Canadian law is actually very similar to Irish law when it comes to weapon, there's just more firearms around here (legally owned or not) because of our neighbor.
American here, and while i can and do carry other self defense items, they can't be taken everywhere. Planes, for instance, or certain cities/states. A tool which is not specific to that use can be. That makes it an even better weapon, because it's more liked to be carried.
I agree almost entirely. The martial arts Top Trumps analogy isn't just for weapons, it will happen in empty hand ("if you did that I'd just kick you in the nuts" etc). It's just silly. There is no "one size fits all" counter for any technique. One could say to a footballer "well if I was in goal and the striker kicked the ball I would just save it" - easier said than done. Agree also with your comments on sparring and a "live opponent". However I would add that even sparring does not prepare someone for a terrifying self defence encounter, because sparring is still a friendly environment. Being able to a) control adrenaline and fear and b) understand how best to utilise adrenaline - it's not a bad thing if you can harness it... is also important
That's true but nothing can prepare you fully for a self defense encounter. If you are being mugged it's likely you will not see your attacker that's not something you can prepare for. But sparring with minimal protection and the highest level of contact we can get away with will allow us to train that to the best of our ability as well as deepen our understanding of our art.
Good one Nathan. Irish Stick Fighting is an art form that should be developed and maintained. Its part of our culture and like hurling, has been around for a very long time. That's a priority. Now can it be applied to a real life situation, sure but its unlikely that a situation arises where you are attached by someone with a stick / mace / long sword / katana or whatever. Yes it may happen, but unlikely, So to me the purpose of this or any other form of "martial art", weapons' based or not, is to prepare you for the possibility of being engaged in a physical altracaton that may or may not involve some form of weapon. You have to be fit, have an idea of what you are doing, and know what it is like to be hit. Once you understand those 3 things, you can now decide whether to de-escalate, engage, or withdraw completely. And I agree--its looks like great fun, especially when you have protective gear on.
Thank you for laying out a nuanced stance, that was an immersive perspective. Also, people are water balloons. Seriously. No matter how bad@$$ one thinks one is, everyone's head is a bone melon. With that in mind, Superman vs. Goku jockeying isn't how anyone serious about fitness, martial arts, cultural preservation, or even performance and entertainment approaches the topic of weapons. I feel like an American had to say that. Y'all know why.
I think that "I would just do this..." might be hindering your own learning process: The second you think or say "I would just do this..." in response to a learning situation, you are probably not listening anymore, you have already decided that your solution is better. In my opinion it doesn't hurt to see what other ways exist to deal with a situation and then decide anew if my way is really the best. Maybe I also dislike this phrase because for me "*I* would just do this" is entirely too close to "*You* should just do this" and "Why *haven't you* just done this...."
I agree with you. Most people don't learn proper breathing and control of their adrenaline and how to connect their techniques, and awful lot of the time because they don't pressure test these scenarios. That being said, if your doing anything martial as a sport, there is nothing wrong with that, but it's not a valid experience when that same person argues the trump argument.
Even sport can be better than nothing but obviously rules can create some unrealistic scenarios it all depends on your end goal but as you say it can be very difficult to know what works when the adrenaline hits.
@@bigc5630 yeah I have had a number of people ask recently unfortunately there are none. But I am more than happy to come up for a workshop if there is a demand.
