that wall is like paper... the problem as the explosion the plane landed on its engines and belly, damaging them, creating sparks fuel got leaking and boom if there was not fuel or... if planes could detach the engines... this whould've not happen the landing was good, at some point, the plane whould've stopped the wall did nothing at worst... the plane whould've flipped over and some people whould've been hurt but... the explosion killed them all days ago, people crashed because russia shoot down another plane, the pilots used the fuel and tried to land... they crashed, bad and people survived because the explosion was not too big at the end of the day... the explosion killed everyone
"In a very convenient moment, a plane crash occurred. Just today, the President of South Korea was supposed to appear in court for nearly imposing martial law in the country, and on the very same day, such a horrific disaster happened. Now, instead of going to court, he has a reason not to show up there-to address the nation with crocodile tears, pretending to sympathize with the grief of those who lost loved ones. Poor birds-how much longer will they keep blaming everything on them?"
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For me as a former Aircraft Engineer, it is almost impossible that a landing gear does not jump out of its compartment. Landing gears are secured 3 to 4 times to come out, namely: hydraulic , electric , pneumatic (pressure cylinders) and with a hand-operated pump that is also hydraulic. Only when everything is done, a light (indicator) goes on that everything is OK. Now that I read this, it is a mystery to me how this could have happened.
Possible that the pilots were unable to carry out the landing checklist and possibly neglected to lower the gear. Maybe they were so concerned with everything happening and when the engine caught fire they just forgot. Seems unlikely, but I can’t see why gear wouldn’t be lowered. Whatever happened, it’s very sad.
This looks like a gigantic pilot error. No landing gear, no flaps, no speed break, right engine reverser is deployed left one isnt but we have seen from another video the right engine was producing fireballs dont know if its double engine failure or lethal mistake of accidental shutdown of working engine instead, there have been incidents where this occured killing lots of people.
A few days ago, our country faced this tragedy. While the pain in my heart has not yet eased, the accident in Korea deeply shook me even further. Rest in peace, may their soul find peace. 😢 🙏🏻 🇦🇿🇰🇷
It was not a wall. It was a solid concrete foundation for the localizer, which are aviation instruments , which do not require that type of fortification. This was poor airport design.. It was not a perimeter wall that they hit. It was a solid concrete structure.
Even if the bird strike caused the starboard engine to malfunction, the plane’s landing gear was retracted and that makes no sense. It can be manually lowered by the pilots so why wasn’t it? The pilots appeared to have lined the aircraft up with the runway but no flaps extended hence the speed. As for a concrete barrier at the end of the runway, I have no words 😭
No hydraulics means no flaps. And if they were on final when the hydraulics failed, they would have had no time to manual lower the gear - that takes several minutes. Even a gravity drop takes a minute or so, if it works. Apparently the runway was unidirectional only and they were landing against the use direction. Simply put, planes were not supposed t land in the direction this plane did, so the wall was not improper. This is not a major airport, so it is possible they still had a restricted runway.
landing gear was retracted, but the pilot decide to go round due to engine failure, so, but the engine lost the power and suddenly pilot decide to belly landing
Landing gear can be manually lowered. The Pilot’s didn’t lower them. The investigation will hone in on Pilot error from what it looks like on the onset.
You think a Pilot that has flown a plethora of times didnt try to lower the landing gear??? You arent even apart of the investigation!!! You know nothing but random media…
@@bongoybongoy3267 there is an electronic emergency release mechanism for that, rather than the hydraulic one that is normally used. Of course, it is "one time use", meaning if you release the landing gear with electronic mechanism, the landing gear cannot be retracted until hydraulic system is fixed.
Birds do not prevent the landing gear from extending, not having engines does not prevent the landing gear from extending. Birds do not destroy the hydraulic lines (which are double and run through separate parts of the hull). NOT having engines does not prevent the APU from extending. NOT having engines or hitting birds does not prevent the flaps from being set. It is 90% pilot error
Hypothesis: the bird break the blade (cause by microfracture on the blade due to very long period of flight) then blade cut through hydralic causing lose control for the pilot...
depends on how the engines react on the birdstrike.....they should not but can fail catastrophically which can damage hydraulics (but usually not both systems). There is however a backup for the gear deploy that doesn't need hydraulics
@@CrasusC the plane came from BKK so it was not taking off. how about you inform yourself before posting bs? Also, manual gear deploy works without any hydraulics and in seconds.
bird strike cause explosion of the right engine which may damage the hydraulic system or/and the signal system as a result the landing gear can't deploy , it's not unusual .
Wrong. The aircraft struck the antenna tower, it never struck the concrete barrier. But it would have struck the barrier anyways so maybe you are right. Even so, it's a relatively small runway, and it could not in any way handle a belly landing with or without barrier.
