Only thing I disagree on is rapid expanding bullet. From my experience those bullets do not exit and in return no blood trail. That's on mature bucks from my experience. I prefer bonded bullets like federal fusionin 30-06
Thanks for sharing your experiences! We've tagged many mature bucks through the years and have always used a rapidly expanding bullet with much success. You can watch those hunts on this channel.
You only need a couple of bags of corn. Place it where the dear are. Where you've set it up, when you put up your stands. Use two stands. One on a north wind the other on a south wind. Place them - the corn , the stands, in a place where you can get to them without being detected by a deers eye sight, ears. And nose. Then, you don't need to have a million dollars for land, tractors, and discs. Buy a new hunting vehicle with the money you save.
Sounds more like shot placement than bullet failure. If the deer is shot in lungs or heart. They don’t. Go far. Oh. Just side note. Not a 243 fan. Especially for. Kids. 7mm 08. 140 gr. Bull nearly. Same. Recoil as 243. But way better sectional density so bullet. Does it’s job if the shot is not perfect.
I’ve killed more deer with a .243 than most have killed at all. Never had one go very far at all. My main concern is. Why. Do. You. Type. With so. Many. Periods? Can’t even take this comment seriously based on complete lack of understanding for terminal ballistics or punctuation.
WHOA, WHOA WHOA! I need to disagree! A high-expansion .243 might work down south, but my son's experience using that exact round for the last 3 years on Southern Wisconsin deer has shown it is INSUFFICIENT. Deer may be thin-skinned, but they are not always thin-fat and thin-muscle! He loves his .243, but I had to find him some non-expanding rounds for it so they will hopefully blow through the deer and leave 2 holes to blood track with. We're going to side-by-side shoot some clay blocks and compare the rounds before season this year. He's shot 2 bucks; the smaller 1st one left NO blood trail to follow and went 100 yds. Found him the next morning with full light about another 20yds past where we tried to sweep in the dark the night before. Cold night, meat all recovered. The second, bigger buck (but still only 2.5) went 450yds. Again, NO blood trail; we followed his tracks in the snow for 100 yards looking for blood and pulled out after only finding hair and some sporadic trickles of red. I found him 3 hot days later based on a tip of another hunter hearing coyotes in an area; all meat lost. :( I've even advised the 2 members of our hunting party who use AR's for the low-recoil, to ALWAYS plan to put at least 2 rounds in a buck! We're running 1 of 2 recover rate on the bucks shot with AR's. A fast .223 with pass through if it doesn't hit a bone, but the tiny hole seals up and there's nothing to track. We found the carcass shed hunting of the lost buck shot with an AR; the round hit the upper front leg and a rib. No blood trail to follow and the carcass was about 500yds from where he was shot. The one recovered passed cleanly though, blood trail was OK, but the buck only went 30yds.
No offense but this sounds like more range time and marksmanship would go further than buying bigger guns. I spent all of last season hunting with my sons youth .243 because it weighs less than anything else and is a tac driver. Both of us dropped a few deer in a few states and didn’t have to go more than 30 yards for any of them. Hogs too, but most of them were dropped in their tracks with a 5.56 AR. As a side note, some of the guys hunting with us in Texas couldn’t drop the pigs with 30-30, 7mm mag, .300 BO, .308, and 30-06….but my kid was laying waste with a 5.56. The difference is he can shoot and knows where to shoot them, and once the 11 yo explained to the adults where to shoot them their success began. 😂
@@dholiday9315 Yeah, I left that part out in an effort to be more concise. The 1st buck; 120yds, quartering strong, double lung. The expanded slug was in the cavity between the ribs and the opposite front leg. 2nd buck, 50yds, broadside, little far back, but ripped the entire diaphragm across. So the slug damage lungs, liver, and diaphragm. The theory of these high-expansion rounds is that the static shock is supposed to stop the deer. That's just never been my experience. The only big, fat Wisconsin deer I have ever had drop at the shot were hit by a 12-ga at under 50 yds. EVERY other deer has had to be tracked, so with only a single bleeding entrance hole of only .243 or .223 diameter, and being high on the body from the shot angle of an elevated stand, it just makes for near-impossible tracking with little to no blood. All my long rambling is trying to say is: Be aware of where you hunt and don't take some else's advice on what ammo works for them where they hunt as gospel. Whitetails have a big range and a mature deer in southern Missouri isn't the same animal as a mature deer in Wisconsin farm country isn't the same deer as a mature deer in northern Minnesota or Canada.
@@shanemarkley1060 What he has shot are soft points, and they expand too much as to be useless for blood tracking. The "high penetration" rounds, "rated for big game up to elk" are polymer tip. We're testing them today, as the heat-wave here has finally broken. So good timing on this conversation thread.
I'm not one to forget to post my follow-up for completeness/posterity; we shot each round at a 12" clay block. The high-expansion round blew the block up, but the entire round was found 10" into the block. The high-penetration round shed it's copper cladding in the block, but the bonded core blew right on through, splitting the block cleaning in half and folding it open flat. That's verification of what I expected from my son's experiences hunting with the old round, and builds my confidence in the new round I found for him to use.
Excellent! Master class.
As a dentist, I’m offended 😊….as always, great information!
Only thing I disagree on is rapid expanding bullet. From my experience those bullets do not exit and in return no blood trail. That's on mature bucks from my experience. I prefer bonded bullets like federal fusionin 30-06
Thanks for sharing your experiences! We've tagged many mature bucks through the years and have always used a rapidly expanding bullet with much success. You can watch those hunts on this channel.
