I FELL THROUGH My Ceiling Trying To Run Fiber! - Was It Even Worth It?
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I'm finishing my basement at the moment. I ran two OM4 cables to my office and one to a closet. I also ran a bunch of 6A cables as well and one to my garage. the things you can do with the ceiling pulled down!
pretty excited to move everything down to the office to actually get good speeds. someday I need this Agg switch!
Some notes to consider for anyone else trying this
-Starting with the one you did but didn't mention: When using the enclosed electrical boxes, pop the cable management tabs off completely so you don't pinch your fibers (they're required to secure NMC for electrical installs, but not for the class 2 that includes data runs)
-There are sites that will ship you pre-terminated armored fiber with core counts of one to a few dozen. Despite the added cost, this is recommended if you're not running through conduit. They'll also make nice pull heads of at least one side so everything is nice and protected while you pull leads.
-Keystone blanks: They're great! you just pop them out later when it's time to add more connections to your data plates
-Importantly: duplex fiber pairs tend to be crossover cables for your convenience. If you don't want to pull apart your LC ends and have odd cables lying around, use and odd number of cables in your connector chain (as seen in the video: wall+side1+side2) as any even number will cancel out your crossover
Thanks for the tips. The tab was so hard to take off. I had to use a multi tool at the end to take it off. I’m sure there’s a better way lol.
@@TechTalkwithSamir you're not far off. I'd try bending back the tab with pliers or a screwdriver, then a good set of diagonal cutters. Just beware any pointy bits you might create during the cutting process.
@ghammer9773. Can you share the sites that will ship the armored cables Thanks
Wow, you were very fortunate that you were not seriously injured. When our son was a young teen, he and his running mate decided to scope out our attic space. His buddy missed a joist and went right through the ceiling. Fortunately he went right between the joists and landed on his feet. Biggest lesson learned, they had to hire someone to repair the ceiling. Would love to pull fiber to my rack but I’m no longer allowed to enter the attic (by order of my son). So, will have to wait till he has time to come do it for me.
Yea definitely was lucky. The thing is that I was fully aware of where I needed to step. Just misplaced my foot! Will definitely need to be more careful in the future.
Cat inspection part was funny. lol
Haha. He’s very nosy!
I really like the way you pack a lot of good info in a short amount of time.
Thank you for checking out the channel.
man that fiber installer really did a number on the install. You most likely have a passive optical network on the ISP side, which is shared bandwidth and it all depends how many houses you share with; PON plc splitters are 1:4 1:8 1:16:1:32 1:64
So I only share the passive signal with one other house. But that house doesn’t even have fiber service so I think I get the entire bandwidth to myself at the moment. Then again I only subscribe to 300Mbps connection so I doubt it would ever be an issue even if there was bandwidth sharing going on.
@@TechTalkwithSamir AT&T uses splitters at a PFP which are fed by a central office. The splitters can have either 32 or 64 ports on them. You may share a terminal with one other house, but that terminal isn't where the signal originates from. The chances of your splitter being full of either 32 or 64 customers are very high, yet like you said, you won't be affected much.
As far as that install, you could experience problems the way that the fiberglass on either side of the fiber is just hanging out of the wall like that. It's putting unnecessary stress on that fiber, which could easily lead to the fiber breaking. I'd secure that somehow so there isn't any stress on the fiber itself. Like FPS_Purple said, that installer did a number on it.
Agreed that installation is terrible, I don't know what the codes are like in the US but they would likely come into it. Here in the UK we don't have any applicable codes for fibre installs but it's common to terminate the incoming fibre into a small box of some sort where the sheathing of the cable is securely clamped to stop it getting pulled out, and then a connectorized outlet of some sort installed. The styles of them vary but the fitting is typically the same that the sheathing should be clamped and the internal white fibre should be cable managed safely in a connector box to prevent damage
Very nice video Samir,
There are some tips i will give you.
1. Always unroll the fiberbundle so the hoops and swirls are not in the way.
2. Always clean (!!!!) any fiber connection, even if the fiber is new.
i did the same thing when i was doing cabling for an old job, walking in the attic across the rafters, the board i was on tipped and my foot went through, i grabbed the ventalation straps (slicing my hand across all fingers, but i didnt fall through into customer service), luckily they just needed to replace a ceiling tile and i needed several bandages. coworker i think needed an icepack as he wanged his head on the steal beams when he ran up to check on me
Wow! Glad there was no serious injuries!
Ugh, I ran ethernet through my house in the middle of summer as well. Idk why we do this to ourselves.
Haha. I know right?
Yep I came out of my attic drenched in sweat after pulling 7 lines into the attic on a July afternoon.
Working on an attic in the middle of the summer is something I don't wish, not even to my worst enemy.
One thing you could do is run a "smurf tube" conduit (orange is really the color for low voltage, but that is just a color for code purposes) through the attic so you can pull more through later and to protect it, but depends on budget.