Ah yes, so it could plough through one of the many hotels with thousands of people inside behind said barrier. They were landing in the wrong direction anyways.
@@NoodleIDK13 There is no "wrong way" of this runway as it is bidirectional. It has a designation associated with it (runway 19). Which side is used at any given time depends on air traffic control depending on traffic, wind direction, etc.
Anyone that says this is because of a bird strike, case closed is either: 1. A complete idiot 2. Lying through their teeth. Edit: for anyone who has trouble with English. Saying a single thing caused this is clearly ludicrous. It’s almost certainly a long list of contributing factors.
Well, the bird strike seems to have induced a panic or a loss of control that meant they just came down ... out of control, breaking all the rules, at the airport. They seem to have the nose at a very good pitch up for the no landing gear landing, so it seems they had control enough for turning, flying straight and level, and pitching the nose up too. Why didn't they realise they were too far going to touch down too from the start of the runway, and going to fast even if they got the start of the runway, and that they didn't even have landing gear down , which requires the slowest ground speed, so why didn't they continue on straight forward, even if they were a glider, they could reach the sea, or a nice bit of field or empty road, and thus have a place to put down that was infinitely long, flat , uninhabited, unobstructed, water would be a good spot without landing gear, and so they could delay going down until their ground speed was ..safer....
I am waiting for the brilliant CNA reporter to provide further clarity now that she got herself all twisted by an sms sent from a passenger iso actual investigated facts from the Korean Airport Authorities
With due respect to the reporter, just say “it’s an absolute tragedy and out of respect for the death and their loved ones, we do not yet know what caused this accident and when we have official credible information we will let you know”.
A normal aircraft has three separate hydraulic systems for redundancy, two from the engines and one from the back-up electric pump. And also, if the landing gear does not deploy by the move of a lever, it can be lowered manually. So, a bird strike alone is nearly impossible for downing an aircraft. It must been an accumulation of faults at the same time.
I think this was a hydraulics failure because the flaps and slats were not down, the strange part is that the gravity gear extension can be used without hydraulics edit: I heard a birdstrike in one of the engines caused a hydraulics failure and toxic fumes started filling the cockpit so the pilot just wanted to get the plane down
Exactly what I was thinking, he wasn't even close to configured for landing but yet still tried to land he was using reverse thrust and everything. The gravity gear extension lever is fully mechanical it has nothing to do with hydraulics or even electrical systems so I'm curious about why the landing gear wasn't down.
Engine 2 was still running and engine 2 hydraulics was supposed to lower down flaps and slats which didnt lower, there was manual gear deployment system aswell which they did not follow were the pilots even trained?
Did they really just shout the name of the dead at the airport? Wouldn't they take them to a more private place to give such a terrible news to the families?
Birds or no birds..not the main Q. Why put a solid concrete wall at the end of a runway in the first place? On the map you can see a green field behind the runway…
OMG! Deepest condolences to the families & friends of the departed ... A longer runway without a wall at the end would have save the stricken plane & lives from slamming into a hard barrier ... 🙏🕯🌼🌿
@ saw the video, watched it glide on runway is scary 😟😢 if only the landing gear was lowered and locked. Unsure if the bird hit cause a hydraulic fault to lower the landing gears.
@@thomasafb Just watching a video of a former Boeing 737 pilot saying there is a mechanical backup system to deploy wheels. If they had some steering they could have gone left of that horrible concrete wall into the rice fields.
It looks to be more of systems malfunction for brakes not to be applied, and also failure of landing gear and flaps to be extended. Hence, the plane was moving at very high speeds on the runway. The impact of collision into the wall caused the explosion.
If there isn't a wall at the end of the runway. The crash could be not so serious. We have seen airplanes run over the runaway and crashed but the impact wasn't so harsh like this one. So all airports in the world should learn from this tragedy. Remove all solid walls at the end of the runway and leave clear.
1 Azerbaijan plane was shot down by Russia, 1 plane crashed during landing in South Korea, 1 plane in Canada skid off during landing in Halifax caught fire.. boy oh boy
ya hor , most alerts will have time to activate, been on salvage duty before and we are always waiting for the distress a/c at the runway before they land.
Looking up: localizer building standards, it seems this antenna installation contributed to the amount of deaths. Mounts - The antenna system should be installed on frangible mounts or beyond the 1000′ light bar. PS - Frangible means something is easily broken or breakable.
While I know we don't yet understand everything, this is good, honest, unvarnished reporting, not holding anything back. Yes, it's hard to hear, but it's the unhappy reality. - Sending condolences to the families; we cry along with you. :-(
They aborted the first landing, likely raised the gear and it wouldn't go back down on second attempt. Reports say the cabin was filling with thick smoke from the damaged right engine.
