God I love how you get all giddy when you get all those ancestral visions at around 40:00 :3 puts a big smile on my face too when decks like this just work
This was by far the best against the odds deck i've ever seen lmao. I lol'd so hard at your tiny high pitched screams when getting wrecked xD This was awesome.
Interesting deck, indeed. I would love to see you play my Tainted Immortality deck for against the odds though. Comboing Beacon of Immortality with Tainted Remedy for an instant kill, put into an Esper control shell. Mystical Tutor to search for the Beacon at the end of turn is pretty decent most of the time. Here is the list, since you can't really link to them in youtube comments. I might even add a copy of Bontu's Last Reckoning to the sideboard when Hour of Devastation is released, since you can tutor for it with Dimir Machinations. Anyway, here's the list: Manabase: 2x Drowned Catacomb 3x Flooded Strand 2x Ghost Quarter 2x Glacial Fortress 1x Godless Shrine 2x Hallowed Fountain 2x Island 2x Isolated Chapel 2x Plains 2x Shambling Vent 2x Swamp 1x Temple of Silence 1x Watery Grave Enchantments: 2x Detention Sphere 3x Tainted Remedy Instants: 2x Beacon of Immortality 3x Blessed Alliance 2x Condemn 1x Cryptic Command 2x Fatal Push 2x Mana Leak 1x Mystical Teachings 2x Path to Exile 2x Remand 1x Spell Snare 1x Sphinx's Revelation 2x Think Twice Sorceries: 1x Dimir Machinations 3x Inquistion of Kozilek 2x Lingering Souls 1x Painful Truths 2x Supreme Verdict Planeswalkers; 1x Gideon Jura Sideboard: 1x Aetherling 1x Anguished Unmaking 1x Blood Baron of Vizkopa 2x Collective Brutality 1x Damnation 1x Gideon Jura 1x Jace, Architect of Thought 1x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet 1x Negate 1x Relic of Progenitus 2x Rest in Peace 1x Timely Reinforcements 1x Dispel
so i think with the thoughtseizes and the fetches and shocks you probably could have considered death's shadow. like shadow into vision seems pretty deece.
You missed outs a few times. Against Living End you still had "Nexus -> Evoke Shriekmaw, cascade a wrath" to live. Basically if you can cascade you might as well do that instead of scooping, you have so much random crap in your deck who knows what'll happen? :P
my only thought is that it's typically not the right play to kill your opponents bloom, since they crack it and go off, though you're right in this case. It's also worth noting he had to deal 2 to himself too to K. Command
At 2:38 Seth sounds like he is talking while either exhaling some kind of smoke, or perhaps vaping? I mean...Seth looks like a big time hippie with that hair and long beard. What are the odds he's smoking some dank weed while playing moto all day? I'd be willing to be he smokes pot. Hahaha love you Seth!
Nice dude! I know your pain, I thought I would die a smoker, and probably FROM smoking, but I bought a decent vape with a tank a little over a year ago and havent had a cigarette since! I am proud of you Seth, quitting that shit is not easy, even when you first start vaping you till want that cigarette, it has that....i dont know, that BURN. Its hard to describe. Either way I'm glad you are doing something healthier. Lets hope scientists dont find out that something in our vape liquid causes cancer 100x more than cigarettes haha!
"What are the odds of you walking out of here with that jacket???" *throws knife* "Better than average" "Yeah I'll go along with that" /end Crocodile Dundee quote Seth "stepping up my basic land game" SaffronOlive
31:10 you could have dropped Nexus and evoked Shriekmaw hoping to hit a Damnation. It would be a long shot, but conceding in that situation is simply giving up on a nonzero chance to win.
is it possible for you to do annotations at the start for the combo? I watch these videos on autoplay, so I miss the deck tech video explaining whats going on. love these, keep it up
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Well, Thoughtseize targets a player, not an opponent, so there was definitely a legal target! Don't think this is a deck where Thoughtseizing yourself is going to get you places, of course, but might be a relevant line in Reanimator decks?
I've noticed that you can tell a deck is ad nauseum if they play temples, and that a deck is generally living end if they play fast lands. Why is that? ie why aren't those decks playing shocks or conversely more decks playing non-shocks?
