Bardock Was A WHAT???
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2023
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Today we are discussing the infamous English dub line where Vegeta claims that Goku's father was a "brilliant scientist".
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Goku: source?
Vegeta: I made it the fuck up
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Source?
My imagination
goku: source?
vegeta: trust me bro
Goku: Source?
Vegeta: I pulled it out of my ass.
mgr reference
Bardock was a brilliant saiyan-tist
Bruh. That guy's a genius
@@raymondsdocumentaries3707not as genius as bardock
Hah that's really funny ngl
A pun even Akira Toriyama would be proud of
Saiya-jin-tist
Goku: My father?!
Vegeta: Yes, your genius father, Jor-El, was a brilliant scientist, Superman.
Fucking perfect.
“Your a kryptonian, Goku!”
-Sun Tzu, Art of War
He called him an average fighter when in fact Bardock was one of the strongest Saiyan's at that time because Vegeta was still just a kid. At most kid Vegeta could be equal to Bardock in power but Bardock has more size and way more battle experience because he has been at the front lines his whole life taking on brutal missions meant for elites and escaped the brink of death more times compared to a child prince
Exactly, because Goku left planet Vegeta right when it exploded just like Kal El was leaving Krypton.
@@OverRule1 second strongest if we go by non canon bardock
Yes even as a child vegeta was stronger
Bardock after Vegeta said that:
*You know, I'm something of a scientist myself*
Why has this no comments
Fe r tfs reference
@BLACKSKULL08 no this is a spider man reference
@@D3M0NSlayerXXX idiot doesn’t know tfs
Well Bardock did seem smarter than everyone else he was around. He was nice to his lady. Invented that moon thing from energy. In the Broly movie he knew freeza was up to something when everyone else was just like happy-go-lucky. He knew to send Kakarot away. He's also smart enough to tell the guy in the ship with them not to talk cuz Frieza could hear him.
Maybe he was mocking Goku. The king probably spoke poorly of Bardock to Vegeta. "He was average at best, but he developed the fake moon, our most useful science!"
Admitting Bardock was approaching his own power is not something he cared to admit, or maybe the conversation happened before the events of the movie.
Broly movie is non-canon
Broly movie is canon😂
Dude they changed bardock in super the OG bardock didn’t give a fuck about no one he was single always fighting and couldn’t care less about either of his sons
Bardock's science: my fist + your face × velocity = pain
And that's facts
That's is also the square root of fighting
Actually no
I believe it was : My fist + charge q of ki + your face × velocity = chronic pain
So that’s why dbza referred him as a scientist
I love the little callbacks to it
"I am working on this fake moon thing..."
Cell: "My Father was a Brilliant Scientist...
Raditz: Hmm
Paragus: You see, one night while I was discussing the son of Bardock.
Vegeta: The scientist?
Paragus: The very same.
That’s so cool! But so damn dumb!
To be fair, the bar for a PhD is a bit lower for saiyans.
I see, Vegeta forgot he’s not in Superman’s Universe. The line about Goku’s father Bardock being the warrior who created the moon technique was epic. If only they dropped the scientist part.
And average fighter part lol
Bardock was legit one of the strongest on planet vegeta.
@@madewithkinemaster2798he really wasn't theres no proof that he was
@@TheEchoShark He had a power level of 10k
@@heavenlysusanoo3782 That was shown in bardock father of goku which wasn't canon
“You know kakarot, your father was a brilliant scientist but a terrible video editor!”
-lythero
Okay, so the entire voice cast of Sonic Prime is from Canada, including Bryan Drummond, the actor who plays Vegeta in this dub. He voices Eggman in the new show, so now *he* gets to be the brilliant scientist
You should read the old Vietnamese translation of the manga. There, Bardock was a general and Goku is Vegeta's maternal half-brother, which mean at some point, Gine slept with King Vegeta.
Where can i find this?
Dude that's cool as hell
@@Trashboat4444 Sorry for the late reply. Look for "Dragon Ball Kim Đồng 1995"
I wouldn’t mind if that was canon (I mean we still have no idea abt vegeta’s mom so why not) but ig most of the shippers wouldn’t like that... Also I wonder if it was mutual or forced
That sluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut
They ran into some radical weaponry! Sick line 😂
That shit was radical
Damn Raigallians and their radical weaponry
@@newbichote7178 I'm fuckin dead bro 💀 🤣 😂 😭 😩 😅
Mondo cool.
To Saiyans, anyone with slightly above average intellect is a genius scientist. Bardock considered making a ball of light in the sky when there wasn't one there yet and was instantly elevated to the equivalent of Einstein status
Well shit I wouldn't even know where to start makeing something like that
Canon wise it never happened,never was mentioned. If we're going by the clip/dub, according to dbz lore, it's a specific light wave the moon is extra good at reflecting(they say it emits it) the energy, blutz waves i think, he made a condensed ball of those thats what so impressive about it
Let's not forget all of the saiyans technology isn't sayan tech, it's tuffle tech.