After the pilots knew the landing gears are not working - why they didn't thought of landing the plane by gliding on the sea coastal water? Water offers lot of resistance to gradually bring the plane to a halt, floats it, and water splashed wet on it during gliding deters possible fire to happen. Fatal casualty and plane damage would be minimal, right?
You can still drop the landing gear by hand inside the cockpit , the strangest thing is the nose landing gear flaps wasn't even down ,so they never even tried to deploy the landing gear
Worst air crash reporter ever. honestly who thought it would be a good idea to put this person on, they clearly have zero idea how to talk about a fatal air crash, or any air crash, or anything.
In addition to a video showing an explosion in the right engine similar to how bird strikes look, the surviving flight attendant confirmed suspected bird strike and passenger text messages also confirmed a load noise and a “ bird stuck on the wing “ whatever that means. But the real issue is how the pilots reacted to the bird strike and that damn barrier
Honestly I am scared to fly now and will cancel all my overseas holiday and will travel to Malaysia and Batam for vacation cos safe travelling by land there
You would need to fly every day for more than 10,000 years to be in a fatal plane crash. On the other hand, the chances of dying in a car collision are about 1 in 101
in my assumption that plane is going to GO AROUND and the engine is already failed. thats why we see there is no flaps and landing gear. but the concrete wall at the end of runway ?? this is an airport or a fortres ???
I read an interview with the father of one of the victims. He said that the pilot can belly land it in water for softer blows and I agree. It's like what the pilot in Hudson River plane crash did to save his passengers and crew. RIP to all the victims
I can understand why they would need to perform an emergency landing if there was an issue with the engines if something happened due to the birds, but why in the world would the landing gear be up? Mistake from the pilots, hydraulic issue? Hopefully that will be answered soon because a flock of birds does not disengage the landing gear.
Local International Airport's runway is 1km shorter than Gimpo Airport and Jeju Airport, it is impossible to cope with unexpected variables such as fuselage landing
@___Danny___ NO HUMAN ERROR!! BOEING IS NOT SAFE EMPLOYEES WERE KILLED BE CAUSE BOEING DID NOT WHAT THERE SECRET OUT!! DO YOUR RESERCH ON BOEING!! THEY ARE BEING SUED FOR THIS!!😵
they just covering it for bird strikes issues which is the stupidest reason they could give... the pilot might really forgot to use the landing gear... imagine those families of the passengers having New Year with unimaginable pain seeing their loved ones died... R.I.P to the souls of those who died on that plane crash...
"Birds" is not a sufficient explanation for this accident. It is easy to imagine that a bird-strike might cause an engine failure/fire. But this aircraft landed safely with the wing flaps and landing gear retracted. That part is harder to understand. Due (apparently) to the high speed of landing without wing flaps the aircraft slid so far as to hit a concrete wall that should NEVER have been there. That was a violation of airport standards (ICAO)... Many things yet to discover. So sad. Condolences.
One of the most sensible and detailed reporting in the media about this news. If that is the case, then it looks like the crew panicked and made mistakes thereby converting a manageable emergency into a disaster. Such aircraft are perfectly able to fly on one engine. Did they forget to configure the plane and deploy the landing gear the second time around because they thought they had done that but forgot they retracted it during the go-around? The footage shows the wings were not extended and speed breaks were not deployed in addition to landing gear not being deployed.
That ratio varies wildly depending on the country and its aviation safety culture. SK has a poor record with a disproportionate number of major pilot error crashes relative to the amount of flights they have. Korean Air the main national flag carrier seems to be the only one there that has massively improved its safety and training culture. Last decade there was the Asiana crash on landing at San Francisco and in the 90s there were lots of major crashes there. Aviation safety has come a long way since the 90s which was the peak as far as fairly frequent airliner crashes worldwide including in the US.
A bird hitting the engine does not prevent deployment of landing gear. It also isn't a reason why this runway had a goddamn wall at the end of it.
it's not a wall but an embankment with antennas like at a large number of other airports
A new wall, why?
that wall is like paper...
the problem as the explosion
the plane landed on its engines and belly, damaging them, creating sparks
fuel got leaking and boom
if there was not fuel or... if planes could detach the engines... this whould've not happen
the landing was good, at some point, the plane whould've stopped
the wall did nothing
at worst... the plane whould've flipped over and some people whould've been hurt
but... the explosion killed them all
days ago, people crashed because russia shoot down another plane, the pilots used the fuel and tried to land... they crashed, bad and people survived
because the explosion was not too big
at the end of the day... the explosion killed everyone
@@MJRegul It was a concreate wall
If you are such an expert why didn’t you give advice before the tragedy?
Its sad to imagine that most of these people are coming back from vacation just to die the next day.