Planeswalker999 both decks play fetches and shocks as it's just the most consistent way to build a 3+ color mana base. From there it usually depends on the deck's needs, but fastlands are usually what takes up the slots in most decks as they allow dual colors in the early game w/o the loss of life. Normally a deck can't afford to take the first couple of turns off to play tapped lands unless the effect is very powerful (i.e. A manland) Ad Nauseum is an exception because it spends the first 3-4 turns digging for the win. Hope this helped answer your questions Grammar :/
I know you wanted to use Cruel Ultimatum but the cascade ability you based this on probably kept putting it back to the bottom so you were wildly unlikely to ever get it in your hand without something to tutor for it
As sweet as this deck was, I think it needed more life gain to not die to some of the decks you faced. More Thragtusk could have been used and maybe Kitchen Finks as well.
why doesnt this deck play bring to light ? (i know it cant get nexus) but it gets thragtusk or a wrath or cryptic (or everything else basicly) and if you cast it with a nexus out its the same cmc as shriekmaw or thragtusk and if it gets hit by cascade its basicly ancestral vision (it only gets hit by cruelultimatum and grave titan)
johnnyandthepnuemoni I'm well aware of the lab maniac plan. However it does fold pretty hard against his hand disruption. My question was also directed toward Seth. As it was his decision making that I was curious at. Not how his opponents deck works.
Instead of mainphase Snapcaster for Abrupt Decay in game 2 against Bogles, it's better to let them untap with Spiritdancer so they unload their hand full of enchantments onto it and you can it it with Abrupt Decay afterwards. Generates more card advantage that way, and even if they decide to remove Snapcaster you're still usually getting a 3-for-1 or better.
The biggest problem is that the good cascade cards aren't legal in Modern, the UG Elf (Shardless Agent) is Legacy-only and Bloodbraid Elf is banned, so most of the cascade spells that are legal are pretty weak.
Hey guys, EpicWarfare here (the guy that played the Mono Black Burn deck in the video). I'm here to share with you the list that I have been using since people seem to be interested in it! I'm flattered that people think the deck is cool and would love some opinions on it. tappedout.net/mtg-decks/08-06-17-xmT-mono-black-burn/
22 minutes in during match three why couldnt you just drop the grave titan and potentially stabilize, you didnt have to pain with confluence and it would have provided you with three blockers so even if he had removal you were ok there, at 1 but ok.....am i missing something?
When you try to do something cool, but could easily win the game otherwise, do you ever play suboptimally to give opponent illusion of hope so they don't concede before you get to do cool stuff? \
Serious misplay in match 3 game 3. Instead of Pathing the opponent's creature, he should have blocked with Snapcaster and pathed his own so that he could play Grave Titan the next turn with the mana. That would have bought him enough time to stabilize.
worth considering, for sure. It would be pretty lame to hit that with cascade but only the Grave Titan and Cruel Ultimatum are big enough for that to happen, so it's not as easy to write off for that reason compared to mana leak, negate, etc
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I bet it's future SaffronOlive playing that Mono-Black Burn deck against present SaffronOlive.
this is the funniest thing ive seen all day
nah its the guy that beat him with minotaurs back to shame him once more
GaaradancepartyX what's the minotaur video?
39:14
If one of your poll options isn't relic tribal, we will have to assume you betrayed us
God I love how you get all giddy when you get all those ancestral visions at around 40:00 :3 puts a big smile on my face too when decks like this just work
That mono black burn deck looked sweet! haha
Kinda interested to know what else was in that black burn deck.
That first game makes me Irrationally upset. So what if you have to shock yourself with K-command. It's better then losing the game on the spot.
Anthony Bailey agreed
vampire cutthroat op
"Let's summon Dragonlord Ojutai, that gives me a hexproof blocker."
attacks with it
I love your Against the Odds series. I hope you never stop.
I like how he flickers his hand even in MTGO.
"Lets store up some counters for the harsh Upstate New York winter"
This was by far the best against the odds deck i've ever seen lmao. I lol'd so hard at your tiny high pitched screams when getting wrecked xD This was awesome.
To be Relic Tribal, there are 11 cards in modern with Relic in it's name. Good Luck! Truly Against the Odds for that!
That second match was epic af
Can you make a series of against the odds where you play mono color burn in every color?
Tren Lee Green burn OP with hornet sting.
Tren Lee This please
But wouldnt it be interesting to see it with some good 'ol Saffron jank?
"Against the odds: mono-red burn"
Mon -white burn doesn't exist. PLAY IT SETH!