Definitely considered having a conduit but kept convincing myself that it’s okay to do it just in a rough manner since it’s just basically an experiment and nothing serious lol
Samir my friend another great video, sorry about your misstep on the ceiling and glad you didn't get hurt. As usual very clearly explained, this maybe a future project for me because like you I'm curious to see how it works for myself.
Thank you for checking out the video and the words of encouragement! Appreciate it.
Nice work, getting the experience first time is always important, cheers from Israel
Thank you for checking out the video. Appreciate the support!
hes checking the cat cables LOL 7:59
The cat made for amazing content!😂
I just was thinking some time ago if would be possible to use fiber instead rj45 cables and now your video was recommended to me. Definitely I will use fiber cable on my next networking setup.
Haha TH-cam can read your mind!
Been there, done that, got the Tee Shirt!
This video was recommended after the Ludwig swat video where an officer fell through the ceiling. LOL
Haha! Gotta love the TH-cam algorithm!
thanks for sharing and info, have a great day
Thanks for checking out the video.
Cool video !! Fiber to the workstation via 10g is what im using too!!
Awesome! I’m definitely happy with my fiber rub (despite the mishap).
My cat too regularly inspects my work.
Haha yup! Would have been very helpful if he instead helped me with running the cable rather than just inspect lol
Nice one dude!
I think your fiber linking so fast after wakeup is because you have a PCIE card for the SPF+ connection, PCIE cards in some cases stay awake during sleep, so its technically always on unlike the gigabit port on the pc that falls asleep when you put the computer to sleep.
I would think that but in my case I was using the same card for the SFP+ to RJ45 transceivers.
Crawlspaces FTW!
Totally agree!
If you have a little cordless vac, hold that up to the cut while you're cutting the drywall.
I need you to come run some cable in my house but no ceiling work.
Lol you didn’t run all the cables you needed while the walls were open?
Bear in mind try not to use an expensive vac that you care about, drywall dust is so fine that it often passes through the filters in an average vac and destroys the motor eventually. Just something to be aware of :) maybe keep a cheap vac just for this sort of task rather than using the wife's Dyson cordless :)
The cat did it for me :)
Haha. Thanks for checking out the video!
I did the exact same thing when I moved into my new house all but i went all the way through my ceiling
Oh yikes! Hope you didn’t get injured! It’s quite dangerous!
u sound calming
If you're on some sort of PON internet (i.e. Frontier, AT&T) then it's for sure a simplex fiber
Yup. It’s at&t.
I did the same thing while running wire for my UniFi6 Long Range.....
Really unfortunate. Hope you were okay!
I did the same thing placing an antenna cable in my ceiling many years ago.
It can be pretty dangerous! Hope you didn’t get hurt!
@@TechTalkwithSamir about the same as you, I didn't fall through, and that was many years ago. Nice video, I can't say I have need for 10 Gbps fiber, but I like seeing the process.
Honestly even for me it’s mostly just for the purpose of exploring and trying it out. I can’t say that I take full advantage of the 10Gbps speeds at all times.
Thanks for checking out the video!
Glad I watched. Have never fallen through the ceiling but that is definitely a possibility. I am about to run another cat6 cable and am also in Texas. At least this week is cloudy and not 100 degrees. Am hoping to spend only a few minutes in the attic. Planning helps. Would like to do fiber but don' t have that switch, just a unifi 16 port poe. Like you said 10 gig is overkill for my network. I did just add T-Mobile home internet to my udm-pro for a failover. It looks like it is working good. Good speeds (200 mbps+)
For sure! The attic is an unpleasant and dangerous place. Especially in the summer in Texas! For most people 10 gig is definitely an overkill! Good luck with your CAT6 cable run!
It can definitely get scary! I’m actually contemplating putting some osb subfloor in certain areas of the attic to make it easier to work in.
You could also try, if it is possible in your attic, to lay down pieces of maybe 1/2 or 3/4 inch plywood or something strong to walk on temporarily. Just don't do the thing where you step on one side of it and the other side flips up :P I don't have a 10gb fiber switch yet (just 1gb) but I'm able to network my homebuilt nas to my pc via routing rules in linux through a direct connection on the 10gb wire with separate 10g nics. If you have even more ports you can kind of turn your pc into an actual switch also though it is better to just buy a switch if you have more pcs connected. Then you can use iperf3 or something to test it.
Haha. I can totally picture that happening!
You know, I've never taken notice of the temperature of 10GBase-T SFP's, but that's a good note. Don't the DAC cable ends get just as hot though? Aren't they essentially just the same thing, but with a cable that's permanently attached? At least that's what I always thought. I always wondered why DAC cables were so much cheaper than buying 10GBase-T modules, are they really that different in how they accomplish the task?