@@Galahad993depends where you live guns are like Americas weird sexual fantasies but in Europe it's rare to have one so a bow is a better home defense weapons and yes bows are more lethal
Thanks for the discussion. First, hearing you speak makes me very glad that I live in the United States and in a state and city that is friendly to self-defense. We are safe here, and I believe that we are safer because we are well-armed. People are less likely to instigate violence when the other person may pull a gun and shoot in return. When we talk about self-defense, we need to recognize that all kinds of factors can influence an outcome. The Bible says something to the effect of "the race is not always to the swift and the battle is not always to the warrior." In some self-defense scenarios, a person can do everything right and still lose, and another person can do everything wrong and still win. Occasionally, we see boxing or mixed martial arts fights where one competitor is clearly better than the other but the lesser fighter wins with a blow that seems to land in just the right spot as if by chance or luck. In light of this reality, much of self-defense needs to focus on probability. All other things being equal, the fighter who can throw punches for thirty seconds without stopping is more likely to win over the fighter who can throw punches for only twenty-five seconds without stopping. The fighter who can throw his punch a quarter second faster than the opponent can is more likely to land more punches and win the fight. On the other hand, the fighter who can throw his punches with twenty percent more force is more likely to win over his opponent. How these factors of speed, power, and endurance combine in a real self-defense situation is an interesting topic. Usually, we will never see a statistically-controlled study that would give us scientific answers to all of these questions. Instead, we have to make our most educated "guesses" about what will happen. However, most of us understand how certain factors are likely to influence the probabilities. Someone who has practiced throwing kicks even without resistance is more likely to throw an effective kick in a self-defense situation than the person who has never tried to throw a kick in his or her life. This person who has trained without resistance is less likely to use a kick effectively than the person who has trained both in proper form and has done sparring to understand how kicks actually unfold in a combat scenario. I realize some people will insist that those who train certain techniques without sparring and resistance will be less effective than those who don't train at all. Everyone is welcome to have an opinion on those kinds of topics. Personally, I think that the training that we do makes us more likely to succeed than the training that we refuse to do. If being pushed into sparring is going to cause someone to abandon training entirely, I believe that person is less likely to be effective if forced to act in self-defense. Therefore, I applaud anything that anyone does that could be applicable. Even if someone is just stretching every day for general fitness, I believe that person is increasing his or her chance of surviving a self-defense situation. For some reason, our society seems more and more full of people who want to insist that anyone who doesn't do exactly what they do is doing everything wrong. I can't tell whether these fools really believe that nothing but their own routine is effective or whether they just think that rudely and bombastically insisting that everyone else is wrong makes them look good. In either case, I think they are fools. Unfortunately, they seem to be all over the internet. I see some value to considering "I would just" scenarios as a mental exercise. I've never trained in nunchucks. I'm sure that they are very effective weapons in some ways. Maybe they are weak in other ways. If someone wanted to have nunchucks as a primary self-defense weapon in the home, I think that person should consider the scenario of "I would just pick up a broom and jab the bristles at the chain in order to break up the movement." Maybe there's a very simple counter to using a broom to break up the movement, or maybe using a broom, a stick, or whatever to foul the chain and stop the movement is an effective way to negate nunchucks as a weapon. Again, the point of the "I would just" consideration is not to denigrate any particular weapon but to engage in the mental exercise of considering scenarios. The problem online is that most people use an "I would just" answer to denigrate rather than to think and understand. My own health has failed, so I'll never really become good at any of these arts. I never did any martial arts when I was young, and I regret that loss. I wish I could have done collar-and-elbow wrestling as a young man because that style looks fun. Maybe the principles of the training would be practical in a real self-defense scenario. I can't see how learning angles and forces and resistance couldn't have at least some value. I wish I could have learned stick fighting of various kinds. I walk with a cane for balance. I also carry a firearm most of the time. I can see where I might be in a situation where someone would attack me too quickly for me to draw a gun. Knowing how to defend myself with the cane long enough to draw my gun would be useful.
Learning how to use any weapon is surely better than not learning how to use it.
"Best way to avoid punch is not be there." - Mr Miyagi.
Canadian law is actually very similar to Irish law when it comes to weapon, there's just more firearms around here (legally owned or not) because of our neighbor.
I know you guys have the same weird ninja weapon bans that we do too because ninjas are a major threat haha.
You're welcome.
Cheers,
Your neighbor.
American here, and while i can and do carry other self defense items, they can't be taken everywhere. Planes, for instance, or certain cities/states. A tool which is not specific to that use can be. That makes it an even better weapon, because it's more liked to be carried.
Well said
I agree almost entirely. The martial arts Top Trumps analogy isn't just for weapons, it will happen in empty hand ("if you did that I'd just kick you in the nuts" etc). It's just silly. There is no "one size fits all" counter for any technique. One could say to a footballer "well if I was in goal and the striker kicked the ball I would just save it" - easier said than done.
