What a $1500 pos unbelievable, and I'd bet the homeowner paid $15k lots of scumbags out there pretending to be deck or construction companies taking advantage of older people etc.
Yet another "home inspector " that does not know one end of a hammer from the other. Got lots of book learning but have never built anything except an Ikea book shelf.
Glad I'm not traditonal. Built my decks with 10" I beams 72" on center, with 3" diameter steel posts set in 10" diameter cement footings 18" deep. With 2x6 joists 16" on center, with trex decking.
As someone who has built multi, level decks, I would not have even attached to the house. I would have built with 6x6 posts on 2x10 beams and 2x8 joists and tied everything together with the correct bolts screws nails brackets. Hanging all that weight on your building is just silly when you can just build a strong freestanding deck.
This is crazy , I dont consider myself a deck builder but have built a few and are still standing strong after 20 + years in Michigan and I laugh now when my friends said I over engineered my builds.
Screws snap under a shear load while nails are flexible. A broken screw is much more useless than a bent nail for load bearing supports. However you don't want your deck flooring to move when the wood shrinks/expands so that's when you would use screws.
Simpson does sell joist hanger screws that are intended to be used with their hangers, but they’re spendy. Just go with the typical joist hanger nail and you’ll be fine
the Simpson strong tie company is likely the biggest racket in the construction field. We’ve countless examples of gorgeous Victorian homes that never used them (some will be celebrating their 150th birthday soon), yet our modern McMansions fail daily riddled with the little ugly bastards. Just use pressure blocks if you suck at toenailing/toescrewing…. Looks better than nailing a bunch of stupid looking recycled beer cans all over your nice new deck.
It’s just causing damage to the exterior wall of a house, the builder is clearly somewhat mathematically inclined and has a basic understanding of framing but it simply won’t last nearly as long as a deck built better than it. Waste of money really.
well, its obvious this person is not licensed,everyone knows that it has to be post and beam under the deck for support.I would red tag that deck and try to find the person who built it.take him to court, and lock him up until he can pay someone to build it right.
Im just an overhead door/gate tech. Did the best I could. Kidding of course, but love watching your channel. A part of the trades I never really get to see. Thanks.
The existing floor of the house is so low that building a deck at the same elevation or lower won’t work. Typically you need to pour a Sonotobe footing 8” above grade to prevent post rot. Then a double 2x10 beam on top of the footings with 2x10 joists. The upper deck looks like it was built by squirrels. The whole thing is a dangerous hazard and needs to be removed.
@@magnumballistics If I need to hire someone to climb up to cut down one of my trees my insurance company wants the work crew to have insurance of their own.
Your not gonna be able to get a 2x8 joist system in there and still have enough head clearance on the ground floor. My solution is 4x6 beam on the outer edge sitting on 4x6 posts then sister more 2x6 onto the exisiting joists. The only really scary part is that 2x6 on the end of the deck is carrying all that load of the deck joists.
A homeowner job. Second video I watched, and this inspector is also a complete hack! He missed the biggest problem of all, and complained about "no sealant" which is not needed.
In the defense of this industry, construction and construction code are not courses available in high school. In fact most things you should know, are not taught in high school. They are not taught in collage either because no one goes to collage to work hard labor.
But... in reality, if you don’t know how to build something atleast to safety standard, you just shouldn’t. Forget skill, precision, and attention to minor details, this deck could kill someone or cause severe, expensive damage to the home alone. Who ever built this clearly knows just enough to be dangerous, literally in this case. If you are gonna be out building things on this scale that require you don’t injure or kill a home owner, it is your responsibility to go seek the instruction or knowledge on how to do it properly, at the bare minimum.
Had a ground level deck built some years ago. I insisted on 6 x 6 footings with lag bolts, and joists 12 inches apart. Inspector came and told me I overbuilt it. I asked him if it was a bad thing, and he laughed and said no. It has held up nicely these many years, and I did have the top boards entirely replaced, but I will NEVER own another wooden deck again. The maintenance is just not worth it. Concrete or pavers from here on in, if I ever have to do it. I did a lot of research before we built. Yep the old no flashing and ledger board bolts not staggered. I have seen this on friends elevated decks and I let them know it needs to be fixed. Excellent video.