The DAC cables are much cooler. Basically negligible temperatures. I think the length of the Ethernet cable has a lot to do with the heat. It likely takes a lot of power to put the signal through a long copper cable.
@@TechTalkwithSamir I've used really long DACs before in datacenters and never took notice of the temperature, interesting 🤔
I'm not sure of the full technical details but DAC benefits from some sort of more direct signalling, I think RJ45 needs additional signal conversion from the SFP port to a regular "ethernet" signal so the transceiver has additional chips and circuitry to make that happen which in such a small space creates the heat, but DAC cuts out all of that and provides a direct path.
I believe DAC is beneficial over fibre in terms of latency because there's no conversion involved, but not by any noticeable amount so for normal everyday use they're both just as good. The only downsides with DAC is you're limited on the length of the cable, and also you need to ensure that the cable is compatible with the devices on both ends. Quite commonly with switches and network cards, the big manufacturers like HP, Dell, Cisco, Intel etc like to vendor-lock their equipment to only work with their own cables and transceivers which can cause issues when you need to connect equipment of different brands.
ZERO need for fiber, copper would have been fine.
Totally agree! But curiosity causes us to do unreasonable things ☺️
It's cheaper.
@@0bsmith0 not even remotely. It’s about double the cost.
@@phenry5083RJ45 SFP+'s are expensive. I get fibre SFP+'s super cheap.
This is funny because when I had fiber internet installed the installer did the same thing at my house lol.
Haha. Hopefully there wasn’t too much damage!
make sure the att fiber is not 90ed it is real easy to brake that fiber going to there jack. I work for att they should of ran a pre-made fiber in to the jack it is harder to brake and 90
Thanks for the heads up. That strand of fiber going through the wall does concern me a bit. I did however pool up the slack to reduce the tension on it. But if it ever causes problems I’m gonna call up the ISP and mention exactly what you said. ☺️
Careful my mother did that in her attic while growing up.
Yup definitely a dangerous thing if you’re not careful!
What's the horn @ 10:35 ?
It’s for an alarm.
Do the 1 gig SFP transceivers get hot like the 10 gig ones? I have one in transit that I'm planning on using for WAN failover so it won't be doing much work.
Thats a good question. I personally have not used one. But I think it depends on the length of your cable. The longer the cable the more current it likely has to put through the transceiver to generate a strong enough signal. I could be wrong though. Let me know how it works out.
From my experience they do get pretty hot as well, I haven't personally used the 10gig ones so can't compare it, but 1gig definitely gets hot
Interesting, I have mine plugged into my dream machine now but I won't have anything plugged into it for a while. Can't think why they need to be hotter than an rj45 though.
@@futurecactus Sorry I mean the 1gig RJ45 run hot, not the 1gig fibre ones :)
What do you use to connect your ( Fiber WAN ) to your UDM Pro?
My ISP gave me a Nokia ONT that outputs an RJ45.
I then attach that RJ45 to my UDM Pro SFP+ port via RJ45SFP+ Transceiver.
I've been experimenting with different manufacturers, but I'm getting wonky results.
My ISP also gave me a modem with built in media converter. They gave me a RJ45 output from their modem to connect to my network.
That's what i have, and not a single issue in 2 years. 1gig by 1gig..
Awesome. I hope I get the same luck
You should !
If you're on the Nokia system, if it interests you, you can get a SFP for it that works with the UDM Pro. The model number is G-010S-A. Your ISP would need to be happy to accept it though as they need to apply the configuration on their end. It's pretty simple though and uses the same configuration as the RJ45 bridge. (I work for an ISP that deploys Nokia gear so have a lot of experience with it)
I'm still surprised that LC couplers don't all use the shutter doors. Those plugs always get lost. Here's what I'm talking about. th-cam.com/video/Cd9dCtb_Nf8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mg0LrSVXoeQ1DBtV&t=58
10 gig is fine over cat5e in a house unless your runs are absolutely ridiculous sized
I actually tried with my existing CAT5e. It would connect but would suddenly drop link before reconnecting. Technically it worked but just wasn’t reliable in my experience.
Great info thanks! I feel your TX comment- I live here too, it is sucking right now!
While the rest of the country is excited about summer weather, we dread it it here lol.
🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thanks for checking out the video!
Clearly you didn't know now to correctly run fiber. Please never do this for anyone but yourself, the installation is a hack job.
I never intended to do it for anyone else. As I said in the video, this was just me exploring my own curiosity. But thanks for your observation and suggestion lol.
Just curious how you would have ran it differently?
@@markstanchin1692 there’s always a troll 🧌 in every crowd.
@@trailheadmedia5578🤣🤣
Nice video
How will you repair your ceiling?
Thanks for checking out the video. It’s mostly already repaired. Just used a piece of patching drywall and some furring strips. I just have to paint it and it should be all set.