Hahahaha
"In a very convenient moment, a plane crash occurred. Just today, the President of South Korea was supposed to appear in court for nearly imposing martial law in the country, and on the very same day, such a horrific disaster happened. Now, instead of going to court, he has a reason not to show up there-to address the nation with crocodile tears, pretending to sympathize with the grief of those who lost loved ones. Poor birds-how much longer will they keep blaming everything on them?"
Amos 3:6
“Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?”
Deuteronomy 32:39
“See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.”
Job 4:7
“Remember, I pray thee, who ever perished, being innocent? or where were the righteous cut off?”
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@@veryonlineman you okay?
well at least they got to enjoy their vacations even if it was their last, it would had sucked way more if it happened when they landed at bangkok..
Feel so sorry for the victims.. cannot imagine their sheer terror in their last moments. Deepest condolences to their families...
For me as a former Aircraft Engineer, it is almost impossible that a landing gear does not jump out of its compartment. Landing gears are secured 3 to 4 times to come out, namely: hydraulic , electric , pneumatic (pressure cylinders) and with a hand-operated pump that is also hydraulic. Only when everything is done, a light (indicator) goes on that everything is OK.
Now that I read this, it is a mystery to me how this could have happened.
Sir could it be possible if the landing gear has failed, is it safer when he let the plane loose its gas before safe landing?
Possible that the pilots were unable to carry out the landing checklist and possibly neglected to lower the gear. Maybe they were so concerned with everything happening and when the engine caught fire they just forgot. Seems unlikely, but I can’t see why gear wouldn’t be lowered. Whatever happened, it’s very sad.
Not telling the truth!
Im sure you are correct but we all have seen many belly landings over the years
This looks like a gigantic pilot error. No landing gear, no flaps, no speed break, right engine reverser is deployed left one isnt but we have seen from another video the right engine was producing fireballs dont know if its double engine failure or lethal mistake of accidental shutdown of working engine instead, there have been incidents where this occured killing lots of people.
Who builds the Localiser antenna onto a solid concrete wall. The plane had no chance after hitting that. This should not have happened.
South Koreans do, apparently.
Yep, someone has some explaining to do
Well you not suppose to land on that direction, and land at the end of the runway that fast..
A few days ago, our country faced this tragedy. While the pain in my heart has not yet eased, the accident in Korea deeply shook me even further. Rest in peace, may their soul find peace. 😢 🙏🏻 🇦🇿🇰🇷
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Having a wall around the airport makes sense, but a wall directly after a runway ends just makes zero sense
Do we know what's on the other side of the barrier??
It was not a wall. It was a solid concrete foundation for the localizer, which are aviation instruments , which do not require that type of fortification. This was poor airport design.. It was not a perimeter wall that they hit. It was a solid concrete structure.
We know.. it's just open fields on the other side of barrier
@@srzarz3017 Having FENCE around a runway makes sense. NOT a concrere wall.
It’s makes no sense 🥺💔😭
Even if the bird strike caused the starboard engine to malfunction, the plane’s landing gear was retracted and that makes no sense. It can be manually lowered by the pilots so why wasn’t it? The pilots appeared to have lined the aircraft up with the runway but no flaps extended hence the speed. As for a concrete barrier at the end of the runway, I have no words 😭
Split seconds?
No hydraulics means no flaps. And if they were on final when the hydraulics failed, they would have had no time to manual lower the gear - that takes several minutes. Even a gravity drop takes a minute or so, if it works.
Apparently the runway was unidirectional only and they were landing against the use direction. Simply put, planes were not supposed t land in the direction this plane did, so the wall was not improper. This is not a major airport, so it is possible they still had a restricted runway.
landing gear was retracted, but the pilot decide to go round due to engine failure, so, but the engine lost the power and suddenly pilot decide to belly landing
@Lottie.Bronte321 Pilot error and a bird. We still don't know the reason.
basically they could've survived the landing if it weren't for the pilots negligence💔
Rest in peace for the deceased, and may God comfort their families.
Landing gear can be manually lowered. The Pilot’s didn’t lower them. The investigation will hone in on Pilot error from what it looks like on the onset.
pls educate me.. how to retract (lower) landing gear manually on flight
What is a bird strike got to do with not lowering of the landing gear. Are they trying hide a malfunction?
You think a Pilot that has flown a plethora of times didnt try to lower the landing gear??? You arent even apart of the investigation!!! You know nothing but random media…
@@bongoybongoy3267 there is an electronic emergency release mechanism for that, rather than the hydraulic one that is normally used.
Of course, it is "one time use", meaning if you release the landing gear with electronic mechanism, the landing gear cannot be retracted until hydraulic system is fixed.
@@bongoybongoy3267 maybe do some research
It is so scary seeing an air plane hit the wall at almost full speed.
not close to full speed
What a stupid headline. They have no idea. Even a bird strike let's you lower the landing gear manually. So much more to it.
And I assume you're the expert?