10:25 jesus christ side in leyline for the love of Finkel
I don't know why, but that first Tim Allen grunt when Whir of Invention came out nearly killed me with laughter xD
Opponent has Bogles. Hand: Bolt, Path, Push, Cut, Shriekmaw.
Always great to draw the wrong half of the deck :>
Interesting deck, indeed. I would love to see you play my Tainted Immortality deck for against the odds though. Comboing Beacon of Immortality with Tainted Remedy for an instant kill, put into an Esper control shell. Mystical Tutor to search for the Beacon at the end of turn is pretty decent most of the time. Here is the list, since you can't really link to them in youtube comments. I might even add a copy of Bontu's Last Reckoning to the sideboard when Hour of Devastation is released, since you can tutor for it with Dimir Machinations. Anyway, here's the list:
Manabase:
2x Drowned Catacomb
3x Flooded Strand
2x Ghost Quarter
2x Glacial Fortress
1x Godless Shrine
2x Hallowed Fountain
2x Island
2x Isolated Chapel
2x Plains
2x Shambling Vent
2x Swamp
1x Temple of Silence
1x Watery Grave
Enchantments:
2x Detention Sphere
3x Tainted Remedy
Instants:
2x Beacon of Immortality
3x Blessed Alliance
2x Condemn
1x Cryptic Command
2x Fatal Push
2x Mana Leak
1x Mystical Teachings
2x Path to Exile
2x Remand
1x Spell Snare
1x Sphinx's Revelation
2x Think Twice
Sorceries:
1x Dimir Machinations
3x Inquistion of Kozilek
2x Lingering Souls
1x Painful Truths
2x Supreme Verdict
Planeswalkers;
1x Gideon Jura
Sideboard:
1x Aetherling
1x Anguished Unmaking
1x Blood Baron of Vizkopa
2x Collective Brutality
1x Damnation
1x Gideon Jura
1x Jace, Architect of Thought
1x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
1x Negate
1x Relic of Progenitus
2x Rest in Peace
1x Timely Reinforcements
1x Dispel
Can I just say, I love these thumbnails.
so i think with the thoughtseizes and the fetches and shocks you probably could have considered death's shadow. like shadow into vision seems pretty deece.
You missed outs a few times. Against Living End you still had "Nexus -> Evoke Shriekmaw, cascade a wrath" to live. Basically if you can cascade you might as well do that instead of scooping, you have so much random crap in your deck who knows what'll happen? :P
Why not destroy bloom?
Seth punts quite a bit.
FoodReact that's my thought exactly. Game 1 kill the bloom EoT, make sure your not combo'd....
my only thought is that it's typically not the right play to kill your opponents bloom, since they crack it and go off, though you're right in this case. It's also worth noting he had to deal 2 to himself too to K. Command
I hope the summary of his games at years end is just the list of every punt back to back.
Followed by the typical mispronunciation.
Two damage doesn't matter when anything else guarantees your death.
At 2:38 Seth sounds like he is talking while either exhaling some kind of smoke, or perhaps vaping? I mean...Seth looks like a big time hippie with that hair and long beard. What are the odds he's smoking some dank weed while playing moto all day? I'd be willing to be he smokes pot. Hahaha love you Seth!
I used to smoke, but switched over to vaping because it's healthier.
Nice dude! I know your pain, I thought I would die a smoker, and probably FROM smoking, but I bought a decent vape with a tank a little over a year ago and havent had a cigarette since! I am proud of you Seth, quitting that shit is not easy, even when you first start vaping you till want that cigarette, it has that....i dont know, that BURN. Its hard to describe. Either way I'm glad you are doing something healthier. Lets hope scientists dont find out that something in our vape liquid causes cancer 100x more than cigarettes haha!
@22:00 shoulda blocked the wildwood with ojutai, you can turn on your wraths that way
"What are the odds of you walking out of here with that jacket???"
*throws knife* "Better than average"
"Yeah I'll go along with that"
/end Crocodile Dundee quote
Seth "stepping up my basic land game" SaffronOlive
31:10 you could have dropped Nexus and evoked Shriekmaw hoping to hit a Damnation. It would be a long shot, but conceding in that situation is simply giving up on a nonzero chance to win.
is it possible for you to do annotations at the start for the combo?
I watch these videos on autoplay, so I miss the deck tech video explaining whats going on.
love these, keep it up
At 15:43 isn't the better line to just Ultimatum? You draw 3 and gain 5 and still have mana for possible Paths/Fatal Push off whatever you draw?