@@xieotv2386 that's gt specific it's not canon
@@Localpcshitter it is cannon, the Saiyan home world isn't called planet vagita, super confirms it once more, the planet we know as the saiyan homeworld wasnt not their original world, they moved there and for a while lived along side its inhabatants, until king vagita led an upriseing and took over the world.
Planet Sadala was the original Saiyan homeworld which was destroyed due to internal conflict. The Saiyans that lived there moved to another planet, Planet Plant, overthrew it and renamed it, Planet Vegeta.
In universe 6 which is a literal twin universe to 7 planet sadala still exists. The saiyans however are not wareapes and thus lack tails and the ozaru form.
Shows how much you know huh.
I remember being 12 years old, waking up every Sunday at 5am just to watch this!! I’m 40 now😂 those Ocean Dib voices were iconic!!
Yup. Ocean Dubs way better then these new dubs hands down
@@HollowNoFace Vegeta sounds so trash here tho
@@bruceglass9459 trash is a understatement 💀
@@HollowNoFace vegeta sounds like he hasnt hit puberty in this dub. Funimation dub was much better. Most iconic Goku voice IMO. The only anime i can say the dub is better than the sub 100%
@HollowNoFace wrong. Sabat and Schemmel are WAY better than these guys.
Honestly I like the head canon of bardock making the "Burst open and mix" techniques
No offense to Chris but Brian is VERY underrated as Vegeta. I’m glad they brought him back in Super.
Yeah, as a filler villain.
I disagree but i think i'm just biased by TFS
Brian was great for evil Vegeta but I am not sure his voice would work well for the more heroic stuff
@Slots I have seen his speech of Vegeta deciding to go beyond Super Saiyan. It felt odd.
As Majin Vegeta? Excellent.
Also the scene where frieza is speaking his “native tongue” when in the sub frieza is actually laughing.
I remember that very well.
To be fair, how the fuck are you supposed to make that work outside of Japanese. Like Piccolo's laugh when he fuses with Nail and we go that awesome pep talk in the dub.
@@Demonboy007i dont care what anyone says the change was fucking great
Gohan must’ve gotten his brains from somewhere.
Well the most I iconic line in DBZ came from that voice actor. "You will not escape my wrath!"
THATS WHERE THE DBZA JOKE CAME FROM!!
What joke
@TheVertyBunch In t y movie When paragus says when he was discussing the son of barlock Vegeta exclaims the scientist
@@TheWarthogaa and in episode bardock the alien tells bardock that he must be a brilliant scientist and Bardock responds “well I am working on this fake moon thing”
I can honestly say I don't ever remember seeing it hearing that in the dub at all granted it been ages.
It was the Ocean Dub. This line isn't in the funimation dub which is the one most fans have seen.
@@beanshounen oh, I watched it as a kid sometime around when Z first came out but I have watched Z again tho like 6 years ago. So maybe I just don't remember it and the new version like you said didn't have it.
@beanshounen ok thank you that clears up my massive confusion. Because the line where you show what he actually says is what I remember him saying not this scientist mumbo jumbo and his voice was definitely not the same.
Just to clarify, this is the ocean dub, which I'm pretty positive was recorded before Bardock was introduced as a character, actually the Bardock special itself.. so they didn't have the same information on, not just Bardock, but the Saiyan race as a whole, as we do today. It was a creative risk they felt comfortable taking for whatever reason.
Only on the dub side Bardock wasn't introduced. But the dub started almost 6 years after the original Bardock special aired in Japan. They didn't do enough research into future material.
It was simply the Ocean Dub changing things for the sake of it.
It just backfired because turned out Goku's father was an actual character.
@@JohnWilliams-wl9px No, the reason it was changed is because the actual dialogue in Japanese has Goku thinking about when he transformed in the original Dragon ball and killed his grandpa. Naturally it wouldn't fit because DBZ premiered first in English.
@@TheMahayanist dude no it wasn’t, because in the same dub right after Vegeta turns into the Great ape, does Goku realize he was the same monster that killed Grandpa Gohan.
Though they changed it so that Goku thinks Vegeta killed Gohan.
The series was already finished in japan by the time the Ocean Dub started production.
Yeah Dragon Ball GT was airing in Japan when this dub came out.
I wonder if anyone remembers that on 4kids sonic was talking about DBZ and said “Now piccolo is a sayian just like Raddiz”
Ngl, the idea of Bardock being a scientist makes immense sense, he was able to tell Frieza was pulling a play of the game a mile away.
Why does he sound like freeze 💀
old Vegeta voice lol
I agree
Ocean dub. Which was better anyway.