@skz3792 no but I didn't post the stupid headline "how did it happen" only hours after the incident. Just clickbait and pathetic reporting
koreans always have an answer for everything.
As a renowned bird expert, I concur.
Birds do not prevent the landing gear from extending, not having engines does not prevent the landing gear from extending. Birds do not destroy the hydraulic lines (which are double and run through separate parts of the hull). NOT having engines does not prevent the APU from extending. NOT having engines or hitting birds does not prevent the flaps from being set.
It is 90% pilot error
They could have landed in the water near a beach
100% pilot error. It's SK they have an abysmal safety record.
@ suddenly everyone is a pilot expert.
They said the engine caught fire, maybe that damaged the hydraulic system? Who knows
Hydraulics
Thick concrete barrier for what
Probly a city at the end
@@holymelon8011 just farmland i think
@@holymelon8011 there isn't
Antenna , then a concrete wall
There's another POV indicating a highway
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How did a bird cut the hydraulics??
This bird factor is not adding up!!
Hypothesis: the bird break the blade (cause by microfracture on the blade due to very long period of flight) then blade cut through hydralic causing lose control for the pilot...
depends on how the engines react on the birdstrike.....they should not but can fail catastrophically which can damage hydraulics (but usually not both systems). There is however a backup for the gear deploy that doesn't need hydraulics
@@teddycat1212 the landing gear doesn't need hydraulics to be deployed
A bird strike damages landing gear so the landing gear can't deploy? this is going to be some explanation...
As US allies... They can't just say the Boeing 737 has faulty landing gear right?
It’s about pressure in the landing gear hydraulic system, which could be damaged by bird strike
@@CrasusC the plane came from BKK so it was not taking off. how about you inform yourself before posting bs? Also, manual gear deploy works without any hydraulics and in seconds.
Not just the hydraulics system for the landing gear but the electronic system for the spoilers and flaps too
bird strike cause explosion of the right engine which may damage the hydraulic system or/and the signal system as a result the landing gear can't deploy , it's not unusual .
there could've been a slight chance for only moderate injuries and damages made if there had been no barrier
Nice job hindsight andy
What's on the other side of the barrier??
Wrong. The aircraft struck the antenna tower, it never struck the concrete barrier. But it would have struck the barrier anyways so maybe you are right. Even so, it's a relatively small runway, and it could not in any way handle a belly landing with or without barrier.
Ah yes, so it could plough through one of the many hotels with thousands of people inside behind said barrier. They were landing in the wrong direction anyways.
@@lophyquijano7983not true at all
The concrete wall is totally not necessary. The damage could be lesser if it’s not there
*The hotel buildings behind said barrier*
@@NoodleIDK13 should not be hotel or anything else there
'Not necessary' is a mild statement because this is downright stupid and dangerous.
@johnanderson9494 Planes aren't meant to land in that direction on the runway in question. The plane that crashed was landing THE WRONG WAY
@@NoodleIDK13 There is no "wrong way" of this runway as it is bidirectional. It has a designation associated with it (runway 19). Which side is used at any given time depends on air traffic control depending on traffic, wind direction, etc.
Why is the wall there
To stop plane.
Wrong. The concrete wall is at the start of runway instead of end. Airplane land in the wrong direction.
if there was no wall most of these passengers would be alive...😭
It was the localizer antenna, not the wall
Condolences from Jamaica 🇯🇲 to all these that are affected with loss of life.
Anyone that says this is because of a bird strike, case closed is either:
1. A complete idiot
2. Lying through their teeth.
Edit: for anyone who has trouble with English. Saying a single thing caused this is clearly ludicrous. It’s almost certainly a long list of contributing factors.
Never before have 'birds' been so deadly to aircraft. What next? MH370 caused by birdstrike??
The pilot was too reliant on Autopilot for emergency landing. Remember Air France Airbus from Manaus, Brasil to Paris?
You are an alleged aviation expert! Hahahahaha
Well, the bird strike seems to have induced a panic or a loss of control that meant they just came down ... out of control, breaking all the rules, at the airport. They seem to have the nose at a very good pitch up for the no landing gear landing, so it seems they had control enough for turning, flying straight and level, and pitching the nose up too. Why didn't they realise they were too far going to touch down too from the start of the runway, and going to fast even if they got the start of the runway, and that they didn't even have landing gear down , which requires the slowest ground speed, so why didn't they continue on straight forward, even if they were a glider, they could reach the sea, or a nice bit of field or empty road, and thus have a place to put down that was infinitely long, flat , uninhabited, unobstructed, water would be a good spot without landing gear, and so they could delay going down until their ground speed was ..safer....
We should let an official investigation take place by professionals investigating before jumping to conclusions.
This is so tragic & heartbreaking, hope that the departed rest in peace. 😢
But how the bird strikes can caused landing gear failure??