At 1:23 Seth should have used K-Command to destroy the Lotus Bloom on the spot instead of letting his opponent untap with it !
@ 27:51 isnt that a mtgo bug he had double outburst but it didn't show it in the revealed card slot
31:10, nexus, evoke shriekmaw, cascade into damnation? unlikely but possible, yes?
:D The face you make when you find out Saffron is from Upstate NY!!!!!!!!
if you came here looking for it ... it starts at 8:19
"Gotta take out these fatal push's" *takes out path* 😂😂😂
Man you consistently keep the worst hands in magic lol.
"We don't have a play till turn 4 but we have our colors!"
I love you Seth haha.
Could have Snap>Angered in game 2 against mono black. Wasn't looking great anyway.
Seth didn't your Mom ever tell you not to play with your food. That Living End Game 2 was brutally slow.
Seth: ahhh another thoughtsieze
MTGO: JUST FUCKING CAST THEM GOD DAMN IT
I was worried about out life total, but maybe I shouldn't have been since our opponent was one living end.
Seth was in heaven in that last game. Lol
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Why did you not cast thoughtseize of cascade? It doesn't have that restriction on sorcories as far as I know.
Thoughtseize requires an opponent to target, and ad naus opponent had a leyline of sanctity out, which means thoughtseize had no legal targets
Well, Thoughtseize targets a player, not an opponent, so there was definitely a legal target! Don't think this is a deck where Thoughtseizing yourself is going to get you places, of course, but might be a relevant line in Reanimator decks?
Silfir Oh yeah, it does target players, doesn't it? Woops. The things that are easy to forget.
I spent ten minutes trying to figure out what SC stood for until I realized it was 5C.
Reflecting Pool would have been great substitute for Mana Confluence
I've noticed that you can tell a deck is ad nauseum if they play temples, and that a deck is generally living end if they play fast lands. Why is that? ie why aren't those decks playing shocks or conversely more decks playing non-shocks?
Planeswalker999 both decks play fetches and shocks as it's just the most consistent way to build a 3+ color mana base. From there it usually depends on the deck's needs, but fastlands are usually what takes up the slots in most decks as they allow dual colors in the early game w/o the loss of life. Normally a deck can't afford to take the first couple of turns off to play tapped lands unless the effect is very powerful (i.e. A manland) Ad Nauseum is an exception because it spends the first 3-4 turns digging for the win.
Hope this helped answer your questions
Grammar :/
i would love to see this deck play vs. pozna xD
I know you wanted to use Cruel Ultimatum but the cascade ability you based this on probably kept putting it back to the bottom so you were wildly unlikely to ever get it in your hand without something to tutor for it
As sweet as this deck was, I think it needed more life gain to not die to some of the decks you faced. More Thragtusk could have been used and maybe Kitchen Finks as well.
WE NEED THAT BLACK LIFELOSS DECK
why doesnt this deck play bring to light ? (i know it cant get nexus) but it gets thragtusk or a wrath or cryptic (or everything else basicly)
and if you cast it with a nexus out its the same cmc as shriekmaw or thragtusk
and if it gets hit by cascade its basicly ancestral vision (it only gets hit by cruelultimatum and grave titan)
why no leyline of sanctity against ad nauseam?
doesn't matter lab maniac is an alternative win con
Bernardo Macedo true, however shutting off the ability to instant kill you through damage is rather important for slower decks against ad nauseam
theodore goodall they instant kill you with lab maniac too. Play ad nauseam into maniac hold up serum visions ggs
Spoils naming a card not in the deck + maniac works too
johnnyandthepnuemoni I'm well aware of the lab maniac plan. However it does fold pretty hard against his hand disruption. My question was also directed toward Seth. As it was his decision making that I was curious at. Not how his opponents deck works.
i need that OP ad naus list im on 0 whirs and i feel i should run 1 or 2
"let's get steam vents... I guess this means we get blood crypt" XD
Brad Young he drew a blue source, so didn't need to fetch one.
Yeah, we didn't have a steam vents :)
I haven't seen underworld dreams in like 10 years
relic tribal against the odds
This deck looks like a cube deck on steroids.
whit this many one-off gifts ungiven might be good.
also all the big minions feels overkill, we win anyway if we have Maelstrom Nexus.
Why no reflecting pool in the list?
Why not wait with abrupt decay'ing the spiritdancer until they tried to enchant it, thereby 2-1'ing them?