Not many acorn sightings here in central PA either but no persimmons here any apple tree will be solid gold real estate though
Can you link the full length video? Would like to watch it but can’t find it
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You only need a couple of bags of corn. Place it where the dear are. Where you've set it up, when you put up your stands. Use two stands. One on a north wind the other on a south wind. Place them - the corn , the stands, in a place where you can get to them without being detected by a deers eye sight, ears. And nose. Then, you don't need to have a million dollars for land, tractors, and discs. Buy a new hunting vehicle with the money you save.
Sounds more like shot placement than bullet failure. If the deer is shot in lungs or heart. They don’t. Go far. Oh. Just side note. Not a 243 fan. Especially for. Kids. 7mm 08. 140 gr. Bull nearly. Same. Recoil as 243. But way better sectional density so bullet. Does it’s job if the shot is not perfect.
I’ve killed more deer with a .243 than most have killed at all. Never had one go very far at all.
My main concern is. Why. Do. You. Type. With so. Many. Periods? Can’t even take this comment seriously based on complete lack of understanding for terminal ballistics or punctuation.
I dropped the antelope in my pfp with a .243 on the run it’s a caliber that can get the job done.
Rather have chestnuts producing every year than hit or miss acorns
Unfortunately we don’t have many wild chestnuts anymore
There are very few native chestnuts remaining anywhere these days. In addition, chestnuts are not native to Missouri (his area) anyway.
WHOA, WHOA WHOA! I need to disagree! A high-expansion .243 might work down south, but my son's experience using that exact round for the last 3 years on Southern Wisconsin deer has shown it is INSUFFICIENT. Deer may be thin-skinned, but they are not always thin-fat and thin-muscle! He loves his .243, but I had to find him some non-expanding rounds for it so they will hopefully blow through the deer and leave 2 holes to blood track with. We're going to side-by-side shoot some clay blocks and compare the rounds before season this year.
He's shot 2 bucks; the smaller 1st one left NO blood trail to follow and went 100 yds. Found him the next morning with full light about another 20yds past where we tried to sweep in the dark the night before. Cold night, meat all recovered. The second, bigger buck (but still only 2.5) went 450yds. Again, NO blood trail; we followed his tracks in the snow for 100 yards looking for blood and pulled out after only finding hair and some sporadic trickles of red. I found him 3 hot days later based on a tip of another hunter hearing coyotes in an area; all meat lost. :(
I've even advised the 2 members of our hunting party who use AR's for the low-recoil, to ALWAYS plan to put at least 2 rounds in a buck! We're running 1 of 2 recover rate on the bucks shot with AR's. A fast .223 with pass through if it doesn't hit a bone, but the tiny hole seals up and there's nothing to track. We found the carcass shed hunting of the lost buck shot with an AR; the round hit the upper front leg and a rib. No blood trail to follow and the carcass was about 500yds from where he was shot. The one recovered passed cleanly though, blood trail was OK, but the buck only went 30yds.
No offense but this sounds like more range time and marksmanship would go further than buying bigger guns. I spent all of last season hunting with my sons youth .243 because it weighs less than anything else and is a tac driver. Both of us dropped a few deer in a few states and didn’t have to go more than 30 yards for any of them. Hogs too, but most of them were dropped in their tracks with a 5.56 AR. As a side note, some of the guys hunting with us in Texas couldn’t drop the pigs with 30-30, 7mm mag, .300 BO, .308, and 30-06….but my kid was laying waste with a 5.56. The difference is he can shoot and knows where to shoot them, and once the 11 yo explained to the adults where to shoot them their success began. 😂
@@dholiday9315 Yeah, I left that part out in an effort to be more concise. The 1st buck; 120yds, quartering strong, double lung. The expanded slug was in the cavity between the ribs and the opposite front leg. 2nd buck, 50yds, broadside, little far back, but ripped the entire diaphragm across. So the slug damage lungs, liver, and diaphragm.
The theory of these high-expansion rounds is that the static shock is supposed to stop the deer. That's just never been my experience. The only big, fat Wisconsin deer I have ever had drop at the shot were hit by a 12-ga at under 50 yds. EVERY other deer has had to be tracked, so with only a single bleeding entrance hole of only .243 or .223 diameter, and being high on the body from the shot angle of an elevated stand, it just makes for near-impossible tracking with little to no blood.
All my long rambling is trying to say is:
Be aware of where you hunt and don't take some else's advice on what ammo works for them where they hunt as gospel. Whitetails have a big range and a mature deer in southern Missouri isn't the same animal as a mature deer in Wisconsin farm country isn't the same deer as a mature deer in northern Minnesota or Canada.
Get soft points. Ballistic tips are for coyotes
@@shanemarkley1060 What he has shot are soft points, and they expand too much as to be useless for blood tracking. The "high penetration" rounds, "rated for big game up to elk" are polymer tip. We're testing them today, as the heat-wave here has finally broken. So good timing on this conversation thread.
I'm not one to forget to post my follow-up for completeness/posterity; we shot each round at a 12" clay block. The high-expansion round blew the block up, but the entire round was found 10" into the block. The high-penetration round shed it's copper cladding in the block, but the bonded core blew right on through, splitting the block cleaning in half and folding it open flat.
That's verification of what I expected from my son's experiences hunting with the old round, and builds my confidence in the new round I found for him to use.