I am waiting for the brilliant CNA reporter to provide further clarity now that she got herself all twisted by an sms sent from a passenger iso actual investigated facts from the Korean Airport Authorities
It's Boeing obvious trying to find ways out and make it pilot or nature's fault
probably hydraulic and circuits?
It can if the hydraulics fail, but landing gear can be manually deployed.
Maybe the pilots just freaked out and handled the whole thing badly.
With due respect to the reporter, just say “it’s an absolute tragedy and out of respect for the death and their loved ones, we do not yet know what caused this accident and when we have official credible information we will let you know”.
Well shes a reporter, working for a news agency. Do you think she gets word at what she has to say?
@Johnwashere-dt2ov
Somewhat immature reporter, and, it's CNN, the network with 14 viewers. So why should anyone expect more?
What do you honestly expect, that's the standard of "journalism" today.
@@splashmoby I expect factual journalism.
@@indefinite_rogue8668 time for a change.
A normal aircraft has three separate hydraulic systems for redundancy, two from the engines and one from the back-up electric pump. And also, if the landing gear does not deploy by the move of a lever, it can be lowered manually. So, a bird strike alone is nearly impossible for downing an aircraft. It must been an accumulation of faults at the same time.
doesn't make sense bird strike in one engine ends in a overspeed wheels up landing
Yeah has to be stupid and panicked crew
@SlickBlackCadillac needed a sully
I think this was a hydraulics failure because the flaps and slats were not down, the strange part is that the gravity gear extension can be used without hydraulics
edit: I heard a birdstrike in one of the engines caused a hydraulics failure and toxic fumes started filling the cockpit so the pilot just wanted to get the plane down
There are 2 backup hydraulic systems that are independent of each other. Explain that?
Exactly what I was thinking, he wasn't even close to configured for landing but yet still tried to land he was using reverse thrust and everything. The gravity gear extension lever is fully mechanical it has nothing to do with hydraulics or even electrical systems so I'm curious about why the landing gear wasn't down.
@Pot4to1 Manual take time to let the gear drop , they don’t have it? Just too many possibilities.
Engine 2 was still running and engine 2 hydraulics was supposed to lower down flaps and slats which didnt lower, there was manual gear deployment system aswell which they did not follow were the pilots even trained?
@Pot4to1 Could it be they are trying to do a last minute go around ?
wall heavy construction may be a mistake. Plane had landed in one piece, but the wall ended. So sad.
My sincere and deepest sympathy to the families of this tragic situation.......RIP to the victims.....🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️
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My prayers are with all the families and loved ones of the victims of this tragic crash. 😢
Bird strikes alone don't cause this, so 95% it's the pilot's fault as always.
@RantingYogi they likely tried to go around when they realised they would hit the end of the runway
@RantingYogi I see you have access to black box data before everyone else. Must be a perk of juggling?
@RantingYogi so Boeing or Jeju maintenance's fault?
Smoke was filling the cabin and they had control failure, no time to manually drop the wheels.
You didnt see the wall?It didnt belong there. Build that thick in a first place.The wall killed them.They would have made it otherwise.
Pray for all victim, RIP
How will that help?
Seems like hitting the concrete wall killed the passengers.
Whoever put it up needs to be investigated.
Maybe arrested!
Will the Victims' Families have Grounds for a Class Action Suit?
@@ronbo332 Probably not because there are some houses in the distance.
It's probably been there for years with no problem. Things happen, not everything requires someone to be arrested.
A bird strike wouldnt cause the gear not to come down. Useless reporting
Deepest condolences to friends and family of the passengers and crew of the flight
Stopping accusing the birds.
Prayers and condolences to the families of those lost or hurt in the crash
My condolences to the Koreans' victims and loved ones. From Italy
Can't imagine the pain the people went through in the place 💔 😪 am so sorry 🤲🤲
Did they really just shout the name of the dead at the airport? Wouldn't they take them to a more private place to give such a terrible news to the families?
So sad! I can't even imagine their last thoughts. My heart and prayers to the families.
Birds or no birds..not the main Q. Why put a solid concrete wall at the end of a runway in the first place? On the map you can see a green field behind the runway…
OMG! Deepest condolences to the families & friends of the departed ... A longer runway without a wall at the end would have save the stricken plane & lives from slamming into a hard barrier ... 🙏🕯🌼🌿
Sad day 😢 somehow plane not able to lower landing gears / wheels?
there is 'manual' pulling trigger inside the floor of cockpit , strange they did not use it
@ saw the video, watched it glide on runway is scary 😟😢 if only the landing gear was lowered and locked. Unsure if the bird hit cause a hydraulic fault to lower the landing gears.
@@rickgifford-lp3kn the pilots would've done because they are trained to. There still isnt an exact reason why.