Because the opponent would draw a card so I'm not sure we'd really come out ahead.
What modern creature can even profitably block the 1/1 Skulk?
There isn't many, really. It's also just a 1/1 though.
A 1/1 token creature could block it. Like an elemental made by Young Pyromancer. Also Thraben Inspector can block it and live.
Instead of mainphase Snapcaster for Abrupt Decay in game 2 against Bogles, it's better to let them untap with Spiritdancer so they unload their hand full of enchantments onto it and you can it it with Abrupt Decay afterwards. Generates more card advantage that way, and even if they decide to remove Snapcaster you're still usually getting a 3-for-1 or better.
Alex White It does not. Spirit Dancer draws a card for each aura they cast and makes it that much closer to their next creature.
Good call, forgot that Spiritdancer actually has text. Ignore me!
Why doesn't grave titan save him at 22:12?
We couldn't cast it because Mana Confluence makes us lose one life.
Thanks a lot i missed that i haven't played with that land.
um why not play other cascade spells like that blue green elf or cards that manipulate the top of your deck?
The biggest problem is that the good cascade cards aren't legal in Modern, the UG Elf (Shardless Agent) is Legacy-only and Bloodbraid Elf is banned, so most of the cascade spells that are legal are pretty weak.
Hey guys, EpicWarfare here (the guy that played the Mono Black Burn deck in the video). I'm here to share with you the list that I have been using since people seem to be interested in it! I'm flattered that people think the deck is cool and would love some opinions on it.
tappedout.net/mtg-decks/08-06-17-xmT-mono-black-burn/
why no bring to light in the deck?
Why play relic with snapcaster?
do you ever lose to living end....?
Why the invocations seth
Snapcaster, *cascade* into Path? That's not how you're supposed to Snapcast
God the punts are real in game 1
What does "janky" mean
Tribal Relic!!!! A bad lantern control deck
Gosh darn it. Here's Seth playing with an almost non functional deck meanwhile I'm lucky to go positive at a tournament with GR pumaler!
Game 2 is when someone brings their monoblack standard deck to modern
Took you all of four turns to punt a game away. You even said "Command can destroy an artifact"!
22 minutes in during match three why couldnt you just drop the grave titan and potentially stabilize, you didnt have to pain with confluence and it would have provided you with three blockers so even if he had removal you were ok there, at 1 but ok.....am i missing something?
relic tribal for next against the odds
When you try to do something cool, but could easily win the game otherwise, do you ever play suboptimally to give opponent illusion of hope so they don't concede before you get to do cool stuff? \
That Bogles list...
"can never draw too many cards" seth 2017
Aw, man, I was hoping to see myself, but I beat the Panharmonicon version, not this one. Ah, well, that's how it goes.
Yeah, I ended up scraping that one, probably because you beat me so badly.
I was the E&T player, by the way. I was hype off of having beaten you for the rest of the day, lol.
WTB Relic Tribal deck
Serious misplay in match 3 game 3. Instead of Pathing the opponent's creature, he should have blocked with Snapcaster and pathed his own so that he could play Grave Titan the next turn with the mana. That would have bought him enough time to stabilize.
m1g1 - just kill the lotus bloom with kolaghan's command?
should have run Bring to Light, but nvm did even work without
worth considering, for sure. It would be pretty lame to hit that with cascade but only the Grave Titan and Cruel Ultimatum are big enough for that to happen, so it's not as easy to write off for that reason compared to mana leak, negate, etc
Bring To Light wouldn't be useless off of a cascade because you can cast your ancestral vision if there are any in your library.
I can't believe you got got by mana tithe
Wouldn't want to be the one playing against this deck IRL O_O
playing around mana tithe..... lsv status
relic tribal: reliquary tower, for land........
Beats tier one deck. Loses to random homebrew.
why didn't you lightning bolt your opponent instead of yourself?
i know people have a love affair with cryptic command but putting it in a 5 color deck is just silly.
v.x richards cryptic has been played in 5 color for a long time. Gabe Nassif had it in his 5 color control list he used to win PT Kyoto.
I will be disappointed if relic tribal doesnt get played now.
You lost to the jank! haahahha
Did anyone else notice how loose his plays were
it's not jank if you lose to it Seth
or a new deck 5 colors expertise :P
Laughs at opponent's deck: loses. Sign of a doofus
why are you even playing thoughtseize in this deck if you never, ever, ever want to cascade it
So spicey.