I get the deck isn’t built right. Just add a 2x4 one side of the post, and then a 2x6 on the other. One of the new boards will support the outside rim downwards. For the long span on 2x6 joists just double them up. Add an extra rim board and an inside 2x6 in addition to the outer if you can picture what I mean. Essentially turning the 4x4 to a 6x6 without really removing anything. Supports on guardrail can be added.
6'8" door proves that 4x4 is not over 8' as you claim...not saying it's right...just be correct..you don't need to sell us about poor building/ choices.
....... at 0:25 seconds into the video you can see the posts are 8 feet tall at minimum. But, pause the video at ANY point where the entire framework is shown... and you can CLEARLY see the posts are ~6 inches ABOVE the door... and at minimum ~10 inches beneath the door. You just failed inspections 101. And then commented to cement the failure.
wow, i built that 22 years ago, and it still looks good )
Yeah, like 22 minutes ago
What a $1500 pos unbelievable, and I'd bet the homeowner paid $15k lots of scumbags out there pretending to be deck or construction companies taking advantage of older people etc.
That top deck's lack of support is ridiculously-dangerous. All the outer load appears to rely on the shear strength of 6 wood screws.
No it's fine. The box said "wood screws" and I'm screwing into wood. No problem!
All they seem to be missing is the large kiddie pool on the upper deck!😮
Yet another "home inspector " that does not know one end of a hammer from the other. Got lots of book learning but have never built anything except an Ikea book shelf.
The home owner probably loved it
It looks so weak and frail
And those deck screws are better than what I just took apart.
1-1/4 roofing nails!!!! On a second level deck.
I mean for fuck sakes.
Surprised you stood under that.
3rd world workers , 3rd world results
But eet bee okay! Ees how we build them in Mexico!
So, this is like the 4th video I've seen of these and every single time I just look at the deck and wonder:
Do decks not need cross-bracing?
Building a deck is pretty much the one project that homeowners traditionally do. Badly.
Glad I'm not traditonal. Built my decks with 10" I beams 72" on center, with 3" diameter steel posts set in 10" diameter cement footings 18" deep. With 2x6 joists 16" on center, with trex decking.
@1:11: Structural screws would be fine. They don't need to be nails.
Not even lag or through bolt, wouldn’t you want to double/triple that outside rim or whatever you call it and have it sit on top of the post?
As someone who has built multi, level decks, I would not have even attached to the house. I would have built with 6x6 posts on 2x10 beams and 2x8 joists and tied everything together with the correct bolts screws nails brackets. Hanging all that weight on your building is just silly when you can just build a strong freestanding deck.
You don't even lag your posts to the rim Mr inspector. You place the rim on top of the posts. Shear strength of fasteners isn't enough.
This is crazy , I dont consider myself a deck builder but have built a few and are still standing strong after 20 + years in Michigan and I laugh now when my friends said I over engineered my builds.
Asking out of ignorance and in preparation for a deck build: what's the matter with using screws (proper ones, that is) for the joist hangers?
Screws snap under a shear load while nails are flexible. A broken screw is much more useless than a bent nail for load bearing supports.
However you don't want your deck flooring to move when the wood shrinks/expands so that's when you would use screws.
@@HeeHeeMan11 Exactly, I learned that in a code class. Screws snap, Nails bend.
Simpson does sell joist hanger screws that are intended to be used with their hangers, but they’re spendy. Just go with the typical joist hanger nail and you’ll be fine
the Simpson strong tie company is likely the biggest racket in the construction field.
We’ve countless examples of gorgeous Victorian homes that never used them (some will be celebrating their 150th birthday soon), yet our modern McMansions fail daily riddled with the little ugly bastards.
Just use pressure blocks if you suck at toenailing/toescrewing…. Looks better than nailing a bunch of stupid looking recycled beer cans all over your nice new deck.
Use nails.
Needs some carriage bolts, otherwise its not terrible.
It’s just causing damage to the exterior wall of a house, the builder is clearly somewhat mathematically inclined and has a basic understanding of framing but it simply won’t last nearly as long as a deck built better than it. Waste of money really.
well, its obvious this person is not licensed,everyone knows that it has to be post and beam under the deck for support.I would red tag that deck and try to find the person who built it.take him to court, and lock him up until he can pay someone to build it right.
