opinion, and it makes the, in my experience, constant lows feel really low and the highs not that high because it feels like a damn rng slog just to get rattled by turn 3 Buried in Ice.
The Lisandra adventure for me as a Path only player has made me single handedly not want to play LoR at all.
Yep, exactly this. You can still have a chance to win runs with any champ in asol or under without it being straight up an impossible wall.
Its even worse if you consider that not all decks are made the same. Some deck need a build-up, and most of the time playing for the long game is not a good idea as the opp will just kill you before you can have any of your combos.
The Lis fight is insane as well in my opinion, i can have a very decent deck even one with good matchup against Lissandra but when the fight starts some mildly bad draws in the first 2 turns make it impossible to catchup to her insane power output and control tools. I finished the 5 wins against her but i also have no desire to play PoC ever again.
the whole debate about "limiting cards a player can play" is kinda flawed, since a power like that really matches the flavor of Freljord, Lissandra's region. if such a restriction was put on a non-freljord adventure, then it would be problematic (the only exception i can think of is limiting the amount of spells the player can cast in a Demacia adventure)
Also it is just +3 cost, it does not just end your turn. There are tons of ways to either play around it or ignore it, depending on your deck. For me some of the terrifiying powers felt way worse.
@@nikespen768 Still sucks a lot for combo decks making champs like Janna really hard to play especially losing the ability to get level up point unless you reduce the cost of a card by 4
But yeah most the time I reached Liss it wasn't a problem
How does it match Freljord? It doesn't. Freljord doesn't have that kind of disruption.
No? Freljord does not disrupt spells in any way? Samira literally cannot survive in this adventure, so can't varus, lee sin, nami. Like this just fully shuts down anything combo related and it is pure anti fun
@@yvaskhmiryou "freeze" in the Freljord. It does feel like Lissandra favors some strats and kills others though.
Being broken in PoC is not a problem, as the game is not a traditional roguelike in the sense, that it focuses much more on meta progression than on progression within a run and, rather than getting more stuff for just playing, in PoC there's a much greater emphasis on winning runs. The rewards you get after losing aren't very spectacular. Quite the opposite.
Pyke in Path of Champions will always be a reason why I'll want something like an epic relic that allows you to choose any support champion you want, even if it had a downside like -8 rerolls or something.
I really think bone skewer should have like "If you have a lurker in your deck, hand, or in play, I have lurk"
what a coincidence! i was playing PoC Pyke yesterday and i remember how awful he felt!! i hated him lmao, i missed so many lurks and when i played him at turn 7 or 8 he was only at 6 power 😭😭😭 more than once
edit: i was at 2 stars and lvl 10
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Best games I've had with Pyke we're playing decks where I got a lot of items for Snapjaw/the spell that gives you one and ways to reduce it's cost (card you draw cost one less this turn/created card cost one less) and try and go infinite with it, I was able to beat Asol multiple times by focusing more on the little fish than himself since most the time he will get oneshotted
still don't understand why bone skewer isnt a lurker spell after all these years, and the unnecessary nerf of 5 cost is ridiculous
Yup
Evolution is an amazing power for almost every unit base tpoc deck, i love it specially with yuumi because at match start she summons 2 units that have at least 2 keywords and with no relics it can go up to 3 power and with specific relics can go up to 9 power.
Pyke with the item is quite good making him level if there 5 units for sure
Making it way more realiable that any other items, and with the striking item it's almost impossible to not level
I have only played rek sai with pyke in that mode vs asol once and got screwed over by managem and asol high rolling the entire time
Haha. You know the player is in trouble when he starts talking less.. Hehe.. That match with asol was insane..
Just want to say double attack on a unit like pyke might be better at times without overwhelm. AI tends to ignore units with overwhelm unless they can trade so you wont get his board clears
When this session gonna end !
Hi! How can i buy the nova shards?
Hey snnuy u might not see this, but two ideas and a thanks…do some tier lists for TPoC(all powers, relics, nodes) also do a mono region challenge, start with shurima and try to win an adventure with only that region(either PvP or PVE) also thank u for being one of my inspirations to start streaming
Did we have rotation yet
If they rotate lurk, i hope they rotate rek'sai for kha'zix since they said they'd be doing V2 of certain champions
Three star pyke definitely feels like a must
I use Beast and Echoing (more Pyke copies = more Lurks) + Stalker, really good.
did you switch upload times? or just uploading whenever now?
M I S S ! Shadoka really knows how to add that flair to the videos
22:05 - Wait, did Grapp quit LoR for good, then? You kinda make it sound like that here.
He's had many breaks from LoR over his career, mainly when BoxBox's TFT tournament came up, as was the case recently, too.
Also, I've never heard him say specifically that he's quitting LoR, so think he'll return to it eventually.
YES FINALLY MY FAVOURITE CHAMPION !!!
14:00 Killing spree!
With the item you had on pyke, if your prayers were answered and you drew him turn 1 he'd be discarded since he's 3 cost and fleeting. Also dont think the -2 cost would apply to his spell.
Edit: wrote that up just a minute too early 😂
I miss back in the day before the path changes where all pykes units came with lurk
Like watching you miss lurk over and over makes me cry and I understand that’s lurk but trying Pyke in the harder challenges it would be a lot more fun for lurk to be a lot harder to miss again
@@landenosereni1693 Yeah, it doesnt help that skipping rewards are not possible so you had to fill your deck with junk cards that made it even harder to hit lurk
his screams at asols battle XDDD
Tbh when Poc was back in day. I mained Pyke and never have I ever won a campaign with Reksai. Not a single time. Nonproblems with something stupid like Braum or Sejuani.
I have played reksai on neeko in poc
She leveled
just as I was playing a Pyke run myself XD
I got multiple rek sai on my run I can level up her on my first strike
0:34 the orb is really good on pike (the thing that gives epic items to cards on sumon)
omg the reksai pisses me of.
im lvl 24 with pyke and has seen reksai ONCE, and not only that i hyper rolled every highcost card and when i could attack i got a spell on top so no lurk.
i was hyped af but got trolled by the game dying to the SECOND FUCKING ENEMY.
Me who still went semi-infinite on liss with a 7 mana kat
Stopped by blade's edge(s)?
what a rollercoaster lmao
Just finish the veigar video... And i got this 😮 thank youuuuu
Pyke star power make you less consistent to lurk him
Yuumi when?
Have my popcorn ready :D
In the last fight you already broke the game by being able to put deathless on snapjaw, if you had board space it could have been like 7 trifarian strikes.
I'm having a time forcing myself to play PoC at all with zero information on the future of the format.
yuumi vs lissandra
Do Gwen next pls.
15:08 - then you have not played nearly enough wild frost. If your broken runs don’t just obliterate everything so long as you aren’t stupid, what are you even doing?
Liss is just unfun even for most vets
The pyke is a lie! 😅
The reason ssnuy got more view doing PoC because the other creator just leave the game.
Pyke sucks at 0 stars.
Tbh almost every champ does
the real problem with your PoC videos is your lack of concentration. Since there is no real incentive to win (no LP) and you concentrating on chat (which is a good thing?), you're making obvious misplays.
The vids are still very fun to watch, don't get me wrong, but man. It hurts my brain. xD
This format is just a coin toss with fancy colors and animations, very little skill required. If the dumb AI high rolls you are just dead at turn 2 or 3, unless you happened to have high rolled even more broken cards. The more you grind the higher your baseline of broken shit so that eventually you can win anything. It's not a challenge, just a matter of how long you roll the dice until you get your "win". It's fun to see crazy combos in action, I give it that, but it's far away from what pvp offers :/
This game i s dead?