Agree also with your comments on sparring and a "live opponent". However I would add that even sparring does not prepare someone for a terrifying self defence encounter, because sparring is still a friendly environment. Being able to a) control adrenaline and fear and b) understand how best to utilise adrenaline - it's not a bad thing if you can harness it... is also important
That's true but nothing can prepare you fully for a self defense encounter. If you are being mugged it's likely you will not see your attacker that's not something you can prepare for. But sparring with minimal protection and the highest level of contact we can get away with will allow us to train that to the best of our ability as well as deepen our understanding of our art.
Thank you . Your great .keep this art alive.
You are far too kind thank you.
Good one Nathan. Irish Stick Fighting is an art form that should be developed and maintained. Its part of our culture and like hurling, has been around for a very long time. That's a priority. Now can it be applied to a real life situation, sure but its unlikely that a situation arises where you are attached by someone with a stick / mace / long sword / katana or whatever. Yes it may happen, but unlikely, So to me the purpose of this or any other form of "martial art", weapons' based or not, is to prepare you for the possibility of being engaged in a physical altracaton that may or may not involve some form of weapon. You have to be fit, have an idea of what you are doing, and know what it is like to be hit. Once you understand those 3 things, you can now decide whether to de-escalate, engage, or withdraw completely. And I agree--its looks like great fun, especially when you have protective gear on.
Thank you for laying out a nuanced stance, that was an immersive perspective.
Also, people are water balloons. Seriously. No matter how bad@$$ one thinks one is, everyone's head is a bone melon. With that in mind, Superman vs. Goku jockeying isn't how anyone serious about fitness, martial arts, cultural preservation, or even performance and entertainment approaches the topic of weapons. I feel like an American had to say that. Y'all know why.
Very true there is a lot of strange logical fallacies people jump to with weapons and this topic in general.
👏👏👏very good video. we are looking forward to visiting you in January. Greetings from Vienna 🙂
I look forward to it mate.
XYZ argument reminds me of that old Bugs Bunny VS Yosimite Sam cartoon. And just as dumb, too! Thanks for the share!!
I think that "I would just do this..." might be hindering your own learning process: The second you think or say "I would just do this..." in response to a learning situation, you are probably not listening anymore, you have already decided that your solution is better. In my opinion it doesn't hurt to see what other ways exist to deal with a situation and then decide anew if my way is really the best. Maybe I also dislike this phrase because for me "*I* would just do this" is entirely too close to "*You* should just do this" and "Why *haven't you* just done this...."
Excellent points Nathan. It is unfortunate that Ireland holds back its people and always has.
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Yes please do make videos about self defense and canes/walking sticks/shillelaghs
I can do that it's a big topic so I can cover some bits for sure.
I agree with you. Most people don't learn proper breathing and control of their adrenaline and how to connect their techniques, and awful lot of the time because they don't pressure test these scenarios. That being said, if your doing anything martial as a sport, there is nothing wrong with that, but it's not a valid experience when that same person argues the trump argument.
Even sport can be better than nothing but obviously rules can create some unrealistic scenarios it all depends on your end goal but as you say it can be very difficult to know what works when the adrenaline hits.
I can carry a stick, can of Linx and a lighter. Boom! Flaming stick. I can finally defeat Nathan the Giant.
Flamethrowers are the true equaliser.
@@ramblingkern "I feel like I have a legitimate reason to have a flamethrower officer".
@@ThereIsOnlyWar40k i was cold
Anyone, know anywhere near Belfast, where I can learn Bateireacht?
GRMMA!
Not bata, but stick different stick fighting styles around Belfast.
@@ThereIsOnlyWar40k Thank you, ah well, was worth a shot!
@@bigc5630 yeah I have had a number of people ask recently unfortunately there are none. But I am more than happy to come up for a workshop if there is a demand.
@@ramblingkern I would definately be interested, if this ever came about, 100%
@@bigc5630 pop me an email I know a few guys up that way who want to have me up so we can try work something out.
Also a bow is arguably more effective than a gun. Or if you cant get anything else get or make a slingshot!
Yeah I have a few bows and a sling bow which is a fun combo of a bow and slingshot great little toy.
They aren’t but go off
@@Galahad993depends where you live guns are like Americas weird sexual fantasies but in Europe it's rare to have one so a bow is a better home defense weapons and yes bows are more lethal
Your weapon laws sound like Australia`s
I believe the UK, Ireland, Australia and maybe New Zealand all borrowed heavily on these laws.