The last messages felt like a huge punch to my heart. My deepest condolences. May they rest in peace.
Not a bird hit. The landing gear wasnt even down.
Prayers for those who died and casualties
How would a bird strike cause landing gear not to descend?
it wouldn't - it's a chain of events that killed them. The bird may have been one link in that chain
@@thomasafb Just watching a video of a former Boeing 737 pilot saying there is a mechanical backup system to deploy wheels. If they had some steering they could have gone left of that horrible concrete wall into the rice fields.
Maybe the pilots panicked and forgot to lower it
Exactly even if somehow it damaged that part of the hydraulic you can still lower it mechanically
Exactly even if somehow it damaged that part of the hydraulic you can still lower it mechanically
It looks to be more of systems malfunction for brakes not to be applied, and also failure of landing gear and flaps to be extended. Hence, the plane was moving at very high speeds on the runway. The impact of collision into the wall caused the explosion.
Wheels up, no trailing flaps or leading edge slats deployed, no spoilers deployed. Must’ve been one of those giant landing gear eating birds.
If there isn't a wall at the end of the runway. The crash could be not so serious. We have seen airplanes run over the runaway and crashed but the impact wasn't so harsh like this one.
So all airports in the world should learn from this tragedy. Remove all solid walls at the end of the runway and leave clear.
Bird strike? His gear wasn't down...
perhaps didn't have time left. also it's a Boeing 737, so there's a chance of technical failures lol
he could have went around and put the gear up at TO/GA, and then the hydraulics failed
Oh my goodness 😢this is heartbreaking 💔 my condolences to the families of those killed in the tragic crash
Blame the birds? Blame the wall?
Wall
Wall
1 Azerbaijan plane was shot down by Russia, 1 plane crashed during landing in South Korea, 1 plane in Canada skid off during landing in Halifax caught fire.. boy oh boy
A KLM plane too, last Saturday. Skidded off runway due to hydraulic failure. Same 737-800 model.
Why no emergency vehicles deployed... they knew an emergency landing was coming in?
ya hor , most alerts will have time to activate, been on salvage duty before and we are always waiting for the distress a/c at the runway before they land.
Looking up: localizer building standards, it seems this antenna installation contributed to the amount of deaths.
Mounts - The antenna system should be installed on frangible mounts or beyond the 1000′ light bar.
PS - Frangible means something is easily broken or breakable.
Yep and should be on a slab that is flush with the ground, this one was on a raised thick foundation....ridiculous design.
While I know we don't yet understand everything, this is good, honest, unvarnished reporting, not holding anything back. Yes, it's hard to hear, but it's the unhappy reality. - Sending condolences to the families; we cry along with you. :-(
Birds strike at 200 meters. By 200 meters the gear should be down. Useless reporting
They aborted the first landing, likely raised the gear and it wouldn't go back down on second attempt. Reports say the cabin was filling with thick smoke from the damaged right engine.
Seems some intrigue there. Lots of made up stories. So now Birds are dangerous???
South Korea is really going through it this year
After the pilots knew the landing gears are not working - why they didn't thought of landing the plane by gliding on the sea coastal water?
Water offers lot of resistance to gradually bring the plane to a halt, floats it, and water splashed wet on it during gliding deters possible fire to happen. Fatal casualty and plane damage would be minimal, right?
You can still drop the landing gear by hand inside the cockpit , the strangest thing is the nose landing gear flaps wasn't even down ,so they never even tried to deploy the landing gear
Worst air crash reporter ever. honestly who thought it would be a good idea to put this person on, they clearly have zero idea how to talk about a fatal air crash, or any air crash, or anything.
But why a wall on the Runway?
If the engine failed can also the landing gear be affected?
2 major plaine crash in a week
And another in Halifax..Air Canada
@gft4285 good god
There's reports that the engine was on fire days before the Crash but it was ignored by the airline.
I very much doubt that
I'm sure they fly with a burnt out engine from days before....that is totally normal
RIP deceased passengers and condolences to the bereaved families
Issuing a bird alert and then receiving a distress call doesn't mean they had a bird strike
In addition to a video showing an explosion in the right engine similar to how bird strikes look, the surviving flight attendant confirmed suspected bird strike and passenger text messages also confirmed a load noise and a “ bird stuck on the wing “ whatever that means. But the real issue is how the pilots reacted to the bird strike and that damn barrier
I recall that the landing gears can deploy even without power. Due to its own weight.
Honestly I am scared to fly now and will cancel all my overseas holiday and will travel to Malaysia and Batam for vacation cos safe travelling by land there
You would need to fly every day for more than 10,000 years to be in a fatal plane crash. On the other hand, the chances of dying in a car collision are about 1 in 101
@RinkawaErion Rubbish
in my assumption that plane is going to GO AROUND and the engine is already failed. thats why we see there is no flaps and landing gear. but the concrete wall at the end of runway ?? this is an airport or a fortres ???