Im just an overhead door/gate tech. Did the best I could.
Kidding of course, but love watching your channel. A part of the trades I never really get to see. Thanks.
They were either cheap or DIY just didn't know what they were doing!
Oh lord when you zoom in. Yikes
the rim is connected to the post meat head not beam ,,and whoever build that should come back annually to get those bees ,,,
You missed that the hangers weren’t nailed off. But yet you get what a lot of the GCs supply and pay for 😂😂
The saddest part of these videos is the people pay thousands for this junk work
The existing floor of the house is so low that building a deck at the same elevation or lower won’t work.
Typically you need to pour a Sonotobe footing 8” above grade to prevent post rot. Then a double 2x10 beam on top of the footings with 2x10 joists.
The upper deck looks like it was built by squirrels.
The whole thing is a dangerous hazard and needs to be removed.
You go cheap you pay twice
Stop saying ummmmmm to begin every sentence. SO annoying.
So are you saying this won’t pass inspection? 🤣🤣
Zero sway bracing on a second story deck is criminal.
Take it apart and call city inspector when the holes are dig
Always make sure that they are licensed and insured it will help if you need to go to court.
the slogan that made everyone DIY.. licensed and insured (in other words we charge 10x more for L&I ) for the same work as a handyman
@@magnumballistics If I need to hire someone to climb up to cut down one of my trees my insurance company wants the work crew to have insurance of their own.
Your not gonna be able to get a 2x8 joist system in there and still have enough head clearance on the ground floor. My solution is 4x6 beam on the outer edge sitting on 4x6 posts then sister more 2x6 onto the exisiting joists. The only really scary part is that 2x6 on the end of the deck is carrying all that load of the deck joists.
I see these type of houses in many videos from the US, are the outer walls composite boards? It got the looks of a shed.
A homeowner job. Second video I watched, and this inspector is also a complete hack! He missed the biggest problem of all, and complained about "no sealant" which is not needed.
thats methed up
😳
Boo hoo! 😨😨😨
that twisted top rail on the left of the bottom deck honestly is what bugs me the most
And I get paid half to come fix thier sht. 😂
Doesn't the city or county supposed to inspect?
That is a ridiculously good camera
In the defense of this industry, construction and construction code are not courses available in high school. In fact most things you should know, are not taught in high school. They are not taught in collage either because no one goes to collage to work hard labor.
But... in reality, if you don’t know how to build something atleast to safety standard, you just shouldn’t. Forget skill, precision, and attention to minor details, this deck could kill someone or cause severe, expensive damage to the home alone. Who ever built this clearly knows just enough to be dangerous, literally in this case. If you are gonna be out building things on this scale that require you don’t injure or kill a home owner, it is your responsibility to go seek the instruction or knowledge on how to do it properly, at the bare minimum.
He had the courage to stand under it
It will be fine wood is strong
Had a ground level deck built some years ago. I insisted on 6 x 6 footings with lag bolts, and joists 12 inches apart. Inspector came and told me I overbuilt it. I asked him if it was a bad thing, and he laughed and said no. It has held up nicely these many years, and I did have the top boards entirely replaced, but I will NEVER own another wooden deck again. The maintenance is just not worth it. Concrete or pavers from here on in, if I ever have to do it. I did a lot of research before we built. Yep the old no flashing and ledger board bolts not staggered. I have seen this on friends elevated decks and I let them know it needs to be fixed. Excellent video.
I get the deck isn’t built right. Just add a 2x4 one side of the post, and then a 2x6 on the other.
One of the new boards will support the outside rim downwards.
For the long span on 2x6 joists just double them up.
Add an extra rim board and an inside 2x6 in addition to the outer if you can picture what I mean.
Essentially turning the 4x4 to a 6x6 without really removing anything.
Supports on guardrail can be added.
6'8" door proves that 4x4 is not over 8' as you claim...not saying it's right...just be correct..you don't need to sell us about poor building/ choices.
....... at 0:25 seconds into the video you can see the posts are 8 feet tall at minimum.
But, pause the video at ANY point where the entire framework is shown... and you can CLEARLY see the posts are ~6 inches ABOVE the door... and at minimum ~10 inches beneath the door.
You just failed inspections 101.
And then commented to cement the failure.
And it will probably be fine for 20 years.
well it could have been 30