@@Blighted_Ashes no it wasnt. They literally had Rolf from Ed Edd n' Eddy voice Goku
@@undeadinside3571that’s ok tho
"That's a nice arguement Vegeta. Why don't you back it up with a source."
"My source is I made it the fuck up."
Maybe if he said "your father was an average fighter, but a brilliant tactician." That line would've hit 10 times harder then the fumigation or Nickalodian dub imo.
Oh Ocean Dub Vegeta. How I miss thee own snarky sounding voice.
He made a cameo in a small filler Arc in Dragon Ball Super as Clone Vegeta.
That's why I don't remember him saying this
@@goku262002 i knew that voice was familiar! It was ocean dub vegeta?! Thats kind of a cool detail
I enjoy this when it aired because it gave more layers to Kakarot's family.
Yea made up layers
@@smugkid1588 it's all made up layers. This is fiction.
@@smugkid1588 I do believe that all fiction, by definition, is made up. And last I checked, the _Dragon Ball_ franchise isn't in the Documentary genre.
So...... what was your point again?
@@AhsimNreiziev he said it himself that there is nothing in the manga or anime that hints to bardock being a scientist or do you want to tell me that you see this differently.
@@smugkid1588 So either it's Toriyama making things up, or it's Toei making things up, or it's the Ocean team making things up.
Again: why is the last one unacceptable where the other 2 aren't? What, exactly, is the difference?
“I just realized that someone has conveniently removed the moon” is such a funny sentence and the delivery made it even better lol
Bruh y’all trippen, that Rygol 7 arc was peak!!!
😂😂😂😂😂
The Ocean dub legit just make a random planet for this situation😭
“We ran into some Radical weaponry” I never expected Vegeta to utter these words in my life
I still liked how his father was brought up
Now I’m just imagining Bardock (using science) invented a Black Hole you can create using the energy around you, kinda like how Goku did so using his Spirit Bomb, with the help of Jiren
Vegeta pretty much just called his dad a nerd 💀
To be honest it would be fire if the technique was invented by bardock and not the scientist part🤣.
Makes senses since in the bardock movie most fail to realize the bardock effect.
He and his crew are lower class warriors but they can handle elite assignments.
The gets convoluted as “all lower class saiyans” were starting to do elite level assignments.
No…only bardock and his crew. He was build different. “It doesn’t take a lot of brains to be a great fighter”
“Ingenuous move, he is not slouch, better watch out”
He and his crew were probably stronger than most saiyan elites. Even stronger than king vegeta.
In some dubs I heard them say he has a power of 10,000 when he is healing.
Goku on saiyan saga: “it’s over 9,000”
Judging by the timeframe….Nappa had a lower level on bardocks time or slightly improved by the saiyan saga BUT still below bardock.
Lower class mentality is also observed in the movie and raditz.
Bardock tries to warn them and they laugh that he “failed” his assignment and now frieza is coming for him.
“He got busted up pretty bad😂😂”
“Hurts don’t it🤣🤣🤣🤣”
“Maybe you should stop pretending to be elite”
“Us? Or you bardock”
Raditz: no honor, would say anything to save his own skin. Doesn’t really try to be anything above.
Bardock did invent it and when vegeta said scientist I assume he just meant like a genius because bardock was one of the smarter saiyans
@@godbless.ant11 if this was the funimation dub
Goku: my father? He was a scientist? Did he have a degree or something?
Vegeta: No but he invented something and that’s considered a brilliant scientist by sayain standards
I feel very conflicted about it, because it would be amazing for his father to be a scientist. It would make a great story for the scientist father to have a dumb son that loves to eat and fight.
Nah but you do you👍👍👍
Also bardock was kinda smart Ngl
Hearing him say Radical was funny asf 😂
Props to Brian Drummond for voicing vegeta in the ocean dub, those lines were so stupid but he found a way to make them sound cool
They should have made Bardock a scientist tbh, and that through his vast knowledge and brilliance he was able to keep up with high class warriors despite his lower power level.
Thank’s for the likes and cool replies guys 👍
I prefer father of gokus version because it presents him as an average saiyan warrior, he wasnt a good guy, he wasn’t really exceptional in any way, but he had something to fight for and kept fighting till the very end despite being severely outmatched and having no one on his side.
I mean, didn't Bardock come close to if not equal King Vegeta's power? Scouters had them both at liek 10k
@@kaeljadondavis2779 bardock was 10k a d king vegeta was 11k
@@kaeljadondavis2779 yeah, but unfortunately that was only stated in the Father of Goku anime special, which is considered non-canon. There was never any mention in the manga about his power level, or it being that high
@@-carpet- if it makes you feel any better the final part where bardock confronts frieza can be considered canon
Dont diss that moment it was god tier
Best Vegeta voice.