Thanks for the discussion.
First, hearing you speak makes me very glad that I live in the United States and in a state and city that is friendly to self-defense. We are safe here, and I believe that we are safer because we are well-armed. People are less likely to instigate violence when the other person may pull a gun and shoot in return.
When we talk about self-defense, we need to recognize that all kinds of factors can influence an outcome. The Bible says something to the effect of "the race is not always to the swift and the battle is not always to the warrior." In some self-defense scenarios, a person can do everything right and still lose, and another person can do everything wrong and still win. Occasionally, we see boxing or mixed martial arts fights where one competitor is clearly better than the other but the lesser fighter wins with a blow that seems to land in just the right spot as if by chance or luck.
In light of this reality, much of self-defense needs to focus on probability. All other things being equal, the fighter who can throw punches for thirty seconds without stopping is more likely to win over the fighter who can throw punches for only twenty-five seconds without stopping. The fighter who can throw his punch a quarter second faster than the opponent can is more likely to land more punches and win the fight. On the other hand, the fighter who can throw his punches with twenty percent more force is more likely to win over his opponent. How these factors of speed, power, and endurance combine in a real self-defense situation is an interesting topic. Usually, we will never see a statistically-controlled study that would give us scientific answers to all of these questions. Instead, we have to make our most educated "guesses" about what will happen.
However, most of us understand how certain factors are likely to influence the probabilities. Someone who has practiced throwing kicks even without resistance is more likely to throw an effective kick in a self-defense situation than the person who has never tried to throw a kick in his or her life. This person who has trained without resistance is less likely to use a kick effectively than the person who has trained both in proper form and has done sparring to understand how kicks actually unfold in a combat scenario. I realize some people will insist that those who train certain techniques without sparring and resistance will be less effective than those who don't train at all. Everyone is welcome to have an opinion on those kinds of topics.
Personally, I think that the training that we do makes us more likely to succeed than the training that we refuse to do. If being pushed into sparring is going to cause someone to abandon training entirely, I believe that person is less likely to be effective if forced to act in self-defense. Therefore, I applaud anything that anyone does that could be applicable. Even if someone is just stretching every day for general fitness, I believe that person is increasing his or her chance of surviving a self-defense situation.
For some reason, our society seems more and more full of people who want to insist that anyone who doesn't do exactly what they do is doing everything wrong. I can't tell whether these fools really believe that nothing but their own routine is effective or whether they just think that rudely and bombastically insisting that everyone else is wrong makes them look good. In either case, I think they are fools. Unfortunately, they seem to be all over the internet.
I see some value to considering "I would just" scenarios as a mental exercise. I've never trained in nunchucks. I'm sure that they are very effective weapons in some ways. Maybe they are weak in other ways. If someone wanted to have nunchucks as a primary self-defense weapon in the home, I think that person should consider the scenario of "I would just pick up a broom and jab the bristles at the chain in order to break up the movement." Maybe there's a very simple counter to using a broom to break up the movement, or maybe using a broom, a stick, or whatever to foul the chain and stop the movement is an effective way to negate nunchucks as a weapon. Again, the point of the "I would just" consideration is not to denigrate any particular weapon but to engage in the mental exercise of considering scenarios. The problem online is that most people use an "I would just" answer to denigrate rather than to think and understand.
My own health has failed, so I'll never really become good at any of these arts. I never did any martial arts when I was young, and I regret that loss. I wish I could have done collar-and-elbow wrestling as a young man because that style looks fun. Maybe the principles of the training would be practical in a real self-defense scenario. I can't see how learning angles and forces and resistance couldn't have at least some value. I wish I could have learned stick fighting of various kinds. I walk with a cane for balance. I also carry a firearm most of the time. I can see where I might be in a situation where someone would attack me too quickly for me to draw a gun. Knowing how to defend myself with the cane long enough to draw my gun would be useful.
No step on snek! 'merica!!
is fior an rud seo
@@ronandepoulpiquet traenáilimid mná freisin
@@ramblingkern is maith go mbeadh a fhios seo. Go raibh maith agat
*Pulls out a book to read from a phone.* LOL!
Guns are good. I like guns. Have lots of 'em. Buy a gun. Thank me later! Let's go Brandon!!