DEI engineers decided it was a good idea to put a concrete wall at the end of the runway.
I read an interview with the father of one of the victims. He said that the pilot can belly land it in water for softer blows and I agree. It's like what the pilot in Hudson River plane crash did to save his passengers and crew.
RIP to all the victims
Panic by the pilot caused this because he didn’t even put the landing gear down.
both pilot and co-pilot?
Blaming it on the birds is the very safe “insurance” excuse.
So sad 😭😭,
Here in Brazil we are praying for the families. Unacceptable this terrible accident.
It is ridiculous and impossible that birds could bring down a 737 aircraft??
Captain Sully A320?
condolence from indonesia, it is very sorrow for the family who lost their beloved one. God give the patience for them.
if it had of been an Airbus A320 instead of flying coffin B737, it would have made the landing
I can understand why they would need to perform an emergency landing if there was an issue with the engines if something happened due to the birds, but why in the world would the landing gear be up? Mistake from the pilots, hydraulic issue? Hopefully that will be answered soon because a flock of birds does not disengage the landing gear.
Blame animals for disaster...😢
Local International Airport's runway is 1km shorter than Gimpo Airport and Jeju Airport, it is impossible to cope with unexpected variables such as fuselage landing
Pilot error
agreed
Cant the put foams, Nettings or plant bushes that can slow down the plane at the end of Runway? Building a concrete Wall is Not A Good Idea.😮
It always seems to be a Boeing.
lol kinda sad but serious question - are there Otherairplane manufacturers?
Half of the airplane out there are boeing , what do you expect.
@mnm2156 yeah The Airbus is another plane manufacturer that hasnt had any major fatal crashes.
Why don't airports have landing places for issues like this? It's not like this is the first time it happened. Instead a concrete barrier at the end?
Birds IS NOT THE CAUSE BOEING IS NOT SAFE MANY MAULFUCTOIN!!!!!🤬 THE ENGINES NEVR THROTTLED DOWN!! BOEING IS TO BLAME!!!!!😵😬
A bit hysterical, saying this for a friend.
Most likely it’s human error.
@___Danny___ NO HUMAN ERROR!! BOEING IS NOT SAFE EMPLOYEES WERE KILLED BE CAUSE BOEING DID NOT WHAT THERE SECRET OUT!! DO YOUR RESERCH ON BOEING!! THEY ARE BEING SUED FOR THIS!!😵
they just covering it for bird strikes issues which is the stupidest reason they could give... the pilot might really forgot to use the landing gear... imagine those families of the passengers having New Year with unimaginable pain seeing their loved ones died... R.I.P to the souls of those who died on that plane crash...
Boeing 🇺🇲
Pilot
@djibicisse Jeedz pilot 🙏🏻
"Birds" is not a sufficient explanation for this accident. It is easy to imagine that a bird-strike might cause an engine failure/fire. But this aircraft landed safely with the wing flaps and landing gear retracted. That part is harder to understand. Due (apparently) to the high speed of landing without wing flaps the aircraft slid so far as to hit a concrete wall that should NEVER have been there. That was a violation of airport standards (ICAO)... Many things yet to discover. So sad. Condolences.
kolea pilot driving to fast and furious
What a stupid comment
Praying 🙏 for everyone. Those who have passed and those who may have survived,.And the families of all .😢🙏
Boeing did it again
What did Boeing do?
Ignorance is a choice. This has nothing to do with Boeing
Boeings endless accident caused by software and design isseus. Now who is ignorant and cant accept the facts?
One of the most sensible and detailed reporting in the media about this news.
If that is the case, then it looks like the crew panicked and made mistakes thereby converting a manageable emergency into a disaster. Such aircraft are perfectly able to fly on one engine. Did they forget to configure the plane and deploy the landing gear the second time around because they thought they had done that but forgot they retracted it during the go-around? The footage shows the wings were not extended and speed breaks were not deployed in addition to landing gear not being deployed.
What’s crazier and sad is just a few more days before new year . Prayers to the families .
My heart sank when the passenger sent the last message. 💔💔 I pray for the familys as they can hold through this tough time.😢😢😢
So whatever happened to the saying "there is 1 in a million chance of airplane crash
That ratio varies wildly depending on the country and its aviation safety culture. SK has a poor record with a disproportionate number of major pilot error crashes relative to the amount of flights they have. Korean Air the main national flag carrier seems to be the only one there that has massively improved its safety and training culture. Last decade there was the Asiana crash on landing at San Francisco and in the 90s there were lots of major crashes there. Aviation safety has come a long way since the 90s which was the peak as far as fairly frequent airliner crashes worldwide including in the US.