I would assume that he wasn't referring to him as an actual scientist, but instead was just complementing how smart Bardock was to create an artificial moon
God that voice acting is FUCKING elite. I ADORE the current Vegeta VA, but the Oceans Dub is *chef’s kiss*.
Voice acting so good, it’ll send you TO THE NEXT DIMENSION!!!!
Nah
Holy shit Vegeta's ears were huuuugggee
Im pretty sure creating fire would make the Sayains thinks that someone was a Scientist.
Brian Drummond's Voice Is Always Hilarious To Hear.
If a monkey can tie a rock to a stick and make a tool, they're the Nikola Tesla of their race.
it's actually dope minus the siencetist part he could of actually done that
It may have been a dumb change, but as usual, Brian Drummond delivered the line with flying colors
Even if it was quite dumb it's so iconic, I love it, it makes me smile everytime
Man was Vegetas original voice terrible
I like how they brought this voice back for Copy Vegeta in Super but yeah I don't really like it for normal Vegeta
“You know Kakarot, your father was a brilliant scientist, but a terrible video editor.”
"Your father was an average fighter"
His pl of 10k:
I like to think bardock a father made him a scientist but then he said screw you dad and became a fighter
They could've gotten away with it if instead of scientist, they just say "brilliant saiyan"
TBH it would have made more sense to say he was a brilliant strategist, coming-up with a blutz-wave generating move on the spot, is amazing for a normal Saiyan.
I do like the thought of a Saiyan scientist inventing new ways to inspire terror and bring devastation to their enemies.
"You call that cruelty? Let me show you how to truely make someone suffer."
Honestly I could see Vegeta saying that to Goku just to say “Your dad can’t fight but he was a great helper”
Oh my god the voice actor for Vegeta is sooooo talented! Listen to how melodic his voice is.
Ocean dub was crazy and I miss it everyday.
Well in saiyan knowledge terms he would probably be considered a scientist with his big brain moves
I like bardock being a scientist cuz it shows that the saiyans are like everyone else
Vegeta still has friezas voice thats all i was thinking bout
Suddenly TFS making fun of Bardock being a scientist makes sense
It may have been made up, but I recall reading in an issue of Beckett's Dragon Ball Z Magazine that the dub's writers openly admitted to simply not expecting to go far enough into the material to deal with Bardock.
I can believe Bardock making the technique during training but not with science
That’s exactly why I love the Ocean Dub plus the fact that Goku and Miroku share and shared the same voice actor Rip Kirby Morrow 😔
Vegeta:- your father was a scientist 🫡
Goku:- and your father was a play boy 😂🤣✌️
It's like watching a whole different show with alternate lore.
I am glad this Dub is null and void but I LOVE how they just blasted so much of their own original lore into this moment.
That line has been in the back of my head for decades. It never made sense. Thanks for straightening it out!
Maybe he became a scientist in THE NEXT DIMENSION
These were Ocean water dubs and this was before Funimations.
At the time, it wasn't necessary to follow the manga completely, this was a licensed product for American TV.
It wasn't until Funimations took over and re casted the voices and script to what we know now.
still one of the best dubs
i kinda wish toriyama actually made him into a scientist in dbs
The music still set the mood better than any other dub
Vegeta: "The scientist?"
Paragus: "The very same."
Toriyama is changing the story every day. Eventually this will be canon
"You're like a brilliant scientist."
"Well I am working on this fake moon thing."
"Your father was a brilliant scientist, but a horrible video editor"
Nobody talks about the Radical Weaponry
*Monke make ball of light in the sky*
Vegeta: SCIENTIST
I remember this as a kid, I also remember Yamcha saying "spirit bomb" instead of "spirit ball" at some point before he got killed lol
So that's where the joke came from? No wonder I've been hearing that line in TFS
And yet Brian Drummond's delivery is so good that you still believe it when he says it. He could be saying Chicken Pot Pie for all I care.
Bro said radical. That’s how I know this from the 90s
I think it’s better than the explanation being “They can just do that”
Yet the still the best English voice actor for Vegeta.
He said it to say that bardock invented that technique like how a scientific is always finding a new way to manipulate components into one new thing
Goku: “Hey, remember that one time you said my dad was a scientist?”
Vegeta: “What?! Ohhh, heh, yea I was just fucking with you….”
The voice acting is still great in this scene
Vegeta actin like a gremlin rn
“I have been working on this Fake Moon thing.”
OK, maybe calling him a scientist was dumb but Bardock inventing the fake moon is pretty dope actually
“Bardock? The scientist?”
Goku: My father?
At this moment Goku knew…he wasn’t canon
It feels good to be recognized by Prince Vegeta
I like it outside of the scientist part,
Its a cool idea that bardock is the one to teach a cheat code to the ape form.
Vegeta: it was revealed to me in a dream